DLD Monday 11/19/07: AN observes World Toilet Day
It's not just any old Monday. It's November 19, the 7th annual World Toilet Day, as sponsored by the Singapore-based World Toilet Organization (thanks, Englishmajor, for the link).
World Toilet Day has been declared to be on the 19th of November each year.
The purpose of having this day is to have people in all countries to take action, increase awareness of toilet user’s right to a better toilet environment, and to demand for it from toilet owners. As such, it is also the toilet user’s duty to contribute towards its maintenance, cleanliness and hygiene. The public marks the day to practice toilet etiquette, the restroom community-at-large celebrates with a new declaration for the forthcoming year.
For many people in the world, the subject of toilet availability is no laughing matter:
International statistics (WHO and UNICEF 2000; WHO and UNICEF 2004) indicates that over 2.6 billion people in the world today are without any form of "improved sanitation". The real situation is even worse: the statistics include toilets that are so bad, or shared by so many people that it cannot be regarded as "improved sanitation".
Since you have Internet access, I'm going to assume that you are not among those 2.6 billion underprivileged and unfortunate people. As such, you may be thinking of upgrading your existing facilities. Just in time for the holiday season, Toshiba is rolling out the all-new SCS S-510:

Toshiba Consumer Marketing Corp, with headquarters in Tokyo, will release a bidet-style toilet (a toilet with a water nozzle) equipped with a newly-developed instantaneous water heater Nov 23, 2007.
The lid automatically opens and closes when a sensor is tripped. And it is also possible to open and close the seat by using a remote control so that users do not have to touch the seat at all.
In addition, the toilet is equipped with a variable-speed deodorizing fan motor, whose "speedy deodorizing" function blows three times as much air as normal.
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Raiders fans might enjoy hearing Bill's call of the Stabler/Casper "Holy Roller" play in San Diego in 1978. A 13-minute recording, which includes the description of the earlier Raiders touchdown in the 4th quarter of that game and then Bill's call of the entire final scoring drive, is linked from this page.
That Bay Area Radio Museum website is fun to surf when you have the time. There are a lot of old recordings...the full hour of the Dr. Don Rose show on KFRC from the day when Nixon resigned is a fun listen, ads included ("6400 Mission Street, Top of the Hill, Daly City!").
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The Arizona Fall League season was completed on Saturday. The Phoenix Desert Dogs, the team to which the A's contribute players, won the championship for the fourth straight year by knocking off the Surprise Rafters, 7-2. The box score shows that Cliff Pennington went 3-for-5 in the championship game with 2 runs scored and 2 stolen bases(!). Over the AFL season, Pennington batted .241 (14-for-58) in 23 games, but drew 18 bases on balls giving him a team-leading .410 OBP. Looking at the rest of the Desert Dogs' season statistics, James Simmons made 9 relief appearances, giving up 7 hits and 3 walks (1.07 WHIP) while striking out 8. Jeff Baisley and Jeff Gray struggled in AFL play.
The MVP awards will be announced this week. Joe Posnanski discussed in his Friday blog entry why Baseball Writers' Association of America members may have to stop voting on Cy Young, MVP, etc. (Blame Curt Schilling!)
Speaking of awards, the one recently won by University of Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick is a doozy:

(I'm late to that party; the ESPN screenshot was on a lot of sports blogs over the weekend, including Deadspin and Awful Announcing.)
On to your links and comments in 30 seconds, but first, if you please, a word from our AN World Toilet Day sponsor:
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109 comments
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World toilet day!
Not that anyone else gives a shit.
by alox on Nov 19, 2007 6:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
World Toilet Day in the Dump.
How appropriate.
Hey, monkeyball! Use a toilet, huh?
by salb918 on Nov 19, 2007 7:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But I do!
It's the Toshiba SalPants918.
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know when Spring Training tix go on sale?
I thought I'd seen a date somewhere (December something?), but now I can't find it on the A's site anymore.
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 7:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cactus League scheduling
is probably dependent on the Dodgers-Padres series in China being finalized. Apparently the plan is for the Dodgers, upon their return to the U.S., to come back to the A's facility in Phoenix and play in the Cactus League for a week or so, rather than returning to Vero Beach.
by Soaker on Nov 19, 2007 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone watch "Dexter"?
[thud]
Lila is one crazy bitch.
by Jennifer on Nov 19, 2007 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
<crickets cheeping>
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
:(
It is such an awesome show. Who knew serial killing could be so entertaining/hot?
by Jennifer on Nov 19, 2007 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Bundy?
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That'll be the day.
BTW, I think crickets "chirp."
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
~Let's call the whole thing off...~
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crickets chirping?
What channel is showing that?
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 19, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivera to re-sign with Yanks
Ho-hum. I include that mostly so that I can say speaking of Rivera, you might want to watch The Walk-Off again. Marco! (sniff)

by Englishmajor on Nov 19, 2007 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Finally. Sound, useful scientific information.
Now I know how to advise my son in his quest to live to at least age 100...
Checklist:
- Be born to a mom under 25 years of age (done)
- Don't be fat (done)
- Be a farmer (start by watering plants on apartment balcony)
- Breed like crazy (but not yet)
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I go to Nevada...
by RenoTy on Nov 19, 2007 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zips for the Angels
here. They'll score fewer runs next year I think. Figgins will do a lot worse, and they'll be left with just Vlad and Kotchman and not much else.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah but those bastards
always seem to outperform their projections...
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm proud to say I've contributed.
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Garland to Angels for Cabrera
by hillofbeanes on Nov 19, 2007 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
your Angels news is way more interesting than
mine.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they might be getting tejada......
ugh if so.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be a setup
for another move. On the face of it, it doesn't really make much sense.
Still doesn't make any sense for the White Sox. Honestly, I wonder sometimes if Kenny Williams even remembers what he did a week ago (in this case, resign Juan Uribe). Mind-boggling to think that he believes they can be competitive with their current roster.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do my best to forget if
I resigned juan uribe.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Other fun Angels news
They lost an apparently kind of good pitcher to the Rangers, when they announced they were adding him to the 40 man roster but didn't do the paperwork right or something. haha.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Warner Madrigal?
I never even heard her madrigal!
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we have to figure out
what Warner Madrigal is an anagram of....
by Englishmajor on Nov 19, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Warm and larger I
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marginal Reward
I Rewarm Garland
Drawing Real Arm
Drama Wrangler I
Award Ranger Mil (his contract negotiation)
Arrange Wild Arm (Rangers' counter-negotiation)
Drawl "Arraign me."
Anal Rewarm Grid (the bullpen bench gets cold)
Danger! Warm Rail (sort of like on BART)
Warn Married Gal,
Randier Gal Warm
(let the wife know your mistress is ready)
Glad Mariner War (happy to be staying in the ALWest)
Drag Marlin Wear (pink Florida jerseys for men)
Nag Laird "Rewarm!" (Gerald demoted to bullpen catcher)
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I rewarm Garland?
The Angels get rid of this guy... and subsequently trade for Jon Garland.
That's little short of freaky.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so their next move is to trade for gerald laird?
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should nag them about it.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we re-examine all the A's anagrams,
looking for transaction clues.
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Rich Harden" anagrams to "Ranch Hider"
Trade him for George W. Bush!
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd Carr steps down ...
... as Wolverines' coach.
Say what you will about his record against That School Down South -- he's a Class Act.
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 9:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Set your Tivos everyone!
Frank TV premieres tomorrow night!
by Rocktopus on Nov 19, 2007 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hell, they showed so many previews, what's left t
to show. I hope noone watches it, and it only goes one episode. I heard his show is the reason for the strike. A WGA spokesperson writes,"If one show is that bad, we shouldn't ever write anymore."
by theblackpearl on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazon launches new wireless e-book device thingi
its called Kindle. Looks kinda cool, but not sure if it will be successful. 400 bucks is a little steep for a device like this.
Saw this little nugget and decided to post.
by pickinmachine on Nov 19, 2007 11:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Whipple Died today
on World Toilet Day, ironically.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...
In memory of Mr. Whipple, we ask that you honor his life with a moment of refraining from squeezing the Charmin.
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
...appeared as various characters on "Hogan's Heroes,""The Bob Newport Show," and Walt Disney productions.
The Bob who Show?
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too--That has to be a tpyo
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a-rod MVP
not unanimous because magglio ordonez got two first place votes from people who deserve to be fired.
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ordonez did have a great season
i wonder if the two votes are from the detroit area...
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those two voters
were probably Yankees fans.
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 19, 2007 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those two voters
were indeed Tigers beat writers.
The only two first-place votes that didn't go to Rodriguez were from Tom Gage of The Detroit News and Jim Hawkins of The Oakland Press in Pontiac, Mich.
How predictable.
by Philip Christy on Nov 19, 2007 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I shouldn't be surprised that some Yankees' fans
boo him, but I still am.
2 MVP awards in 4 years with the team.
Yeah, he sucks.
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he won this year's Pepsi Clutch Award
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who got the JohnnyCat Grit Award?
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i had an IM conversation with a yankees fan
from law school back in the spring (when a-rod already had 15 home runs, one more than jeter in his supposed mvp season the year before). a smart guy making the typical "not a true yankee" comments, i had to save it:
: with all due respect to his torrid start, Arod is a pansy, and will continue to choke when it matters.
: you're a smart person, pure "numbers" don't mean anything. It's the intangibles that win championships (see Jeter's relay tag against the A's)
: - you can take your stats, and your analysis- and hug them in october when you have no one left to root for.
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
C,WAYA!
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, suddenly
the state of our legal system makes perfect sense to me.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lionel Hutz, Jr.?
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, he's a lawyer AND a Yankees fan?
Fill in the blank.
by McFood on Nov 19, 2007 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bad speller?
by oblique on Nov 19, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My reaction to your critique...
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/douche
by McFood on Nov 19, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deutsch bag?

by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of paper bags ...
... since Ross Mirkarimi has decided that I can no longer get free plastic bags when I shop at the grocery, I am going to train my cats to walk down to City Hall and do their business in Supe Mirkarimi's office.
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and my dog, for that matter
You don't want to know how much poop a 105-pound Great Dane generates,
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Solution?
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by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't they toilet-trained?
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Supes?
Hardly.
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the problem
They are box-trained indoor cats, and I rely on Safeway and Cala for an endless supply of free litter bags.
And, yes, when I fill each bag, I personally helicopter it 1000 miles out to sea and drop it in the Great Pacific Litterbox. Then I chortle and twist the ends of my moustache.
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want
I can get you all the plastic bags you want from CoCo County.....we don't care about the environment...or maybe we just don't care about stupid laws like restricting the bags that are available in a seven square mile area....
by gigglingone on Nov 19, 2007 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tsk.
Ole Miss football players stealing from hotels.
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...you say "priorities"and I say...
"It appears the players will be allowed to play Friday at Mississippi State in the final game of the season."
So, probation will start after the final game of the season?
"This is at least the fourth disciplinary action Orgeron has taken this season. He reinstated Greg Hardy last week after suspending the defensive end for two games. Offensive linemen Corey Actis and John Jerry were docked starts. Orgeron has said in those cases team rules were broken, not the law."
So, let me get this sraight: If you break the law, you get proabation, but can still play, but if you do something really serious, like break team rules, then you get suspended or have starts docked. Ok, got it.
kthxbai
by McFood on Nov 19, 2007 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not michael oher, i hope?
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps NSFCGV ...
But this is yet another fascinating chapter in the blogotriumphalist march against MSM sports coverage. Among other things.
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bill King .ram file
Lousy sound quality and the "handshake that never lets go" with Real Audio. No thanks. Too bad you could not use a .wav format. Is size really an issue here, or ???
by One won lost won on Nov 19, 2007 2:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Two worst decisions of my life:
- Downloading real player to listen to gameday audio when that was the only option in '02.
- Downloading ESPN motion because I wanted to watch some fight or other.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oakland 4th most dangerous US city
richmond 9th. san jose falls from safest city to third safest.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_750509...
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chant it with me....
FRE-MONT! FRE-MONT! FRE-MONT! FRE-MONT!
by BWH on Nov 19, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Query.
In addition, the Toshiba toilet is equipped with a variable-speed deodorizing fan motor, whose "speedy deodorizing" function blows three times as much air as normal.
Well excuse me, but how do they presume to know how much air I "normally" blow?
by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well we at AN, know your full of hot Air.
:)
by theblackpearl on Nov 19, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a religious experience.

by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Oakland A's Mailbag is now posted,
by theblackpearl on Nov 19, 2007 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
<shudder>
...quite a few people in and around the game are absolutely convinced that Bonds was going to be in green and gold in 2008 if he got through the offseason unscathed.
by Poppy on Nov 19, 2007 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll say it again
i'm not sure why the indictment matters at all, except that the a's should now be able to get bonds even cheaper...
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't the indictment mean...
Bonds will be too busy for baseball once the trial starts? I have no clue how long the trial is expected to be. But if he's convicted, it could be kind of a hassle for him to get much playing time. Baseball furlough? ;)
by Poppy on Nov 20, 2007 6:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What we learn from this:
Oh, and some nameless scout thinks Murphy sucks. I have news for you, nameless scout: Crosby sucks, too. More than Murphy. It's hard to see how the A's could be more "exposed" than starting him for 100 games in a season.
In the land of the blind, etc. etc.
I understand why he and SuSlu wanted the A's to resign Scutaro-- he's a good character and probably a pretty easy interview-- but sometimes you need to distinguish between team needs and personal wishes.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"He thinks the A's are trading for Tejada"
and yet we're not allowed to say that mychael urban is an idiot?
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just read it and tejada wasn't mentioned
where did you get that from?
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to PT,
I think he was lampooning Mr. Urban in that part (certainly he was in the rest). Myke thinks that the Scutaro trade means "an infielder of note" is on the way. Putting aside the fact that trading Scutaro doesn't mean that at all: to the extent that Urban thinks "an infielder of note" will be sought after, Tejada is as plausible as anything.
But the point is: trying to follow Myke's logic is a fool's errand.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2007 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i get it, i missed that part
WAIT, urban's mailbag was posted like seven hours after the angels traded orlando cabrera... and he thinks an infielder of note is on his way to the a's?
by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2007 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a series of inferences
Well, apart from the "old scout" bit. That was just me making fun of old scouts.
But the other two were pretty easy to draw. He thinks Bonds and Cust are mutually exclusive, thus he thinks the A's will play Buck and Swish in the corners. And he thinks the A's will trade for an infielder of note, and really the only one who's on the block is Tejada.
I'm actually not one of the extreme Urban haters, but this was not his finest hour. He seems to think Harden+Crosby would be enough to land Tejada. I think that's ridiculous.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers favorites to land Cabrera
The Angels no longer are the front-runners for Miguel Cabrera.
The Dodgers stand a better chance of acquiring Cabrera from the Marlins, major-league sources say, if they are willing to part with outfielder Matt Kemp along with third baseman Andy LaRoche and Class AA left-hander Clayton Kershaw.
Please oh please. Wouldn't an offseason where the Angels whiff on Cabrera, Bonds, and A-Rod be nice? Now all that's left is for Miguel Tejada to be eaten by a shark.
by salb918 on Nov 19, 2007 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Baltimore will trade him to Anaheim
...Ducks.
True fact: Did you know that Tom Glavine was picked over Luc Robitaille in the hockey draft?
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2007 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine as a hockey player
Do you think if Glavine had been a hockey player he would have consistently hit his slapshot 6 inches outside of the goal only to have the referee call it a goal? Good thing Glavine picked baseball.
by BlameChannel53 on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. +1
by McFood on Nov 20, 2007 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's very funny
how in baseball, a sport with almost no subjective calls, theoretically objective things like the strike zone become amorphous.
Apparently "judgment calls" are like Jews. If they don't exist, the umpires have to invent them.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2007 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a Borat quote I missed?
...or maybe Big Lebowski (he said, hoping there's some redeeming pop culture reference in that post)?
by The Dogfather on Nov 20, 2007 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My classical education is failing me
The original quote was something along the lines of "If Europe had not had the Jews, it would have had to invent them." I can't seem to find a reference to the quote, though. I thought it was either Max Weber or Karl Marx who said it.
Anyone?
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2007 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Per a google search, various internetizens ...
... attribute the phrase to Hitler or Goebbels.
In other words, who knows?
by The Dogfather on Nov 20, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's impossible
The phrase implies the exact opposite of the Nazi philosophy. I.e. that there was nothing inherent about Jewish culture or heritage which constructed them as bankers, merchants, etc., but rather their economic position was a semi-inevitable consequence of their social position.
Whereas Nazism held that Jews were an inherently evil and subhuman group which existed to disrupt and torment Christian society.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their point appears to be that Hitler needed ...
... a scapegoat for various social woes, and if "The Jews" hadn't been available, he'd have demonized some other minorities (of course, he did also attempt to annihilate others -- it was a bad Reich for gypsies, gays, folks with disabilities and various other non-Aryans, as well).
I had always heard that phrase used in the scapegoat frame, which accounts for my confusion. Apparently you meant differently, per your recent post.
by The Dogfather on Nov 20, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its derivative
from Voltaire's "If God did not exist it would have been necessary to invent him", which has become one of those forms that keeps being reused with different subjects.
by green star oakland on Nov 20, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Candygram for Senor Tejada...

by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do they still have those?
by salb918 on Nov 19, 2007 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's available...

by The Dogfather on Nov 19, 2007 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New terrorist cells
Coordinated suicide attacks on American power grids
by Poppy on Nov 20, 2007 8:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Colbert's on it, despite the strike ...

In other news, I can't believe you posted that in a DLD from way back last yesterday.
by The Dogfather on Nov 20, 2007 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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