This is the time for what? For individual achievement.
... but I get nowhere unless the team wins.
This is my feeling regarding postseason awards for individual players:
I don't care if it's the MVP, the Cy Young, the Rolaids Relief Award, the Dr. Scholl's Innings-Eater Award, the Al Franken Left-Handed Comic Relief Award, the Countrywide Financial Good Money After Bad Sunk Cost Contract Award, the Gold Glove, the Silver Slugger, the Titanium Spork, or the Polonium-210 Poison Bat Award.
I don't care if the award is voted on by coaches, players, beat writers, bloggers, certified public accountants, dogcatchers, or the audience of Dancing With the Stars via text-messaging.
I just. Don't. Care.
Sure, sure -- baseball is, as Bobby D-as-Al C says in the clip above, a sequence of opportunities for individual achievement. And statistical analysis clearly indicates that the best way to amalgamate those opportunities into wins is by accumulating recognized individual achievers.
But, as with so many other things in life, that individual achievement without context, without a larger purpose, is meaningless. < cough > Bonds in 2007 <cough>
I don't mean that in any moral sense, necessarily. And I certainly do appreciate short-term and long-term individual player achievements.
I just think that once the season's done, it's done. One team won, 29 teams lost (for whatever set of vagaries and improbabilities). Postseason awards are merely gnawing on the already-round-ended soup bones.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Recognition in any line of work is meaningful.
I certainly wish those who voted upon them would do so more responsibly, but I enjoy following them, nonetheless.
by jeepers on Nov 10, 2007 10:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But what will we argue about?
by salb918 on Nov 10, 2007 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of argument...
Ok, salb, just for you:
I'll say that the individual accomplishments are, in fact, MORE important than team achievements. So maybe the Giants were a total non-entity this year (and seem to have promised to do the same next year with the fat contract they gave to Vizquel). Still, how many people came to see Barry go for the record? How much did someone pay for the ball? The fact is, no one cared much whether or not his team would go on to win it all. And really, that's the way it should be.
The A's as a story this year were much less interesting than watching the rise and achingly slow decline of Dan Haren out of Cy Young contention. Mark Ellis's solid year was something to enjoy. The injury struggles of many of our other players were also captivating, if also frustrating. What about the Jack Cust story? If that wasn't storybook....
Also, since I'm playing devil's advocate, I might as well go all the way and claim that the whole team thing is overrated. Some GM whose name escapes me is often quoted as saying that the playoffs are a crap shoot- sure, as monkeyball said, one wins and 29 lose, but to what extent does that reflect true ability? The real storylines of the year are the personal ones: Matt Holliday finally fully getting his act together and bashing his way to an apparent MVP; Braun vs. Tulo for NL ROY; exciting debuts from Buck, Matsuzaka, Okajima, and Pedroia; the amazing transformation of Rick Ankiel from starter to slugger to druggie....
As final evidence I submit one fact: when the loathsome A-Rod pompously declared free-agency during the fourth game of the super-dull World Series, who listened? Everyone, that's who.
by BerkeleyDawg on Nov 10, 2007 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait,
but in real life, that guy gets another $250 million instead of getting his head bashed in.
I also don't care about these awards. I don't really care about the Hof either.
by mikeA on Nov 10, 2007 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
actually, given his performance @ the Post Office
... I think he gets traded to the Cubs and then has to go begging for a new job in the offseason.
by monkeyball on Nov 10, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I care a lot about MVP and Cy Young....
These are awards which go back with the history of baseball and mean a lot to the players who receive the awards. Truly a special achievement. Rookie of the Year is also cool to honor the young guys who have worked so hard to get to this level.
Manager, Comeback, Silver Slugger....Don't care or pay attention, but the big ones mean a lot to me and they defintely mean a lot to the guys who play the game.
by OaktownPower on Nov 10, 2007 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care who wins
but I enjoy reading the debates and the analysis of who should win.
Similarly with the HOF.
by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever gets you through the night
And for me, there is no night longer or darker than the long dark night that is the offseason. Once there are games to watch, I won't remember or care who won an award this winter, but reading or hearing about these meaningless contests is better than reading or hearing about football for me. I do find the awards that have a strong, tacky commercial tie-in to be less credible than others.
by Englishmajor on Nov 10, 2007 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
More interesting in retrospect, I think
Like rfloh, I do enjoy the debate portion. But I think the awards are most useful when looking back from a distance at a player's career. I'm thinking of Barry Zito here; his 2002 Cy Young is a reminder that he once was legitimately regarded as one of the very best pitchers in baseball.
by Soaker on Nov 10, 2007 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Call me when batting average
doesn't influence the gold glove and I'll pay closer attention. That's my official position on how meaningful the awards are.
by Nico on Nov 10, 2007 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I pay attention because I like to bitch.
(Or because I like to, bitch.)
by Poppy on Nov 11, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how one comma
can turn a self-reflective analysis into a CGV.
Tomorrow: The apostrophe!
by Nico on Nov 11, 2007 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The colon can do some amazing things, too.
by Poppy on Nov 11, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes: It can
<cleanses colon>
by Nico on Nov 11, 2007 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmm...soup bones! n/t
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 10, 2007 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cy and MVP should be annouced
before the fall classic.
It is pathetic to see award like the Pepto Bismo Pitcher's release of the season come out when no one cares about baseball.
Who would have thought away-from-game tennis would have much more interesting story lines than away-from-game baseball?
by oaklandSMASH on Nov 10, 2007 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But that's exactly why they do it
The award announcements are made in November to put some baseball headlines on the sports page at a time of year when otherwise there is no reason whatsoever why any baseball news would appear.
by Soaker on Nov 10, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
If you "appreciate short-term and long-term individual player achievements", and don't mean "individual achievement without context, without a larger purpose, is meaningless" in any moral sense, why was Bonds' 2007 season meaningless? Because he hit #756 while playing on a losing team?
That doesn't really add up. Unless:
1] you do mean it in a moral sense.
2] you don't think any individual feat achieved while playing for a non-World Series winning team is meaningful
3] I am totally misunderstanding everything, due to my hyper-caffeinated state and preoccupation with trying to think of the last movie Brian De Palma made that didn't suck.
Whatever the case, I will say that employing "amalgamate" and "accumulate" in the same sentence kind of ruled, and totally overshadows any issues relating to analytical coherence.
by 74mk on Nov 10, 2007 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of individual awards...
...but like Nico I don't like the criteria that many of the voters use to select them...and they should, like the NFL and NBA, announce them just before or during the postseason. Otherwise, it's like the Pro Bowl -- a mere afterthought.
I guess it's better than having an awards show a la the NHL...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 10, 2007 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Varying degrees of satisfaction
- The most important thing is the A's getting to the post season and, subsequently, how far they advance. If the A's aren't in the hunt, the season becomes depressing.
- That's when I turn to individual growth like 1st half Dan Haren or 1st 1/3 Chad Gaudin, "diamonds in the rough" like Cust or Shannon Stewart and, of course, young players fulfilling expectations like Buck and Barton. That eases some of the pain and infuses some somewhat soothing hope into an otherwise unpleasant year. I can't tell you how much Matt Stairs, Geronimo Berroa and Ben Grieve helped me get through some tough years.
- Individual awards are nice because they give the A's some national attention and get them in the east coast dominated "conversation". This was probably more important in the early 2000s when Giambi and then Tejada won MVPs to help vault the "overachieving" A's into that "conversation". But . . .
The awards themselves are to be taken with a grain of salt considering the subjectivity involved and the bizarre criteria that the media members who vote on these awards ascribe. Not to mention how the specific bizarre criteria varies from voter-to-voter.
What is the criteria for an MVP? Would Chavez have had a chance in hell to win his first Gold Glove without his good offensive numbers? Would he have been able to win his 6th with his crappy offensive numbers without having won the first several? When I was 11, I thought the fact that Walt Weiss won the ROY was an indication that he'd be a star. When Bobby Crosby won his, it meant very little considering the competition.
So the awards feel good, but it's sort of hollow because I know better than to ascribe any significance as it relates to the team's ability to get into the post-season. Kind of like eating a candy bar when you're feeling sluggish.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Nov 10, 2007 11:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OT but . . .
. . . that poll feature is terrific. Can you or anyone else tell me how to access that for poll/survey taking in other settings? Many thanks.
by camperdog on Nov 11, 2007 8:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
SoS from me here.
What I dislike is not the concept of the awards, but their "monetization" -- that is, when they are really just a vehicle for the sponsor to collect names and addresses of voters, for some ulterior commercial purpose (Cf. Viagra Comeback Player -- what's next, the Enzyte Home Run Derby Long-and-Deep Award?).
MLB doesn't know when to stop with the commercialization. Cheapening the awards to the point where fans won't vote who don't have adequate spam-killers is way past that point. They lose credibility, and then fans don't vote, and then sponsors won't sponsor, and then...
...Monkeytopia!.
by The Dogfather on Nov 12, 2007 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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