Eveland potentially the next Haren?
The first thing i did when I looked at the Haren trade was to see if it had the potential to be like the Mulder trade. So looking for this trade's "dan haren" and "daric barton", i find Dana Eveland and Carlos Gonzalez pretty intriguing.
Dana Eveland- Although he hasn't exactly been steller in the major leagues with his 1-0 record and 14.40 ERA, he has been pretty good in the minors. The thing is he's major league ready just like Dan Haren was, and he has put up some pretty decent stats in the Mexican Winter league. He is 3-2 with a 2.55 ERA in 13 games there, including a 10 strikeout 6 inning performance with an A's scout watching according to the following website:. (http://www.the-signal.com/?module=di...)
Here's his description from http://www.azsnakepit.com/:
Dana Eveland His time in Arizona ends with the non-impressive line of 5 IP, 8 H, 5 BB, 8 ER, and an ERA of 14.40. It's worth noting that half the players we are losing came to the team in trades - here, as part of the Doug Davis deal with the Brewers. Eveland has been lights-out in the minor-leagues, posting a 2.61 ERA over 413.2 innings since his 2003 debut, but has not been able to stick in the majors, where his ERA is 7.55 in 64-plus innings, over the past three years. He missed a month with a finger injury but came back strong for Tucson, posting a sub-two ERA in seven games and 27.2 innings, despite a 1.41 WHIP. He's a lefty, so that likely gives him more rope than most, and only turned 24 in October.
Carlos Gonzalez is also pretty intriguing too. I found articles comparing his potential to be like bobby abreu or carlos beltran. definitely a Wow. He was the Dbacks' number 1 prospect, and one of the best prospects in the league. All-star potential definitely. I'm pretty excited about him. On most teams, this guy would be untouchable, but with so many people ahead of him, Gonzalez was expendable to the Dbacks. Lucky us. This is what was said at the AZ Snakepit:
Carlos Gonzales Our top prospect, according to Baseball America - only 22, but I would not be surprised to see him in the outfield for Oakland before very much longer, if not on Opening Day. The major knock is his poor plate discipline - he spent most of the season in Double-A Mobile, where he struck out 103 times while walking only 32. Given this, it's a surprise Beane wanted him, as he's the very antithesis of the OBP-based philosophy described in Moneyball. Whether it's corrected or exacerbated by his arrival in the majors will likely determine whether this is a boon or a bust.
Much as with Quentin, the signing of Eric Byrnes likely sealed CarGon's fate, locking up the third outfield spot. I do worry how thin this has left us in the outfield; in five months, we have lost Hairston, Quentin and Gonzales. I guess the next imminent prospect coming up the pipeline is Alex Romero, who batted .310 with the Sidewinders. But that was with only 5 homers in 131 games and an overal OPS of .775, not good for that park, I did briefly get excited about Jarred Ball's .346 with Tucson last year, until I saw a) that was in 23 games, and b) he hit a hundred points lower than that at the Double-A level over 2005-2007.
Besides these two players, we also got 4 other prospects that are not bad at all. In fact, they are all rather good prospects.
But definitely, billy beane was trying to sell high on Dan Haren. If Haren doesn't improve, and plays at the level he played last year, it is hard to find his value increasing any more than now because of his 3 years at cheap money.
Beane may have just pulled off a major coup. This package is as good or maybe even better as the one the Marlins got from Detroit for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. Think, Haren and Conor Robertson got possibly a better haul than what Cabrera and Willis hauled in. Wow.
And if Eveland turns into the next Dan haren, and Carlos Gonzalez becomes an All-star, we may have just seen the Mark Mulder Trade Part II. Or maybe even better because of Anderson, Cunningham, Carter, and Smith.
I been questioning my faith in Beane recently, but this trade has me believing in Billy Beaneball once again.
Only time will tell.
(P.S. This is my first ever post!!!)
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Oh I just
highlighted the same quote in another thread about Gonzalez.
About Eveland ...what does he throw? Type of Pitches and speed?
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 15, 2007 11:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mid 90's I've heard
I'm not sure about the types of pitches though,
by asyouwish33 on Dec 15, 2007 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking that's probably his fastball -
though if not, all the better!
by Nico on Dec 16, 2007 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From the 2005 BA Handbook
Strengths:
Eveland has a build that evokes David Wells and has some of Wells’ pitchability as well. His fastball sits at 88-90 mph, touching 94. Eveland adds and subtracts off his fastball and commands it well. His slider can be a plus pitch, aided by his deceiving, crossfire delivery. His curveball has good depth.
And from their 2004 Midwest League top 20 list:
Scouts love Eveland's arm and hate his body. He pitches at 89-92 mph, topping out at 94 and maintains his velocity deep into games. But he also carries 240 pounds on his 6-foot frame, adding 20 pounds during the season despite repeated admonishments from the Brewers to watch his weight. He drew some obvious comparisons to portly lefties such as Sid Fernandez and David Wells.
Eveland could become a No. 4 starter because he's a lefthander with solid velocity and command. But he still has plenty of work to do beyond his conditioning. His changeup and slider have their moments but neither is a consistently reliable second pitch.
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
he pitches like Wells did in his prime.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 16, 2007 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy
Eveland could become a No. 4 starter because he's a lefthander with solid velocity and command.
What, precisely, does him being a lefthander have to do with this? Most #4 starters of any handedness have "solid velocity and command". People use these attributes that just don't matter (like handedness for starting pitchers) to pigeonhole players. Unless the A's are planning to platoon their 5th starters, Eveland's handedness is basically irrelevant.
Maybe I'm misreading the report and they're just throwing the info in there, but it definitely reads like they're assessing his ceiling partly by what hand he throws with, which is A Bad Idea.
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Well, ya know, he's got 4 fingers and a thumb on his non-pitching hand, and a strange patchwork of hair on his back, so you can safely count on an average of 10 wins a season and an ERA under 4.50. ;-)
by UncleLeo on Dec 16, 2007 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the first report, where he
"hits 88-90 and touches 94," but apparently never throws 91-93.
by Nico on Dec 16, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not based on his bit of MLB experience
Haren looked alot better from his MLB experience when he was first traded to the A's, than Eveland does at the moment.
Eveland is four inches shorter than Haren, but weighs about the same (220 lbs). He's 24 years old and throws lefty. A 2006 report said he had four pitches:slider, changeup, curve and a fastball that touched 90-92 mph. He was a Brewers' 16th round draft pick in 2002.
by OaklandSi on Dec 15, 2007 11:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
actually, he's listed at 240 lbs, 20 lbs more
than Haren. Some scouts had compared him to David Wells.
by OaklandSi on Dec 16, 2007 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimistic
Well this is the first I've seen someone from AN put such a positive outlook on the Dan Haren trade or "Mulder trade part II".
I haven't read into to much details about all six of the prospects that we got but its to know that there is promise.
BB defiently got a lot for Haren plus Connor which is uplifting but I don't know about comparing Eveland to Haren. Granted the minor league numbers don't promise success in the majors. I hope that 2008 will be a year that we can see some players like Eveland, Meyer, Braden, and DiNardo take the opportunity to improve.
We still don't know what BB will get from Blanton assuming he's going to be traded.
I'm just hoping that this trade doesn't end up like the Hudson trade
by Coffee13eans on Dec 15, 2007 11:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so i guess that means
we'll be trading him for 6 prospects in a few years.
by ConditionOakland on Dec 16, 2007 2:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If so ...
that'll mean this trade was a big success ...
by devo on Dec 16, 2007 3:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because he'll have been a top starter
for the A's for several years, making him highly sought after, right?
by OaklandSi on Dec 16, 2007 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly ...
by devo on Dec 16, 2007 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pete and repeat are standing on a cliff...
pete falls over... who's left...
repeat.
dumb i know. but...
by ConditionOakland on Dec 16, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson looks more promising than
Eveland, given his performance at a very young age in Class A. And smaller poundage.
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2007 3:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if Sabathia can pitch well,
weight isn't really an issue. It's more a question of conditioning and stamina than weight per se. I guess they figure they can sic Clarence Cockrell on him...
The thing that bothers me a bit about Anderson is that he's kind of a junkballer-- high-80s fastball, although I suppose he still has time to add a few MPH to it. (If anyone cares, this is also why I think Cahill is ultimately the better prospect.) Eveland definitely has the best raw stuff of the three.
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 3:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his conditioning has been mentioned
in the past as a real concern.
by OaklandSi on Dec 16, 2007 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't had the chance to watch Cahill pitch.
But I did get to watch Anderson last year. He is good, just one of those players who you know is on their way. I wouldn't classify his stuff as junk either. Kind of like Mulder or Chris Young, at you with movement. The kind of pitcher who jams a lot of hitters like Maddux does/did even though it is only 89-90 mph.
by jakarta on Dec 16, 2007 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stockton should have a fun rotation
next year with Cahill, Rodriguez, and Anderson.
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably Italiano too
Too bad it's the CA league... so they're all going to have like 5 ERAs.
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland Photo
Here is what he looks like (if it matters)
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2007/08/29...
by apilgrim on Dec 16, 2007 3:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Looks a little like a lefthanded Clemens to me
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Paul.
He looks like he could be Roger's brother in the first pic.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 16, 2007 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland's greatest strength is
Haren's greatest weakness. Eveland has allowed just 17 HR in 413 minor league innings. Haren, by contrast, allowed 19 HR in 128 innings in AAA in 2004.
Eveland was at least as highly regarded as Haren ever was until last year. If he can stay in shape, and he seems to be by the way he's pitching in Mexico, he should be at least an average SP immediately.
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 6:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
operative word: in minor league innings
by OaklandSi on Dec 16, 2007 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big minor league fan, eh?
Eveland: 6 HR in 315 PA = 1.9%
Haren: 94 HR in 3277 PA = 2.9%
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, this eveland guy sounds like a good pickup
by xbhaskarx on Dec 16, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
With average SP going for $8-$10 million a year, it's nice to get one with less than a year of service time.
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That touches on something I noticed about Haren..
Quite often, when he'd give up a home run, he seemed to get rattled by it, and it wasn't uncommon for him to unravel almost immediately. Especially if he gave up another one shortly after, then he'd just fall apart. He seemed to finally get over that this past season, so in that regard it seemed he finally conquered that mental aspect.
by UncleLeo on Dec 16, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, other than his struggles
in the summer of 2005, i had the opposite impression of haren. he'd pitch well, give up a relatively meaningless solo hr, and then continue to pitch well.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 16, 2007 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Anderson appears to be
the likeliest "future ace" of the three we got from Arizona, while Eveland looks more "middle of the rotation-y". But he is the most major league ready and has the stuff to succeed. Why he has been "AAAA" so far is something on which only people who have ever seen him pitch (a group that does not include me) should probably speculate...
...The one I'm excited about right now, incidentally, is Cunningham. Why? Because he plays CF and is fast, two qualities sorely lacking throughout our major and minor league system. Now if he can just be "any good"...
by Nico on Dec 16, 2007 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Everland has had three brief stints in the majors
each year since 2005 (twice with Milwaukee, once with Arizona). He hasn't done well in any of those, but of course there can be a whole spectrum of reasons why.
by OaklandSi on Dec 16, 2007 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they're too troubling
In 2005, he was called up as a 21 year old straight from AA and simply wasn't ready. In 2006, he struck out 32 guys in 27.7 IP, but was too wild and was hit hard. He missed 3 months in 2007 due to a torn tendon in his finger, and he only pitched 5 innings in the majors.
by Danny on Dec 16, 2007 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin and Duchscherer certainly put up
some fugly initial major league numbers.
by Nico on Dec 16, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, lots of guys do
The guy he reminds me of is Harang: big body, average major league stuff, good success in the minors, looked like he stalled out in the bigs, had to do a gut check, kept working, found success with his third organization.
Or at least, that's my hope.
by jakarta on Dec 16, 2007 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Cunningham has enough speed to play CF but scouts question if he has the instincts to actually play CF full time. The defensive stats I've seen (2006 data, sorry) suggests he's a slightly below average defender in LF. I'm sure the A's will try him in CF but don't count on it taking hold.
by grover on Dec 16, 2007 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he looked like a good OF to me
reminded me a lot of Travis Buck in the field when he was in the Cal League. He does that awkward look on first jump, but the results always looked fine. Hard to tell as of yet. But he's certainly a guy who looks like a ballplayer and looks like he's taken 100,000 fly balls.
by jakarta on Dec 16, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm, looks like a ballplayer...
But does he look like a good jeans salesman?
[Sorry... I'm just in a flippant mood this morning.]
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I comp him to Byrnes at this time.
He's got room to improve, and time to do it in.
by grover on Dec 16, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like he'll be the next DAN MEYER
by bigmacattack on Dec 16, 2007 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Before the injury?
I wouldn't mind that comparison if it was before Meyer's injury. Let's face it, Dan Meyer is a story of bad luck. If he didn't get injured, he probably, and I use that word loosely, would have been successful considerably earlier.
by asyouwish33 on Dec 16, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only Dan Meyer can become
the last Dan Meyer, we might be back in bidness!
by Nico on Dec 16, 2007 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if that's something Beane saw
too, at the Pheonix gathering.
by OldhamA on Dec 16, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is fat?
eveland is like .8 blantons.

by xbhaskarx on Dec 16, 2007 10:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
the same. He doesn't look fat in that pic.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 16, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've sussed the A's strategy out
Trade for Eveland, keep Blanton, sign CC Sabathia, hope Randy Johnson rebounds and then sign him too.
It's the All-Huge rotation! (Well, except for Chad Gaudin, who's like 5-foot 2.)
by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he looks like a lumberjack.
he certainly isn't going to be cofused with kate moss any time soon/
by bigmacattack on Dec 16, 2007 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brewers take
When the Brewers traded him the past year a comment was made by GM Melvin that Eveland might come back to haunt them, or something like that.
But watching him when he was up...sorry, I just don't see anything special there. Hopefully he has improved in the past year or so because he is very much just a mediocre lefty, IMO. Again, I hope I am wrong and he steps it up.
by WiscoFan on Dec 17, 2007 7:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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