Open Thread: Spring Training Game 20
Esteban Loaiza tries to shake off the shoulder soreness he experienced the last time out to face the Padres and their ace Jake Peavy.
It might be time to look back and realize what we've learned so far during spring training:
- Yes, it's spring training, but Antonio Perez is showing that he wasn't nearly as bad as his inconsistent experiences last year showed. Dude is sporting an OPS over 1.000. Who knows how to take the stats since they've been accumulated during spring training in Arizona where the ball just jumps for guys, but I was a firm believer all last year that Perez is a good hitter who was just the kind of player who needed regular action to remain sharp. This is an interesting problem because Perez doesn't really have a way to get regular ABs unless he is traded or someone is injured. If Crosby comes back and proves he is healthy, then Perez is behind Scutaro as a back up. And Donnie Murphy is also proving that he might be a quality pickup by the A's. The team is definitely not lacking right now for options coming off the bench in the infield. The problem is that the only one that is the proven commodity who doesn't seem Ginterized if he isn't playing is Scutaro. And that's a valuable skill to have.
- We're going to find out really quickly if spring training stats mean something or not. If Joe Kennedy continues to get whacked like a pinata every time he takes the mound, the A's might feel desperate enough to make a move for someone else out there. The problem is that there aren't really options that are that much better for a fifth starter. The A's could use their remarkable depth in the bullpen to make a move for a quality starter, but don't count on it. I still think the front office thinks that Jason Windsor isn't very far away from being a contributor. But I still wouldn't be terribly surprised if the A's start out with Joe Kennedy as the sixth starter. Remember, Beane doesn't usually panic during spring training or even April. Course, it might be smarter to at least get other options ready just in case.
- Durazo just might wind up being the A's first baseman in 2007. And it isn't because of his patience. Dan Johnson brings that quality as well. It could be that the Grail is sporting a .516 slugging compared to DJ's .368 slugging. The A's need some power out of that first base position. As Beane often says these days, power is the great equalizer. And Durazo hasn't embarrassed himself playing the position. I would think that DJ would probably have more trade value as well and if Billy Beane wants to get some depth, DJ is young and cheap. Oh and Durazo is doing that rare stat anamoly this spring by having an average higher than OBP. That's a rare accomplishment that Billy Beane knows only a few have done (he was one of them).
- And yes, it is spring training, but Nick Swisher is once again doing his high OBP, high slugging, low average trend. I don't really care if he has a low batting average as long as his RISP gets a lot better. I felt like Geren was addressing Swisher in particular with his discussion with me about the young players who get overanxious. I'll be watching this closely this year.
- Haren and Harden...they make me feel really good about the A's chances this year. Loaiza, Blanton and fifth starter to be named later? Not so much. Look, I realize that pitching in Arizona can be the equivalent of pitching at Coors Field pre-humidor, so the guys with "ace" stuff can look really good because they miss bats. But the guys who don't necessarily through 95 or 99, they are going to have a tougher time. Plus there's the whole build arm strength during the first portion of the spring. But the A's rotation looks really great with the top two. Not so much from the rest. If Loaiza can be a good number three, then it doesn't matter as much because Blanton should be able to provide an adequate number four and the number five guy can be skipped when the schedule permits, so that isn't as damaging.
- Haren deserves to be the opening day starter. He's been healthy and a huge contributor to the A's success over the last two years. If he can cut down giving up the long ball this year, he could be one of the best pitchers in the majors especially since he added a cutter this offseason. Haren has so many pitches that he's just becoming a right-handed version of the starting pitcher he was traded for.
- Mike Piazza looks to be completely rejuvenated by being a DH. We'll see though. Maybe he'll find a lengthy second career without having the tools of ignorance strapped to him.
- I am really excited about Buck, Barton and Suzuki. I know that they're young and we probably won't see any of them until later this year, but I don't feel as down on the A's minor league system as I was. If the A's can have all three of these kids as a part of the team in 2008, it will be quite an influx of talent. Course that doesn't help the A's with their need for more starting pitchers.
Enjoy the game and Gettin' Ziggy with It. We're so close to the regular season, I can almost taste it.
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WOW ..
.. quite a good synopsis of the Spring results so far -- thanks! :)
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Esteban Loaiza:
Alias: Benzoate
Estonia Ablaze
A Satiable Zone
At Abalone Size
Into Sea Ablaze
Labia East Zone (!)
Obtain Sea Zeal
by Philip Christy on Mar 19, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
Benzoate, It heals what ails ya!
Alias: Benzoate
Makes high 80's stuff, feel like doing 120 on the 580
by Fort Knox Yellow on Mar 19, 2007 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's Go E-Lo !!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
K's the first batter sledge
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
ground rule double for green
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
walker flies out to Stewart in left
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Gonzales Ks to end the inning
by pickinmachine on Mar 19, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
K's the next batter, top of 1st over no score
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Now THAT's more like it !!!
.. we aren't FIVE runs down in the 1st, heh ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Facing jake peavy no picnic for the A's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:14 PM PDT reply actions
kendall grounds out 6-3
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
stewart grounds out ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradley with a ringing double!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
hit too hard and straight to get out of the yard
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Piazza K's no score for the A's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradley!!!
<hearts>
E-Lo pitches to Cameron ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
Cameron flies out to Stewart
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Next batter Russell Branyon
.. E-Lo looking good so far ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Branyon flies to Bradley, nice catch!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
To my knowledge Buan hasn't said ..
.. anything about velocity with E-Lo ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
next batter Pete La Forst {sp?} - Home Run!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
1-0 San Diego ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Laforest
by athleticscatcher on Mar 19, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
next guy got a hit but missed his name
.. and the next guy too .. C'Mon E-Lo
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowen and Shabala
by athleticscatcher on Mar 19, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Milton Bradley:
Liberty Almond
Lordly Ambient
Debit Normally
Bled Normality
Trim Beyond All
Tiny Amber Doll
Lit Blonde Army
And the best one:
Notably Milder!
Debit Normally?
I don't think so. But Notably Milder, certainly, judging by the recent profiles in the Chron and elsewhere.
Ball four, bases loaded for khalil greene {sp?}
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
greene flies out to Buck, nice catch!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
still 1-0 PADs after one and half frames
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanna keep Travis Buck!
for yourself or the team {grin}?
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
no worry he's only given up 1 run
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Robert Buan is doing the A's webcast
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Chavy K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
and Ellis K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
T-Buck a ringing double!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
Marco Scutaro - out at first
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Buck knocks a ringing double off the wall
Awww...Travis!
PADs still lead 1-0 after two frames
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:41 PM PDT reply actions
leadoff double by todd walker
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellis 4-3 putout on gonzalez, walker to 3rd
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
scutaro checks the runner at 3rd then ..
.. 6-3 putout at first ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and branyon flies out to Scut in shallow center
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
still 1-0 PADs going into bottom of 3rd frame
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Barton with leadoff walk
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
Kendall fouls out ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Shannon Stewart base hit, Barton to 3rd
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Milton Bradley k's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Piazza - fouls out to gonzalez
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Peavy is a stud
should have a bounce back year.
Welcome, I am only echoing Buan
.. I hope Buan is giving us accurate buancast .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Still 1-0 PADs after 3 full frames
.. padres coming to bat in fourth ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 1:58 PM PDT reply actions
Laforest with leadoff walk
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowen {sp?} flies out to Bradley
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Shabala grounds out to Ellis
.. runner advances to second ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sledge with infield single nope error
.. E3 on that ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Barton did not field cleanly thus the E3
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Greene line drive past Chavez
.. pads score now 2-0 ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Walker grounds out to Barton ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
PADs lead 2-0 going into middle of 4th frame
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:09 PM PDT reply actions
Eric Chavez K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Ellis K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis Buck pops up to shallow left
.. inning over ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Gettin' Ziggy With It'
Brad has sent word that he was called up to the A's game this afternoon. He's plans to post his column sometime after the game.
by captainbubblehead on Mar 19, 2007 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
PADs still lead 2-0 after 4 full frames
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
Adrian Gonzalez grounds out to D-Barton
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Cameron K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Russell Branyan {sp?} - K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
PADs lead 2-0 going into middle of 5th frame
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe yesterdays games
took the steam outta our guys?!
by curlichick on Mar 19, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We still have few chances / frames
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Scutaro walks
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Daric Barton grounds out to first
.. scutaro to second ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Kendall grounds out to short
.. scutaro advances to third ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Doug Brocail {sp?} in to pitch for PADs
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Shannon Stewart - walks
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Milton Bradley - K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
PADs still lead 2-0 after 5 full innings ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
first batter grounds out to Barton
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
ground rule double
.. Buan and Korach are chatting .. not as quality play by play ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
PADs score on an E4
.. rob bowen {sp?} soored ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Witasick coming on in relief ..
.. E-Lo hits the showers ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
Sledge singles ..
.. runners at first and third now ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Korach sold on DJ as the 1B for the A's in '07
Mainly because of defense
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruby ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Korach ..
.. just reporting what Korach expressed as his opinion ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry Randy.....
my gun ain't loaded! :-)
by curlichick on Mar 19, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Aim it at KenKo when it is loaded
.. j/k grin ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
3-run Home Run !! Khalil Greene
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:47 PM PDT reply actions
6-0 PADs - uggh .. make that another hit
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really a fan of Witasick
I know hes pretty cheap at 1.5 million, but he is easily the worst member of the pen. I would rather Mcbeth or some other rookie take his place.
He Throws Hard but seems ineffective ..
.. much of the time ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wish we had someone like Zumaya ..
.. do the Tigers have a "power pen" or what? They are going to be hard to beat this year ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Another run scores for San Diego
.. Branyon Russell {sp?} with another RBI ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:53 PM PDT reply actions
Next batter K's, PADs 7-0 thru 5.5 frames ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Khalil Greene:
Allergen Hike
Gleek Inhaler (ew!)
Hen-Like Glare
Heeling Laker
Align Her Keel
All-Green Hike
Like Her Angel
Elk Gal Herein
Gain Hell Reek
Her Genial Elk
He's Addicted to Gleeks
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Piazza hot smash hit
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Brocail walks off with trainer ..
.. new pitcher coming in for PADs ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
new pitcher's name is Brown {??} i think
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
A's score on Mark Ellis double, 7-1 PADs now
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions
TBuck solid smash scores two! 7-3 pads
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Perez K's
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruby pinch hits for Barton
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruby flies out
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Kendall K's inning over, 7-3 PADs after 6 frames
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
First PAD hitter in 7th - grounds out
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome - CYA Ray
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Witasick still pitching in top of 7th ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
Easy 3 unassisted on Shabala - 2 outs
.. ruby makes the putout ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
called strike 3 a punchout, now A's time to bat
.. 7th inning stretch ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Webcast on MLB Audio
.. the radio coverage is for giants games and weekend .. in ST ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Still 7-3 PADs after 6.5 frames ..
.. going into bottom of 7th ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions
dropped ball in CF - sun field double for Ledee
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Bocachica flies out to right
.. Ledee advances to third ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Dan Johnson opposite field sacfly
.. hitting at a recent .391 clip {9 for 23} ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
7-4 PADs now ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
drive to right field caught, inning over
.. 7-4 padres after seven ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Alan Embree pitching in top of the 8th ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:32 PM PDT reply actions
Manny Alexander leadoff triple for the padres
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Robliss {sp?} walks ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Cedrick Hunter {sp?} singles in Alexander
.. 8-4 pads now ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
batter K's - first out of inning
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Russell Branyan {sp?} flies out to right
.. runner (Hunter?) advances to third ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Embree is relieved by .. Shawn Cone {sp?}
.. Robert Buan is busy talking with KICY {TV-36} guy ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:50 PM PDT reply actions
LaForest batting - runner steals second
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A's could use some of that Cubbie offensive mojo
26 runs, so far, today in two split squad games. Anybody not picking the Cubs to win that division this year?
They surely spent enough dough ($$) ,,
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
third place
(Sigh...)
I think I agree with you, unfortunately. The Cubs pitching staff looks to me like this:
#1: Carlos Zambrano (Maybe the best in the league!)
#2: Ted Lilly (Yes, that Ted Lilly, but older and worse)
#3: Jason Marquis (Overvalued FA, worse than Lilly)
#4: Rich Hill (Former Cubs prospect; AAAA pitcher)
#5: Pray for thundershowers
Bullpen: Bic lighter and can of gasoline
DDLD: Mark Prior (that's Designated Disabled List Denizen)
by Loon from Left on Mar 19, 2007 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LaForest homers! 3 more runs for PADs
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
11-4 padres now ..
.. don't bet on the A's for this one ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like Witasiak
Wish we had the Tigers' power pen ..
.. but we don't ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Btw I have wondered ..
.. how did the Tigers get so many hard-to-hit flame-throwers in their pen?
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
how many do you think they have?
We should use Witasick's good spring training
as an excuse to trade him. We can say that his Spring Training and 2005 is his true self, and that 2006 was an anomoly, but that we have a full bullpen and that he would be too far down on the chart.
Hell, can we GIVE him to the Marlins? He can be their closer!
We could say he was injured in '06 ..
.. which would be true ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
well, he was injured
but he was also crap before the injury and after he came back. And he was crap about 2 weeks after we acquired him from Colorado, to which Macha then (somehow, smartly) benched him and didn't use him anymore.
I would gladly trade the A's pen for ..
.. the Tigers or Angels pen ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And I wouldn't be at all surprised if ..
.. Detroit goes all the way this year .. they may be the best team in baseball ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
the a's have a better bullpen than the tigers
bottom line. end of discussion. you would trade our pen for the tigers, and that's why you're the game thread play by play guy and not GM.
the a's could use a few
hard to hit flamethrowers like todd jones...
I was thinking of Zumaya, Rodney, Mesa, etc.
.. and of course I'm just expressing an opinion, just as a fan .. I hope you're right and the A's could compete in the AL-Central but right now I don't see it. The whole issue arose when Witasick was brought up, and I was commenting that I thought the A's pen isn't as good as the Tigers or Angels .. that's all .. sorry! Of course I'm just a fan and not on the A's Staff but everybody entitled to his/her opinion OK? Warmly, Ran
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
there's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion
but ideally that opinion should actually be based on some facts or analysis or something.
what do you mean you hope i'm right and the a's could compete in the AL central? where did i say that, and what does that have to do with which team has a better bullpen?
street may not get up to 100mph, but he's at least as good as zumaya, and less likely to have his arm fall off.
and i don't see how jose mesa could be considered much better than a healthy jay witasick.
Simply Meant that the AL-Central is the strongest
.. division in baseball right now. That isn't my opinion only, but a lot of baseball analysts {on Yahoo, Fox, etc} say the same thing. Even our own commentators {Fosse, Korach}, Marty Lurie, and Susan Slusser. think the Central is very strong.
I meant, I hope you're right that the A's pen is better -- and maybe by implication, the A's could compete with the best in the AL-Central. Last year the A's got swept by Detroit in ALCS and they also had a losing record in regular season against Detroit and Minnesota. Well they did split 3-3 with Chicago. I don't consider Cleveland and KC in that mix, they were the bottom two teams in the Central.
I think Ty and Zonis would agree with me that Witasick hasn't been a very effective reliever since he has been with the A's. Just watching the games tells us that, no need to quote stats, IMHO. Honestly, again, I WANT to be wrong, I want your opinion to be the right one, that would be good for the A's ..
But I'm not going to get into a stats-quoting thing with you, if that is what you are wanting - sorry. You know what they say {was it Mark Twain?}: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics ..
Take Care,
Warmly, Ran
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
it was british pm benjamin disraeli
i'm going to stop participating in this conversation before these ridiculous illogical statements make my head explode.
I noticed Zonis started a diary on the subject
.. about comparisons of bullpens, with some relevant statistics. Honestly why does any opinion have to be from pure logic? Are we Vulcans? Is there such a thing as unbiased opinion based only in logic? It's OK to express differing opinion without the need to make a battle zone. Just agree to disagree, and move on .. there is no need for any of us to become psychologically codependent in the sense that one person has to be humiliated or shown up for his/her opinion even if it proves to be an errant one. Let your head explode if you wish, or just learn to "disagree agreeably" in peace ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I second that motion...
by Charlie Brown on Mar 19, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Donny Murphy solid single up the middle
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:00 PM PDT reply actions
T-Buck singles Murphy to third
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
close to that, not sure ..
.. Buan is doing the Webcast ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruby does 6-4-3 GIDP .. inning over ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Still 1-4 padres in top of 9th ..
.. padres batting now ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
Typo: 11-4 PADs ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the posts, Randy.
Able to read them to get up to date on the game. That and the gameday boxscore...
You be welcome, Charlie Brown
.. it is now two outs {I think} in top of ninth ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
top half of ninth is over, pads do not score
.. leave one runner on ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Last Chance for the A's in bottom of ninth ..
.. don't go placing any bets, we are down 11-4 .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
Suzuki flies out
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ricky Ledee grounds out
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Bocachica flies out, game over!
by Randy Bell on Mar 19, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ziegler with a scoreless 9th vs the Pads
Gave up one hit is all in inning. Nice debut in s.t. today.
good work ziggy
Well they did win two games yesterday...
Minor League Position Player
Same with you, excited to see Buck, Barton and Suzuki put together nice camps. All 3 should be penciled in starters next spring.....but keep in mind, we would probably lose Kendall's salary, and probably one additional position player's salary, so there should be some money that can be put into the pitching staff, patchwork or long term. So having prospects allow you to spend money elsewhere.
by raiderjohn on Mar 21, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions

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