Mitchell Report - Open Thread
Let's have a diary to talk about the Mitchell Report as names are released today.
The first big name to come out - Roger Clemens. If Bonds is going to burn in hell for steroid use, I hope there's a chair next to him for Clemens.
It's not really shocking when you think about how dominant he has been into old age, but still that's got to be the biggest surprise in there.
UPDATE: The list (bold=A's connection)
http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Mitchell.report.baseball.2.609138.html#playerlist
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Mark McGwire
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun
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"Let's have ***A*** diary" about the report?
Hell, let's have one for each player named!
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
could have just made it a weak DLD
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
No. A Mitchell-Report-Being-Released open thread is a great idea. One-stop shopping. But I bet there will be a lot of superfluous diaries today, about individual named players.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I need to go back to bed... I was trying to figure out the what *** in "***A***" meant.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, what an asterisk hole
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
I'm dreading this. I might need to be placed on suicide watch.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 7:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
REPORT: Jennifer on verge of being named in
Mitchell Report.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Placido Polanco has to be on the list.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Placido Domingo too
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From jub's link:
"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.
Baseball commissioner Bud Selig told the Chicago Tribune that he hadn't seen the report, but he was proud it is coming out.
"People can say Bud was just trying to cover his butt or take care of his legacy or whatever," Selig said, according to the Tribune. "I say [bleep] it. This needed to be done, and now we've done it. I'm just happy it will be out there and we can move on. I'm proud of it."
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 7:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
so a report written by a Red Sox board member
is going to be harsh on the Yankees. Can't wait.
Since Theo just had a kid yesterday, maybe Hank Steinbrenner will accuse him of "performance enhancing drugs".
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jubjub...
If you intended this as an open thread, would you mind editing the diary title so it's not Clemens-specific? I really think the "Clemens named" part of the title is going to invite a lot of people to post separate diaries for each notable player they hear about... and that's going to get ridiculous pretty fast... :\
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 8:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
it was a silly marketing trick
to get people to click on the thread, but the Clemens part has been redacted
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for not calling me a diary fascist. ;)
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
diary fascist!
;)
by flipgatey3 on Dec 13, 2007 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Diary Fashionist
<eom>
by louismg on Dec 13, 2007 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dairy fascist!
by JediLeroy on Dec 13, 2007 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dairy fascicle!
by JediLeroy on Dec 13, 2007 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fairy Daschle!
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JUMP, jubjub!
;)
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how high?
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can iguanas jump?
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no but jubjub birds can fly
but only when in a fashion
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm morbidly looking forward to this.
I want NAMES, people! Big ones. I want McGwire and Sosa and Pudge and Palmeiro, Giambi and Gonzalez... I want Clemens and all the evil empire to be hit with a stench. Then, I want there to be consequences.
(And I want no current A's to be affected)
by louismg on Dec 13, 2007 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the best name that could possibly be in there?
HANK AARON
It would instaneously render the entire discussion of who should or shouldn't be held accountable moot since even the "old guys" did it.
Of course, he won't be in there, but it would make it a fun Thursday.
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone know what the "red sludge" was?
That was the nickname for some "vitamin/drug cocktail reportedly used widely by MLB players before the steroid era, along with uppers and other stimulants including even cocaine. Some have speculated that many players were quite skinny because their systems were constantly stimulated artificially. I don't know anything about that, although it wouldn't surprise me that many pro athletes might do something like that if they thought it might give them an edge during the long baseball season.
Anyway, I read somewhere that Aaron also took the red sludge. Totally unsubstantiated, of course, but you never know.
by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2007 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's one pitcher I've always wondered about...
I've never seen the name mentioned, but there are a few things that have made me wonder...he suddenly added about 3-4 mph to his fastball, he had some teammates who have been named previously, he's had a number of physical problems in the last few years. If this guy is named today, it would not surprise me. (But I'll be glad if this name does not come up.)
by Soaker on Dec 13, 2007 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be an ass
Lenny DiNardo doesn't deserve this.
by BlameChannel53 on Dec 13, 2007 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that could be
absolutely anyone. that could be me, even though i'm a centerfielder.
by flipgatey3 on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean one J. Richard Harden
It's certainly quite possible-- he fits the profile to a T.
by PaulThomas on Dec 13, 2007 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be Ted Lilly, too.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ooh, ooh, does the one who guesses correctly 1st
win anything?
by F171615 on Dec 13, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my guess,
Mark Mulder
by F171615 on Dec 13, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did have medically directed steroid treatment
for his hip injury... maybe something extra? Hope not.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what i though too
Mulder. What about Hudson? We know Zito didn't because he can't throw faster than 89 mph.
by micdog2001 on Dec 13, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's up from 85-86! ;)
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I go to the laundromat...
and come back to find that I started a contest. I did not name the player because it was meaningless speculation on my part based on my own prejudices. But F171615 has correctly named the player I had in mind.
by Soaker on Dec 13, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell as Kent Brockman
Mitchell: Now, over the years, a senator learns a number of things that for one reason or another, he just cannot report. It doesn't seem to matter now, so...the following people are gay did steroids.
Jennifer: Turn it off!
HollywoodOz: Just a second...
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 8:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Big Props for this Sal
I remember that scene verbatim. The SNPP link makes this a QOTM candidate.
by louismg on Dec 13, 2007 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well done, sir, well done ...
by devo on Dec 13, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
News conferences
Link to where conferences will be -- George Mitchell at 11:00 a.m. Pacific time, and Bud Selig at 1:30 p.m. Pacific.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Names according to WNBC
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Sc hoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 13, 2007 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"expected to be named"
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An inside source
already said that list is not entirely correct. Bradley....Hahaha
by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2007 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley?
With his mild mannered disposition?
I'm SHOCKED!
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley seems like the kind of player
who would not do steroids.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Check that.
Bradley's personality - such that we've seen in media reports - leads me to believe that he's a pretty principled fellow. But that's just me, and that's just a guess from reading the media tea leaves.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bagwell and The Farns? Nooooo.
Actually, seeing Tejada and Pujols expected to be named makes me the saddest. :-(
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lenn y Dykstra?!?
Not both of them!
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
¡No!
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
iPod!
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I read it, too.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not lenny!
by guy incognito on Dec 13, 2007 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse yet:
BOTH Troy Glauses are on there!
by JediLeroy on Dec 13, 2007 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prior and Wood
Steroids and Dusty Baker = worst possible combination for long-term arm health
by doctorK on Dec 13, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, just
"and Dusty Baker" is enough.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi Perez
if Neifi weren't using, then Bobby Crosby would be producing at the Neifi Perez line.
by F171615 on Dec 13, 2007 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Varitek
No, not the Captain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
by Colorado Fan on Dec 13, 2007 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And of course his name wasnt on there...
Guess no more haha.
by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2007 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell
by Colorado Fan on Dec 14, 2007 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, no current A's?
by ArakSOT on Dec 13, 2007 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Troy glaus used so many
they named him twice!
by 5Aces on Dec 13, 2007 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar
For years he went to great pains to deny use.
Ha!
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John Rocker: there's a non-surprise.
I kind of assume he's living under a bridge, swinging a club and demanding people passing overhead pay a toll.
That guy was one massive roid rage episode.
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the list..Pujols, Damon, Sheffield, etc.
by hillofbeanes on Dec 13, 2007 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"expected to be named"
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, they pulled that page already.
Lawsuit come a-flyin?
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love conspiracy theories!
So we already had Billy's meeting in Arizona and Tejada's trade happening before the report goes public.
Now A-Rod finalized his deal this AM.
Intersting timing.
Could it be he's named?
My money is on attention whoring, but it makes for a great theory.
by whyareyou on Dec 13, 2007 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The anticipation is like a screwed-up Christmas.
I can't believe I'm so eager for this!
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 9:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now, don't start peeking...
Don't shake any of those boxes Guillen stashed at the Coliseum...
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me too!
I need a bowl of popcorn or something.....
by gigglingone on Dec 13, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it make me a bad person
that I am setting my day up to take an early lunch so I can watch the 11am conference live?
by 5Aces on Dec 13, 2007 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just wondering
if LaVal's would have it on their big screen TV....
by gigglingone on Dec 13, 2007 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to distract my boss
so I can run down there and find out...
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi Perez...NO!
Brett Boone!?!?
NOOOOOOOOO!!!
by McFood on Dec 13, 2007 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Every GG 2nd baseman since 2001 will be named.
Book it.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phew. Ellis is safe.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was some comeback from shoulder injury, tho
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
injections via unicorn are perfectly legal.
and magical.
by rebus on Dec 13, 2007 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone watching espn2 right now?
they're talking to john kerry (about the cable thing from the spring) and he just called MLB "the national baseball league". is that the league manny ortez plays in?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In touch with the common man, I see.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was talking about
by JediLeroy on Dec 13, 2007 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*gasp*
sfgate headline: Batboy key to report
Batboy?!

by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
how does a batboy key report?
I mean really, it's a key.
by gigglingone on Dec 13, 2007 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone help xbhaskarx?
The batboy key fell off his laptop.
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a a a, very funny
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so long as batgirl is still clean
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 13, 2007 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clean, and Clear
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well... your seat wasn't downwind from hers...
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, lunch.
I am eating a mushroom and cambozola sandwich and some kind of Italian bread.
What about you?
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A small child.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you a hamster?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to eat lunch today.
Lunchtime is 11:00. I don't want to leave my desk.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm eating my lunch now
I know it's 10 am, but I couldn't wait.
by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have our annual holiday luncheon today
Sometime during the meal, this one guy will stand up and "sing" the worst imaginable rendition of "O Holy Night". Every year he gets worse and worse. I hate this time of year.
by doctorK on Dec 13, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone have any spare puppies?
i'm hungry
by F171615 on Dec 13, 2007 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot wings and cheese fries
place down the street opens at 11. I'll make my way as doors open, drive like hell back to my desk.
by 5Aces on Dec 13, 2007 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada and Pujols
Considering Jose Canseco appears to have been quite accurate in his book, I'm not surprised Tejada's listed on that supposed list. I'd say when the real list comes out I'd be shocked if he WASN'T on the list.
As for Pujols, he has the same trainer as Jason Grimsley and was mentioned in the discussions after Grimsley confessed everything he knew to the feds when he was with the Diamondbacks.
by Fooch on Dec 13, 2007 10:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
as far as the poll is concerned
I think either everyone who is proven to have used PEDs should be banned, or nobody should.
by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2007 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
MLB can use my bAnNiNg wand.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it really depends ont he situation
Wally Joyner admitted a year or two ago, on his own, that he used roids once then flushed the rest down the toilet. Not that he is a HOFer, but I think it would be hard to argue that his level of cheating should cause him to be banished from the HOF.
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wally Joyner always struck me as a real life
Ned Flanders
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Pohlad would be Mr. Burns
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhhhh-xcellent
by doctorK on Dec 13, 2007 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so does the price tag for bonds go up?
now he's just one out of of 50-60 names.
and can they keep bonds out of the hall of fame if they let clemens in? i say keep them both out, the best hitter and pitcher of our time, they are the perfect representatives for this disgraceful era.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about if they're inducted,
but we get to brand them with asterisks?
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can we shoot them into outer space?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Then they'll just be using space junk.
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2007 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But at least
the space junk will get smaller.
by 5Aces on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly apt
I'm in the process of moving -- I'm going to be housesitting for friends of mine who are A's fans of many years' standing. So I'm here this morning getting the cable hooked up so I can watch ESPN and participate in this thread, I go into the kitchen to look for a glass that I can use to water the house plants while I'm waiting, and what's the first thing I find in the cupboard? A plastic A's cup with pictures of McGwire and Canseco and the slogan BE THERE WHEN IT HAPPENS AGAIN.
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 10:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Step 1: take a black marker
Step 2: draw hypodermic needles sticking in their behinds
Step 3: return cup to the cupboard
Step 4: wait 6-9 months for reaction
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a downer/hater
but I always had some reservations about Mark Mulder. After going buco innings for several consecutive years and dpminating, he suddenly fell apart. Surgeries aside, I just have a sneaking suspicion that he stopped using and his body began to respond negatively. Sorry, I love Mark Mulder and I'm not trying to smear his name, I just wanted to get that off my chest. I hope all the current A's are clean.
"Sir Milton Bradley is no longer family."
by mrod on Dec 13, 2007 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And probably "beaucoups".
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Socialiste National De Grammaire
by doctorK on Dec 13, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but without the "s"
LOL
Never mind.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I think that was supposed to be "balco"
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been hinting/hypothesizing for several years
... that I had a suspicion that Beane's been working to clean out the organization of PEDs more aggressively than MLB, and that the injuries have been part and parcel of that effort. Which theory would go a long way toward explaining why Beane never quite fully addresses the injury issue.
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps a topic at the meeting as well?
by rebus on Dec 13, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a real possibility
given the moves he's made and some of the folks who had a short stay.
There's definitely a practicality given to it that I could see Beane going for, given the increased scrutiny of players and the likelyhood of dropping trade value for some guys upon discovery.
Could all be coincidence, but it's certainly something I could see. I mean, he cleaned out the booze for awhile, the PEDs seem like another step. :)
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is possibly
just as good a source of entertainment as the free agent market
by maffew on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
selig:
"I [commissioned the report] when everybody was telling me not to," Selig said Wednesday from his office in Milwaukee. "The union absolutely hated it. My own staff didn't like it. Nobody wanted to do it" .. .. "I haven't seen the report yet, but I'm proud I did it," Selig said. "People can say Bud was just trying to cover his butt or take care of his legacy or whatever. I say [bleep] it. This needed to be done, and now we've done it. I'm just happy it will be out there and we can move on. I'm proud of it."
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a phony!
Selig is the biggest fraud since snake oil salesmen.........Jackass!
by mrod on Dec 13, 2007 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no shit!
Hypocrite!
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully mitchell comes down hard on selig
in the report. selig, owners, the players union, they all deserve it as much as the players.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, couldn't agree more
The all allowed it to happen or even encouraged it.
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Bud.
I'm so turned on right now by your clarity and decisiveness.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bud actually used bad language?
I would have thought he'd say (consarn) it.
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's working on his street cred
by BlameChannel53 on Dec 13, 2007 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, jose canseco
is at the mitchell report press conference......
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
what channel are you watching?
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they just showed him on espn
before going to commercials.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did that "legal analyst"
that was just on, refer to Jason Grimsley, as Jason Priestly? Lol
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but where's Ozzie?
Is there a Hooters nearby?
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's pretty funny
My favorite part of his book was always that he/they put his career stats on the cover.
by mikeA on Dec 13, 2007 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am now going to peel a tangerine
and try to center myself.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
wait, what's the connection between
clemens, the yankees trainer, and JOSE CANSECO??
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roger Kossack on ESPN
just said that Jason Priestley was among the players under investigation. The anchor immediately said "Jason Grimsley?" but Kossack kept on talking.
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 10:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah that was hilarious
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if the Hall keeps Priestley out ...
... but not Luke Perry, then it loses all credibility.
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
photos of personal checks
lo duca, tejada, segui, rondell white...
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can we watch this online.
I think someone gave a link... but I have ADD and can't find it now.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
there's a "watch" link on ESPN
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/index
but I can't get the media player to launch :(
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tried, but got like 2 words over the course of
five minutes
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, go to MLB.com main page
if you haven't already done so on your own...
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*******CUST named in report
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
link?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No link.....WFAN radio in NY
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 13, 2007 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Poppy, put the confetti down.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Full text is in main story
I copied into Blez' lead article.
by louismg on Dec 13, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
......boring.....
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Full report PDF at ESPN
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jack Cust
Jack Cust is an outfielder who began his major league career with the Arizona
Diamondbacks in 2001. Since then, he has played for five teams in Major League Baseball, the
Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, Baltimore Orioles, San Diego Padres, and Oakland Athletics.
In 2007, he played with Oakland.
At the beginning of the 2003 season, Cust and Larry Bigbie were both playing for
Baltimore’s class AAA affiliate in Ottawa. Bigbie’s locker was next to Cust’s. Cust eventually
asked Bigbie if he had ever tried steroids. Bigbie acknowledged he had, and Cust said that he,
too, had tried steroids. Cust told Bigbie that he had a source who could procure anything he
wanted, but Bigbie informed him he already had a friend who could supply him.
In order to provide Cust with information about these allegations and to give him
an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that all they could come up with it?
Totally, totally lame.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not very surprising
Honestly, I don't see how anyone could put themselves in his position at that point (a fringey guy trying to make the bigs via raw power), with everything that was going on, and not feel at least a strong inclination toward doping.
It's sad, but I don't see how you can really condemn him for it.
by PaulThomas on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is why it's tough to listen to those
at least to me, who have the holier-than-thou attitude about it. yes, it's illegal, but ultimately it's the player's choice. in junior college, countless teammates who were on the cusp of getting drafted decided to juice, and i would have to say that it helped them. so many people have no idea what it's like to be pressured like that. i'm a guy who isn't very imposing, but i have tools that translate to playing D1 ball, and i made it there. a friend of mine went to another high school while i was at amador valley. i had a far better high school career than him, but he was two inches taller and played the infield. we then went to the same college and he (allegedly...haha) did steroids, got drafted by the a's last year, then the mets this year, cycled again this summer, and now is playing for a prominent college down south, while i was forced to move my entire life to indiana and walk on. i understand why he did it, and i know it wasn't for me...but i can't help but wonder.
by flipgatey3 on Dec 13, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im frantically...
using the "find" key and searching for A's
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, keep us updated
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
David Justice - former A
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Justice
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey man
I called that someone off your "other" list would be in the report, did I not?
by Cutthemullet on Dec 13, 2007 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cody McKay
and Adam Piatt
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Piatt supplied Tejada
p. 201
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 13, 2007 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
...There is something bizarre
about this.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
online
jennifer and others, someone just told me it's at "cbs sports" (cbssportsline.com?), so try that.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Adam Piatt
Adam Piatt played as an outfielder with two teams in Major League Baseball for
portions of four seasons between 2000 and 2003, the Oakland Athletics and Tampa Bay Devil
Rays. In 1999, he was the Oakland Athletics’ Minor League Player of the Year.
After Radomski’s guilty plea was publicly announced, Piatt’s lawyer contacted
us. We later interviewed Piatt, who voluntarily admitted his use of performance enhancing
substances. He accepted full responsibility for his actions and said that he had learned an
important life lesson as a result. Piatt should be commended for his candor, for his willingness
to admit that he made a mistake, and for accepting responsibility for his actions.
Piatt was called up to Oakland from the minor leagues in 2000. He said that he
knew nothing at that time about steroids or amphetamines. In 2001, Piatt contracted a viral
infection and lost 24 pounds in ten days. This illness affected his strength and caused extreme
200
stress. He tried to come back to play baseball in August, but he was unsuccessful. Piatt said that
he worked hard during the off-season to be physically prepared for 2002. During 2002, he
started considering using human growth hormone. He researched the subject extensively that
year.
Piatt recalled that he learned of Kirk Radomski through F.P. Santangelo.
Santangelo and Piatt were teammates on the Oakland Athletics and on Oakland’s minor league
affiliate in Sacramento. Santangelo described Radomski to him as a personal trainer who was
knowledgeable about dietary issues and as a steroids supplier.
Before obtaining any substances, Piatt had several conversations with Radomski.
They discussed Piatt’s diet and what Piatt should do and take to get in optimal shape for the
upcoming year. Radomski recommended that Piatt modify his diet and work on getting in shape
before he started using human growth hormone. The conversations were all by telephone. Piatt
never met Radomski in person.
Piatt believed he initially obtained human growth hormone and either testosterone
or Deca-Durabolin from Radomski. The substances sat unused for a long time, however, before
he tried them. He was more concerned with the possible long-term health risks than with the
ethical issues.
He also thought about the problems he was having in baseball. A friend on the
team told Piatt that he lacked the bat speed he had enjoyed before his illness. Ultimately, Piatt
began using performance enhancing substances during the 2002-03 off-season. Piatt’s typical
regimen was to take one shot of testosterone per week for three to five weeks. He also injected
himself with human growth hormone every day until he contracted carpal tunnel syndrome. He
talked to Radomski about this side effect and then decreased the frequency of his use.
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Survey drug testing was conducted in Major League Baseball in 2003. Piatt did
not change his regimen because of that testing. He was tested sometime during the summer.
Piatt retired from baseball in 2004 at the age of 28 because he had lost his love for
the game. He believes that he could have played longer. According to Piatt, the time he used
illegal substances was the only time he did not enjoy baseball. He thought he had "compromised
something."
Piatt made some payments to Radomski in 2004, but he said that those were to
satisfy old debts for 2003 shipments. He said he had no need for, and did not use, human growth
hormone after he retired. Piatt noted that Radomski never encouraged Piatt to use more
substances after Piatt said he wanted to stop. Radomski provided eight checks from Piatt, with
dates ranging from 2002 to 2004, and totaling $11,550. All are included in the Appendix. One
is shown below.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooooooooo
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
??
He also injected himself with human growth hormone every day until he contracted carpal tunnel syndrome.
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
those repetitive stress injuries. He could've had some physical therapy to learn a different injection technique that wouldn't have put so much strain on his carpal tunnel.
by skigurl on Dec 13, 2007 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(rehash of Chron article, nothing new)
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
List of A's
Randy Velarde
Jason Giambi
Miguel Tejada
Jose Canseco
FP Santangelo
Adam Piatt
Jose Guillen
Jack Cust
David Justice
Cody McKay
by JLaff on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
fp santangelo
doesn't he work for KNBR? anyone listening to that station?
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has his own morning show here in Sac
on 1140, I think.
by theblackpearl on Dec 13, 2007 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FP has always played stupid about Roids
Claimed he never saw it-minded his own business, etc--I ass-umed since he was a little guy he was just following the code of silence.
KNBR has a juicer.
by Aparicio11 on Dec 13, 2007 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
safe to say
it was rampant in the A's clubhouse
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so only one current a's player
and the cust thing is from when he was on the orioles AAA team?
that's really not so terrible compared to how hard some teams are getting hit (although he was our best hitter).
given the canseco and balco links, i expected worse.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Velarde p 147
Randy Velarde admitted to us, through his lawyer, that he had used performance
enhancing substances he obtained from Greg Anderson. According to his lawyer, if interviewed,
Velarde would have told us he received the "cream" and the "clear" from Anderson in a
transaction that occurred in a parking lot during spring training in 2003. Velarde was playing for
the Oakland Athletics at the time, was near the end of his career and was attempting to play for
another year to support his family.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A look at Velarde told you what you needed
a second baseman built like Popeye---hea was on something before he got to the A's.
by Aparicio11 on Dec 13, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not good for Mickey
p. 203
In Juicing the Game, the author Howard Bryant wrote that during the 2002 season, an airport security screener found a syringe in Tejada’s briefcase. Tejada reportedly explained that he received a supply of vitamin B12 from the Dominican Republic that he administered to himself.Mickey Morabito, the
director of team travel for the Oakland Athletics, confirmed the incident in an interview with my investigative staff. He acknowledged that he did not report the incident to anyone with the club or the Commissioner’s Office.
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Justice p 181
Radomski said he made one sale to Justice, which occurred after the 2000 World
Series. Justice played for the Yankees that year. Justice paid Radomski by check for two or
three kits of human growth hormone. Radomski said that he cashed this check.
Justice said that the Commissioner’s Office and the major league clubs did
nothing during his career to discourage players from using steroids. He said that during his
career he was never in a meeting where the players were told "you can’t take steroids" and that
"in my fourteen years there was never a mention of steroids" in any presentation given by any
club, the Commissioner’s Office, or the Players Association. Justice said that he had never been
warned of the side effects or consequences of steroid use and had never been told that steroids
were a banned substance.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quickly scanned, but aside from the
Radomski stuff, the "names" in the report are just a re-hash of previously made allegations with no additional evidence.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's because there are only a handful of sources
for the entire report, so most of the names from those few sources were already leaked.
by jubjub on Dec 13, 2007 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust is on the list.
Back to his time with Baltimore.
by Flashfire on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Read above what they said about Cust.
If that counts as "proof" of...anything, then monkeyball is my nephew.
"Bigbie’s locker was next to Cust’s. Cust eventually
asked Bigbie if he had ever tried steroids. Bigbie acknowledged he had, and Cust said that he,
too, had tried steroids. Cust told Bigbie that he had a source who could procure anything he
wanted, but Bigbie informed him he already had a friend who could supply him."
ohmigod! This one time, Jackie told Loni that she saw Cindi kissing Mike!
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mikeA, or mikev?
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pics of Cindi?
I'll need them before I can either confirm or deny that it was or was not me kissing her.
by mikev on Dec 13, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whats mitchell saying?
i dont have sound on my work computer..damn bosses
by oakwin2004 on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just said
Selig shouldn't impose penalties on players for past usage unless conduct was so outrageous that it can't be ignored.
by doctorK on Dec 13, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PDF has copies of everyone's checks
Miggy has rather curly handwriting. Glenallen Hill has a big script H on his checks. No one yet seems to have kitties or bunnies or flags.
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think I spotted some tulips(?).
by Jennifer on Dec 13, 2007 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those probably belonged to the guys ...
... taking steroids intended for women.
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i beat you
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pujols
i don't see pujols in the report. Was that just a rumor then?
by dbeach13 on Dec 13, 2007 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No Milton Bradley either
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Nomah
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Brady Anderson
That was a little bit of a shock.
by mikev on Dec 13, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank god it is
i wudve given up baseball had pujols taken steroids
by harendaman365 on Dec 13, 2007 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well just because he's not in the report
doesn't mean pujols is clean. lots of players are not named.
and we know a trainer closely connected to pujols got steroids for jason grimsley.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox staff were discussing in emails
In December 2006!
In considering whether to trade for (Brendan) Donnelly in 2007, Red Sox baseball operations personnel internally discussed concerns that Donnelly was using performance enhancing substances. In an email to vice president of player personnel Ben Charington dated December 13, 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly: “He was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years . . . If he was a juice guy, he could be a breakdown candidate.”427 Kyle Evans of the baseball operations staff agreed with these concerns, responding in an email that “I haven’t heard many good things about him, w[ith] significant steroid rumors.”
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Manny Alexander, Eric Gagne.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of players who have been with the Red Sox
at one time. The biggest thing to me though is the reports that the Red Sox front office repeatedly and recently discussed steroids when considering signings, concluded that the players involved (Donnelly, Gagne, still reading) were juicing and still signed them. And that the only concern seemed to be that the steroids might lead them to break down.
by green star oakland on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For example
When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, "Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?" The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded, "Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues. Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the change-up to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will follow Gagne . . ."
Doesn't make Epstein look so good.
by green star oakland on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust used them??
So now we won't feel guilty rooting for Barry next season, will we?
by BWH on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some of us..
..will feel guilty rooting for either.
And, as a result, not root for either.
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG, Cust might have taken PED's 4 years ago
in the minors!
...because that's obviously the same as a guy using to try and break the all-time home run record.
by PaulThomas on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say it was the same.
Put words in folks' mouths much?
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2007 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't support a player
who might have taken steroids four years ago in the minor leagues?
Have you considered switching your viewership to ping-pong?
by PaulThomas on Dec 13, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's just restricted to Frank Thomas
at bats at this point.
by rebus on Dec 13, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
by Ozzz on Dec 14, 2007 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, though ...
... what do you think of the irresponsible-yet-plausible-speculation that Chavez was on 'roids (during the Giambi era and shortly thereafter) and his subsequent physical breakdown has actually been a consequent physical breakdown?
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally..
Now, just wait for the 'that wouldn't stand up in a court of law' crowd to show up.
by Ozzz on Dec 15, 2007 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't support a player who...
Here's my thing - why would Larry Begbie name Cust if it hadn't happened? Just pulling names out of the air? Why? To what advantage?
He named him, because it happened. And if it happened as he said, then Cust wasn't just using - he was promoting.
by Ozzz on Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time...
Let's not let him off just because he's an A.
The "evidence," er, hearsay, against him is pretty weak, and there are no recent allegations against him.
Still. What if Cust were an Angel? Or a Yankee? Would we be giving him the same benefit of the doubt? I don't have a problem with Cust, and would like to think he's been clean since 2003. But I'm not going to sit a vehemently defend him just because he hits homers while wearing white shoes.
Again, the allegations against Cust specifically look weak, but I don't think Bigbie or Mitchell has any reason to go out of their way to implicate him unless he actually did steroids.
Unless Cust accidentally ran over Bigbie's dog with a car.
*Replace the word, "accidentally" with, "repeatedly," and the word, "dog" with, "son."
by BWH on Dec 13, 2007 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell: From my experience in Northern Ireland
I learned the importance of learning from the past!
by Englishmajor on Dec 13, 2007 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Troy Glaus
The drugs were shipped to Glaus at his home in California. Glaus declined to comment on these allegations.480 Glaus reportedly met with officials from the Commissioner’s Office in September 2007. On December 6, 2007, the Commissioner’s Office announced that there was insufficient evidence of a violation of the joint program in effect at the time of the conduct in question to warrant discipline of Glaus.
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And then those paragraphs were repeated.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They had a 'joint program'?
Is there ANY drug these guys won't use?
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So.........
"On December 6, 2007, the Commissioner’s Office announced that there was insufficient evidence of a violation of the joint program in effect at the time"........means that they just lacked the proper rolling papers"...................ouch!
by mrod on Dec 13, 2007 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think youre supposed to
MLB knows they can't fix a problem when players and teams alike benefit from it. Dissatisfied fans are a huge weapon.
by BleacherDrummer on Dec 13, 2007 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Primer is down.
Traffice overload, I'm sure.
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Words of wisdom from Pinto
Update: Mitchell is concerned about the children. Screw them. Teenagers are going to use drugs no matter how good an example adults set.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archi...
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
so levels of drug use would be the same
whether or not kids were exposed to drugs from their relatives and other adults?
i don't know about that...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What that is is
fighting inane posturing with inane posturing.
by mikeA on Dec 13, 2007 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So he has one great source...
and the rest of it is names we already knew. Not as interesting as it was made out to be.
Clemens, Pettitte, Tejada....very interesting, the rest is whatever.
by OaktownPower on Dec 13, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
From what it sounds
it sounds like they are saying that we NEED an HGH testing program and blood testing...
while simultaniously telling players its ok to keep cheating, cause we can't catch you.
by Zonis on Dec 13, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HGH would be really hard to test for
Good luck with that.
by MrIncognito on Dec 13, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
is anyone getting cross audio on espn from espn deportes?
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I got that, too
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I take it you heard it too
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm much more interested in Mitchell's framing
... (and, yes, that's an intentional double entendre) of the issue than in the, as others have noted above, hearsay/rehash/nonsurprise list of names.
Mitchell is fairly even-handed -- while he implicitly lays most of the blame for the current mess at the feet of the MLBPA, he concedes that there is a lot of validity to the union's allegation that MLB itself apparently didn't give two shits about the issue until 2002.
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just listened to his live statement
and downloaded the report. I summed up some of his statement and put the MLB link to the report in the main diary that Blez just published.
by OaklandSi on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well fay vincent cared
at least a little bit.
by xbhaskarx on Dec 13, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's "cared," there's "tried to do something,"
... and there's "finally officially consolidated owners' total control of the OotC and did squat for years while reaping the greater macroeconomic benefits of the PEDs."
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap.
by oblique on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
FP Santangelo fan, eh?
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Williams
According to the article, Palm Beach Rejuvenation Center records show that on March 9, 2002, Williams ordered $5,693 of testosterone cypionate, human growth hormone, clomiphene, Novarel, and syringes, and on May 8, 2002, Williams ordered $6,000 worth of testosterone cypionate, nandrolone, clomiphene, Novarel, and syringes. The orders reportedly were sent to Williams at a business address in Scottsdale, Arizona. The article reported that “Williams’ prescriptions were written by the same dentist who prescribed [human] growth hormone for [Paul] Byrd and [Jose] Guillen.”
The article reported that Williams admitted that a doctor told him that human growth hormone might help him heal from an ankle injury that he had suffered in 2002. “He said he learned about the Florida center from a health magazine and went through a battery of tests before obtaining a prescription for growth hormone in 2002.” Williams reportedly said that he did not know that a dentist had written prescriptions for him. He did not comment on whether he had ordered or used steroids or drugs intended for use by women, as reportedly reflected in the records. Neither I nor any member of my investigative staff had any prior knowledge of any allegation about Williams.
by pickinmachine on Dec 13, 2007 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In other words:
"I read a newspaper article implicating Matt Williams and did not conduct any follow up work."
by salb918 on Dec 13, 2007 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"steroids or drugs intended for use by women"?
Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break. That statement, while technically within the bounds of truth, is willfully ignorant and inaccurate and intentionally defamatory.
That's like saying "John Doe did not comment on whether he had ordered or used penicillin or antibiotics intended for use in making cheese, as reportedly reflected in the records."
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm missing the defamatory part, I think.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
twofold
- Insinuating that Williams used drugs not intended for the purpose to which he took them (which is, in fact, true of pretty much every single player named)
- Taking the unnecessary step of adding the noninformative detail of "intended for women," which is Mitchell's equivalent of photoshopping a purse on A-Rod running to first
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay on #1,
but come on re: #2. It's not exactly like he made both of those points separately (like "Williams took drugs for purposes for which they were not intended, and some of them were even intended for women."). Saying that he took drugs that were intended for women is just making it explicitly clear that he was not using them for their intended purpose, since, obviously, he's a man.
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree vehemently
Why make either point in this instance, but not in others?
My guess: most of the individual "guilty" player narratives were written by different investigators/lawyers/assistants/paralegals, and no one ever spent any time applying consistent framing/editing to them. (Understandable, because doing that would have pushed back the pub date by a good 4 months.)
by monkeyball on Dec 13, 2007 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the point is that he used drugs for purposes
other than their intended purpose, why not phrase it in a way that makes that fact very clear? If they reported that he was using bovine hormones, would you be upset that they're likening Williams to a cow?
by Poppy on Dec 13, 2007 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So repeating something from a newspaper
article is defamatory? Lazy maybe, but come on...
by mikeA on Dec 13, 2007 12:04 PM PST up

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