Joe Kennedy, dead at 28
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...
Truly a sad thing to happen over the Holidays. I for one am now seriously depressed.

As reported by ESPN.com
Major league pitcher Joe Kennedy died early Friday morning while at home with his family in Florida, agent Damon Lapa confirmed to ESPN.com.
The cause of Kennedy's death could not immediately be determined, Lapa said.
Kennedy, 28, compiled a 43-61 record in seven major league seasons with the Tampa Bay Rays, Colorado Rockies, Oakland Athletics, Arizona Diamondbacks and Toronto Blue Jays.
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Shocking
I'm at a loss for words. Condolences to his family and friends.
by Larry E on Nov 23, 2007 9:53 AM PST 0 recs
Rest in Peace, Joe
He was originally from the San Diego area. I was interning for the sports department of a news station when he was a rookie. They always made me chart his games. I always remember pullinjg for him that season.
I'm not sure what to say. God bless, Joe.
by Tony on Nov 23, 2007 9:57 AM PST 0 recs
I'm speechless
To say I didn't see this coming would be an understatement. Assuming it wasn't an accident-type death, of course.
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2007 10:01 AM PST 0 recs
::removes hat::
moment of stunned silence
by str8tarrow on Nov 23, 2007 10:04 AM PST 0 recs
Whoa.
Shocking, strange, really sad.
by oblique on Nov 23, 2007 10:04 AM PST 0 recs
Sad.
It seems strange that MLB should lose so many young pitchers to accident and fate.
by alox on Nov 23, 2007 10:19 AM PST 0 recs
rest in peace
by closetasfan on Nov 23, 2007 10:26 AM PST 0 recs
RIP
and thanks for all you did.
by rfloh on Nov 23, 2007 10:57 AM PST 0 recs
Very Sad; He was so young
My heart goes out to his wife, child, and other family members. At the holidays, too...
Be at peace Joe, your journey is over.
by Fungo on Nov 23, 2007 11:01 AM PST 0 recs
Truly Sad and Shocking
My thoughts go out to his family. How sad.
by fridaynightfan on Nov 23, 2007 11:03 AM PST 0 recs
Just shows you how short life really is
God he was just a kid, really sad. One day your here, and one day your gone. Ouch, I guess I should take back some of the venom I spewed in his direction this season.... Rip Joe.....
by Shippee33 on Nov 23, 2007 11:10 AM PST 0 recs
This is awful news especially during the Holidays
28 years old is so young for someone to leave this world. Regardless of performance, I always liked Joe Kennedy. Not to make light of the situation but I will always recall him pushing "face-lick girl" away with the palm of his hand. There is one hilarious picture that has been posted numerous times.
I will keep Joe and family in my prayers. This should serve as a reminder how precious life really is... and, more importantly, how often we take it for granted.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Nov 23, 2007 11:47 AM PST 0 recs
Aww
Yeah I loved that picture of him pushing face-lick girl away. I remember that one game that we were using it when he'd get strikeouts and he got a crapload that game. It was great.
by drmmerchk on
Nov 23, 2007 5:38 PM PST
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you mentioned my best memory of Joe
his great diss of Face Lick Girl won my admiration.
Shocking and very sad loss.
by OaklandSi on
Nov 23, 2007 6:25 PM PST
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Face Lick Girl
In case anyone hasn't seen the photo:

It was originally posted here.
by rungood on
Nov 25, 2007 2:24 PM PST
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I just heard the news....
this is devastating. My heart goes out to his family and my prayers are with him.
R.I.P. Joe Kennedy #37
by Oaktownmagical07 on Nov 23, 2007 12:03 PM PST 0 recs
Wow
No kidding. This is, what, the fourth mid-career death of the decade? (After Kyle, Lidle and Hancock.)
I mean, granted, the guy wasn't Addie Joss (threw a perfect game, then died of consumption at 31), but he didn't deserve this. I guess no one does, though.
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2007 12:06 PM PST 0 recs
So sad
And kind of unbelievable. I saw a note about it in the last thread and thought it was a sick joke. It puts the game of baseball into perspective now, doesn't it.
Any ways, rest in peace Joe and my condolences to your family. Horrible, horrible news.
by Blez on Nov 23, 2007 12:09 PM PST 0 recs
Highlight
I went back and replayed the audio and video of Kennedy's clutch double against the Astros in June, wanting to fix that in my memory of him. What a tragedy for someone so young to die...
by muscatel on Nov 23, 2007 12:10 PM PST 0 recs
nice memory
that hit was great
by batgirl on
Nov 24, 2007 8:47 AM PST
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Devestating news...
Rest in peace, Joe.
by Kimberly on Nov 23, 2007 1:12 PM PST 0 recs
RIP Joe
I feel especially bad because I was one of the people that was highly critical of Joe during his times w/ Oakland.
He was just doing his job and trying his best.
RIP Joe Kennedy
by Travis Buck Nuckin on Nov 23, 2007 1:21 PM PST 0 recs
omigod
I saw the title of this thread and I assumed it was a tasteless way of saying something about his career. I did not expect to find it was for real.
by iglew on Nov 23, 2007 1:37 PM PST 0 recs
I just heard the news...
Shocked, to say the least.
Rest in peace, Joe. Your family will be in my prayers.
by anomaly_kat on Nov 23, 2007 1:41 PM PST 0 recs
yeah
wow... what happened? pretty shocking.
woke up and logged on sfgate to find this...
RIP joe.
by ConditionOakland on Nov 23, 2007 2:09 PM PST 0 recs
Remember
The next time you're about to rip a player because he isn't living up to your expectations: These are real people, with feelings, and families, and people who love and care about them. And they may be sucking as baseball players at times, but that doesn't mean they're horrible people who deserve vitriol and contempt. In most cases, they're probably doing the best they can, and it's just not good enough.
So some of you feel bad about ripping Kennedy this year. Why didn't you feel bad about it at the time? What makes it OK to trash a person while he's living simply for not being a good enough baseball player, then when he dies young and tragically you say, Whoops, now I feel bad.
Maybe you should treat them more decently when they're alive.
I'm remembering a picture of Joe from the wall calendar they gave away this year with pictures of players and their pets. Joe and his wife were holding their pet pug dog, standing next to Danny Haren and his wife and their dog. Joe had given Danny his dog.
by SportySpice on Nov 23, 2007 2:13 PM PST 0 recs
+1 more or less
I'm not hedging, I agree with most everything you said here in spirit, but in practical application it's not always easy to draw the line on what constitutes a "personal attack" as has been discussed ad nauseam fairly recently on this site.
I know it's easy to get caught up in extremities of emotion when you're a fan of a sports team, or get emotionally involved in anything for that matter- but I do think it's going too far when fans end up denigrating players and attacking them on personal levels when their athletic performances and on-field decisions don't meet with the fans' approval.
I have to admit I've probably been guilty of this from time to time on some level, and none of us are perfect- but we can at least try, and I've learned, for the most part, to separate the professional from the personal when critiquing performance.
It's at least something to aspire to, even if it's not always easy to completely live up to.
And considering the negativity that has surrounded Joe Kennedy on this site and other fan sites for a long while now, I don't think this is an inappropriate forum in which to raise the issue and I'm kinda glad you did.
by still bills kingdom on
Nov 23, 2007 2:44 PM PST
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I disagree.
If anyone on AN has said in the past "I wish Joe Kennedy would just die," than that person has something to feel bad about now.
But discussion of whether or not a player is good for a team, while he's demonstrating he's not, doesn't need to be tempered or filtered just on the off-chance that said individual might die some day. In fact, just the opposite - if we all played the "shh, that's mean and might hurt his feelings" routine, it'd be a damn boring sport to follow.
Baseball discussion is about baseball. If it gets personal, so be it - most players wouldn't have it any other way, because there's a separation between what's said on-field and what's taken home.
And not for nothing, but most players are quite happy give it back if they feel the need to bother. See Byrnes, Eric.
What happened to Kennedy is terrible, but it didn't happen because someone on AN thought he had a big butt.
by Ozzz on
Nov 24, 2007 3:16 PM PST
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I don't really think the point of anything said
was to imply that derogatory comments led somehow to Kennedy's untimely demise.
Nor did I note at any point that either of us said that commentary should be "tempered or filtered just on the off-chance that said individual might die some day."
Actually, the point of what SportySpice said, as I read it anyway, was that anybody feeling bad about things they said about Kennedy prior to his passing might want to take this as an opportunity to reflect upon how much "vitriol and contempt" (to quote SportySpice's terms) they choose to inject into their observations and commentary on players, and perhaps sports figures/public figures in general, going forward from here.
There wasn't anything about "don't say that! they might die..." or "don't say that, you might feel bad when they're dead..."
It was more like, and this is my take on it:
"Hey, in the grand scheme of life baseball, however passionate we are about it, is a game, a pastime, a diversion- and the players, managers, etc. involved are real human beings like us that deserve as much respect as we would afford anybody else we don't know personally."
I guess maybe the dividing line on how each of us chooses to conduct himself/herself in baseball discussion then is born of how we conduct ourselves with strangers in general. I suppose I'm old-fashioned in leaning on the simple concept of the "golden rule" I was taught as a kid, which is to try to always treat others as you would prefer to be treated yourself. Sure, you won't always manage it, but if you start with that idea in mind you'll probably do ok.
To go back to your own statements, you seem in my view to also be contradicting yourself a bit when you say "baseball discussion is about baseball. If it gets personal, so be it..."
So which is it? Is baseball discussion just about baseball? Or does baseball discussion also involve directing "vitriol and contempt" at players as human beings instead of just as baseball players? If baseball discussion was always about baseball, then I don't see where it would ever get personal; but you seem to be saying that it's a possibility.
My own answer to all of this, because I don't believe there is just one universal answer, is that each of us has to make up his/her own mind on that one and act accordingly.
I'm sure as heck not here to tell you or anyone else how you should feel about it or think about it.
I was just echoing somebody else's view that instead of feeling regret today over things once said, and again in the future for things one says now, it might be a better idea to consider what one says on an ongoing basis. What each person is at peace with in terms of their conduct is completely up to them to decide.
So if you feel like "anything is fair game in baseball discussion" and you're at peace with yourself on that and don't regret anything personal you may have said about Kennedy or any other player for that matter, then honestly... I don't think anything SportySpice or I said was even directed at you. :)
by still bills kingdom on
Nov 24, 2007 10:18 PM PST
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My take:
My take is that some players feed off the negative comments aimed at their opponents, and use them to achieve more.
My take is no matter what we said here about anyone over the past few years, it didn't impact their lives one iota beyond a moment of "hey, fuck you" or "I guess maybe I shouldn't swing at outside junk."
People die. It happens, and it sucks when it does, but if we honestly think that the ramblings we post here matter one speck, that they contribute or prevent or influence that course in any way, we're fooling ourselves.
If people want to second guess themselves, so be it, but nothing I said this year about Kennedy the player was proved wrong in hindsight, and I wouldn't hesitate in repeating any of it since his passing. I'd be surprised if anyone else would say differently about their own comments.
by Ozzz on
Nov 26, 2007 9:43 AM PST
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Kennedy's month on the A's calendar
He's the player on the November page of the "Players and Pets" calendar.
by AlamedaAphid on
Nov 23, 2007 3:18 PM PST
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In case something happens tonight,
I just want to say that Scott Boras is a great guy - top notch!
by Nico on
Nov 23, 2007 4:51 PM PST
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Why weren't YOU saying this at the time?
Because you're wiser in hindsight?
Mourn Kennedy's passing, by all means, but don't take out your sorrow on strangers around you. It's classless, unnecessary, and the people you're haranguing don't need you poking them in the chest as they try to salute the lost.
by Ozzz on
Nov 24, 2007 3:11 PM PST
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Who are you speaking to here, HollywoodOz?
I don't think it's me (or if it is, then I really don't understand what you're trying to say), but I can't see who it might be.
by Nico on
Nov 24, 2007 5:44 PM PST
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Gah. Upstream.
That's what comes with holiday posting absences, I guess.
by Ozzz on
Nov 26, 2007 9:36 AM PST
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Ah, makes more sense now
by Nico on
Nov 26, 2007 5:34 PM PST
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R.I.P. Joe
Just heard about this- how strange and how sad. Best wishes to his family.
by still bills kingdom on Nov 23, 2007 2:30 PM PST 0 recs
:(
I am shocked to hear this... and very very sad. I have always liked Joe Kennedy and I have a game cap of his from his time with the Rockies. Got it signed his first week in Oakland :( He was very nice.
This is really unbeliveable.
by Melody on Nov 23, 2007 2:54 PM PST 0 recs
Farewell JFK*
God speed.
by 510inDenver on Nov 23, 2007 3:00 PM PST 0 recs
update
"Damon Lapa told ESPN.com that early indications are that the cause was either a brain aneurysm or a heart attack, although nothing is certain yet."
by xbhaskarx on Nov 23, 2007 3:51 PM PST 0 recs
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An autopsy was ordered because of the mysterious death.
"The best guess at this point is either a heart attack or a brain aneurysm," Lapa said. "The way he died was sudden. There is no reasonable explanation for what happened."
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Nov 23, 2007 3:51 PM PST
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At this point, though, Lapa's comments
seem like pure speculation - he's not a doctor, he's just a guy using logic and reason to make some initial guess. And really (though likely he was, understandbly, speaking without thinking clearly at the time), it was probably inappropriate for him to speculate this way, and to let a layman's "best guess" become a phrase fans would start throwing around. Best wishes to JK's family and friends; sigh.
by Nico on
Nov 23, 2007 4:39 PM PST
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Whoa, what?!
Very shocking and unnerving news. RIP, Joe Kennedy.
by danmerqury on Nov 23, 2007 3:55 PM PST 0 recs
I just saw that too
Many nice remembrances from Haren, Duchscherer, Geren, and Macha. It's sad to learn that not only did he have a one-year-old, but another baby on the way. I had just looked back at the diary from when Kennedy was claimed by the D-Backs, and found this comment I half-remembered from 0R0H0E about Kennedy saying goodbye to Huston in the bullpen and Huston being visibly moved.
by Englishmajor on
Nov 23, 2007 4:42 PM PST
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I was at that game too
I didn't know he had been traded yet. I saw Joe run off the field smiling. Reading that comment later put it into perspective for me. It put into perspective his impact on the other players. He was loved by his friends. Despite the fact that he angered me at times. As Paul McCartney once sang "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." Cheesy, but true.
God Bless and hold you Joe Kennedy.
by mlleaimee on
Nov 24, 2007 10:10 AM PST
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It is a really touching story
Except one part that just pisses me off (maybe I'm just mad because the news is so tragic):
Assistant GM David Forst said, "We are deeply saddened and shocked to hear of Joe's passing. He was a valued teammate and friend to everyone with the A's organization. On behalf of the entire A's organization, we extend our condolences to Joe's wife, Jami, and his entire family."
"Canned press release statement" enough for you? The guy pitched for you for parts of 3 seasons and you can't muster up a sentence that doesn't come up on the first page of a Google search for "condolences"? Ugh.
The rest of the story, though, is beautiful and reminds one of what it means to lose someone from your community - be it your family, circle of friends, or baseball team. Just really sad.
by Nico on
Nov 23, 2007 4:47 PM PST
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-1 about Forst
I have no problem with the Forst quote.
He's not a personal friend like Haren or Duchscherer. They're the ones who should be telling the personal stories, and they are.
In Billy's absence, Forst is the spokesman for the organization. He was called upon to have a response, so he made a statement that is kind and is respectful and expresses what everyone in the organization is feeling. Maybe it sounds a little generic to you, but what else can you say at a time like this?
I think Forst did just fine, and I don't see any reason to be pissed off at him.
by iglew on
Nov 23, 2007 7:04 PM PST
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On behalf of AN, I am deeply saddened
to hear of your "-1" reaction to my previous comment. You are a valued member of AN and a friend to everyone in the AN community. On behalf of the entire AN organization, we extend our regret to you and your entire family.
And that comes spontaneously from the heart.
by Nico on
Nov 23, 2007 8:47 PM PST
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On the one hand I agree with Nico...
...that it sounds canned and generic, and it's pretty much word-for-word what every organization says in times like this, but...
...I also agree with you... what can they say, really?
by UncleLeo on
Nov 23, 2007 11:05 PM PST
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Better quote from Forst
in the CC Times story linked below.
Seems pretty obvious what happened. The Chron reporters weren't able to reach Forst by phone. All they got was the canned press release with his name on the bottom. They were in a rush to get the story out, so they used it.
The CC Times reported filed later and were able to actually speak to Forst directly.
by iglew on
Nov 24, 2007 4:45 AM PST
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Taking it a step further, perhaps
"All they got was the canned press release with his name on the bottom. They were in a rush to get the story out, so they used it" even means there is a canned "reaction to death" statement to fax if no one can be reached yet for comment.
That's how it came across to me and it's what I reacted to. So maybe I'm not upset at Forst - sorry, David, you're probably a swell guy - but rather at the use of a generic statement to sit in for a human comment. Forst's quote in the CC Times is more what I would hope for - something that sounds like it came from a human being, not the same exact paragraph sitting on the shelf of every corporation, filed under "D for "Death Reactions".
I hate that generic paragraph. I'm terrified Blez will run it on AN the day I'm mauled by an angry herd of goats. I just want a simple, "Nico, an AN writer, administrator, and bestiality specialist, was mauled today by a herd of goats. Herd of goats? Who hasn't?" I'd like to hear Forst say THAT with a somber expression on his face.
by Nico on
Nov 24, 2007 10:56 AM PST
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It would be interesting to ask Su Slu
or John Shea why they chose to run that quote. Surely they were aware that it was a product of the press office and not actually Forst speaking directly. If they were unable to get a proper comment, why not just leave it out?
Reread that story and take out the two sentences from Forst. It still reads just fine. Why not leave it out?
Is there some rule of newspaper journalism that says a crummy quote is better than no quote at all? (Yes, I suppose there probably is....)
by iglew on
Nov 24, 2007 5:26 PM PST
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Exactly, mdl - as I said in my initial comment,
I thought that with the exception of the Forst quote, the article was really touching. I wish they had left the Forst "quote" out, as it added nothing - it was just a generic, and not sincere, sounding "byte" right in the middle of some really personal, sincere, and emotional comments. Had the Chron article had the Forst quote that was in the CC Times, it would have fit in fine. But far better to run nothing from "the A's front office" instead of what they ran.
by Nico on
Nov 24, 2007 5:43 PM PST
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All right, I'll buy that
I read your initial comment as saying the press release was bad and blaming Forst for letting his name be attached to it.
Rereading, I see that you didn't really say that. Just that it pissed you off to see it there in the article.
by iglew on
Nov 24, 2007 8:34 PM PST
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Exactly. As I read the article, it felt like
Moving tribute...Touching story...Emotional memory..."Pursuant to the events relating to Joe Kennedy, hereafter referred to as 'The Deceased,' such events occurring on or about this morning, condolences are hereby offered forthwith to persons including, but not limited to, family and friends of The Deceased"...Touching story...Moving tribute...Emotional memory...
It just felt icky.
by Nico on
Nov 24, 2007 8:43 PM PST
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kennedy left the organization on bad terms
bashing the front office on his way out the door, telling the media they got rid of him because they're cheap and not based on his performance (bb/9 > k/9), only to then get booted off the d-backs and blue jays based on his lousy performance.
yes, this is a "typical" condolences press statement, but it's not like they said anything but positive things about the guy.
would the angels send a non-canned press release if jose guillen died?
would the blue jays send a non-canned press release if shea hillenbrand died?
by xbhaskarx on
Nov 24, 2007 2:03 PM PST
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It wouldn't be hard to say something like,
"Our hearts go out to his family and friends. 28 is too young," or something like that. Honest, fair.
by Nico on
Nov 24, 2007 2:57 PM PST
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comparisons don't hold
In addition to the fact that Kennedy's DFA wasn't prompted by an actual fight with Bob Geren, those teams you mentioned are way further removed from those respective players than the A's were from Kennedy; they wouldn't be expected to issue any sort of statements. Guillen hasn't played with the Angels since 2004, and has played for two different teams since; Hillenbrand played for the Jays in 2006, but is three teams removed from them (SF and both LAs...judging by the California pattern, he's due for a signing with the A's, apparently). I don't think anyone's asking the Devil Rays for their take on Kennedy's passing; why would one ask for those teams' opinions if those guys were to die?
Even if they did, I trust the organizations in question would be classy enough to say something that overlooked the disagreements that are dwarfed by death. The Angels' offense has never really recovered since losing Guillen and Glaus post-2004; I know that for a fact as an A's fan. As for Hillenbrand, it would be likely that a teammate who was a holdover from 2006 would be sought for comment, most likely a friend from the team. You see Haren's quotes here because he was a friend of Kennedy's; the equivalent is what you would likely get if the Angels/Blue Jays were for some reason pressed for comment about a hypothetical death to a former metaphorical cancer. That last sentence illustrates how far the issue is being stretched here....
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Nov 25, 2007 1:00 AM PST
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I'm completely shocked
My friend just called me and told me and I think I said "what?" about 10 times. I can't believe it. He was so young and it was so out of no where :( I hope his friends and family are doing OK. RIP Joe :(
by drmmerchk on Nov 23, 2007 5:22 PM PST 0 recs
Honor Joe
I was just blown away. He was too young. I hope that the A's honor him next year, he deserves to be. I will really miss him. My prayers will be with his family.
by billyball1981 on Nov 23, 2007 5:49 PM PST 0 recs
Just terribly sad
Shocking and sad.
Condolences to his family. I hope his former teammates can find a way to remember and honor him, and to stay in touch with his wife and kids. It sure seems like they'll want to do that.
by Nick on Nov 23, 2007 5:59 PM PST 0 recs
RIP Joe
I'm guilty of being highly critical of Joe earlier this season, and a tragedy like this puts it all into perspective, that they're just playing a game, and trying their best and are human... so we should think before we totally shred a guy like many of us did RIP Joe... I'm praying that his son can live in his fathers memory and hopefully we can see him in the big leagues sometime around 2028.
by spartan21 on
Nov 23, 2007 7:35 PM PST
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Definitely just awful news
I heard about it this morning on KNBR when I was calling in to speak with M. Urban. The first thing I thought to myself was, "WTF?!!!!"
Ya know, it never ceases to amaze me when someone that you don't even know personally, suudunly passes away, and then you say to your self, "Man, I am so thankful for all of the great things that I have in my life to live for. "
JK was never my favorite ballplayer and he definitely endured plenty of abuse on this site.........however, I would just like to say that, "I'm going where the cold winds don't blow.........don't want to be treated this old way." -Robert Hunter
RIP Mr. Kennedey
by mrod on Nov 23, 2007 7:34 PM PST 0 recs



