Open Thread: Playoffs Day 4
by monkeyball on Oct 6, 2007 2:49 PM PDT
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The Diamondbacks and Rockies attempt to close out the NL series in sweeps this afternoon/evening.
Arizona at Chicago 3:07 PT
Philadelphia at Colorado 6:37 PT
And no matter who you're rooting for (or against) today, it's nice to bask in the afterglow of sulK-Rod's 9th-inning implosion and the Yankees' bug-out.
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It's nice to contemplate a post season
scenario where the Angels and Yankees are swept out of the first round. In a perfect world the Red Sox are swept out of the ALCS.
I'd like to see the Rockies go all the way from that other league.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<sigh>
It's just like I dreamed.
A 'L' for Lackey, a 'L' for F-rod...it's like Christmas!
by baseballgirl on Oct 6, 2007 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than Christmas.
I'll spend all winter and spring gloating that the Angels season lasted exactly one week longer than ours.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
I am hoping I can tell one of my So Cal clients, "Hey my team won as many playoff games as yours did! Cool!"
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Division Champ != Pennant
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to TBS
Jason Kendall is a "big game" catcher. I'm wondering which big game they're talking about. But then, I suppose you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt. Especially when they continue to tout "Frank TV" as "Very Funny".
by DMOAS on Oct 6, 2007 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about
"Frank TV", but "Frank Commercials" have become "Frankly Annoying".
Since when does Byrnes hit third?
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Frank do Dane Cook? n/t
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird
as far as I know, he's never caught Mike Mussina..or Dennis Elkersley..
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I have no one to hate in the NL
Is it wrong of me just to root for both series to extend at least one more game?
(Especially since I am rooting for the opposite in the AL...for more reasons than one. The sooner the Angels are out the sooner I can hate Boston again... I couldn't sleep this morning and HBO had their Reverse of the Curse documentary on. Puke-dom.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can always hate the Giants.
I do. For no particularly good reason. It's not like they're a good team or likely to be one any time soon. But I still hate them. A lot.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not really.
I don't like Bonds the Giant. Bonds the baseball player I can respect talent wise. Bonds the man, I don't know, so I don't really have a personal opinion of him.
The Giants just rub me the wrong way. I wish I could articulate why I hate them as much as I do. Perhaps it's the city they play in, or I'm envious of the gem of a park they play in. All I'm sure of is that I really can't stand them.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for me it's the pompous look
on their fans' faces, no matter how well the team is doing.
After winning the first two in Oakland, a Giants fan, woman, mid-20's, decided to walk up and down the aisles and defiantly "apologize" to A's fans for not getting the sweep. Boy, did I want to trip her.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A jury of <i>your</i> peers
would never have convicted you.
by DMOAS on Oct 6, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me rephrase
What I meant alox was anyone in the NL that is still playing...whew.
Yes, we agree on that. When the A's play the Giants and there's Giants fans around me, I turn into a whole different person. No one is safe, men, women, very young or very old...if you are going to cheer your team, fine. Taunt? Not so good for you.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind the Indians winning the whole
thing. As long as the Giants aren't playing I have no problem with the NL winning the series.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny.
I've read a story of a manager (Pete Rose?) doing something like that in a real game. He had to make a show of protecting a young player less he loose confidence in his manager.
So him and the ump screamed pleasantries at each other for a while. I think the player may have been Paul O'Neil.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woo hoo jason got a single and didnt hit into a
double play
by smasfan on Oct 6, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
useless info to snore on
Least amount of total Divisional Series games in one post-season: 14 (three times, 1996, 1998, 2006)
Only twice have there been two first round sweeps in the same league (both in the NL): 1996, 1997
now back to Frank TV commercials
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like the Diamondbacks
are giving the Cubs some opportunities to score...and they still haven't taken advantage
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Derosa
Let's trade for him - he's obviously a True Athletic at heart.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Kendall taught him a few things
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you not
take one more pitch there?
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn't want to walk
and clog up the bases.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BYRNESIE!
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
eric byrnes comes through
foolshgame22 will post here in 3...2...1..
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 5:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ha ha...
I had just shut down the computer to go to my parents' house for dinner. Otherwise, you would have been correct. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 6, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
brynsie looked so funny when they put him slow-mo
by smasfan on Oct 6, 2007 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good post season for me so far
I wanted the LLLAAAAA Anti-Angels to lose, I wanted Lackey to get lit up, Annoying-as-hell-rod to blow a game, the Yankees to be embarassed, the Rockies to NOT be embarassed, and for the D-backs to help the Cubs continue their "woe is us" mantra. So far, so good.
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well shoot 0R0H0E
Where was that good karma during the regular season when we needed it? ;)
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dead, buried, non-existant?
Pick one. I guess I should say that I said when they DFA'd MB that we would end up 20 games back. I fortunately missed that call but sadly not by much.
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for playing cubbies
99 years and counting
1 playoff series win during that time.
Like the saying goes in Chi-town:
"Anyone can have a bad century"
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so if they lose tonight
does that make it 100? or does that make it 99?
by Amnesiac727 on Oct 6, 2007 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this makes 99
straight years that will end without a World Series title for the Cubs. (technically 98 since there was no Series in '94)
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Die Dane Cook Die!
by Amnesiac727 on Oct 6, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be damned, Cook was right
I flipped through my calendar and there really IS only ONE October!
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dane cook is wrong
i have one of those two-year calendars.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got me!
My new Raiderette calendar covers two Octobers!
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hung tough for three days
but finally surrendered today to the dual attack from Dane Cook and Frank TV. It's now the mute button plus the ESPN Radio broadcast on KNBR.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Miller
Jon Miller had a pretty good call of the bug situation in Cleveland yesterday. It was quite entertaining. Anybody else catch that?
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad for Miller
He was imprisoned with Dusty Baker, who kept saying stuff like "They need to get more baserunners on base".
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, wouldn't that just clog up the bases??
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you spell torture?
if this were the A's, I'd have thrown up on the person in front of me.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As the person in front of you
I'd appreciate it if you'd bring a bucket next year.
by DMOAS on Oct 6, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shite, it's Mr Creosote!
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got it!
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really can't get into this game. I guess I'd
like to see the Cubbies win one and it's apparently not in their Statement of Work, so I'll sit here and await the beginning of the Rockies game so I can get all teary-eyed when the Coolbaugh boys throw out the first pitch. At least I HOPE TBS shows that!
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nah... they won't show it
they'll start to, but then cut in with Big Frank... and unfortunately I don't mean Thomas.
by DMOAS on Oct 6, 2007 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, kapers
You didn't get a chance to get all misty-eyed on us! I am bummed they didn't show it as well.
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Wood is still alive?
Wow. That's news to me.
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Alive" and "pitching" are two
separate issues.
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice to see Byrnes
touching all the bases for a change
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Man, if I said that hasn't gone through my head tonight I'd be lying.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs =
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering that they were 66-96 last year
I don't see it quite that way, although I'm sure their fans and the Chicago media will.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the scans through the crowd
don't seem to be all gloom and doom...weird
(good point, Soaker)
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant *in this series*.
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes Jennifer...and done by the numbers...
How's this since 1908?
In 13 playoff series: 1-12
(World Series 0-7, LCS 0-3, LDS 1-2)
In 65 post-season games sine '08: 18-47
(World Series 9-28, LCS 6-11, LDS 3-8)
Only four series have gone the distance (one of hich they won), belying the theory that the Cubs lose in heartbreaking fashion.
No they don't, they just...LOSE
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kendall
Possibly playing the final inning of his career? He's such an "old 33"; I can't imagine anybody signing him as a primary catcher but he certainly could catch on with somebody as a backup (at much much less money than he's making now). But if he's interested in managing, this could be a great time to get started; maybe after managing in the minors plus doing some coaching in the big leagues for the next few years, he could have a big league manager's job before age 40. And I think he would be a fine manager...if that's a career path he'd like to take.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With that goatee
if he put on a beret he could get a job on MythBusters.
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think this may be the end
of his career? I would think a number of teams with young pitching would take him. I am amazed he is playing at all after destroying his ankle. That was one on the worst injuries I have ever seen. And with that, he strikes out.
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has caught 1625 games in his career
which, unless your name is Pudge Rodriguez or Gary Carter or Carlton Fisk, is a **LOT** of games to catch, and makes him an "old 33" (considering also his rapid offensive decline).
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kendall: Clutch Hitter
That's who I would want up in the 9th with the franchise on the line. (or not)
by louismg on Oct 6, 2007 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, like we haven't seen that before
Kendall K's looking
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty soon, he won't be either.
Poor Cubs. Go Byrnsie!
by louismg on Oct 6, 2007 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not anymore
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valverde is DEALING!
those were pretty strikes!
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
second Cub K's looking
this is your 2007 season....glub, glub...coming to an end.
At least Soriano is more likely to go down swinging...huh, awfully quickly too
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs lose Cubs lose Cubs lose
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately...
...he already won one -- it reads "1990." I won't go anymore into that.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 6, 2007 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was trying to forget that as well
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was us last year
sigh . . .. .
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i know-sitting here depressed thing of last year
by smasfan on Oct 6, 2007 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to quote the Cubs . . .
Just wait until next year!
by 0R0H0E on Oct 6, 2007 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or next century
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was Kendall last year and THIS year...ouch
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well at least pinella and the cubs
have carlos zambrano ready to pitch in game four, aka opening day 2008.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was glad when Beane got rid of him
(for Witasick and Kennedy, cough cough) and I was wrong. It's good to see him and the team doing so well.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's matured as a player
I saw him play quie a few times this past summer. The difference in his play is noticeable.
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more stat and I'll stop (collective AN cheer)
Arizona is only the fourth NL West team since the "new" playoff format (1995) to advance to the NLCS.
(Never has the NLCS been represented by two NL West teams in the same season...could happen this year)
The other three teams- 1998 Padres, '01 Diamondbacks, and '02 (team we hate the most)- went to the World Series.
I guess that's more than one stat.
Leaving for dinner soon, Go Rockies.
(even though my ex-gf will gloat on Monday...)
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
call me crazy
but the 'Backs seem to have what it takes to win it all.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that of the Rockies
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rox - D-backs NLCS
should be awesome
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...unless you're a network selling ad time n/t
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ubaldo Jimenez looks like the Dominican Kam Loe
by salb918 on Oct 6, 2007 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice swing, Rowand
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ENOUGH OF FRANKTV!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Farnk
would disappear into a black hole
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Frank, even
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And take DANE COOK with him!
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that Orvil Redenbacher
in the first photo with Dr. Jarvik?
by Jennifer on Oct 6, 2007 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else
think Moyer's perma-grin makes him look like the Joker?
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and the lights go out at coors field!
bug swarms, no lights, this is an entertaining postseason so far.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just means another chance to see Frank TV ad
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong!!! It was everyone's fav Dane Cook
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez:
"What? Play ball, c'mon!"
by Nico on Oct 6, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy carp
Stanford is only 6 points down to USC in the 4th quarter. In LA, no less.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happens tonight
we still have to win on Nov. 10 to get to where we want to be this season.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if we're number 1 on Monday
I'm printing it out and framing it.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touchdown!!!!
Hold the lead!
Go Florida!
Amazing.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TD Stanford!
49 seconds left.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AUGH!!!! So much for 30 point favorites
and they can say goodbye to 2nd place, even if they win
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the heck has happened to USC being
so dominating this season? I don't know why they were supposedly better than when they had Leinhart and Bush
Go Trojans!!
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies three up, three down
Rockies' starter is lights' out ;-)
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 7:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I. Hate. Dane. Cook.
Doest TBS have CGVs?
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
is stanford going to win?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
41 secs left
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it on TV?
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOund it about 15 seconds to late.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not over!!!!
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES IT IS!!
[looks for something red to wave around; has NOTHING red in closet]
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for the Cardinal
I having no connection with Stanford (I like to remind Stanford folk that I went the UC DAVIS), but that is a truly impressive win over the U of Spoiled Children.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
went to UC DAVIS
where I obviously did not study English
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, yes it is. Booty sucks.
4 frigging interceptions.
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap?
are you actually rooting for the yankees of college football, lebron kapers?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have loved USC forever, but especially when
they got smart and hired Pete Carroll
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usc moving in the wrong direction
39 seconds left now...
Drive Summary: 2 plays, -7 yards
1st-10, USC41 J. Booty sacked by P. Egboh
2nd-17, USC34 J. Booty incomplete pass down the middle
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Booty should have stayed in Louisianna
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
booty's game winning 4th quarter drive
a sack, two incomplete passes (both down the middle? with less than a minute left?), and an interception against the impenetrable stanford D.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be watching Florida-LSU for awhile now
It should be over in time to come back to Denver for the end of the baseball game.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be good for Cal, but bad for Pac-10.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing to a shitty team out of conference
is much worse than in conference for the Pac 10.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but . . .
some might argue that Stanford is a pretty shitty team.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I meant
Shitty non-conference teams beating Pac 10 teams is worse than shitty Pac 10 teams beating good Pac 10 teams.
Like....
Notre Dame beating UCLA. That will hurt the Pac 10.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ucla-notre dame?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memo to Karl Dorrell
DO NOT lose to Notre Dame!!
Yours truly,
Cal and the rest of the Pac-10
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCLA going down
This is very bad for the Pac-10. Also specifically for Cal...the Cal-UCLA game in two weeks was going to be an extremely attractive game for national interest, now not nearly so much.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's go Gators...clap clap clap
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just as you posted that
LSU cuts the lead to 17-14.
Baseball? There's a baseball game going on?
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look again
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was the lou holtz pep talk
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to baseball...
...anyone who would vote for Holliday as MVP over Rollins needs to have their head examined.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
okay, but
rollins doesn't even lead his own team in avg, obp, slg, hr, or rbi.
rollins has a lower OPS than howard, utley, burrell and rowand. he's third in doubles, fifth in avg, and tenth in OBP. ON HIS OWN TEAM.
prince fielder is the NL MVP.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...
i'm sure rollins is above average, but it's not like he's top 3 at his position (again, unlike THREE of his teammates: utley, rowand, and victorino).
and since nick was comparing rollins and holliday, i'll mention that holliday is the #2 LF defensively.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Rollins plays the most valuable
defensive position, where you don't expect that kind of offensive production, whereas you do in LF. I'd take Utley or Holliday for MVP, but I don't think it's a ridiculous argument.
(And in listing his stats, you didn't mention his 20(!) triples.)
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to vote for MVP
based on defense, triples, runs, and stolen bases (the four things rollins does well)....
i assume curtis granderson (better defense at his position than rollins) and his 23 (!!!) triples is your AL MVP?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also hit 30 HRs
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many fewer than PRINCE FIELDER
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rollins-holliday MVP thing is just media hype
i'm not sure why you people are falling for it. they're both in the playoffs (hey, like morneau last year!).
prince fielder isn't in the playoffs because his manager sucks, dave bush had a 5.12 era, chris capuano had a 5.10 era, and ben sheets hurt his hamstring in mid-september.
do you really want to punish fielder for that?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
There are too many voters who think like Jon Heyman or Joe Morgan for the Prince to win.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granderson would be an
MVP candidate if he was in the NL. (He's also good at HRs and doubles (and singles)). Triples are undervalued by OPS relative to HRs.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive difference
Utley and Howard are hurt by their stints on the DL. More WS's for Rollins.
The real issue here is the Coors Field effect: Holliday's OPA is 60 points higher at home, and his SLG is 240 points higher. He's a LF who slugged .485 on the road (Rollins SLG'd over .500 home and away). Rollins actually had a higher OBA on the road, and slugged only 50 points better at the Bank.
I don't follow the NL closely, so I haven't looked closely at the whole MVP picture. But a Holliday win would be like the Morneau win last year (or George Bell 20 years ago over Trammell), and maybe worse.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem with rollins over holliday
but prince fielder is the NL MVP. any other first place vote is a wrong vote.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have no problem with a Fielder vote
Again, I haven't looked at the whole league, just taken a quick glance at the NL 2007 Leaderboard. Rollins is just as obviously a far more valuable defender than Fielder, but I doubt that that advantage makes up for the OPS difference between them.
So again, I have no problem with putting Fielder at the top of a ballot. If Chipper Jones hadn't missed nearly 30 games, he'd be a damn good pick, too. But all the "MVP" talk about Holliday is pretty silly, and he just didn't have a better year than Rollins did.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
home-away
OPS: fielder away > rollins home
HR: fielder away > rollins home
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a strong opinion on this, but...
Fielder in the field=big minus to his overall value
Rollins in the field=big plus to overall value
So I would guess they meet somewhere in the middle of their respective OPSs. It's not clear at all that Fielder is more valuable.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're overvaluing defense
but of course i'd also take ryan braun over troy tulowitzki for NL RoY...
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense is important
and as current A's fans we should know that offense at the key defensive positions is very important.
Various diaries have suggested like 40 guys to help the A's offense, but they're all corner OFers or 1Bsman. Great hitters at C/SS/CF are extremely valuable.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure defense is important
but you seem to not even care that NINE HITTERS ON THE PHILLIES HAD A HIGHER OBP THAN ROLLINS.
not in the league, ON THE PHILLIES.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
up the middle
again, just on his own team, utley was the best defensive 2b in the NL, and rowand was the best defensive CF in the NL.
great hitters up the middle:
utley .976 OPS
rowand .889 OPS
rolins .875 OPS
at SS, rollins isn't even in the top 3 in the NL. where does he even rank among NL shortstops? you have provided no data here.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
david wright, NL MVP?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was on the Phillies instead of the Mets:
100%
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or note the A's team BABIP
difference between most of the year and afterwards when Crosby/Chavez/Kotsay weren't manning their positions, and Cust was playing in the OF with a bad CFer every night.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was not strike 3 to Howard n/t
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 7:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
radio broadcasters say this ump
tends to have a wide strike zone
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOMEBODY SCORE PLEASE.
Sorry.
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHOA!
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
woooooooo
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crimeny
Matsui the masher, who would've thought.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
burrell
maybe his LF defense really is worse than manny...
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LF defense
What is really sad is no one in the AL broke 0.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell with...
...A "Custian" effort.
by Nico on Oct 6, 2007 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his wildest dreams, Jack Cust did not
expect to be an adjective by the end of the season.
by kapers on Oct 6, 2007 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, was Ichiro
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it was his first year at the position
so the best defensive RF would be the worst defensive CF? maybe it's not such a great idea to move buck to CF...
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he play CF in Japan? n/t
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah but 2000 was a long time ago
and ichiro was 33 this year, so after six years away from the position i doubt he can play CF as well as he could at 26.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really fun to watch Moyer pitch
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, drama..
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dane Cook is truly an imbecile
Someone needs to explain to him what the word "pivotal" means, preferably by hitting him over the head with something that pivots.
by Englishmajor on Oct 6, 2007 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm an idiot
but I've been trying to figure this out...who is Dane Cook? Meaning, both what is the his role in this broadcast, and what is the pop culture context in which he apparently exists? I've only seen his name in AN threads, which I've only been reading sporadically..
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've heard about
That amoeba found its way into a puddle on the men's room floor in the Laff Factory, and a few days later Dane Cook showed up at their open mic night.
The rest is history.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously you don't watch enough "frank TV"...
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watching those ads
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm vegetarian.
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies tie it
let's see how the Rockies respond
by OaklandSi on Oct 6, 2007 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, back to baseball
LSU is a well-deserved #1. I assume Cal is #2 and tOSU is #3, though some of those votes could be reversed.
by Soaker on Oct 6, 2007 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting; Gordon's wearing earplugs
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
todd helton was backup QB behind manning?
still not as gritty as college punter darin erstad.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man that was impressive.
Coming off that monster shot.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillies home field advantage
Seems like someone in the LF Bleachers is trying to help the Phillies feel more at home.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly,
Veteran stadium had a subterranean courthouse/jail for those fans that were deemed to have gone to far by even Philly standards.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was more for football crowds, I think
Though I know someone who used to work at the Vet (running the diamondvision board), and showed me the tapes the Phillies' tv camera crews made of the "loving couples" in the upper reaches of the 3rd deck. You'd be surprised how many people suddenly seemed to get the urge out there in a section by themselves...
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Rockies take the lead!
Go Rocks go!
by louismg on Oct 6, 2007 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks as though
this may be National league sweeps week. Have four teams ever been swept out of the playoffs before?
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah baby! Let's crack this thing open now.
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or let's just hold on to win it.
That's good too.
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the only one rooting for the Phils, huh? n/t
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FSU is, but he's from philly
the rest of us are on the rockies bandwagon.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I guess FSU and I will go cry in a Yuengling
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Dane Cook, wasn't it?
by oblique on Oct 6, 2007 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's just a visceral reaction, huh.
by pam5981 on Oct 6, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dane Cook again...
...brain eroding...
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse
We could be suffering from ESPN announcers and those insufferable Sports Center spots.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, even Tommy Lasorda
yelling at people in their kitchens is better than Dane Cook.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so tired of all the commercials on tbs. franktv,
DHL,the one with the gps. over and over and over
by smasfan on Oct 6, 2007 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nasty curve ball to strike out Howard
Howard was the NL Three True Outcomes champ this year, so it not to surprising he struck out.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
another custian performance
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as strange as that sounds
it should be a kick-ass NLCS.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-west NLCS
That scream of agony you just heard was from Fox Sports headquarters now that they know that either Colorado or Arizona will be in the World Series. Good night.
by doctorK on Oct 6, 2007 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wait 'til Cleveland wins the AL!
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if Trevor Hoffman
had thrown one more strike to Tony Gwynn's kid last week.
Funny game.
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
baseball's nightmare
cleveland against colorado or arizona in the world series, in a playoffs that included teams from NY, "LA", chicago, boston, and philly.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"It's CLEVEland versus ColoRADo!"
"It's a PIVOTAL series! There's only ONE OcTOber! And there's LOTS of unsold AD TIME that we have to FILL with my inNANE bullSHIT!"
by Nick on Oct 6, 2007 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the East Coast nightmare
for me it is all good, imagine ESPN having nothing to talk about. Every post season I go in hoping for one thing and one thing only, Yankees lose, Yankees lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by china bob on Oct 7, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just weird
the NL is really terrible. I'm happy with the outcome, but geez.
by mikeA on Oct 6, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What was the season split
between the D'backs and the Rockies?
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind.
10/8 Rockies. interesting.
by alox on Oct 6, 2007 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See ya'll tomorrow.
by afansnotes on Oct 6, 2007 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder if the mets
would have done any better...
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
with the Yankees on the brink
and the Phillies and Cubs out ESPN has just exploded.
My god how sweet it will be when the Red Sox get knocked out. I am pretty sure after that they wont even show the scores on Sportscenter.
by marco magic on Oct 6, 2007 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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