Open ALCS Thread: Dovetailing Day
I loved this post yesterday by baseballgirl because it echoed the way I felt about the 2007 MLB playoffs.
I'd just like to add a few things to what she mentioned. I imagine that if the Indians bounce the Red Sox from the playoffs, expect this World Series to be one of the lowest rated ever. Joe Casual Baseballfan probably doesn't care about a Rockies and Indians World Series. But for someone like myself who has built an entire network of sports blogs based on the premise that too many small market teams are regularly ignored by the "Worldwide Leader" and other instruments of sports coverage, I think this is just awesome. People are always surprised when they talk to me about SportsBlogs Nation to learn that our Red Sox and Yankee blogs are smaller or about the same size as our blogs for teams like the Indians and Rockies. It's simple, there is never a lack of information about media darlings like the Sox and Yanks. Where the media fails on the larger scale is getting anyone to know who the hell Asbrudal Cabrera or Troy Tulowitzki are until they are actually FORCED to.
I love seeing David take down Goliath. That's one of my favorite moments in sports (well, when MY team isn't the favored one). And honestly, I'm not sure who would be David and Goliath in an Indians/Rockies World Series matchup. The Indians would probably be the underdog even if the Rockies are sitting around playing Halo 3 for nine days. But I also wouldn't count the mammoth payroll of the Red Sox out yet. They have Beckett going tonight and Schilling backing that up. Sure Sabathia and Carmona are the opposition, but neither one of them faired very well against the Sox the first time around. I wouldn't be shocked to see this series go all seven games. The Red Sox obviously don't die really easily as the Yankees learned the hard way in 2004 and their rotation is set up to go to a game seven.
Finally, to continue the discussion about Justin Duchscherer possibly joining the rotation in 2008, I just wanted to offer my take on it. I think the A's learned last year that they can take a good reliever who was a former starter and have success with it. Chad Gaudin's move to the rotation wasn't exactly perfect especially considering how he wore down in the second half of the season, but the A's front office knows that Duke has wanted to return to starting for a while now. My fears are related to Duke's health. He doesn't exactly seem all that durable and coming off major hip surgery isn't going to be easy. Even if Duke has success in spring training as a starter, there is no guarantee that he'll hold up for 30 starts...or even 20 for that matter.
At the same time, starting pitching is at such a premium on the open market that if you can find a cheaper solution that works in-house than you do it. I actually don't doubt that Duke would be successful as a starter because even though he's a soft-tosser, he's got one of the best curveballs in the game and his cutter can be lethal. I think most hitters probably couldn't hit these two pitches even if they knew they were coming if Duke was healthy and getting his normal break on the ball. Plus, his pinpoint control makes him ridiculously effective. So if I had to make the choice, I'd keep Duke as Street's setup man and sign someone to be the fifth starter. But I'd also not want to lock myself into a Loaiza-type contract just because we need a fifth starter. The more realistic (and smarter) option might just be putting Duke in the rotation. You just do really weaken the A's pen by removing a healthy Duke and replacing him with someone else. Remember that before Duke got hurt this year, he and Scot Shields were really the best setup men in baseball. How many games might you lose because you have Andrew Brown or someone like that in the eighth inning instead of Duke versus how many more games do you win having Duke as a starter versus the Braden/Windsor/DiNardo/Halsey/Meyer/Komine monster? That's probably what it will come down to and how the A's front office judges that equation is anyone's guess.
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Still wonder if Harden & Duke are trading places
as I speculated in my blog yesterday. Duke takes Harden's rotation spot... as if it was really even occupied. And Harden becomes the power setup man or even the closer.
It's fun to think about, though the most fun would be if these two could stay healthy.
actually, I think Joe Casual Fan
is watching football now. Perhaps he could be tempted to watch the MLB postseason with the media continually harping on teams such as the Skanks and Sux (and to a lesser extent the Cubs, etc)....but not even that would get him to watch if MLB continues to have such lags in scheduling games. Why, for example, is it necesary to have a rest day between two games played in Cleveland? And, while I understand that you can't predict whichALDS and ALCS will go the distance, why not schedule the World Series to start no later than two days after the end of the ALCS, regardless of how long the ALCS turns out? Lag time can only hurt the ratings.
As far as relivers turning into starters: Gaudin is acknowledged to have the best stuff of any A's pitcher outside of Harden. I think what the A's learned about Gaudin was that he hasn't learned yet how to start, and that he may have just worn down during his first full season as a major league starter. Whether he can learn or not we don't know -- but at 24 years old there's a chance.
Duchscherer, on the other hand, may not have enough stuff to get through a lineup three times for an entire season. Plus, there are serious health questions.
Alas, poor Andrew
Andrew Brown was the second-best reliever on the team last year. His ERA is incredibly misleading. His defense-independant ERA was 2.67.
This is just one example of his bad luck this year, but: he gave up one HR in the majors this year. It was a grand slam.
Overall I think something like 50% of his baserunners scored, which is a huge proportion... and many of them were allowed to score by other pitchers.
I wouldn't hand him the setup job outright, but I'd have no problem heading into next season with him as the leading candidate.
rockies playing halo 3 for nine days
does this mean the rockies are cheaters?
Rich and Duke as the 4th and 5th
starters sounds good to me:
P1 Haren
P2 Blanton
P3 Gaudin
P4 Harden (OK Meyer, OK Lenny)
P5 Duchscherer (OK Braden)
RP Street
RP Embree
RHP Calero
LHP Meyer (OK Blevins)
RHP Brown
RHP Casilla
LHP Lenny (OK Colby)
The pseudo-depth is there to deal with injuries.
Don't forget Jose Garcia
I may have missed it, but I haven't seen much talk about Jose Garcia being a part of the rotation. This guy is a good prospect (sub 3 ERA over 200 minor league innings) and he can start from what i've read. There are some scouts who still say that he reminds them of Pedro Martinez. I think this guy will have just as good of a shot at making the rotation as Duchscherer does.
by GusanoQuemador on Oct 18, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
not at the beginning of the year
he won't be ready b/c of his tj surgery.
Yea but are we even sure Duchsherer will?
He had surgery around the same time as Garcia..
by GusanoQuemador on Oct 18, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
TJ is a longer recovery time
Even when Garcia is ready, he won't be put into the rotation, since he has like 10 innings of experience above AA. I would be extremely surprised to see him get more than 1-2 starts for the A's next year.
i'm not at all sure
when was the last time we heard about duke?
i haven't really paid attention, but i thought there was some chance he would never recover...
My concern is about the notion
of "...just because we need a 5th starter" because I think we need a #3 starter (if/when Harden goes down). As soon as Gaudin has to move up from the #4 spot, the rotation is no longer "very good" - and "good" won't cut it with the A's offense.
Haren, Harden, and Blanton make us competitive. Once Harden goes down, it's not the #5 spot that becomes an issue.
My concern is the notion
of Harden as a pitcher at all. If anything, his history should tell us to assume he's not part of any rotation plans at all next year and if he shows up every now and then to throw a few innings great, but by no means should we even bother penciling him into the roster. I laugh every time someone throws his name into the starting rotation.
we need to go into every year
with a 24/39 man roster and five pitchers for the rotation, and whatever we get out of harden is a bonus, but we should expect nothing at this point.
i agree
but a 2-3 starter isn't something we're going to get via free agency, so we just have to hope one of five or six minor league pitchers becomes that guy. i guess we could trade for one, but we already have holes at SS and CF and i'm not sure what we have to offer besides guys like DJ and street.
Krazee Klown Aktion on the lineups...
Bobby is rather understated as an announcer.
because he knows
Just about game time
Just need another reminder why Boston must lose

"keys to the game"
red sox: win
indians: don't lose
thanks, fox.
What just happened?
On the radio they made it sound like Manny would've been safe except he just stopped running...
Nah, he was out by 10 feet
Granted the throw was high, but it was there so far ahead of him that, even if he had slid, he would easily have been tagged out.
He just stopped running?
Must be related to Miggy.
Why doesn't Victor Martinez have a pet name?
Do his teammates not like him? Or it is something that can't be repeated on TV?
It's also a mix of "Project" and "Donkey,"
only it's "Donkect" so everyone just kind of ignores it.
I hate to say it...
Kan't spell Kielty without a K
What else is there to talk about?
Future Yankee.
makes you wonder if the Yankees timed it
to get some air time while their bitter rivals were playing in an elimination game
His stupid ass hair, that's why.
The thing is
I could conceivably forgive all of that if he weren't such a goram PRICK!!
i could forgive all that...
if he played for the A's. :-)
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Manny being Manny...
clown.
It didn't get out. These announcers are dipshits.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The Indians announcers are doing well...
what are the other ones saying?
the Fox announcers debated for 5 minutes...
was it out? No, you freakin' dunces... otherwise, it wouldn't have bounced back!
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we can know
I've always hated the "yellow line" on fences - it shouldn't be a matter of whether the ball hits over or under a line, it should be whether or not it leaves the playing field.
Jacobs Field ground rules
linked here, not it really helps answer the question.
FWIW, I thought the ball went over the fence and hit the front corner of that ledge which apparently starts a fraction of an inch behind the fence. But..can't be positive.
I HATE DANE COOK!!!!!!
AND I HATE ALL OF THOSE STUPID FUCKING ACTOBER COMMERICALS!!!!!!!!
let's see if this is how it works
"+1"
pardon my french but fuck dane cook. i couldn't stand him before and i can't stand him after these commercials.
From the Red Sox perspective
this must seem like we have felt in certain playoff games...Ramirez getting tagged out at the plate, the HR or no HR call, the double plays...
Let's hope it continues...
in that direction.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
"And...We're learning that...
...Yup...Chris Myers is still an idiot! Back to you."
don't think so...
on the slow-mo replay, didn't look like it was even close.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing I hate...
is that RS fans have a reasonable expectation of scoring with the bases loaded. A's fans....not so much.
Beautiful to behold!
Hah....
that's what they get for employing a former Athletic.
<still suffering from post job
interview remorse....I shoulda said this, and cited this example instead of that stupid example...etc.>
OT: Rutgers is giving #2 Bulls...
a run for their money. I don't usually watch college football, but this season has been fun because of the Top 25 turnover.
You probably will be on Saturday too
According to the ABC coverage map (PDF), Alaska gets Michigan State-Ohio State instead of Cal.
If there's a Game 6 in this series, I **HOPE** to be watching it at a postgame party in Pasadena :-)
Wonder if Lofton is trying to rattle
Beckett? The pressure is building....
I think baseball should adopt the NHL rule
of when two players get into an altercation, the benches and bullpens should stay put, the other players on the field should stay put, and let the umpires get in and separate the combatants. The scene of the benches and bullpens emptying when two guys start arguing with each other looks more and more ridiculous every time.
i think it would improve ratings...
if it were more like the NHL. But, that's just me.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Always reminds me of Azrael
and makes me wonder where Gargomel is...
And Papa smurf.
Why can't Beckett
play for the A's? He makes me dream of a healthy Harden. It's painful to watch.
I still have hope for Harden and Crosby...
next year. Kotsay, not so much. But since we're stuck with his $8 million contract, I'm hoping against hope.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Conversley,
I have more faith in Kotsay (which isn't much) than I do Crosby. At least Kotsay has proven he was a major league player at one time. Crosby had a good rookie year by rookie standards. Since then, nada.
there is no doubt...
the A's would be a better team with a Kotsay is not in fall-off-the-cliff decline mode. An outfield of Buck, Kotsay, Swish ain't so bad... if Kotsay is healthy.
I'll give Crosby another chance because he's young. Two words: Carlos Pena. Nuff said.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Peña always had
a good sense of the strike zone and was known for being intelligent with a good attitude. Not sure the comparison holds...
A healthy Kotsay would be fine if we had a better hitting team around him. As is, eh...Bring me some Denorfia and cross yer fingers that he can hit.
hey, I'm all for the Denorfia or Snelling option
you know how much I love Kotsay, though. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't the knock
on Pena that he was "un-coachable"?
as for Pena vs. Crosby...
Beane gave up on Pena... very early. He hasn't given up on Crosby. Are you smarter than Beane?
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Beane's smarter than Beane--
Almost every move he makes is smarter than "not re-signing Carlos Pena this season". And almost every move he makes is smarter than "not giving up on Crosby".
i can't get past the fact that
croz hit .239 in a ROY campaign.
They left Sabathia in
in spite of the pitch count and the high stress situations because they wanted him to pitch to Ortiz. But, uh, you have to get Pedroia and Youkilis out first. So now he's not even facing Ortiz. Grrrr.
If it doesn't come out right
do you throw in the trowel?
Stop trowelling on this board!
I'm going to take a trowelly
to your home, just to kick your ass.
You could just take a flight
that you've booked on Trowelocity
For the record
I LOL'd at the trowelly.
so is Iggy, isn't he?
well, no... but, he looks like he should be.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
She reminds me of my grandma.
You just have to love her.
Drives a pink Lincoln Town Car, wears giant (real) jewelry everywhere she goes... with sweat pants and leather tassel loafers. Grandma doesn't wear that much makeup, though. And I don't ever remember her doing her hair, but it looks just like Tammy Faye's.
My grandma looked like Shirley Booth (Hazel)
but was less annoying. I was minus 7 when that was on, by the way. I'm really not old enough to remember that show.
Grandmas rock.
They had a pool up until they moved a few years ago. At any time you and five of your friend could show up unexpectedly and she would always have a swimsuit for you. No matter what size you wore. "Help yourself, Darlin'." She calls everyone darlin'. And Grandpa always has a dirty joke to tell you.
The Fox audio is intolerable
I'd never make it if I had to listen to those guys. It's the mute button and either Jon and <cough> Joe (yes, I kick McCarver out before I kick Joe out) or the local guys via XM.
Does anyone understand why yesterday was
an off day? I don't remember that happening before.
So that games 6 and 7 are on the weekend?
i think the Red Sux...
got to choose the schedule. So, I don't think it had to do with TV.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Since different networks (TBS and Fox)
had the NLCS and the ALCS, they were trying to minimize the number of days when both would have telecasts, in order to maximize the number of prime time slots each would get. There was to be an off day in the NLCS on Tuesday, then Game 5 was to be last night.
Ahhhh, that makes sense. In a warped sort of
television executive way.
There are some executives at TBS
who have some 'splainin' to do to Time Warner management:
The Rockies' four-game sweep of Arizona in the National League Championship Series produced record-low ratings for TBS. The NLCS drew an average 2.8 rating for all households and a 3.3 for homes with TBS. The previous low average LCS rating was a 6.2 for the Mets' five-game victory over the Cardinals in 2000.
ummm...
was the previous low on a broadcast network and not a cable network? Just curious?
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well sure
This was the first year that any LCS games were on a cable network. ESPN has never had any LCS games, only Division Series games. Still, the vast majority of households have access to TBS via cable or satellite, so that's a huge dropoff. The ratings for Monday Night Football are somewhat lower now that MNF is on ESPN rather than ABC, but it's nothing like 6.2 vs. 2.8.
a huge dropoff... maybe for MLB
but, probably the highest rated sports broadcast that TBS has ever had. I bet they're happy, if not ecstatic.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, they would have preferred...
a Mets vs. Cubs LCS, but... who picked the Rockies to go to the WS at the beginning of the year?
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I can hardly wait for the games in Colorado
when it's getting to 40 degrees tonight in Texas.
gonna be in the 80's...
here in the Bay Area this weekend. God, I love the Bay Area!
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank goodness
the forecast high in Pasadena on Saturday is only 77. For Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday they are forecasting 94, 96 and 94. That would not be much fun.
no, it wouldn't be much fun...
Al Gore will probably show up with his Nobel Peace Prize to lecture all Southern Californians about the evils of their ways.
Me... I'd rather drive to Capitola in my Hummer and watch the greenhouse-gas induced sunset over a cold margarita.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This game is grody.
is anyone else hearing some weird audio?
by scutaroknowstheway on Oct 18, 2007 8:50 PM PDT reply actions
I must be missing something
because the cute story the TV guys just told about Papelbon made him sound like a complete prick.
Well, no 7-run rally against Papelbon...dang it
I still like Cleveland's chances with Carmona vs. Schilling on Saturday.
South Florida loses...I do think the cream will rise to the top in college football in the end, it's just that we have to get used to every good team having one loss to an inferior team.
As the game was slipping away from CLE
Now that really needs to happen.

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