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An A's Line Up from a Little League Coach's POV

So my little league coaching season is about to begin and I think I might have the 2001 A's team!  I've got a lot of big kids taking big swings.

Anyways, as I always do after a first practice, I started thinking of my line up and how positioning each kid into a certain spot will help those around him.  This is something I think recent A's teams have forgotten about line ups--that each position in the order should be designed to help the next position.

I've seen a few people post their line up ideas and I thought I'd throw mine into the mix.  Also, it should be noted that I do not have Stewart starting (you can plug him into my line up where Bradley and Kotsay play as those are the players I'd have him spell from time to time).

So, based on the understanding that each hitting position should help the next and the players we have, this would be my line up for 2007:

S Bradley RF  276/370/447
L Johnson 1B  234/323/381
S Swisher LF  254/372/493
R Piazza DH   283/342/501
L Chavez 3B   241/351/435
R Crosby SS   229/298/338
L Kotsay CF   275/332/386
R Ellis 2B    249/319/385
R Kendall C   295/367/342

Bradley had the 3rd highest OBP last season. He's got speed, can hit for average and while he's got some power, he's not the 3-4-5 guy that we're trying to make him, which is why he bats lead off for me -- more AB's with the chance of doing more damage with his bat and legs.

Johnson can rip a fastball, but can't hit an off speed pitch to save his major league career.  EVERYONE KNOWS the two hole is your typical fastball at-bat (especially if Bradley can get on, we actually run a bit and Swisher, with his HR power, bats behind him).

Swisher is the best (switch) hitter we've got (OBP/SLG) and while he does strike out a lot, he'll be the perfect protection for Johnson to get fastballs, which if Johnson gets on base will lead to Nick getting pitches to hit, which means more chances for runs. And I feel a break out year from him coming.

Add a the right handed power bat in Piazza (the best protection we've got for Swish), who himself can get on base (AVG/OBP) and you've got some men on for

Chavez, who everyone should now know is a good second fiddle player.  Put some men on base and force a pitcher to throw him something to hit, and you should see a 30-100 season from him again.

Which brings Crosby to the plate, a right hander who if healthy you have to believe can get some gap shots in there to drive Chavez around, thus upping his RBI total and confidence.

Kotsay is, when healthy, a good average hitter who will put the ball in play, which is what you need in a number 7 hitter.

Ellis, who does well every other year (look it up) is another bottom of the line up hitter like Kotsay with some pop and the ability to put the ball in play.

Kendall ALWAYS bats last in my line up.  He's got no power, but will work a count and find a way to get on base, which is what you want from the bottom of your order and by batting last, one would think he'd be in less opportunities for his usual 4-6-3 double play.

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Good lineup
...but in my case you're preaching to the choir. I think Milton leading off is a great idea, and if Johnson actually reveals his true talent then he's a great #2.

Still, as long as BB has Kendall and Kotsay high up in the order due to granting them privilege based on their high salaries, gritty reputations, and defense, we'll never really have a lineup that makes sense in a stats-driven theoretical sort of way.

Now, if you're a real little league coach, your lineup should look something like this:

  1. Scrappy, fast little smart-aleck
  2. Your/other coach's kid
  3. True athlete and popular dude
  4. Big, early pubescent knucklehead with an eye
  5. Big kid with power but little other talent
  6. Nice guy, decent infielder
  7. Crybaby with talent hidden under tears who never comes to practice
  8. Mama's boy/bedwetter
  9. Platoon: Strikeout king #1/Strikeout king #2
Bench:
  1. Kid w/"problems at home" or executive-level parents
  2. Strikeout king #3
  3. Recent immigrant #1
Good enough for a ribbon or small plaque, I think.

by Mark H on Feb 9, 2007 1:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is there a place on the team
For human baseball magnet?  I lead the league in most HBP, meaning that the ball got struck with my body more so than with the bat.

Very funny post!  Excellent work.

by franks a lot on Feb 9, 2007 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I got to question your lineup
Why are you benching "recent immigrant", who's parents at least bring you great extra food they have cooked over the last week.

I usually bench "kid with glasses" and "kid with popular brother" also on the team.

Anyway, my problem is where to put "OF kid who always runs forward on fly balls".

"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Feb 9, 2007 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was defiantly #4
on that list when I was in little league
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.

by shooting4life on Feb 9, 2007 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I featured prominently
in either position 2 or position 9, depending on if my dad was coaching that year or not.

I was a slick, slick fielder though. B-)

BeaneBall: This is a guy playing baseball. BeaneBall: But then, suddenly, MONEYBALL! HendryHuggins: Wait, I missed the part where moneyball.

by walk off bunt on Feb 9, 2007 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was number 2
but my dad always batted me eighth so it wouldn't look like he was favoring me in any way. IN ANY WAY!!!

I think I hit .650 that year. (OBP was also .650 that year)

See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Feb 10, 2007 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You say
Bradley isn't good enough to be a 3-4-5 hitter, but yet Swisher is good enough to be #3? A guy who's not going to hit over .275 and who's going to lead the team in strike outs?  That's who you want in front of your "clean up" hitters?

Swisher is the true on base machine and needs to bat higher in the lineup.

vs R
Kendall
Swisher
Bradley
Chavez
Piazza
Crosby
Johnson
Kotsay
Ellis

vs L
Kendall
Kielty
Bradley (CF)
Piazza
Chavez
Swisher
Crosby
Ellis
Stewart

Goal of 2007: Get Mark Kotsay as few at bats as possible.  

by fadedash on Feb 9, 2007 1:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Swisher has the most power, highest OBP
And I think we'll see his average start to go up this year

Because of this HE IS OUR MOST FEARED HITTER

Basically I'm seeing Swish as having Canseco's '87 year this year

"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum

by oaklandfan40 on Feb 9, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG, I forgot to ask you....
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?!

About Kendall leading off in both your line ups?

"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum

by oaklandfan40 on Feb 9, 2007 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one of the best obp guys on the team
with the ability to control the bat and lay down the sacrifice bunt to set up the 2-4 hitters.

yes, i want him leading off

by fadedash on Feb 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so sorry
but your lineup is flawed.

vs. RHP
Stewart
Bradley
Swisher
Piazza
Chavez
Crosby
Kotsay
Eillis
Kendall

vs. LHP
Kendall
Kielty
Bradley
Piazza
Swisher
Chavez
Crosby
Kotsay
Ellis

"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Feb 9, 2007 2:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

First off...
If you have a kid of your own on your little league team he'll be the Miguel Trejadal of the bunch playing every inning of every game and probably batting leadoff. And, if they're really like tne 2001 Oakland A's they'll probably be demanding gourmet pizza after every game. And, it'd probably be just your luck that a lot of those kids have parents who are lawyers who like to attend every game and make sure their kids are playing no matter how lousy they might be.

by Salvatore on Feb 10, 2007 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My main concern about
your proposed lineup, oaklandfan40, is having such lack of speed #2 and such lack of contact #3.

I also think Bradley, independent of whether he has more "doubles power" or "HR power," is one of the team's best RBI threats, and leading off he'dhave few chances because first AB he'd start the inning and thereafter he'd follow our weakest hitters.

Given that Kendall can probably be expected to post an above-average OBP and be an above-average runner, you'd do as well, IMO, with those 9 in this order:

Kendall
Bradley
Chavez
Piazza
Swisher
Johnson
Crosby
Kotsay
Ellis

Note: In this lineup, Johnson, Crosby, and Kotsay are pretty interchangeable 6-7-8 depending on who is proving to be a more or less capable hitter in 2007.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 11, 2007 4:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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