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Batted Ball Profiles and What They Tell Us-- Part 3

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Now that Marco's gone it's harder, but maybe Clutchmasters.com can kick you a little somethin-somethin for the Jack Cust Award.

As for Meineke, specializing in mufflers, I believe a certain South Side Chicago manager is in desperate need of their services.

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 31, 2007 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

Tony Gwynn Memorial, etc?

You aren't supposed to name something "Memorial" unless the guy is dead ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Dec 31, 2007 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

He's dead to me

after his announcing performance in the playoffs...

Actually, I just used the term to denote "retired."

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 31, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's okay to imply that Tony Gwynn, et al

are dead, by completely misusing the term "memorial" but not to use fundamentals in a commonly understood, though not entirely correct manner?

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure I've seen "memorial" used to refer

to non-dead (but presumably retired) people before...

If anything, it's probably the same phenomenon as in the other thread-- interpreting a word's meaning literally. Or, as many would argue, over-literally.

Eh. I'll just edit it out. It looks kind of silly to me too. At least it gave me a chance to crack a cheap joke...

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 31, 2007 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He was terrible, wasn't he?

All these years, all these lovingly relayed sportswriter anecdotes about what a brilliant, incisive student of the game the guy is, about the hours upon hours spent immersed in videotape, about how you'd learn more about pitch sequences and hitting mechanics standing next him for five minutes at BP than you could ever hope to absorb in twenty lifetimes ... after all that, he gets into the broadcast booth, and it's nothing but a squeaky voice stammering platitudes and banal repetitions of action ("you see how he hit the ball to the right side there, and ended up at first base").

Also: Excellent diary series, though I have, sorry to say, nothing of substance to contribute to the discussion (unless unhinged Tony Gwynn hostility counts as "substantive").

by 74mk on Dec 31, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

How about

the "Tony Gwynn Armistice Award"?

It starts with rule No. 1 from coach Don Nelson: Shoot the ball.

by mikeA on Dec 31, 2007 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

With Swisher, I wonder if one side of the plate

was that much worse than the other, it seemed he struggled this year as a leftie.  I wonder if the shoulder problems he had affected his left handed swing more than his right, because he was a lot closer in OBP, and SLG, from both sides in other yeats.

by theblackpearl on Dec 31, 2007 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

Shoulder problems?

This is the first I've heard of him having shoulder problems.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 31, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Would it surprise you?

I mean really?  Brilliant diary by the way.  I really love this stuff.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 31, 2007 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be interested...

in seeing the batted ball profile of Jason Kendall, just to see that GB% and Infield Fly Ball% he had. I'm sure he would take the cake in those two categories and isolated slugging and set every benchmark for this team - in a very negative way.

I don't think the team should consider re-signing Shannon Stewart. With Buck, Kotsay, Denorfia, Cust, Swisher and DJ slated for the OF/DH spots, Oakland will not have the roster space to add another defensively limited outfielder to the mix, no matter how much of a "known quantity" he is. I'd rather see Putnam and/or Robnett be given at bats in place of Stewart, especially in a losing season.

Further, it would be really interesting to do a near-reverse study of these numbers to see which pitchers on the A's staff limit line drives, induce ground balls and pop-ups and keep the ball in the park. I guess we have an idea as to those numbers just by rate stats, but a more in-depth analysis would be interesting...not that I'm trying to goad you into more work or anything!

Really appreciate the whole series. well done!

by Taj Adib on Dec 31, 2007 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

Kendall's stats:

LD 18.5%
GB 43.9%
OFB 34.3%
IFB 3.3%

HR/FB 1.9%
BABIP .261
OCSlg .340

Kendall is about the best example I can come up with for why ground balls and fly balls can each be more valuable for different players. This year he added 12% of fly balls, losing 5% off his LD rate and 7% off his GB rate. That many fly balls from a guy with his HR/FB ratio basically poleaxed his batting average.

On Stewart-- I'd rather keep him than Kotsay. $4.5 million worth of rather? Not sure about that.

I'm considering doing a reverse series for pitchers; we'll have to see if I have time.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 31, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

With the way outfielders can play Kendall

anything in the air that's 15 feet onto the OF grass will end up as a "fly-ball".

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 31, 2007 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Kendall probably loses a lot of

potential ground balls because OFers can play him in front of the mound and catch a lot of those balls in the air.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 31, 2007 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely terrific, Paul

I thoroughly enjoyed all three parts.

On a completely unrelated note, do you or any other ANers happen to know what happened to Jose Garcia, the Marlins guy that we added to our 40-man, then had to release from the 40-man?  Were we able to get him trough waivers and to Sacramento, like we were with Jay Marshall...or he solemnly roaming free somewhere?

I haven't seen an article with his name in it since we DFA'd him.

Even hurt, I thought he had some very interesting upside down the road.

"Ben Fritz killed my father." -Monkeyball.

by notsellingjeans on Jan 1, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

BB's new strategy...

claim bargains off of "trough waivers," players you pay for by the pound.

by skutch on Jan 1, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He's now a free agent

He was not tendered a contract at the deadline. I'm guessing that the A's want to resign him for a minor league deal, but he wants to see if he can get onto someone's 40-man roster. But that's pure speculation on my part.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 1, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Very likely true
I'll bet he signs with someone fairly soon though, because if/when he needs surgery he can't pay for it himself.

Do teams have a ceiling of what they're allowed to pay players signed to minor league contracts?  I'd assume they probably do, in order to prevent teams from having a de facto "41st man" in the system whom they sign to a minor-league deal for a guaranteed ~$500,000.

I'm familiar with the concept of split contracts, and also with structuring deals like Sammy Sosa's with Texas last year, where you bring a guy to camp as an NRI but offer him an incentive-based contract if he makes the big club out of spring. But neither of those scenarios would apply to Jose Garcia, because if he needs surgery, he won't be playing on a major league roster in '08 anyway.

My point is, what can the A's offer him in terms of "incentive" to sign? Are they allowed to offer a minor league player a bonus...or do all minor league players w/o major league deals make the same amount of money as everybody else at their level?
Because if the A's can't offer him any incentives, and the rest of the league was offering him minor-league deals anyway, it seems like he'd just re-sign closer to home, perhaps even with Florida again.

"Ben Fritz killed my father." -Monkeyball.

by notsellingjeans on Jan 2, 2008 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think there's a MiLB contract ceiling...

Roger Clemens was technically signed to a minor league contract last season-- albeit one that paid him at a rate of $27 million for a full season...

Maybe it was some kind of split contract, but I was under the definite impression that he was getting paid for his minor league "buildup" starts at the full rate.

Garcia already had surgery; theoretically he was in the process of rehabbing from TJS when the A's picked him up (and further along in the same process when they let him go). People were theorizing that he must have had a setback of some kind. Where that leaves him right now... who knows?

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 2, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see how that gets you a 41st man
if you sign a guy to an overpriced minor league contract.

He still has to be moved to the 40-man before he can play in the bigs, so where's the gain?

If you're saying that a rich team can protect any guy being optioned down to AAA by making his salary so high that no other team would want to take it on, well, yeah, I think teams can do that right now. But why would anyone do that on purpose?  I mean, if we give Dana Eveland a start in Oakland and then want to send him back to Sacramento without having him claimed off waivers, all we have to do is sign him to a Zito-priced contract, and then no one will touch him, right?

As for Jose Garcia, wouldn't he go straight to the 60-day DL?  Same as Denorfia last year, so he doesn't take up a roster spot.

Or maybe I'm just not understanding you.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 2, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

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