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Bonds Revisited

Now that the Mitchell report has been released, I think its time to revisit the topic of if the A's should sign Barry Bonds, or if they do not, should that then signify that it is time to rebuild.

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Signing Bonds now would be a very curious move, if done. For one, with steroid controversy fresh in the air all over again, signing Bonds will stir up flags. But, on the flip side, now that we have a deluge of names thrown at us, with Bonds now one among many and taking a place along side Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite and Miguel Tejada, and even guys whom we thought unlikely such as Adam Piaat and FP Santa, it might be more defensible now than it was before.

Further that with the A's already having an accused steroid user, Jack Cust, on the team. Those who said that they could not root for the A's if they signed a steroid user and jerk (Bonds) are now confronted with the fact that the A's may already have a Steroid User (Cust) who is, by many accounts, a complete jerk. If they would drop their team because of Bonds, do they not already have to drop the team because of Cust? Or is it ok because Cust was already on the team, in which case signing Bonds should not then have an effect.

We can all agree that if the A's do make a move and sign Barry Bonds to DH, the A's offense would then project to be rather solid, sporting 6 players with projected OPS's at or above .800, two in the mid .750's and one washout (Crosby). The A's would have 1 more year, with Bonds, to go for the Playoffs, while still having the ability to trade 2 years of Haren and/or Blanton the next season, retaining much of their value that they have today.

ZIPS projects Barry Bonds to produce a line of .256/.456/.518, and the Hardball Times thinks he will put up a .494 OBP and .566 SLG. Can the A's really turn down that production line if it came for the right price, which it looks like it will?

I think it comes down to this: Do you root for the front of the jersey, or the back? And are you willing to sit through a year or two of being in last place withg hopes for a better tomarrow, or do you want to try one more time to get to the playoffs, but risk finishing .500, middle of the pack, with out the good draft pick or the playoff race you hoped for?

If only there was a superstar, steroid free shortstop available to replace Crosby. I mean, one that didn't cost $300 million dollars, that is.

Poll
Should the A's try to sign Barry Bonds
Yes - I'd rather the A's sign Bonds and win, then watch someone else do it and we lose
62 votes
No - I'll keep the moral ground, thank you very much. Is it too late to trade Cust?
9 votes
No - Because even with him, I think we're still better off rebuilding for 2010.
16 votes

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I can't imagine ...

that the Mitchell Report has changed anything in any way, regarding Bonds.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Dec 14, 2007 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

ditto
"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Dec 14, 2007 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Cust

Can I just point out that the anecdote in that thread is from like 8th grade?

Lots of people were asses in 8th grade. I was an ass in 8th grade. (Some may argue that I'm still one, but for those of you who think that: Imagine I was twice as much of an ass back then...)

All the info we got this year suggested that Cust had matured a lot since his amateur and early pro years. The school of hard knocks will do that to a person.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2007 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Agree with PaulThomas

It is ridiculous to call Cust a "complete jerk" because someone posting anonymously on a website said 10 years ago while in high school Cust responded to a catcher on the other team who goaded him. Don't complain about reporters having low standards of proof for printing something because that's about as a low a standard as you can find for claiming someone is a jerk.

by SA on Dec 14, 2007 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

I want to choose the first option

But I don't like the idea of Bonds later signing with someone else and us losing.

Can't we just sign and keep him?

I'm a little lad who loves berries and cream!

by JediLeroy on Dec 14, 2007 12:43 PM PST reply actions  

I think that's supposed to be "than" not "then"

I'd rather.....than watch....

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Dec 14, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, being facetious

My way of making fun of a spelling error.

I'm a little lad who loves berries and cream!

by JediLeroy on Dec 14, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't we just pretend that he never took...

...anything other than his mother's spinach, sign him and then call him the "jolly green giant"!

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Dec 14, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

I suppose the Mitchell report makes me

marginally less opposed to signing Bonds.  Bonds still looks just as bad, but since the attention has been spread out to so many other guys, it doesn't look quite as bad for the A's to sign him.

But I'm still opposed, of course.

The Cust revelation makes no difference to me whatsoever, since I've been assuming all along that he is a former juicer.

I'd feel better about Cust if he were to come out and tell his story, and assure us that it's all in the past and he's not on any PEDs now, including undetectable ones.  Same with Tejada, and anyone else who used them.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Dec 14, 2007 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

cust is a complete jerk

because some catcher called him a fag, accused him of stealing signs, and then hip checked him when the umpire wasn't looking.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2007 1:11 PM PST reply actions  

I find the stealing signs bit

particularly hilarious.

It's like f***ing Legion ball. In 8th grade. The coach is calling the pitches anyway.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2007 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I am just saying that...

here we have people who say they knew Cust and say he is a jerk, and we base our belief that Bonds is a jerk from pretty much the same type of evidence, so what makes them so different? If you condem one, you have to condem the other. Can we reall just pick and choose who we want to condem just because they are wearing our colors?

by Zonis on Dec 14, 2007 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

People think Bonds is a jerk

by more than just steroid use.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Dec 14, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, since I don't consider the Mitchell Report

much more than getting some people and saying "Who do you think took PEDs?" and having a little evidence of a few people, it really doesn't change my opinion.

What it tells me is that there shouldn't be any surprise at all if any given player is found to be on PEDs.

If anybody here can honestly say that, not knowing that it would be Bonds, they'd say "No, I don't want to sign a DH that will put up a 1.000 OPS and hit 40 homers" I would have to strongly question them.

Bottom line:  Way more players have taken PEDs than we think.  It's really that simple.  Saying that you don't want a player on the team because of PEDs is hypocritical, because it's pretty likely that we have at least one or two players on the team now that take them.

by mikev on Dec 14, 2007 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

since it's already widely believed that Oakland

is Steroid Central, I say not only sign Bonds and keep Cust, let's go after as many players on the MR as possible.

Let's be the bad guys we're presumed to be.

If nothing else, next year's ads will be plenty entertaining. Not Just Athletes...

"Baseball- like movies, newspapers, and magazines- has fallen into the hands of rich, vulgar people who neither love or understand it." - Hal Crowther

by 67MARQUEZ on Dec 14, 2007 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

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