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Open Thread - Spring Training: Game 17

Give me a "K"!
Give me an "E"!
Give me an "N"!
<repeat with each letter of "KENNEDY">

Yes, it's Spring Training. You can't take things too much to heart. For instance, it's not like Rich Harden will be a mean, green, strike-out machine during the regular season, and it's not like Kennedy will really sport a 47.65 ERA during the real games, right? RIGHT?!

Our chosen fifth starter takes the mound today for the A's. I'm torn between wanting him to do well, because I would like the A's to get some wins from the fifth spot, and between wanting him to be just awful, so he can move back to the pen, where I cheered loudly for him and we made up nicknames that didn't have 'you suck' as part of them.

A's offense got started late yesterday, but at least it got started. I was a little worried there for a second. You can either worry about your pitching staff OR your offense, but not both, or it's going to be a loooong season.

Post away! Go A's!

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anybody know if this game will be broadcast

on 1550am/106.fm? (not that I've had much luck getting the games on fm).

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Cactus League Baseball on the radio!

1550 am broadcast starts at 11:30am for Marty Lurie. 106.9 will prolly join at 12 for the A's pregame coverage. Game starts at 1:05 pm PT.

Enjoy.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm listening to Marty Lurie show as I type ..

.. on KYCY {SF-1550am} .. and the MLB Audio picks up the feed from KIFR {106.9fm} or sometimes KYCY {even though it shows KIFR on the MLB Multimedia page} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also if you miss Marty Lurie and want to listen

.. online they upload the show to:
http://www.loveofthegameproductions.com/

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't know why that is...

Marty Lurie's show is part of the A's broadcast so it should be on 106.9 but it isn't.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pregame on the FM station is kicking in right now
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know where I would be able to...

watch the AAA game today?

We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Mar 17, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Baseballgirl Says ..

You can either worry about your pitching staff OR your offense, but not both, or it's going to be a loooong season.

I am still relatively new to AN but judging from what I've seen - on AN we worry about Everything baby!  Even the Announcers' performance! .. {g} .. :):)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah!

Fire Cotroneo Now!!

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

In other news...

Nice win by the GS Dubs last nite. Playoffs baby!

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Robert Buan = Genius

Send Gaudin back to the rotation.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Mike Mitchell a SP or RP?
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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

RP

hard throwing righty, hasn't yet played above double-A level. Has an excellent slider and sinker. and he's 25 years old.

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a Saarloos.

Maybe this guy is why Kirk was traded away.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, bbg,

I'm beginning to fear that the F in JFK will be meant in a bad way this season.

"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane

by day-to-day on Mar 17, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Kennedy will give up 5 runs in the first inning..

then Geren will finally take him out of the rotation plans.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

ST doesn't mean much for the veterans ..

.. but if he chokes in April-May, then we gotta go something ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correction: gotta DO something ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

gameday?

If I have to do calc revisions, I'd really like to watch the game. Just to pretend that I'm excited about calc. Transferred excitement?

Whatever. Does anyone have the gameday link?

I like life. It's something to do.

by Squeaky on Mar 17, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Ricky Weeks an infield single
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Chavvy would have had that.
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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

here we go - single by hardy
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

This is not the way to start.

The A's can't get a DP to save their lives.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

base hit by prince fielder, 1-0 brewers
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Kennedy Sucks:

Dense Jockey Sunk
Seek Second Junkey

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Lovable Anagram Man is Back !!
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeezus..

Joe K gives up more runs before outs than I have ever seen.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Bill Hall double 2-0 brewers
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe K has given up 25 hits in ..

.. 7 and a third innings ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, thats it.

We need to trade for a starter. I mean, at the very least, an average starter.

Penny where art thou?

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe K sucks
We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Mar 17, 2007 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

God dammit.

2-0 Mil no outs. 4 consecutive hits.
Can we just clone Harden, please?

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Kennedy is awful:

Flunked Anywise
Flunkies Yawned
Winked Unsafely
Unwifely Snaked

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

The Dodgers are putting Chad Billingsley

in the bullpen. Think we could get some prospects away from them and their new prospect hating GM?

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

obviously their prospect hating GM

isn't paying attention to billingsley's k:bb ratio.  
well, either that or you're not.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

4-0 brewers now, johnny estradi single
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

estrada? sp?
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, the question seems to be
"what would it take for Kennedy to lose the #5 spot?" Because while spring training stats are often pretty meaningless, 26 hits in less than 8 innings is about as bad as it can get. You can lob batting practice and hope for about that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn, I hate being right all the time.

Kennedy will give up 5 runs in the first inning..

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that code for,
"Look at me, everyone! I was right, I was right!!!!!!!"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well all i know is that Kennedy is not right.
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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

another hit, estrada scores
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Bad, bad, bad.

Joe has got to get his s#%t together.

A's, baby!

by Coach Cleats on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Make it 27 hits
:-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

5-0 Mikwalkee

Kennedy. You suck as a starter.

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Adam Melhuse:

Ashamed Mule
Mauled Shame

In non-anagram related news, Joe Kennedy's spring is actually getting worse. Good grief.

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Ashamed mule. Perfection!
"robots with way too much intelligence, this chick, a healthy Eric Gagne..." ~cutthemullet

by LAXile on Mar 17, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF?

Kennedy got an out!

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Since when did he learn to do that?
We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Mar 17, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally!

Well, its better to be down early.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Possible trade targets?

Brad Penney
Jon Lieber
Mark Prior? (Do we want to take a chance on him? Could be expensive (cash wise) and his career could be over, but on the other side, it could be getting an ace for... Kennedy?)

Maybe we could try to acquire the loser of the WhiteSox 5th Starter slot, Danks or Flloyd?

Or maybe Mark Buehrle?

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Pencil in an 'L' every fifth start
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, we don't need to
try to get it all back at once. We just need 4 this inning.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

We will need to play .900 ball ..

.. when Kennedy isn't starting ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Swisher K's

.. too much ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Especially when the bases are loaded...

and the count is 3-0.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is absolutely HORRIBLE !!
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

Did Kennedy's ERA go up or down?

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

it stayed the same

lots of runs divided by zero outs.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza homers
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by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay!!

Piazza homers! 5-2 A's.
Boy they needed that one.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

PIAZZA!
We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Mar 17, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

i feel a W

this is a dangerous lineup, with both melhuse and goleski starting.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

randy ROFL at that remark
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWO POINTS ALL AT ONCE!!!
Thank you, super-hottie Mark Piazza!!!!!

-Cindi.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

BOOO!
We all think we're much smarter than we really are...- Huston Street

by iloveoakland on Mar 17, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Classic A's rally killing.

Thank you Melheuse.

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by OaktownRajah on Mar 17, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

just got home after errands

sounds like Kennedy got off to another great start...

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Kennedy's coming along--
He came in with an ERA just over 45.00 and sported a 45.00 ERA in the 1st inning. So that's...progress...

<pours another drink>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

25 man roster as I would do it

C1 Kendall
1B Durazo
2B Ellis
3B Chavez
SS Crosby
LF Buck
CF Bradley
RF Swisher
DH Piazza

C2 Melhuse
IF Scutaro
IF Perez
OF Stewart (Kielty DL)

SP Harden
SP Haren
SP Loaiza
SP Blanton
SP Windsor

RP Street
RP Duchscherer
RP Calero
RP Gaudin
RP Embree
RP Kennedy
RP Witasick

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Halsey to AAA and DJ gone?
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

not happening

halsey will be in AAA as the 6th starter, but if nothing changes with DJ and durazo, DJ will get the first chance, with durazo in AAA.  i don't necessarily think he'll do much with it, but it makes sense.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

No room for Halsey on the roster, DJ is out of options, and Witasick has a MLB Contract. Witasick is also pitching much better, and since its the mop up slot, it won't matter a whole lot.

The bad thing is we lose Goleski and Marshall.

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a lineup of

C1 Kendall
RF Swisher
CF Bradley
DH Piazza
3B Chavez
1B Durazo
LF Buck
SS Crosby
2B Ellis

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wondering, Zonis...
Why do you weigh what Kennedy has done in a few spring training starts more than what Windsor has done in a few actual major league games? You would hand Windsor the #5 spot based on what he has shown in the bigs and this spring?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I view it like this

Windsor is a prospect, and he has potential to be a good starter, maybe a peak of #3 at best.

Basically, if I had the choice between "might be bad, but even so expirience will make him get better" and "will be bad, and much more valuable in relief", I'll take the former.

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

wtf, buck??

i think zonis has some list making disease.  i'd love to know what you think the 25 man roster and lineup will look like tomorrow, zonis.  and the next day.  what did you think it should be on june 17, 2002?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

my thought on this is like so

Stewart is a 4th outfielder. He's somewhat like Payton, except that Payton will play better defense and can play CF and won't get injured, and will hit for more power, while Stewart will get on base more and hit for better average.

But he is still better suited to be a 4th outfielder, and he'll be pretty bad as an everyday left fielder.

I think that Buck is ready and I think he will outpreform Stewart.

And as we will most likely have a large slew of rookies comming up soon, most of which project to be average or good players, and not superstars, its best to stagger their entrance to the big leagues.

The reason being that it is best to lose a guy every year then half your team all at once. And likewise its better to have the growing pains of one or two rookies than 4.

Those soon to be rookies I am refering to are Barton, Buck, Suzuki (replacing Kendall in 08), and our likely 08 5th starter whomever that is.

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i want adam melhuse OFF the this team

just like i have the last two years.
he's older than kendall and hit well once like four freaking years ago.  it's time to move on.  brown or baker couldn't do any worse.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree: I've seen Brown and Baker
sit on the bench and I think they can do it as well as Melhuse does it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, they can do it even better than melhuse

i can absolutely guarantee you that either brown or baker could put up an OPS below 700 this year without being 35 years old.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is another aspect to this

Baker or Brown have little to no MLB expiriance.

When Suzuki comes up, it would be best to have a backup catcher with some MLB expirience and some knowledge of the staff. Melhuse SHOULD be gone in 2008. So why not have Baker or Brown be the backup this year, get that expiriance, so we don't have a tandom rookie pair of catchers?

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

that's why i was pretty sure melhuse would be gone after last year.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty much agree on most

except I'd start Stewart in LF and Buck in AAA. Unless absolutely necessary to have him in Oakland it wouldn't hurt to get him regular playing time at the AAA level for a while. Preferable to have him there at least til AS break so as not to start the arby clock.

Kennedy appears to have settled down a bit, thank goodness. I confess to not being sold on Windsor.

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Windsor isn't MLB material IMHO
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it's a bit too early to say that

but it's possible.  either way, he shouldn't be our #5 starter right now.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

goleski - base hit!
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

goleski needs to make this team

we have no offense and half our outfielders are injured, how hard can it be.
just hit .250 over the next two weeks dude.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

bold kennedy prediction

he will not get zito money next year

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm reserving judgment, X-box.
If after the game, Kennedy says, "I felt good, I thought I threw the ball better than the numbers show, etc." I'll agree with you. But if he says, "Now that the game's over, I realize all the obvious things I should have done differently because it's always the problem I have when I suck," then I think he'll command $126million in the FA market.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

ahem

"The body felt good," he said. "The results aren't there still. ... Today I just wasn't putting guys away. I had a lot of 0-2, 1-2 counts, but I just couldn't finish them off."

"I know I'm a good pitcher," he said. "I know I can get outs. ... Hopefully I can turn things around and get ready for the season. I think I'll be OK. Just gotta keep battling."

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pencil in an 'L' every fifth start
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

30 hits allowed in less than 10 ST innings ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

now he walks in a run
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ken and Vince keep calling the

1st and 3rd inning pitching "the Kennedy impersonator." But when that sucky pitching has been the norm it begs the question of whether it's really him...at least this spring.

I'm wondering: could the weather have anything to do with it? (desperately grasping at straws here) Haren had a lousy spring 2005, with the explanation that his splitter wasn't biting in the dry air...

in order to be effective Kennedy needs to be able to whip his pitches into the lower corners. Once his pitches flatten he becomes very hittable. When I saw him start two years ago he was fine the first time and a half through the order, or the first 70 or so pitches. After that they began to murder the ball. But he seems unable to locate his pitches this spring.

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's the real Joe K

.. he just sucks as a starter, always has since coming to the A's ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's Joe Kennedy.

He's the real Joe Kennedy. All the 2nd inning Joe Kennedys are just imitating.

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bold prediction:
If this Kennedy is shot, they won't bother to make a movie about it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

two more runs scored by brewers :(
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we'll never stop hearing

about the 157th gunman on the grassy knoll.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Mar 17, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lou Merloni:

Lunier Loom
Or Linoleum
Null Roomie
Our Ill Omen
Lion or Mule?
Our Elm Loin
Mole Oil Run

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

kennedy

now more dead than the dead kennedys

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

if we don't get rid of kennedy as starter

.. we have to play .800 or .900 ball in his non-starts to compensate ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

jay marshall retired six in a row
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

brewers stopped scoring after Joe K left ..

.. anyone else notice that? ..  {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

It seems like everything
that has happened this spring supports the notion that Gaudin should have vied for the #5 starting spot. Kennedy, Halsey, Windsor, and Komine all look or are inadequate. Meanwhile, if Gaudin impressed as a starter, you could keep Jay Marshall, who would join Embree, Kennedy, Witasick, Duke, Calero, and Street to give you an excellent bullpen with versatility and depth:

Harden, Haren, Loaiza, Blanton, Gaudin
Embree, Marshall, Kennedy
Street, Duke, Calero, Witasick

Looks better to me than anything we're looking at right now. (And if Gaudin didn't impress, you'd just be back to where we are.)

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by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

absolutely

i've been pushing gaudin for #5 starter since last april or may.
and i'd still love to see jay marshall (and goleski) make this team.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the getgo I did not like the idea ..

.. of taking Kennedy out of the bullpen .. billy beane is a smart GM why would he go along with this?  And now after Kennedy so obviously doesn't have it, is BB and A's Staff gonna stick with this gameplan going into April-May?

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't be an A's game

with out the obligitory excess of GIDP's

by Zonis on Mar 17, 2007 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

no pitching, no offense ..

.. real recipe for success guys .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question for me is ..

.. is this just ST or are we really gonna suck as a team this year? .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Barton pinch running

not exactly the poster guy for speed demons, but what the heck

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah But Melhuse made a productive out ..

.. we're only behind 100 runs, right? .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

T-Buck K's
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Merloni pops out no score
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Trade Bait

Obviously the A's need to trade for a fifth starter. Problem is, there's hardly any trade bait left, what with Kotsay and Kielty injured and Kennedy's value, even as a reliever, having dropped precipitously. Also, with DJ proving he's an AAAA player, the A's can ill afford to trade Durazo. The only bait left now is Melhuse, along with maybe Perez and prospects, and there aren't that many of them.

The Kennedy experiment is looking an awful lot like the Rhodes experiment.

by richwol on Mar 17, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

how about that dunk

louisville making me look good so far (i've got them going to the final four).

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

i spoke too soon...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it too late to get Zito back?
"robots with way too much intelligence, this chick, a healthy Eric Gagne..." ~cutthemullet

by LAXile on Mar 17, 2007 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

126-mil and 7 yrs too late :(
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zito's on an even suckier team than Oakland :)
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ruby!

I'm sorry, with this anemic A's offense they can't afford to ignore a healthy hungry Holy Grail

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

We are gonna really suck in '07 unless ..

.. the A's Staff makes some bold moves ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy Grail:

Hail Glory!
A Hill Orgy (!)
Lay Ho Girl (!)
Gay Hi-Roll (!)
Gray Ill Ho (!)
Rag Ho Lily (!)
Go Ray Hill!
Girly Halo (? Angels ramifications here?)

Those're some good ones.

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

:) :) :)
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beane using Mysterious Sabermetrics to justify?

.. keeping such a sucky fifth starter candidate? ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't know ..
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

just looked it up

he's signed in 2007 for $2,800,000

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

goleski pops up
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many home runs?

Is Pizza sauce gonna have this year?

by yadamiked on Mar 17, 2007 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

more imptly how many doubles, RBIs?
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They'll feel more at home

When they get back to Fremont

by yadamiked on Mar 17, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

back to Fremont?

nothing there but empty wetland

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's not true
empty wetland, parking lots, and clouds of toxic gas.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 17, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

:) rofl again
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need to...

Turn a couple more nobodys' into some stars...........again.

by yadamiked on Mar 17, 2007 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Game over brewers win 11-4
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

how did DiNardo look?

From gameday he  seemed to be scuffling a bit. What do all you ANers think of him?

I like life. It's something to do.

by Squeaky on Mar 17, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

a decent lefty
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here are his stats ..

.. from Yahoo Sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7268

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

We got 12 hits in 36 at bats. Gaudin struck out both batters he faced. Piazza is still killing the ball, and driving in runs. Even Dan Johnson went 2 for 3.

But Kennedy is the suckiest suck who ever sucked. Remember: Joe Kennedy sucks = Seek Second Junkey. Which I take to mean as: find some other loser to be the fifth starter! Cuz any other loser will be better than Kennedy.

by Philip Christy on Mar 17, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed kennedy gave us NO chance to win
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You need your fifth starter to be a .500 pitcher

.. not an "automatic L" pitcher ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Duke should be in the starting rotation

He has the potential to be one of the best 4th or 5th starters and he would like to have the chance. With all the struggles of Blanton and Kennedy, I can't figure out why the A's aren't willing to "think outside the box" more and try different alternatives available like Gaudin and/or the Duke.

by Vegas Ace on Mar 17, 2007 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Spring Training! Spring Training!

Everybody chill! It will all work out fine! Rich Harden will have a huge breakout COMPLETE season Cy Young and Bobby Crosby will win the comeback award/mvp. Optimism abounds! Go A's!

by A'sfansince1970 on Mar 17, 2007 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

just to let you know

the highest ERA an A's starter as ever had in spring traing (since 2002) is in the 7.00 range,and that was from loaiza and halama,joe kennedy's 20.00ERA is off the charts of suckiness,even for spring training

ALLEZ LES A'S!!!

by J Rod @ Athletics Nation on Mar 17, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

i guess i have a bad sense of humor

since i laughed when reading this from rotoworld:"They may have to pluck a Shawn Chacon or a Chan Ho Park"

at least halsey keeps us into games from time to time

ALLEZ LES A'S!!!

by J Rod @ Athletics Nation on Mar 17, 2007 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, and Loaiza looked sucky too in the first

half of last year. Kennedy will turn it around before camp ends and Harden won't strike everybody out. It's spring freaking training, people! Wouldn't you rather we suck now rather then the real season? The Devil Dogs have a great spring training record, right?

by A'sfansince1970 on Mar 17, 2007 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

of course it's spring training

we all know that.

I for one would like to base my optimism on some  performance. That doesn't mean winning meaningless spring training games, but it does mean improving pitching and hitting as the team gets set for the season.

My doubts about Kennedy come from having seen him as a starter, not only his problems in spring training. His poor performance in games that are meant to help prepare him to do better in the season doesn't inspire confidence, nor does the A's continued poor hitting with RISP -- but if none of that concerns you then that's just fine.

by OaklandSi on Mar 17, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem, as I see it,
with Kennedy, is not that he is pitching poorly--often, guys stink it up in spring training and then are fine by April (Greg Maddux comes to mind). The problem is that Kennedy can't get ANYBODY out.

Whatever he's throwing, it's either straight as an arrow, down the middle, lacking velocity, or a combination thereof. The reports are that his velocity is fine, and the desert air doesn't explain a lack of good movement or location with the fastball or changeup (it mostly affects guys who rely on the splitter or on sharp breaking stuff).

The problem is how extreme Kennedy's failures have been. I wouldn't be concerned if he had a 9.00 ERA, and a 9.00 ERA is bad. But we're halfway through spring training now and the guy is giving up about three hits and five runs an inning. Gak.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A's are making a big mistake ..

.. last time Kennedy was starter on a consistent basis, was back in Aug/Sept of '05 -- and we lost the division to the Angels.  Wife and I attended the clinching game in Oakland, and yes, guess what, it was old Joe who started that game.  He is simply awful as a starter -- we are on the primrose path to lose the division again in '07 if we are redoing the same thing hoping to get different results ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 17, 2007 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thankfully it IS still only ST ..

.. to meliorate my comment, I'm not saying we lost the division in '05 due to Kennedy alone {nor did I wish to rekindle debate on the '05 season} -- just that this awful ST performance by Kennedy REMINDS me of '05.  It also brings back memories of the Angels in '06, when they wasted so much of the first half of the season with Jeff Weaver before moving his younger brother Jered into the rotation.  Jeff was awful, and his performance didn't help the Angels' cause.

I just hope the A's don't waste too many games in April-May before we have to conclude once again that Kennedy "doesn't have it" as a starter.  Given Loaiza's and Blanton's weak performances thus far, we are looking more like the Twins' rotation right now, with one proven ace {Harden-Santana} and a bunch of unknowns -- well Haren is reliable ..

But the other posters are right to point out it is still only ST -- yet if Joe_K could just get somebody OUT without giving up five runs an inning {as Nico suggested}, it would give A's fans SOME comfort .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 18, 2007 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harden can't be compared to Santana

until he can pitch a whole season largely injury-free, I'm afraid. But I agree with the rest of what you say. In fact, I feel very good about Haren's ability to be at least a #2 and perhaps even a #1 in a starting rotaation.

by OaklandSi on Mar 18, 2007 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's some geren-kennedy remarks from sfgate.com

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...

"Manager Bob Geren remains confident in Joe Kennedy even after his latest rough spring training outing."

.....

"It's spring training. You have to battle through it and figure things out," Kennedy said. "When you're in a rut you have to look for answers and sometimes the answers aren't there. I thought I had it in the second inning. I just have to keep on battling."

......

I just hope we not having to hear a similar excuse line early in the regular season {April-May} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Mar 18, 2007 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's sort of true

As one who was there, Kennedy did have it in the second inning. He gave up 5 in the first and 4 in the third, recording only one out. The second inning, he did have it. But it didn't last.

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by louismg on Mar 18, 2007 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

which part of the order did he face

in the second inning, vs innings 1 and 3?...Just curious

by OaklandSi on Mar 18, 2007 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

What a pair of stinkers...

Just about the only benefit to being at the last two games has been bumping into fellow ANers, eating overpriced ballpark food, and catching sun, because the A's are showing me nothing but nonsense. Kennedy was weak today, with a capital suck. Piazza drilled a 2-run shot, but we were already down 5-0 when he did it. If we continue to give up 4 or more in the top of the first through Sunday and Monday, then maybe Nico will have been right when he said the games' results were clearly my fault.

Hanging out in 97-degree Phoenix...

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by louismg on Mar 17, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Did I blame you for the heat?
Because I meant to.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 17, 2007 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see Mister Kenedy is

holding in form....jeebus...STraining, yada, yada, yada...   he'll get serious once the real games start... oh, sure, right.

Purchased an HD TV today.....and picked up the HD cable box after turning in my old one....So at least once in a while on ESPN I may see the green and gold in their definitive colors.   The irrating part of the purchase was that I smugly presented a Two Hundred dollar gift certificate I had for the outlet...only to be told they expired back on Dec. 31.  Only been holding them for two freaking years and this was the first time I noticed that.  jeebus!

Bud Selig is the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

by ak_A on Mar 17, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

You can see the A's on FSNHD

Like 50 games a year are in HD,  I think.

by yadamiked on Mar 17, 2007 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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