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Joe Kennedy, dead at 28

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...

Truly a sad thing to happen over the Holidays. I for one am now seriously depressed.

Star-divide

As reported by ESPN.com

Major league pitcher Joe Kennedy died early Friday morning while at home with his family in Florida, agent Damon Lapa confirmed to ESPN.com.

The cause of Kennedy's death could not immediately be determined, Lapa said.

Kennedy, 28, compiled a 43-61 record in seven major league seasons with the Tampa Bay Rays, Colorado Rockies, Oakland Athletics, Arizona Diamondbacks and Toronto Blue Jays.

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Shocking

I'm at a loss for words. Condolences to his family and friends.

by Larry E on Nov 23, 2007 9:53 AM PST   0 recs

Rest in Peace, Joe

He was originally from the San Diego area. I was interning for the sports department of a news station when he was a rookie. They always made me chart his games. I always remember pullinjg for him that season.

I'm not sure what to say. God bless, Joe.

I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Nov 23, 2007 9:57 AM PST   0 recs

That is awful news.

How tragic.

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by salb918 on Nov 23, 2007 10:00 AM PST   0 recs

I'm speechless

To say I didn't see this coming would be an understatement.  Assuming it wasn't an accident-type death, of course.

by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2007 10:01 AM PST   0 recs

::removes hat::

moment of stunned silence

I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?

by str8tarrow on Nov 23, 2007 10:04 AM PST   0 recs

Whoa.

Shocking, strange, really sad.

"It was inevitable that his natural man-love for all things catcher would eventually overcome his grief at the loss of Jason Kendall." -- PaulThomas

by oblique on Nov 23, 2007 10:04 AM PST   0 recs

Sad.

It seems strange that MLB should lose so many young pitchers to accident and fate.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 23, 2007 10:19 AM PST   0 recs

rest in peace
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC

by closetasfan on Nov 23, 2007 10:26 AM PST   0 recs

wow

a shocker. rest in peace joe.

by arch on Nov 23, 2007 10:32 AM PST   0 recs

wow
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Nov 23, 2007 10:35 AM PST   0 recs

RIP

and thanks for all you did.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Nov 23, 2007 10:57 AM PST   0 recs

Very Sad; He was so young

My heart goes out to his wife, child, and other family members. At the holidays, too...

Be at peace Joe, your journey is over.

by Fungo on Nov 23, 2007 11:01 AM PST   0 recs

Truly Sad and Shocking

My thoughts go out to his family. How sad.

''Around the fifth inning of a night game, things get a little fuzzy. Double-vision sets in. Players begin turning orange.'' -Bruce Jenkins

by fridaynightfan on Nov 23, 2007 11:03 AM PST   0 recs

Just shows you how short life really is

God he was just a kid, really sad. One day your here, and one day your gone. Ouch, I guess I should take back some of the venom I spewed in his direction this season.... Rip Joe.....

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Nov 23, 2007 11:10 AM PST   0 recs

This is awful news especially during the Holidays

28 years old is so young for someone to leave this world.  Regardless of performance, I always liked Joe Kennedy.  Not to make light of the situation but I will always recall him pushing "face-lick girl" away with the palm of his hand.  There is one hilarious picture that has been posted numerous times.

I will keep Joe and family in my prayers.  This should serve as a reminder how precious life really is... and, more importantly, how often we take it for granted.  

"If he raced his pregnant wife, he'd finish 3rd." -Lasorda on Mike Scioscia

by ohtobe21likehuston on Nov 23, 2007 11:47 AM PST   0 recs

Aww

Yeah I loved that picture of him pushing face-lick girl away. I remember that one game that we were using it when he'd get strikeouts and he got a crapload that game. It was great.

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Nov 23, 2007 5:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

you mentioned my best memory of Joe

his great diss of Face Lick Girl won my admiration.

Shocking and very sad loss.

by OaklandSi on Nov 23, 2007 6:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Face Lick Girl

In case anyone hasn't seen the photo:

It was originally posted here.

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by rungood on Nov 25, 2007 2:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I just heard the news....

this is devastating. My heart goes out to his family and my prayers are with him.

R.I.P. Joe Kennedy #37

Good riddance to 2007!

by Oaktownmagical07 on Nov 23, 2007 12:03 PM PST   0 recs

Wow

No kidding. This is, what, the fourth mid-career death of the decade? (After Kyle, Lidle and Hancock.)

I mean, granted, the guy wasn't Addie Joss (threw a perfect game, then died of consumption at 31), but he didn't deserve this. I guess no one does, though.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2007 12:06 PM PST   0 recs

Friday, November 24th, 2007

The President is dead.

RIP

by Zonis on Nov 23, 2007 12:08 PM PST   0 recs

So sad

And kind of unbelievable.  I saw a note about it in the last thread and thought it was a sick joke.  It puts the game of baseball into perspective now, doesn't it.  

Any ways, rest in peace Joe and my condolences to your family.  Horrible, horrible news.

by Blez on Nov 23, 2007 12:09 PM PST   0 recs

Highlight

I went back and replayed the audio and video of Kennedy's clutch double against the Astros in June, wanting to fix that in my memory of him.  What a tragedy for someone so young to die...

by muscatel on Nov 23, 2007 12:10 PM PST   0 recs

nice memory

that hit was great

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Nov 24, 2007 8:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Devestating news...

Rest in peace, Joe.

Jack Hannahan is good-looking.

by Kimberly on Nov 23, 2007 1:12 PM PST   0 recs

RIP Joe

I feel especially bad because I was one of the people that was highly critical of Joe during his times w/ Oakland.  

He was just doing his job and trying his best.

RIP Joe Kennedy

We've got two months left in the season, and I'll be a free agent after this year, so I still have something to pitch for." - Joe Kennedy

by Travis Buck Nuckin on Nov 23, 2007 1:21 PM PST   0 recs

OMG!

HOW INCREDIBLY SAD!!! :(

R.I.P Joe!!!

by gotgreen on Nov 23, 2007 1:26 PM PST   0 recs

omigod

I saw the title of this thread and I assumed it was a tasteless way of saying something about his career.  I did not expect to find it was for real.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 23, 2007 1:37 PM PST   0 recs

I just heard the news...

Shocked, to say the least.

Rest in peace, Joe.  Your family will be in my prayers.

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all games and holes are created equal." --George F. Will

by anomaly_kat on Nov 23, 2007 1:41 PM PST   0 recs

wow
There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 23, 2007 1:59 PM PST   0 recs

yeah

wow... what happened? pretty shocking.
woke up and logged on sfgate to find this...

RIP joe.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul." - Ichiro on Matsuzaka

by ConditionOakland on Nov 23, 2007 2:09 PM PST   0 recs

Remember

The next time you're about to rip a player because he isn't living up to your expectations: These are real people, with feelings, and families, and people who love and care about them. And they may be sucking as baseball players at times, but that doesn't mean they're horrible people who deserve vitriol and contempt. In most cases, they're probably doing the best they can, and it's just not good enough.
So some of you feel bad about ripping Kennedy this year. Why didn't you feel bad about it at the time? What makes it OK to trash a person while he's living simply for not being a good enough baseball player, then when he dies young and tragically you say, Whoops, now I feel bad.
Maybe you should treat them more decently when they're alive.

I'm remembering a picture of Joe from the wall calendar they gave away this year with pictures of players and their pets. Joe and his wife were holding their pet pug dog, standing next to Danny Haren and his wife and their dog. Joe had given Danny his dog.

by SportySpice on Nov 23, 2007 2:13 PM PST   0 recs

+1 more or less

I'm not hedging, I agree with most everything you said here in spirit, but in practical application it's not always easy to draw the line on what constitutes a "personal attack" as has been discussed ad nauseam fairly recently on this site.

I know it's easy to get caught up in extremities of emotion when you're a fan of a sports team, or get emotionally involved in anything for that matter- but I do think it's going too far when fans end up denigrating players and attacking them on personal levels when their athletic performances and on-field decisions don't meet with the fans' approval.

I have to admit I've probably been guilty of this from time to time on some level, and none of us are perfect- but we can at least try, and I've learned, for the most part, to separate the professional from the personal when critiquing performance.

It's at least something to aspire to, even if it's not always easy to completely live up to.

And considering the negativity that has surrounded Joe Kennedy on this site and other fan sites for a long while now, I don't think this is an inappropriate forum in which to raise the issue and I'm kinda glad you did.

by still bills kingdom on Nov 23, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I disagree.

If anyone on AN has said in the past "I wish Joe Kennedy would just die," than that person has something to feel bad about now.

But discussion of whether or not a player is good for a team, while he's demonstrating he's not, doesn't need to be tempered or filtered just on the off-chance that said individual might die some day. In fact, just the opposite - if we all played the "shh, that's mean and might hurt his feelings" routine, it'd be a damn boring sport to follow.

Baseball discussion is about baseball. If it gets personal, so be it - most players wouldn't have it any other way, because there's a separation between what's said on-field and what's taken home.

And not for nothing, but most players are quite happy give it back if they feel the need to bother. See Byrnes, Eric.

What happened to Kennedy is terrible, but it didn't happen because someone on AN thought he had a big butt.

We should play Jack Cust at shortstop for a week, just so we can feel good about Crosby again.

by Ozzz on Nov 24, 2007 3:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't really think the point of anything said

was to imply that derogatory comments led somehow to Kennedy's untimely demise.
Nor did I note at any point that either of us said that commentary should be "tempered or filtered just on the off-chance that said individual might die some day."

Actually, the point of what SportySpice said, as I read it anyway, was that anybody feeling bad about things they said about Kennedy prior to his passing might want to take this as an opportunity to reflect upon how much "vitriol and contempt" (to quote SportySpice's terms) they choose to inject into their observations and commentary on players, and perhaps sports figures/public figures in general, going forward from here.

There wasn't anything about "don't say that! they might die..." or "don't say that, you might feel bad when they're dead..."

It was more like, and this is my take on it:

"Hey, in the grand scheme of life baseball, however passionate we are about it, is a game, a pastime, a diversion- and the players, managers, etc. involved are real human beings like us that deserve as much respect as we would afford anybody else we don't know personally."

I guess maybe the dividing line on how each of us chooses to conduct himself/herself in baseball discussion then is born of how we conduct ourselves with strangers in general. I suppose I'm old-fashioned in leaning on the simple concept of the "golden rule" I was taught as a kid, which is to try to always treat others as you would prefer to be treated yourself. Sure, you won't always manage it, but if you start with that idea in mind you'll probably do ok.

To go back to your own statements, you seem in my view to also be contradicting yourself a bit when you say "baseball discussion is about baseball. If it gets personal, so be it..."

So which is it? Is baseball discussion just about baseball? Or does baseball discussion also involve directing "vitriol and contempt" at players as human beings instead of just as baseball players? If baseball discussion was always about baseball, then I don't see where it would ever get personal; but you seem to be saying that it's a possibility.

My own answer to all of this, because I don't believe there is just one universal answer, is that each of us has to make up his/her own mind on that one and act accordingly.

I'm sure as heck not here to tell you or anyone else how you should feel about it or think about it.

I was just echoing somebody else's view that instead of feeling regret today over things once said, and again in the future for things one says now, it might be a better idea to consider what one says on an ongoing basis. What each person is at peace with in terms of their conduct is completely up to them to decide.

So if you feel like "anything is fair game in baseball discussion" and you're at peace with yourself on that and don't regret anything personal you may have said about Kennedy or any other player for that matter, then honestly... I don't think anything SportySpice or I said was even directed at you. :)

by still bills kingdom on Nov 24, 2007 10:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

My take:
Which was pretty well illustrated already, I think, is that some players feed off the negative comments to get better at what they do.

My take is that some players feed off the negative comments aimed at their opponents, and use them to achieve more.

My take is no matter what we said here about anyone over the past few years, it didn't impact their lives one iota beyond a moment of "hey, fuck you" or "I guess maybe I shouldn't swing at outside junk."

People die. It happens, and it sucks when it does, but if we honestly think that the ramblings we post here matter one speck, that they contribute or prevent or influence that course in any way, we're fooling ourselves.

If people want to second guess themselves, so be it, but nothing I said this year about Kennedy the player was proved wrong in hindsight, and I wouldn't hesitate in repeating any of it since his passing. I'd be surprised if anyone else would say differently about their own comments.

We should play Jack Cust at shortstop for a week, just so we can feel good about Crosby again.

by Ozzz on Nov 26, 2007 9:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Kennedy's month on the A's calendar

He's the player on the November page of the "Players and Pets" calendar.

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Nov 23, 2007 3:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

In case something happens tonight,

I just want to say that Scott Boras is a great guy - top notch!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2007 4:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Why weren't YOU saying this at the time?

Because you're wiser in hindsight?

Mourn Kennedy's passing, by all means, but don't take out your sorrow on strangers around you. It's classless, unnecessary, and the people you're haranguing don't need you poking them in the chest as they try to salute the lost.

We should play Jack Cust at shortstop for a week, just so we can feel good about Crosby again.

by Ozzz on Nov 24, 2007 3:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Who are you speaking to here, HollywoodOz?

I don't think it's me (or if it is, then I really don't understand what you're trying to say), but I can't see who it might be.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 5:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Gah. Upstream.

This poster.

That's what comes with holiday posting absences, I guess.

We should play Jack Cust at shortstop for a week, just so we can feel good about Crosby again.

by Ozzz on Nov 26, 2007 9:36 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ah, makes more sense now
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 26, 2007 5:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

R.I.P. Joe

Just heard about this- how strange and how sad. Best wishes to his family.

by still bills kingdom on Nov 23, 2007 2:30 PM PST   0 recs

:(

I am shocked to hear this... and very very sad. I have always liked Joe Kennedy and I have a game cap of his from his time with the Rockies. Got it signed his first week in Oakland :( He was very nice.

This is really unbeliveable.

"The rain soaked patrons reveled in thier victory and the shortest man on the field stood taller than Randy Johnson." - Saint

by Melody on Nov 23, 2007 2:54 PM PST   0 recs

Farewell JFK*

God speed.

"Good hunting weather" - Todd Helton

by 510inDenver on Nov 23, 2007 3:00 PM PST   0 recs

update

"Damon Lapa told ESPN.com that early indications are that the cause was either a brain aneurysm or a heart attack, although nothing is certain yet."

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 23, 2007 3:51 PM PST   0 recs

.

An autopsy was ordered because of the mysterious death.

"The best guess at this point is either a heart attack or a brain aneurysm," Lapa said. "The way he died was sudden. There is no reasonable explanation for what happened."

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 23, 2007 3:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

At this point, though, Lapa's comments

seem like pure speculation - he's not a doctor, he's just a guy using logic and reason to make some initial guess. And really (though likely he was, understandbly, speaking without thinking clearly at the time), it was probably inappropriate for him to speculate this way, and to let a layman's "best guess" become a phrase fans would start throwing around. Best wishes to JK's family and friends; sigh.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2007 4:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Whoa, what?!

Very shocking and unnerving news. RIP, Joe Kennedy.

by danmerqury on Nov 23, 2007 3:55 PM PST   0 recs

nice story on sfgate.com

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...

still speechless....

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 23, 2007 4:32 PM PST   0 recs

I just saw that too

Many nice remembrances from Haren, Duchscherer, Geren, and Macha. It's sad to learn that not only did he have a one-year-old, but another baby on the way.  I had just looked back at the diary from when Kennedy was claimed by the D-Backs, and found this comment I half-remembered from 0R0H0E about Kennedy saying goodbye to Huston in the bullpen and Huston being visibly moved.  

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by Englishmajor on Nov 23, 2007 4:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I was at that game too

I didn't know he had been traded yet.  I saw Joe run off the field smiling.  Reading that comment later put it into perspective for me.  It put into perspective his impact on the other players.  He was loved by his friends.  Despite the fact that he angered me at times.  As Paul McCartney once sang "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."  Cheesy, but true.  

God Bless and hold you Joe Kennedy.

"I want to live and I want to love. I want to catch something that I might be ashamed of." SPM

by mlleaimee on Nov 24, 2007 10:10 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It is a really touching story

Except one part that just pisses me off (maybe I'm just mad because the news is so tragic):

Assistant GM David Forst said, "We are deeply saddened and shocked to hear of Joe's passing. He was a valued teammate and friend to everyone with the A's organization. On behalf of the entire A's organization, we extend our condolences to Joe's wife, Jami, and his entire family."

"Canned press release statement" enough for you? The guy pitched for you for parts of 3 seasons and you can't muster up a sentence that doesn't come up on the first page of a Google search for "condolences"? Ugh.

The rest of the story, though, is beautiful and reminds one of what it means to lose someone from your community - be it your family, circle of friends, or baseball team. Just really sad.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2007 4:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

-1 about Forst

I have no problem with the Forst quote.

He's not a personal friend like Haren or Duchscherer. They're the ones who should be telling the personal stories, and they are.

In Billy's absence, Forst is the spokesman for the organization. He was called upon to have a response, so he made a statement that is kind and is respectful and expresses what everyone in the organization is feeling.  Maybe it sounds a little generic to you, but what else can you say at a time like this?

I think Forst did just fine, and I don't see any reason to be pissed off at him.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 23, 2007 7:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

On behalf of AN, I am deeply saddened

to hear of your "-1" reaction to my previous comment. You are a valued member of AN and a friend to everyone in the AN community. On behalf of the entire AN organization, we extend our regret to you and your entire family.

And that comes spontaneously from the heart.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2007 8:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

On the one hand I agree with Nico...

...that it sounds canned and generic, and it's pretty much word-for-word what every organization says in times like this, but...

...I also agree with you... what can they say, really?

by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2007 11:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Better quote from Forst

in the CC Times story linked below.

Seems pretty obvious what happened.  The Chron reporters weren't able to reach Forst by phone. All they got was the canned press release with his name on the bottom. They were in a rush to get the story out, so they used it.

The CC Times reported filed later and were able to actually speak to Forst directly.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 24, 2007 4:45 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Taking it a step further, perhaps

"All they got was the canned press release with his name on the bottom. They were in a rush to get the story out, so they used it" even means there is a canned "reaction to death" statement to fax if no one can be reached yet for comment.

That's how it came across to me and it's what I reacted to. So maybe I'm not upset at Forst - sorry, David, you're probably a swell guy - but rather at the use of a generic statement to sit in for a human comment. Forst's quote in the CC Times is more what I would hope for - something that sounds like it came from a human being, not the same exact paragraph sitting on the shelf of every corporation, filed under "D for "Death Reactions".

I hate that generic paragraph. I'm terrified Blez will run it on AN the day I'm mauled by an angry herd of goats. I just want a simple, "Nico, an AN writer, administrator, and bestiality specialist, was mauled today by a herd of goats. Herd of goats? Who hasn't?" I'd like to hear Forst say THAT with a somber expression on his face.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 10:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It would be interesting to ask Su Slu

or John Shea why they chose to run that quote.  Surely they were aware that it was a product of the press office and not actually Forst speaking directly.  If they were unable to get a proper comment, why not just leave it out?

Reread that story and take out the two sentences from Forst.  It still reads just fine. Why not leave it out?

Is there some rule of newspaper journalism that says a crummy quote is better than no quote at all?  (Yes, I suppose there probably is....)

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 24, 2007 5:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly, mdl - as I said in my initial comment,

I thought that with the exception of the Forst quote, the article was really touching. I wish they had left the Forst "quote" out, as it added nothing - it was just a generic, and not sincere, sounding "byte" right in the middle of some really personal, sincere, and emotional comments. Had the Chron article had the Forst quote that was in the CC Times, it would have fit in fine. But far better to run nothing from "the A's front office" instead of what they ran.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 5:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

All right, I'll buy that

I read your initial comment as saying the press release was bad and blaming Forst for letting his name be attached to it.

Rereading, I see that you didn't really say that.  Just that it pissed you off to see it there in the article.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Nov 24, 2007 8:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly. As I read the article, it felt like

Moving tribute...Touching story...Emotional memory..."Pursuant to the events relating to Joe Kennedy, hereafter referred to as 'The Deceased,' such events occurring on or about this morning, condolences are hereby offered forthwith to persons including, but not limited to, family and friends of The Deceased"...Touching story...Moving tribute...Emotional memory...

It just felt icky.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 8:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

kennedy left the organization on bad terms

bashing the front office on his way out the door, telling the media they got rid of him because they're cheap and not based on his performance (bb/9 > k/9), only to then get booted off the d-backs and blue jays based on his lousy performance.
yes, this is a "typical" condolences press statement, but it's not like they said anything but positive things about the guy.  
would the angels send a non-canned press release if jose guillen died?  
would the blue jays send a non-canned press release if shea hillenbrand died?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 24, 2007 2:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It wouldn't be hard to say something like,

"Our hearts go out to his family and friends. 28 is too young," or something like that. Honest, fair.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 24, 2007 2:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

comparisons don't hold

In addition to the fact that Kennedy's DFA wasn't prompted by an actual fight with Bob Geren, those teams you mentioned are way further removed from those respective players than the A's were from Kennedy; they wouldn't be expected to issue any sort of statements.  Guillen hasn't played with the Angels since 2004, and has played for two different teams since; Hillenbrand played for the Jays in 2006, but is three teams removed from them (SF and both LAs...judging by the California pattern, he's due for a signing with the A's, apparently).  I don't think anyone's asking the Devil Rays for their take on Kennedy's passing; why would one ask for those teams' opinions if those guys were to die?  

Even if they did, I trust the organizations in question would be classy enough to say something that overlooked the disagreements that are dwarfed by death.  The Angels' offense has never really recovered since losing Guillen and Glaus post-2004; I know that for a fact as an A's fan.  As for Hillenbrand, it would be likely that a teammate who was a holdover from 2006 would be sought for comment, most likely a friend from the team.  You see Haren's quotes here because he was a friend of Kennedy's; the equivalent is what you would likely get if the Angels/Blue Jays were for some reason pressed for comment about a hypothetical death to a former metaphorical cancer.  That last sentence illustrates how far the issue is being stretched here....  

by Cutthemullet on Nov 25, 2007 1:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm completely shocked

My friend just called me and told me and I think I said "what?" about 10 times. I can't believe it. He was so young and it was so out of no where :( I hope his friends and family are doing OK. RIP Joe :(

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Nov 23, 2007 5:22 PM PST   0 recs

Honor Joe

I was just blown away. He was too young. I hope that the A's honor him next year, he deserves to be. I will really miss him. My prayers will be with his family.

by billyball1981 on Nov 23, 2007 5:49 PM PST   0 recs

Just terribly sad

Shocking and sad.

Condolences to his family.  I hope his former teammates can find a way to remember and honor him, and to stay in touch with his wife and kids.  It sure seems like they'll want to do that.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 23, 2007 5:59 PM PST   0 recs

RIP Joe

I'm guilty of being highly critical of Joe earlier this season, and a tragedy like this puts it all into perspective, that they're just playing a game, and trying their best and are human... so we should think before we totally shred a guy like many of us did RIP Joe... I'm praying that his son can live in his fathers memory and hopefully we can see him in the big leagues sometime around 2028.

by spartan21 on Nov 23, 2007 7:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Definitely just awful news

I heard about it this morning on KNBR when I was calling in to speak with M. Urban. The first thing I thought to myself was, "WTF?!!!!"

Ya know, it never ceases to amaze me when someone that you don't even know personally, suudunly passes away, and then you say to your self, "Man, I am so thankful for all of the great things that I have in my life to live for. "

JK was never my favorite ballplayer and he definitely endured plenty of abuse on this site.........however, I would just like to say that, "I'm going where the cold winds don't blow.........don't want to be treated this old way." -Robert Hunter

RIP Mr. Kennedey

by mrod on Nov 23, 2007 7:34 PM PST   0 recs