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Billy Beane AN Interview January 07 Edition Part II

Yesterday was part one of my exclusive chat with Billy Beane.  Today is part two as we get deeper into looking at 2007 and the dreaded "i" word.

Enjoy.

Blez:  Most of the discussion about whether or not the A's can defend their AL West crown in 2007 depends on a lot of ifs.  If Rich Harden can finally remain healthy for a full season, if Joe Kennedy or another candidate performs adequately in the fifth starter role, if Crosby, Ellis and Chavez have bounce-back seasons offensively, if Mike Piazza can adjust to playing DH and the transition to the AL...how comfortable are you with the prospect of the A's being a World Series contender in 2007?

Beane:  You could ask that question every spring of us, so it's not unique.  The fact of the matter is that I like our club and I like our young players.  We've probably got a little smaller margin of error with injuries.  If we're healthy, I like the rotation of Haren, Harden, Blanton, Loaiza and Kennedy.  I like our bullpen.  Crosby and Ellis.  Chavy and DJ will probably get a lot of time at first.  Swisher, Kotsay and Bradley.  It's hard for me not to like that.  The ifs are fair because we haven't been healthy the last two years.  The way I look at it is that we're due to be healthy.  Take someone like Crosby, who is a phenomenal talent.  If the expectations are realized, we have a very good club.  That's the nature of being in this marketplace.  There are going to be a lot of ifs.  And that's just the way it's been the last few years.

Blez:  You mention Joe Kennedy when you brought up the rotation.  Does he go into camp as the front runner for the fifth spot in the rotation?

Beane:  Oh yeah, we would like to give Joe the first opportunity.  He's been groomed as a starter most of his career even though he was great in the bullpen last year.  Joe is a year away from free agency.  He's got a lot of talent and I think he'll be very motivated.  And getting another left hander in there will be nice.  We think Embree can fill in and do a similar job to what Joe did last year.  I'd say going in he would be the front runner.

Blez:  Do you think that Daric Barton or Travis Buck are close to making the jump to the big club this year?

Beane:  They're not far.  Travis was having a spectacular season last year before he had that groin injury with what he did at Double-A.  It's tough to say when, but they're both definitely showing up on the radar screen.  Daric had the injury too, but Daric had a great winter ball season even though it wasn't a lot of at-bats.  They're both knocking on the door.  There were a few guys we investigated possibly signing, major league guys, but it's critical to us to constantly preserve some opportunities for some younger guys.  You know for the Bucks, the Suzukis, the Bartons and down the line.  Two years ago, we introduced a lot of young players and people are now used to those guys, like Swisher and Blanton and Huston Street and to some extent DJ.  Last year we worked in Gaudin.  I wanted to continue to work in younger guys.  And one of the reasons we traded Kirk (Saarloos), was not that Kirk didn't perform for us, but we want to preserve a spot for a kid to come in and start to establish himself.  It's so important for us to have a couple of young players every year come in and be a part of this club so they can be an integral part of the future.  

Blez:  I'm assuming your talking about someone like Windsor.

Beane:  Exactly.  And that was all part of the thinking there.  It's very comfortable for certain parts of the club to just rely on this guy but we need to leave some opportunity for growth in the club.  The thing is the next year you're saying, hey this rookie did a great job, is he going to move into the rotation?  The most exciting part of this job for me, what I like more than anything is developing young players.  Last year we didn't really have that many opportunities for young guys.  I mean getting to the ALCS is fun, but the other part of the job that I missed was having young guys in there and sticking with them when they were struggling.  I want to have guys come in in the spring who are looking to break through so they're names roll off people's tongues at the next year's FanFest.  

Blez:  So do you think Windsor will be a part of the bullpen this year?

Beane:  Possibly, yes.  Absolutely.

Blez:  There's obviously been a lot of speculation about the A's trading for Lastings Milledge.  The rumor has been for a starter like Joe Blanton.  I know you can't comment on another team's player, but how comfortable are you with the depth of the A's rotation if you lose another starter, either via a trade or injury?  For example, you just traded Saarloos yesterday.

Beane:  Wow, you're getting really good, Tyler.  You just answered yourself by saying I can't comment on another team's player.  We've made progress in the last few years (laughs).  One of the reasons we would be concerned about our depth is because I got a call from a friend when I was over in Europe who is an East Coast writer saying the blogs are going nuts saying you're going to trade Haren.  I was like, goodness gracious, I've been touring the Colosseum all day and I'm more worried about what Augustus Caesar was up to 2,000 years ago as opposed to trading Haren.  A lot of that was more blogosphere talk.  We've got something that we value highly which is good young pitching.  It would be extremely risky to consider moving any of that.

Blez:  Do you feel comfortable with your outfield right now?

Beane:  Yeah, I do.  I think it will be important for Mark Kotsay to remain healthy.  And with Swish and Milton, I like those three.  And Bobby is as good as anyone in the league against left-handed pitching.  

Blez:  The A's seem to have an enormous group of relievers waiting in the wings with the trade of Saarloos and the addition of Shafer, Dunn, the presence of Embree, Duke, Calero and others.  Is this something that you're purposely doing in loading up on relievers?  Is this something that you're viewing as being undervalued right now?  The bullpen?

Beane:  I can tell you that's not the case, they're all expensive now.  Not necessarily, it might look that way.  We liked Shafer a bit.  And in discussing guys, that was a guy we targeted.  It was not an attempt to load up on them.  I wish we had a whole bunch of starting prospects because we're probably a little thin with pitching prospects at the higher level.  But not a conscious effort.

Blez:  Does Dan Meyer factor into the equation this year?

Beane:  Well he had a pretty significant surgical procedure last year.  But all reports are that he's doing really well and I'm very anxious to see him to be honest.  I think until he gets out there and there's something tangible I don't think you want to bank on him.  But there have been great reports so far.

Blez:  Were you surprised at how much money Barry Zito wound up getting?

Beane:  I've been around long enough to not be surprised by anything.  I'm really happy if he's not going to be here, and I mean this, I'm happy that he's in San Francisco.  I know fans see him as a baseball player but I sort of see him as a guy who we've grown up with and I think the world of the guy.  As far as the amount of money, that's what the market would bear.  I think it's a great spot for him.  I'll probably see him pitch more for the Giants now than I did for us because I watched a lot of Giants games.  It'll be great and a lot of fun.  I couldn't be happier for the guy.  He's in a spot where people know him, so there really won't be any adjustment for him.  He deserves it.  He's really a unique individual.

Blez:  What was your reaction in general to some of the starting pitching contracts this offseason?  I suppose the Loaiza contract now looks like a bargain.

Beane:  One of the things we were concerned about last year and one of the reasons we pursued Este was because we saw what the market would start to bear for starting pitching.  We knew there was a very strong chance we were going to lose Barry and now I'm really happy we have Loaiza.  There's no reason to be shocked anymore at anything. I've been here a long time and nothing really shocks me.  If you're shocked that means you're probably not prepared for it.  

Blez:  What does this mean for the future of the A's rotation when someone like Zito can command the richest contract ever paid to a pitcher?  Obviously it makes developing from within that much more important, right?

Beane:  Yeah, it's always been important, but each year it gets more and more important.  My biggest reservation on signing Esteban last year was the fact that we were going to lose a draft choice.  If you look at the way we've built this rotation the last decade, it's been through the draft.  It used to be important, but now it's an absolute necessity for a club like ours to develop internally.  It's very rare that you're going to go out and get a guy like Dan Haren anymore.  That kind of trade is almost impossible to make even nowadays because of the cost of the starting pitching.  People don't want to give up good, young starting pitching.  They never have, but even more so now.

Blez:  There was a report a while back that Bobby Crosby was upset with the fact that his back injury wasn't diagnosed properly.  Do you think the injuries, and you've brought that up quite a bit, is just a fluke thing or does the organization need to take a close look at the medical treatment the players are getting?  Or do they need to do different things to prepare for the season?  Is there something you can do to address it or is it just a string of bad luck?

Beane:  First of all, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate on the misdiagnosis.  And quite frankly, in defense of our medical staff, Bobby was a bit frustrated as well.  I think he wanted to be out there.  I think there was a little bit of frustration coming out on Bobby's part.  Injuries are going to happen.  The idea that your medical staff is going to prevent them is wrong.  They are there to treat them.  In Bobby's case, a lot of the injuries come from the fact that Bobby plays the game hard.  A lot of his injuries have been impact injuries.  Last year, the first game someone slides into him and cuts up his finger.  He gets hit in the ribs one year and gets fractured ribs.  He chips a bone in his ankle sliding into the plate.

Blez:  What's the answer with a player like that then?  Do you have to tell him to back off a little more?

Beane:  No, you can't.  We've just had some bad luck.  There's no question that some guys are more prone to injuries than others and Bobby's certainly had some injuries.  But I don't think it's an indictment on his durability.  Part of it is the way he plays the game and that's why he is going to be a great player.  

Blez:  Are the A's doing anything differently to try and stave off the injuries in 2007?

Beane:  We sit down every year with the medical staff and the trainers to try and analyze why things happen and you try and make adjustments where you can, but it can be like trying to hold sand.  There was one year here in the early 90s where our club invented the oblique strain.  We had Dave Henderson, Terry Steinbach and Walt Weiss all had oblique strains and we'd never even heard of these things.  You get a number of injuries in a certain area and maybe you start focusing on that and something else happens.  It's just a part of the game.  And honestly, we've just had some bad luck with it.  When you think about a lot of the injuries, a lot of them aren't just tissue injuries, they're impact injuries.  The other thing that's not mentioned much either is that you have an injury to someone like Chavez who was basically injured all year.  He was never completely healthy and people don't hear about the medical staff helping him to stay on the field.  There's no glory in being a team doctor or a team trainer because no one cares about you until something goes wrong.  When something goes wrong, everyone is expecting perfection and that's just not fair.

Blez:  More specifically, have you talked with Eric Chavez, Bobby Crosby and Rich Harden about how they're feeling going into 2007?

Beane:  I spoke to Bobby the day I got back from Europe and he sounded great.  He feels really good.  We're going to be really slow with him in the spring.  The only thing we're going to care about with Bobby is getting him ready to play at the beginning of the season.  We're going to be very cautious with him and take our time with him.  David (Forst) spoke with Rich the other day and he's doing great.  He feels great.  He hasn't been throwing off the mound but throwing long toss which is a pretty good indicator as to how he's going to feel on the mound.  I haven't gotten to speak to Eric.  He's been traveling and dealing with family things.  But I haven't had a chance to speak with him but from the reports we have, he's fine.  Eric works hard during the offseason.  He's really diligent.  I talked to Kotsay a number of times this winter.  I talk to Mark quite a bit.  

Coming tomorrow:  Beane talks about the state of the farm system and whether Daric Barton or Travis Buck will be with the big club in 2007.  We also discuss the move to Fremont and what really happened in negotiations wiht Justin Smoak.

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Great work, Blez
I found the Windsor bit to be very interesting. If we can go ahead and pencil Kennedy into the 5 spot, it would seem that Halsey and Windsor may be battling for one long relief role, though I would have previously speculated that Halsey had the edge since he would also be the bullpen's second lefty. Of course, a trade (Witasick, maybe?) could open up a spot for both.

I also noticed that Beane has gone out of his way to praise DJ, which is interesting since DJ has long been considered not to be a "Beane guy" ala Swisher, Chavez etc. I think DJ could be solid this year if he's given the oppertunity.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Jan 30, 2007 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You always want to build up your players.
With Durazo and DJ around, and lots of potential bullpen arms, you want people thinking everyone's important, so if you end up making deals in spring training, you get maximum value.  
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Jan 30, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just bought season tickets on the back
of this interview! Gammons will be proven correct (albeit a year early)!! Awesome work!! Thanks!!

by Bifford on Jan 30, 2007 10:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Prediction re Smoak:
Beane gives (gave) an evasive/not completely trustworthy answer that initiates a new argument.  But he won't use like 7 different tenses in the same sentence like I just did.

by mikeA on Jan 30, 2007 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

lol
"I can't believe you guys like that (Swisher) doesn't wear underwear..." ~ Mark Ellis

by Poppy on Jan 30, 2007 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we will draft
Smoak in the future. Do any of our scouts have a relationship with head coach Ray Tanner or the South Carolina baseball program? I know we have drafted players from there in the past.
"Choosing between Milledge and Gomez is like choosing between Mozart and Beethoven" --NY Mets Message Boards

by apilgrim on Jan 30, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

South Carolina
Kevin Melillo (2B)
Landon Powell (C)
Michael Rogers (SP)

All drafted out of South Carolina w/in the past 3 years?  Am I missing anyone?  I'm sure I am.

by Colorado Fan on Jan 30, 2007 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Smoak
Unless the A's have one of the top 10 picks in the 2008 draft, Smoak will definitely be gone by the time the A's pick.

We had our chance and he chose college.  Right now it looks like he made the right financial decision.

Go A's!!!!

by Lodgeman on Jan 30, 2007 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BA Prospect Handbook 2007
They had a quick blurb about Smoak when recapping the 2005 draft class...

They put him on the short list to be taken 1st overall in 2008.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 30, 2007 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What have
you been Smoak'in.

by Salvatore on Jan 30, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"...we want to preserve a spot for a kid...
...to come in and start to establish himself.  It's so important for us to have a couple of young players every year come in and be a part of this club so they can be an integral part of the future."

Meanwhile, across the Bay, Kevin Frandsen glares daggers at Ray Durham.

"I can't believe you guys like that (Swisher) doesn't wear underwear..." ~ Mark Ellis

by Poppy on Jan 30, 2007 10:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I thought the same thing!  As I read that, I tried really hard to imagine Sabean saying it--not possible.  
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Jan 30, 2007 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Due"
The way I look at it is that we're due to be healthy.

Maybe oaktoon was right about "progression to the mean."

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jan 30, 2007 10:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

haha
that's the one thing from this part of the interview that stuck out.  
i'm sure beane didn't mean it literally, he's always a bit facetious when he's chatting.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Giants game?
What did he mean about watching more Giants games than A's games?  Is that a function of his being too wound up to watch A's games...?

by Apricot on Jan 31, 2007 9:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

who can blame him
the giants have barry bonds, we don't.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 31, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are You Serious? ..
.. hard to tell, I am new here at AN and sometimes people are saying something different than appears on the surface.

Giants haven't finished above .500 since around, oh, 2002 their W.S. year have they?

Who wants to watch a mediocre sub .500 team?  With an aging spoiled-rotten star like Bonds?

And who the last couple years could aptly be renamed the Geritol Gang they are so old ..

And playing in what everyone recognizes as the inferior league ..

by Randy Bell on Jan 31, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot to Say ..
.. {Re:Giants}  .. quite possibly one of the worst franchises in baseball right now ..

I mean, what good player, or superstar, in his right mind wants to go there?  Zito went for the money {and secondarily for the familiarity of the Bay Area}, that is clear, but ..

Does anyone think superstar like Manny Ramirez would want to come to the Giants?  Heck No .. even Gary Mathews Jr. did not want to come to this horrible franchise full of aged players and no farm system ..

They have no Farm {nothing} and nobody wants to go there -- they will be terrible for years ..

But if BB wants to watch them, more power to him .. hehe ..

by Randy Bell on Jan 31, 2007 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's all you need to know . . . . .
. . . . about what Beane says to the press:

Blez:  So do you think Windsor will be a part of the bullpen this year?

Beane:  Possibly, yes.  Absolutely.

by camperdog on Feb 1, 2007 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Blez
part II was awesome.

by AsMontreal on Jan 30, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Role of the medical staff
BB says that the medical staff is there to treat injuries, not prevent them.  I disagree.  Of course, contact/impact injuries are going to happen regardless of the condition or preparedness of the player, but I think medical staffs in general (and ours in particular) could/should do a better job of maintaining overall flexibility and strength so that the effects of such injuries can be minimized.  I think they need to take a more proactive approach.
"Put me down and I'll walk off the field." -- Bradley to Macha, 9/06

by skigurl on Jan 30, 2007 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

exactly what I was thinking...
Somebody earlier this winter strongly advocated that Harden and the rest of the team start taking up yoga, for just this reason. Considering how much players have riding on their health and ability to perform, what do they have to lose?

by sarchasmic on Jan 30, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he was differentiating...
...between the medical staff and the training/conditioning staff.  But I agree with you; certainly some staff who have specialized knowledge of how the human body works should be there to help prevent injuries!
"I can't believe you guys like that (Swisher) doesn't wear underwear..." ~ Mark Ellis

by Poppy on Jan 30, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
if they use a form of treatment called "ART" for Active Release Technique. It's a form of deep tissue massage that supposedly breaks up scar tissue and frees up muscles and joints to move properly. I just had a session this morning. It's excrutiatingly painful, but it's incredibly effective. A good number of athletes use it, but it's still not totally mainstream.
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice on Jan 30, 2007 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ART's great.
Do you compete in any sport?

ART is essentially a form of deep tissue massage. Like many massage techniques, it's efficacy depends a lot on finding a good practitioner.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 30, 2007 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a runner
dealing with a stupid achilles problem right now. I also had nagging hip soreness that had dogged me for 4 months. After one treatment it went away. My practitioner is a huge A's fan, and we always talk baseball when I go.
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice on Jan 30, 2007 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you tried
self-massage?
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 30, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

whoa, this is a family site
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since when?
<rub rub>
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jan 30, 2007 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch out
for the harikkala release.
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Jan 30, 2007 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<blushes>
What is that nice guy from the Royals site going to think of us?
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice on Jan 30, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I should have saw this coming
The question was actually serious though.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 30, 2007 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Harikkala
That guy's name is just screaming out for an Ogden Nash style limerick.
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jan 30, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd bet money
they all use that technique  ART--all the trainers I'm sure are familiar with that. If they aren't--something's wrong.

by Salvatore on Jan 30, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
But, sometimes injuries do just happen. Even non-impact injuries. They might be due to the fact that the player is (too) fatigued, or a host of other reasons.

Sometimes, accidents happen.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 30, 2007 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The medical staff is not here to create disorder..
...The medical staff is here to preserve disorder.

--apologies to Richard Daley, the Elder  

I'm sorry, but nobody who relies on eliminating variability like our BB should ascribe a whole vital area of The Game to "being unlucky."  I do not believe that injuries are a crapshoot, and we should be turning over every non-impactful rock to find better prevention.  

I understand the unavoidable violence of pro football, and the twisted knees and ankles inherent in basketball, but baseball?  I ain't buying it, any more than I'm buying the line that the players should be left to their own devices.  They are paid outrageous sums of money, and if that means "doin' the downward doggie" on command, then son, "assume the position."  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 30, 2007 7:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"And furthermore," he ranted on...
...maybe it's because I once worked for the safest company in the world--and that was so by a wide margin, precisely because they looked at every injury, including in jobs with much higher exposures than Baseball, as preventable.  The opposite of "shyt happens."

It should be looked-at like a Business School case, maybe in Operations Management: the Case of the Injurious Infielders.  You have a business whose injury experience is unsatisfactory, and it's dragging down the Bottom Line.  You M. Consultant are to be paid the BigBux to figure out why, and how to fix it.  What would you do?  

Hint: assess the situation by understanding incidence, as well as current avoidance techniques (if any).  Compare to other similarly situated businesses to see if rate is, in fact, high (answer: yes).  Assess other teams' approaches, esp. those with consistently better stats, as well as individual players' approaches where they seem to be healthy most of the time (Ichiro?).  Obviously, they won't be anxious to tell you, so you may need to go to non-competitors with similar exposures.  Assess both general and individual tactics for better prevention (e.g. "Bobby: don't dive--it's impactful, and you next to never catch it, anyway").  Present your recommendaitons to a grateful management, and hit them up for a luxury box at the World Series.

Point being--this is no different in kind from lots of other things BB does to bring predictability to apparent chance.  It needs to be done as a matter of management science, not luck.      

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 30, 2007 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, if you ask Ichiro nicely
I'm sure he would tell you. But, Ichiro is famous for his work ethic and the seriousness with which he takes his workouts. Given that we're a team that likes to draft fat catchers...

I said sometimes accidents happen. Not that injuries are a crapshoot. You can approach injuries as a case in Operations Management for all you want, but what if a player's injury is due to fatigue? Would you pull that player(before he got injured) halfway through a big game, knowing that leaving him in increases (NOT guarantees) the chance that he is going to be injured? And this is a VERY simplistic scenario.

You can talk tough and say "assume the position, son" for all you want, but what are you going to do if a player shows up fat and out of shape? Cut him?

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 30, 2007 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's alll about proactive management, methinks...
...at which BB is really very good.  Fatigue can be measured, collectively and individually, and via eyeballing as a last resort.  Hopefully you wouldn't have to face that Hobson's choice if you managed well--but if you did, you'd have to weigh near/long term goals and next-best alternatives.  You might also say to Chavvie--a double would be fine--don't try to stretch it and blow a Hammie (sorry, Nico, figure of speech--there's nobody named Hammie).  

Management is also about setting expectations that you will enforce, and that generate peer pressure--so when Doofus (not his real name) shows up out of shape, you can bench him and help him get re-qualified--and you can let his teammates who did the work confront him.  Whatever you do, you'll send a signal to your team--it matters or it doesn't; pay attention or not.  That's what makes it so fascinating.  

And I agree that this is all simplistic--as befits a fanblog where nobody's getting paid (or laid, Cyndi).  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 31, 2007 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fatigue can be measured
how? How do you measure fatigue? Especially given the tendency of most athletes to be occasionally less than honest about how they feel physically. Even if you actually come up with a way to measure fatigue, different athletes may get injured at different levels of fatigue. What injures athlete BC may not injure athlete BZ.

As for enforcing standards of physical fitness, what if Doofus has a multi-year multi-million dollar contract?

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 31, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here're some semi-educated guesses
Strength/resistance, flexibility, throwing velocity/distance/accuracy, bat speed, various tests of reaction time, visual acuity, maybe even some chemical tests, with permission of the union--none of which depend on the honesty of the subject, and all done better as part of a routine prevention program than in acute circs.  And I'd bet that with experience you could home-in on one or two that are the key markers.  

As to Doofus Fata$$, refer back to the part about "what you do demonstrates what's important to you."  If you let him slide, forget it for everyone.  If you sit his lazy, recalcitrant ass on the end of the bench, then there's a message for everybody--and if you're consistent, they'll all help you enforce it.  Billy hasn't hesitated to send those messages (e.g. the Swisher vodka incident).  It takes BBBs (big brass ones), but again--what's important?  Who's in charge?  Sending those messages, I hope, is part of what Billy sees in Geren's "ability to communicate."        

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 31, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you're going to perform
those tests in the middle of the game?

I'm well aware of the various tests that can be done to assess whether an athlete is overtrained; but different athletes get injured at different rates. If you sit everyone who's fatigued / overtrained, who's going to play?

As for BB and sending messages, maybe he should stop drafting fat catchers who balloon up to 300 lbs in the offseason.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 31, 2007 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BadgerBadger?

Is that whom you're mad at?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 31, 2007 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW,
I doubt that most baseball injuries arise out of fatigue, as in "exhaustion."  I just don't think our passtime is that intense.  It's somewhere north of "golf" and "hearts", but well south of a lot of aerobic activities like soccer or basketball.  

I also think that we may be confusing conditioning with injury potential.  My guess is they're directionally similar, but certainly not equivalent.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 31, 2007 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, Dogfather--
Right after you posted, the number of hits from the Castro quadrupled. Hmm.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 30, 2007 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, okay...
...equal time for, ahem, upward cat yoga.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 30, 2007 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...But the GM's Never Gonna Say That
It's hard not to think that, given the last two years, the training staff needs to do something different.  

But under what circumstances (other than just after firing somebody) would you expect Billy to say that?

I'm not at all sure we can take his answer to this one at face value.

If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jan 30, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,
I think Billy presents a good arguement defending his medical staff. The players are the ones who should really be most responsible for themselves. That also means doing the proper preventive injury workouts--and "really" doing them. It's a big subject to talk about--alot you can say.

by Salvatore on Jan 30, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Confirms all I've thought.
The plan is to "hope" that everybody's healthy. It's kind of weird to me, since last year BB obviously worked so hard at building up depth, precisely so that the team could succeed in spite of injuries, and the plan worked.

That doesn't make me feel good. But I definitely grant that if (if, IF IF) the team is mostly healthy, it will be very good.

by matthias on Jan 30, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

we don't have much choice
obviously this team could use a decent and reliable starting pitcher and another outfielder, but the payroll is already 72 million.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, Xman, And ...
... who else were they going to pick up this winter that might have 1)Been reasonably priced, and 2)Been helpful?

Maybe Trot Nixon would have helped as a platoon mate for Kielty, but who else was in the A's price range who might improve depth this year?

Shannon Stewart? Nah. Gil Meche for $55M? Don't think so. Joel Piniero? Hah! Sammy Sosa? Double Hah!

The player I've been wishing for the A's to acquire is Alex Rios, but it looks like getting him would cost a starting pitcher better than Blanton -- and it's clear from this interview Beane won't give one of those up.

 

by Eck on Jan 30, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trotman
i would have liked to have added the trotman which could have turned into a solid platoon but they must think dj is going to get it turned around either that or durazo will figure out out how to field ground balls with his t-rex arms.
"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2007 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the one that got away
I would have liked us to sign Moises Alou to DH, rather than being forced into Piazza.

by branch rickey on Jan 30, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

draft pick
would have had to give up a draft pick for alou
"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<cough>
Cliff Floyd?  He got a 3 mil with incentives deal.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jan 30, 2007 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not just hope...
we're due!

But seriously, while I agree that this team isn't as good or as deep as last year's, I think that's mostly a function of the team's budget and the current market. Taking the 2007 payroll (just over $70 million) as fixed, and given the situation going into the off-season, what would you have done differently?

It seems like keeping Zito wasn't an option. Personally, I would have preferred taking the chance on two more years of Frank Thomas to one year of Piazza (plus the pointless Embree signing), but that obviously has some risks of its own. I like the Goleski and Durazo moves for potential depth. And while there were a few free agents I liked who might have helped the team (Craig Wilson, Trot Nixon), I don't think there were any obvious "buy low" steals available this year the way Thomas and Bradley were last year. So while I'm not thrilled about this off-season, I also don't see duplicating last season's strategy as a realistic alternative.

In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Jan 30, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not conviced
we "bought low" on bradley unless we can lock him up for a couple more years at a decent price.  granted he was clutch throughout the year, when he was playing, but either looked pretty promising last year.
"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

windsor in 07
"Possibly, yes.  Absolutely."
i think beane was getting excited about the idea the more he thought about it.  
it shold be: "Possibly...  Yes!  ABSOLUTELY!!"
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 11:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Followed by...
"GET ME THE PHONE!!!"

A transaction right during an interview with Blez.  That would be awesome.

"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 30, 2007 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing
Every year before the season starts I come over to AN to read the Billy Beane interviews and all the other interviews you are able to get in the spring and I am just in awe.  What you are doing here is the GOLD Standard of blogs and I hope the ROYALS can get a blog this impressive.  

This blog and Billy Beane has made me an A's fan and being able to follow them so well because of this blog is outstanding.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley

by FuriousB on Jan 30, 2007 11:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that said...
...I love the tone that Royals Review take despite suffering through years of mediocrity. Reminds me of the Golden State of Mind Warriors' blog and their tongue-in-cheek motto: "Unstoppable, baby!"

by sarchasmic on Jan 30, 2007 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What we are doing here...
...is the (Green and) GOLD standard of blogs, thank you very much. And I do not believe that the words "hope" and "ROYALS" belong in the same sentence together any more than "penis" and "teeth."

Wait, I am being a total jerk. Where are my manners? WELCOME, Royals fan FuriousB to AthleticsNation. We have actually had some buzz over here about your Royals new GM and his stocking of young pitching. It looks like it could very well be outstanding in another 3-4 years.

I myself am very interested and curious to see how the 2010 Royals make out. You have to love how baseball teases out patience so much better than all other sports. I now have something to look forward to in 3 years. The suspense will be building...

by broaklyn on Jan 30, 2007 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stocking of young pitching?
Reminds me of a favorite Lookout Landing post:

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/story/2006/12/26/193131/48

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jan 30, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dayton Moore
Somehow turned Matt Stairs, Tony Graffanino and Mike MacDougal into Jose Diaz, Jorge de la Rosa, Tyler Lumsden and Daniel Cortes at the trade deadline last season. That's not exactly slam dunk genius, but it certainly is interesting and it is the stuff that keeps real baseball fans going.

I know we all think it's silly to bring in guys like Gil Meche, Odalis Perez and Scott Elarton, but there are also Hochevar, Hudson, Wellemeyer and that slick move bringing in Bannister. I'm just saying that if I were a Royals fan, I would find some manner of joy in waiting to see how all these young arms pan out.

by broaklyn on Jan 30, 2007 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In any case...
future's looking better for the Royals now than it did a year ago.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jan 30, 2007 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do the royals
have a front office to interview?
"I'd like to reference a brilliant post from Left Coast Lumber today" - notsellingjeans

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2007 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, it's more than
just a blog. It's a BLOGOSPHERE! Did I spell that right?

by Salvatore on Jan 30, 2007 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, Beane is a Giants fan?!!!
WTF?

"I'll probably see [Zito] pitch more for the Giants now than I did for us because I watched a lot of Giants games.  It'll be great and a lot of fun."

So he watches the Giants more than the A's, huh?

<throws wine bottle through window>

I don't know what to say. I guess I always assumed that a GM might pay more attention to the team whose job it is to manage.

Okay, I know Billy can't watch A's games because it makes him throw shit and get an ulcer, but still, why couldn't he have like a Padres habit or say...the Brewers.

by broaklyn on Jan 30, 2007 12:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL
You have to love BBG for bringing issues like this to the foreground.

by broaklyn on Jan 30, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

QOTM nom
And I bet the judge really likes this one.
"If your athame is a spork, you might be a Discordian."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 30, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good one!
"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch" - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Jan 30, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he watches the giants more
becuase it reminds him how much better our team is.
worst my come to worst but my people come first.

by ConditionOakland on Jan 30, 2007 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great work Blez
Nothing like a Beane interview to rally the AN faithful.

Bring on baseball!

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch" - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Jan 30, 2007 3:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I await the Smoak Section with:
Baited Breathe!!!
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/

by saint on Jan 30, 2007 3:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Smoak
Here's my guess on what BB will say:  "There wasn't a dollar amount high enough to keep him from going to college.  I heard reports of 1-Million, but we went there, and he wasn't budging."

by Colorado Fan on Jan 30, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is possible
I assure you, anything short of that and I will be writing another diary.
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 30, 2007 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a threat?
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Jan 30, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on if you're a fan of my writing
Besides, I thought launching a coup against Beane would be a bit much.

At this juncture.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 30, 2007 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My Guess as Well:
When I first wrote about I said that I'd out the kid on the dime.

If he reportedly wanted one million, I would have come in at 1.5 million.

The kid would have been a steal at that!!!

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/

by saint on Jan 31, 2007 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done, Blez
Thank you so much for these interviews.

by Reg on Jan 30, 2007 3:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Windsor to the pen
Loving the idea.

When Windsor was pitching out of the pen shortly after being drafted, he was able to push his FB back into the 89-90 range. Since his one plus pitch is his change-up, the greater the difference between the two speeds means the better chance of success against big league hitters.

It won't happen in 2007, but ultimately I think Windsor has the ability to be as good and versatile a pitcher as Duke was for the A's back in 2005.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 30, 2007 4:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

GM Rumsfeld?
I was like, goodness gracious, I've been touring the Colosseum all day and I'm more worried about what Augustus Caesar was up to 2,000 years ago as opposed to trading Haren.

"goodness gracious"?

The inspection process may require that the handler take off the monkey's diaper as part of the visual inspection @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2007 4:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

(Alternative answer)
There are known knowns, there are injuries we know we know; there are known unknowns, that is to say the injuries we now know we don't know.  But there are also unknown unknowns, there are injuries we do not know we don't know.  (video)
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Jan 30, 2007 5:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<alterna/non-CGV answer>
Augustus Caesar: still listed as day to day
The inspection process may require that the handler take off the monkey's diaper as part of the visual inspection @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2007 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if augustus can stay healthy this year
the roman empire is going to do well.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ironically enough, Augustus was once asked
whether he was planning on shipping Mark Antony to Gaul, and he replied -- and I kid you not -- "Goodness gracious, I've been touring MacAfee Coliseum all day in this cool time-machine 2,000 years in the future thinking about Billy Beane, not thinking about whether or not I'm sending Mark to Gaul!"  OK, I kid.
"Is this heaven? No, it's the f'ing suburbs."

by LAXile on Jan 30, 2007 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Williams' Head
Still listed as day-to-day.
"Is it because I often panic when making sandwiches?" - Crow

by LawDaddy on Jan 30, 2007 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's cold
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 30, 2007 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i snorted a peanut reading this.
worst my come to worst but my people come first.

by ConditionOakland on Jan 30, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no!
Not another peanut-snorting-related injury.

<takes peanuts from Crosby's locker, hides them in Witasick's locker hoping he'll find them>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 31, 2007 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<Jay tests peanut-positive, blames Sweeney>
"I can't believe you guys like that (Swisher) doesn't wear underwear..." ~ Mark Ellis

by Poppy on Jan 31, 2007 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(Even more alternative answer)
The fact that the general manager needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need to know was known, and therefore those of us who needed to advise and inform felt that the information that we needed as to whether or not to inform the highest authority of the known information was not yet known, and therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed because the need to know was not yet known, or needed.  (link)
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 30, 2007 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

from part one
"It's just noise that we just kind of ignored"

Opinion polls go up and down,/They spin like weather vanes./They're interesting, I suppose./I don't happen to look.
- Sept. 8, 2002, CBS's Face the Nation

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/22/Columns/The_existentialism_of.shtml

and part three, on justin smoak:
I'm working my way/Over to figuring out/How I won't answer.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 30, 2007 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you so much for this, blez.
a very good interview. tops.
worst my come to worst but my people come first.

by ConditionOakland on Jan 30, 2007 8:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like how you
probed into the health concerns, Blez.

Excellent.

ProfessorOakland.com

by ProfessorOakland on Jan 30, 2007 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good work blez! and thanks!
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Jan 31, 2007 7:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

notice the order of his rotation
haren was his number one then harden

by skalordes on Feb 1, 2007 1:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If he could only have a healthy year ..
.. then Harden would be #1 for sure, in fact the guy has Cy Young potential if he can ever figure out how to stay off the damn DL !!!

by Randy Bell on Feb 1, 2007 6:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As they say: if the Queen had an Uncle Charlie...
...she'd be Cy Young, too.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 1, 2007 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mychael Urbans article ..
.. on the A's official MLB site - is listing Harden as the #1, Haren as the #2.

All kidding aside, we NEED a miracle in 2007, we need Harden to stay healthy if we are to have a chance to beat the Halos.

Personally I would like another shot at postseason .. I felt like we underachieved last year given the depth of talent we had.

And to do that it is essential to get more innings and starts out of Rich.

by Randy Bell on Feb 1, 2007 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like you say...
either Harden stays healthy or a couple of the Angel starters turn into super patriots and join the Marines.

by Salvatore on Feb 1, 2007 1:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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