Putting the "A" in "OSHA": DL Projections for 2008

by monkeyball on Nov 24, 2007 12:52 PM PST in News Comment 29 comments

Yes, it's far too early to assess the health of certain "key veteran contributors" (i.e., sunk costs that Beane has emotional attachments to and/or would love to offload by July 31st).

Yes, the A's roster isn't anywhere near finalized for 2008.

And, yes, this is another downer of a post, and perhaps not entirely apropos following so close on the news of Joe Kennedy's tragic passing. (Hey, at least I didn't call it the 2008 DL Dead Pool. Uh ... whoops.)

But, given that it's highly unlikely that the A's add any significant front-line players this offseason, and the offseason conventional wisdom on the A's is (once again) "If healthy ...," I think it's time to start laying some guesswork on how much time the 2008 A's will lose to the DL.

(Of course, this is always leavened by the caveat that Beane is loath to DL any player, and DL Days Lost is only an approximation of general health on the impact of the roster. "Days Lost to Simply Being Mark Kotsay in a Profession That Requires Frequent Plane Flights" isn't a stat that Elias tracks yet.)

Here are my undereducated, entirely baseless guesses at DL Days Lost in 2008 for several "key contributors" on the A's. Weigh in with yours in comments.

Eric Chavez: 45 DLDL
Mark Kotsay: 95 DLDL
Rich Harden: 145 DLDL
Huston Street: 35 DLDL
Bobby Crosby: 15 DLDL (but he'll still OPS <.700)</li>

Bonus DLDL tiebreak:

DLDL for the Angels' projected front-line OF/DH rotation (Vlad, G Anderson, Sarge Jr, Toriiii): 300

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poor taste

It's a beautiful day for baseball.

by As Man on Nov 24, 2007 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Kotsay prediction

brought a smile to my face.

by mikeA on Nov 24, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea if your refering

to the dead pool comment, I agree. Poor taste, that shit is way to fresh to joke about. But I agree with the predictions, hopefully not that bad for Chavez this season though.

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch

Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Nov 24, 2007 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's "if you're referring"

"you're" - "you are"

IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it's better than "ur"

or would that be "u're"?

"Baseball- like movies, newspapers, and magazines- has fallen into the hands of rich, vulgar people who neither love or understand it." - Hal Crowther

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 24, 2007 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

anger management, over that? sure

I worked on shot-shot fire crews, years back. This particular fire I had gotten poison oak bad enough to stay in camp and I hung out at the heli-base for a couple of days. They fly a lot of supplies out to the line as well as people.

The heli-base manager lost it one day on the radio over the improper pronunciation of "potable" water..... I heard him yell over the radio...."Damn it! it's "pohtable" water not potable!...for godsake get it right you f'ing morons!" (He had visitors shortly afterwards...they made him take a nap.)

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Nov 24, 2007 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"Poht-able, pot-able,

tor-naydo, tor-nahdo, let's call the whole thing off!"

Maybe someone should make ME take a nap.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not poor taste, just way too early to speculate

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 24, 2007 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I really enjoyed it....

so it probably is in poor taste. Seriously, does monkey really believe that Harden will make three starts. pffff

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 24, 2007 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

what a cheery post!

by OaklandSi on Nov 24, 2007 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Just started the Yahoo Sports

Hotstove article on the A's a few minutes ago.... Didn't even have to finish it cause as soon as I saw ....fell ten games under primarily due to injuries to Eric Chavez and BOBBY CROSBY....I threw my hands up in the air and exclaimed...well F'ing-a-ola no f'ing wonder!!!!! no need to read anymore.

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Nov 24, 2007 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Anything, ever?

I s'pose you can still get "books on tape".

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

please

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Nov 24, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i mean

i think it's in poor taste to run this article right after a player dies and not have anything on his death on the main page. also to have a joke about the death one day after.

It's a beautiful day for baseball.

by As Man on Nov 24, 2007 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agree with the second point, not the first

I don't think it's in poor taste not to have anything on his death on the main page - I think it's a judgment call that isn't wrong either way. Making a joke one day after? Not sure if the problem is that the statute of limitations is more than a day, or that the joke just isn't funny enough. Like if Rotoworld said, "Kennedy's fantasy league value just went up a tad," I'd consider it to be in poor taste - but I'd also laugh. This didn't make me laugh, it just made me go, "Uh-oh, Monkey..."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The day after is a little early

for Oakland fans to enjoy jokes regarding Kennedy. He was one of ours and deserves better. Later after the pain lessens then it would be more acceptable to most. IMHO.

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 25, 2007 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know what you meant

but Xbhas is a bit slow and lacking in class as well.

do you need a refill on that glass of haterade?

by TarJ89 on Nov 24, 2007 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Dude, life goes on...

I, for one, don't think it's in poor taste to talk about player injuries the day after a different player dies. You can't go around walking on eggshells trying not to offend everyone from any sensitive topic that might come up. I bet someone died the day before every single one of our posts about player injuries earlier this year. What made those acceptable but not this one. Because the guy in this case was a former player? A former A's player? Please. I bet someone way more influential on this world than a baseball player died the same day Joe Kennedy did. No one threw their arms up over them, on AN. People die every day. We keep them in our thoughts, and we continue to live our lives. There's no shame in that. We keep talking about our kids, complaining about our jobs, and yes, speculating about how many days our favorite injury risks will spend on the DL next season.
Anyone who thinks the deceased would prefer we stop everything and hold indefinite reverence is probably wrong anyway.

It's almost like winning twice when you beat the Angels." -- Milton Bradley

by Elvez on Nov 24, 2007 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I polled the deceased I knew,

but the response rate was too low to form a meaningful conclusion.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's tough to get people to respond to surveys.

Dead people, doubly so.

(Did I just write my second post this week with a title about how tough it is to get people to respond to surveys? Weird.)

It's almost like winning twice when you beat the Angels." -- Milton Bradley

by Elvez on Nov 24, 2007 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not in Chicago

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 24, 2007 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But they always vote democrat.

Especially when they're dead.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 24, 2007 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, they vote Republican

when they're electronic.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought we were talking about Chicago...

not Florida.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 24, 2007 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I can help you

So that you don't have to "go around walking on eggshells trying not to offend everyone from any sensitive topic that might come up."

It's real simple, I call it "being a decent person."

Here's how it works: When member of a particular team dies, it might be a good idea to show respect and concern when posting about said death on that particular team's blog. After all, as you may have read, some people are deeply affected by this tragedy.

In the future, if you want to impress people with your callousness, why don't you at least chose a time that's not immediately following a player's (or former player's) death.

by kvn on Nov 24, 2007 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not trying to impress anybody.

This isn't my thread. I just don't think making projections about A's player injuries, a couple days after the death of a different player, is insensitive.
It pains me that Joe Kennedy died, and that his family and friends are mourning. But what's that got to do with how many days Eric Chavez spends on the DL next season? The dead pool comment was stupid, but that's not even what the post was about.
Thanks for telling me how 'it' works though.

It's almost like winning twice when you beat the Angels." -- Milton Bradley

by Elvez on Nov 24, 2007 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hold everything?

There is a big difference between "stopping everything" and joking about someone the day after they die.

I am sure a lot of people died yesterday too, you just won't here me making light of it.

by Roloc on Nov 25, 2007 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Paraleipsis 101

Get a clue, Monkeyball. When you write "at least I didn't say ..." and then go on to tell us what you didn't say, then you did say it.

And if your reason for not wanting to say it in the first place is that it would be tasteless, then you are being tasteless.

It's quite simple, really: If you know you shouldn't say it, just don't say it. Don't talk about how you're not saying it.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 24, 2007 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. This was in incredibly poor taste!

Even for you, Monkey. It would have been better to wait a week and not mention Joe at all. I'm sick over this loss and feel for his wife and son. Have some respect.

by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 24, 2007 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs