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Dear Zito-haters,

<vent>
Go ahead and bash Zito for his control issues.  Dude walks too many people.  Bash him for falling short of his potential:  After his Cy Young 2002, I think we all expected better than the 2003-06 that he delivered.  So bash him for peaking too early in his career.

But for God's sake, stop bashing him for his decision to sign with the Giants.

Oh, hell, keep doing it if it makes you feel better about yourself. After all, this guy had a major life decision to make, one in which millions of dollars hung in the balance, one that would decide where he'd spend the next 5-7 years of his life--and whose interests did he look out for? His own!? How dare he!?

It was suggested elsewhere on this website that Zito could have conceivably taken half of the $126 milliion  the Giants gave him to return to the A's.  It was stated that "if I'm truly going to admire one of these athletes as an individual beyond the game, it's going to take action like" that.

Well how about this:  thank God for Zito and those that know him that he has his priorities straight, and that he's more concerned with his own well-being than he is with earning the admiration of fans whom he doesn't know from Adam Piatt.  

Guys like Zito have hit the lottery by having a major talent in a major sport, and they are being paid as lottery-winners.  And they have a chance to use that money as we all dream we would if we won the lottery--to make themselves and their families set for life, to never have to worry about money again.  If they're generous, to give some of it to charity.

And a drawback of all this is that they are going to have to live the rest of their lives with people wanting to take some of that money from them--people who say 'after all, you don't really need it, you have so much.'  People will come to them with a million causes they should support, a million investment opportunities they should get involved in, a million ideas about what they should do with their money.  

And that's what I'm hearing when I hear some of you questioning Zito's decision to take the biggest contract offered him: You are complaining that he didn't donate to your cause, one of the most ludicrous causes I've ever heard of:  it's the "take less money to play for my favorite team, because it's the team you played with last year" cause.

Or the even-more-ridiculous, "take less money to play with a team that I think has a better chance of winning a championship" cause. Never mind that your opinion of which team has the better chance of winning a championship is as worthless as Harold Reynolds'. How is it admirable to opt to play for a front-runner? If the Yankees and the Royals were the main bidders for Zito, explain to me how admirable it would be for Zito to take less to play for the Yankees. In truth, players in general do prefer to play for good teams over bad ones, but the size of the discount they will give good teams is a sign not of nobility but of a different KIND of selfishness.

Now, if Zito were to agree to donate his salary to these causes of yours, where would the money go to?  Ahh, I know--to needy baseball executives, who would get to pay players less and pocket the extra money for themselves.

Star-divide

Speaking of which (and by now I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, since I've probably already offended or bored anyone who disagrees with me and they've quit reading): how in the world can you bash Zito for caring more about the almighty dollar than he does about pursuing championships, and fail to bash A's management in the same breath on the same score?  

In other words, if Zito can fall under the microscope for putting profit ahead of your personal hopes for the A's or your personal idea of what his legacy as a baseball player will be, then how can A's management not fall under that same judgement?  Aren't they choosing to stay profitable as a business at the expense of keeping talent on the team?  At the expense of the legacy of the A's?  Hell yes they are.  And I would submit that there's nothing wrong with that.  

But as long as you're getting all judgemental, you might as well say that if you're going to truly admire an owner as an individual beyond the game, you would expect him to run the organization at a loss, Eddie D style, or Wally Haas style.  I don't know about you, but I'm under the impression that the owners are richer than the players, so who should really be giving up money here, if anybody should?  

In conclusion, if I'm really going to admire any of you beyond this website, it's going to take an action like this:  send me an e-mail with your credit card number in it and written permission for me to use it as I see fit.  Or you could send me an e-mail pleading poverty, but making a written promise to send me some money the minute you get rich.  

Oh crap, I've gone on forever, and I probably pretty-much embodied the kind of pompousness that I was trying to attack. But if there's a better way to spend a Friday night, I can't imagine what that would be.  

Have a good weekend.</vent>

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That's funny:
Or the even-more-ridiculous, "take less money to play with a team that I think has a better chance of winning a championship" cause.

It's funny because that's what Zito's mantra was...and then he sold out for the cash $.  Hahahaha.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Jan 27, 2007 6:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.
If he'd just said "it's a whole wack of money and I can't say no," then I'd have respect for him. But this "I want to win championships" line, as he leaves an ALCS team for a team that won't make the playoffs again for a decade, was just ludicrous.

I don't begrudge him the cash (though I personally am doing a job that pays way less than my old one, because I love what comes with it - better hours, better workplace, better people), I just wish he would be honest about it.

Oh, and questioning whether the A's really want to win a Series when they just got a couple of wins away from one is kinda silly.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 27, 2007 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don't expect you to agree with me
But here is what I would argue:
  1. I also admire honesty and dislike lying in general.  But I'm less passionate about these issues when the alleged lie is about something not so important.  And that is the case here.  Who cares whether it's championships or money that Zito left chasing?  They're different types of things that people like getting.  Both you and the media in general seem to glorify the idea of free agents "wanting to go to a place where they can win a championship."  But hell, isn't there something glorious about playing great for a crappy team, like Ernie Banks did?  Wouldn't that be more glorious, to make a lousy team into a good one?  So in any case, when I hear Zito say "I want to go to a place where I can win championships," I tend to think he's being media-savvy, and I couldn't care less if he follows through on that.  Who does he owe it to to follow through on that?  It's a promise he's made only to himself.
  2. As a few other people have stated in this thread already, Zito may not have lied at all, because he may honestly believe that the Giants have a better shot at the WS than any of the other teams that wanted him.  Despite your opinions to the contrary.
  3. Your final line about how my "questioning whether the A's really want to win" is "really silly" is total b.s.  As you know, I didn't question whether the A's really wanted to win--of course they want to win, as does Zito , as does everybody.  But just as most players won't take a big paycut to  play on a championship-winning team, most teams (A's included) won't operate in the red to field  a championship-winning team.  
I don't expect you to "see the light" and suddenly see things my way; I imagine we're going to have to agree to disagree, ultimately.  Or disagree to agree.    
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jan 27, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All I ever
asked was for  Barry to take us out--his beloved fans--out for some pizza,  and maybe  some male bonding. That's all--oh my God!...That was all!

by Salvatore on Jan 27, 2007 7:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Z's favorite song
"Sell Out"

[verse]
well, I know you can't work in fast food all your life
but don't sign that paper tonight, she said,
but it's too late.

And I don't remember what I read,
don't remember what they said,
I guess it doesn't matter,
I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

[chorus]
you're gonna go to the record store
you're gonna give 'em all your money
radio plays what they want you to hear
they tell me it's cool but I just don't believe it...

sell out, with me oh yea, sell out, with me tonight
record company's gonna give me lots of money
and everything's gonna be (all right).

[verse]
no more flippin' burgers puttin' on my silly hat
you know I don't want that no more,
And I didn't ask when we'd get paid, I quit my day job anyway,
I guess it doesn't matter, I guess it doesn't matter anymore

[chorus]
You're gonna go to the record store,
you're gonna give 'em all your money,
radio plays what they want you to hear,
they tell me it's cool, I just don't believe it

sell out, with me oh yea, sell out
with me tonight, the records company's only give me
lots of money and everything's gonna be.

[bridge]
I don't think it'll be so bad
I know it won't be so bad
cause the man said "that's the way it is"
and the man said "it don't get better than this" no no no noo

[chorus]
so I signed on to the record company,
they say they're gonna give me lot's of money,
if I play what they want you to hear
they tell me it's cool, and I sure believe it...

sell out, with me oh yea, sell out, with me tonight
the record companies gonna give me lots of money and
everything's gonna be (all right).

I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Jan 27, 2007 7:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that's catchy
Here's a link to the tune
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jan 27, 2007 8:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reel Big Fish!!!
Beer is such a great song

by OAKobsession on Jan 28, 2007 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...
that would be a good song to sing sitting in the gutter in downtown Santa Cruz with a moneycup beside you.

by Salvatore on Jan 27, 2007 7:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

great post
I wasn't a big fan of Zito the player, but you can never, ever complain about some guy taking the largest paycheck he can get.  If he wants, the difference in money can take care of an extra 4 generations of his family...

by SeanR on Jan 27, 2007 8:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can complain..
If all he does is talk about wanting to win a championship and signs with a team who doesn't make the playoffs and is on the decline.
Fire Macha Yesterday!

by dboysick on Jan 27, 2007 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if the Giants make the playoffs
this year or next, what will be your response then?
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 27, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That armageddon is coming.
"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 27, 2007 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a bit much
Making the playoffs does not equal armageddon.

Winning the WS = armageddon!

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 27, 2007 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one problem
Over the next 7 years, it is more likely that the Giants win a World Series than the A's.  They spend more money, they have a nice looking rotation now, and Brian Sabean is one of the better GMs in baseball.

The Yankees and Red Sox apparently never really went after Zito.  So who, exactly, was he supposed to sign with to be a winner?

by SeanR on Jan 27, 2007 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you were serious until you said:
"Brian Sabean is one of the better GMs in baseball."

Dude, that's the best subtle humor I've ever seen on this site. I like, TOTALLY, thought you were serious for a moment.

Genius. Utter genius. Lenny Bruce would take lessons.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 27, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant
"one of the better tans."

by mikeA on Jan 27, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he could have signed with the mets
for 75 million or so.  that's a big pay cut, but it's still a ton of money, he'd be back with peterson, and in the huge media market he wants (which means money from endorsements).  i'm not saying he should have done that, but the mets DO have a better chance of winning than the giants.

sure the giants have a nice rotation, but that's all they have, no hitting, no defense, no bullpen.  and they don't spend that much money, certainly not after this zito signing.  and sabean is one of the worst GMs in baseball.

but this whole diary seems a bit pointless.  where the heck are all these zito haters?  i don't see them.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 27, 2007 9:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where are all the Zito haters?
On the front page? Blez's post?
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 27, 2007 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't read ice hockey stuff
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 27, 2007 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dear rubin-sierra-hater,
No, you make a good point--the title is a little wierd.  I could have just written "Dear Blez" as a response to his Brodeur post, but I figured a lot of people posted comments on there agreeing with him, so ... <shrug>
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jan 28, 2007 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
That was a great diary.  Deep down, we all agree with you.

The only thing I'll say is this...

When it's all Said and Done, Giambi, Miggy, McGwire, Huddy, Mulder, Swisher, and ZITO etc...will all say, "The best time I ever had in professional baseball was with the Oakland A's Organization."

Chavvy will say, "I know".

by Colorado Fan on Jan 27, 2007 9:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's a funny thing...
last offseason I heard a lot of clamor about Kenny Rogers signing with the Tigers. "Oh... he's just chasing the money. If he was interested in winning he'd never have signed with Detroit he'd have signed with <insert team name here>."

Anyone feel like taking that stance now?

It has been argued on this site often, the most recent volley coming from a front page story by Blez, that by signing with the Giants Barry Zito is forsaking any realistic chance at winning a championship. Really?

I'm not going to predict the Giants to win the 2007 NL West Pennant (I'm not sure who I like anywhere, I haven't kept track of all the player movement) but I'd like to point out that for all the crap Sabean gets for giving up 1st round picks to sign retirees, the Giants' farm system is not bare. They've got some arms who could help out this season and everyone knows about Tim Lincecum coming up the pipeline. They also have a couple position prospects who could be ready by 2008.

But wait, there's more.

Factoring built-in salary increases, arby deals and contracts coming off the books, the Giants look to have $20 million in cash to spend during the 2007-2008 offseason. And that number would get bigger if they bump the payroll. Their 2007 rotation of Zito, Cain, Lowry, Morris is just as good as any front 4 Oakland will probably manage this year (unless, of course, Harden can stay healthy all year) and the Giants' core of Zito, Cain and Lowry is locked up through 2010.

But wait, still more!

The Giants have 6 picks before the 2nd round in the 2007 draft! That includes 4 of the first 34 picks in the draft (#10, #22, #29, #34). Just to remind folks, the A's top 2 picks are at #26 and #46. So unless Sabean and his scouts completely blow it the Giants are looking at a large influx of young talent in about 5 months.

So I'm sorry if folks are upset with Zito's departure. But to criticize him for leaving the A's to join a team with "little chance" of ever winning a championship is premature speculation AT BEST! Zito followed the money. If that's enough to piss you off than that's your business, I'm not about to interfer or even try to make you feel better.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Jan 27, 2007 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Giants
"Their 2007 rotation of Zito, Cain, Lowry, Morris is just as good as any front 4 Oakland will probably manage this year (unless, of course, Harden can stay healthy all year) and the Giants' core of Zito, Cain and Lowry is locked up through 2010."

Haren, Loaiza, Blanton, Kennedy = Zito, Cain, Lowry, Morris

Just sayin'.

Grover > Sabean

by Colorado Fan on Jan 27, 2007 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How Dare You
How can you be so damned realistic. We don't need any common sense around here. This is a baseball blog in winter! A fan site (fanatic.) For most of us the difference between 60 million and 120 million is ZERO. They are impossible amounts of money. Did I expect, or wish for Zito to resign with the A's - hell no. Would I rather have Zito starting than Kennedy? Of course. But this is the A's and for the next 2-3 years we are still going to lose guys, maybe Zito is the last of them. I just wish Zito had signed with the Dodgers then he'd be out of the AL AND a thorn in the Giants ass. The Giants suck.

"And if the Giants make the Playoffs." They still suck.

Morris = Heredia

Oh yeah, uh...I was at the flower shop too. Yep. Getting drunk at the ol' flower shop. - Homer Simpson

by DCinWC on Jan 27, 2007 10:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

100% agree.
Zito made the right decision.  No sane human being would forfeit $60M to stay with the Silicon Valley A's of Fremont.  It could easily be argued that the Giants have a better chance of winning a championship in the next seven years than the A's do.  The only way you cancall him out on not caring about winning a championship is if he signed with:

Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Washington
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Colorado

and maybe Seattle.  The Giants have more money to spend, and as good (if not better) a rotation as the A's do.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Jan 27, 2007 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, Jeepers. No.
The Giants have zero chance of winning a championship, and that chance moves into negatives with each passing year as they brutalize their farm system and send stupid money to 42-year-olds.

And while I agree that's too much money to ignore, the proper way to address it is "if I sign this deal, I'll be making stupid money and be set for the rest of my life, my kids' lives, and their kids' lives. So thanks for the good times, hope to see you in the Series..." not "I want to win a championship, so I'm leaving an ALCS team for the old-timers club."

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 27, 2007 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, you're selling the Giants short.
If you've been watching the A's for the past six years, you know full well that if you have a dominant pitching staff, you can overcome a mediocre offense.  Lowry, Cain, Zito, Sanchez, and Lincecum has the potential for dominance written all over it.

Once Bonds is off the books, they have all the money in the world to sign free agents and plug offensive holes.  The health of their farm system isn't nearly as important to them as it is to a team like the A's.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Jan 27, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lincecum will be great, but..
...he was pitching against the Vancouver Canadians last season. A bit of a leap to put him into the rotation now, don't you think?

Yes, I'm absolutely selling the Giants short. I'm short-selling them as quickly as I can.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Jan 27, 2007 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They have Morris in the interim.
Every rotation needs a Loaiza.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Jan 27, 2007 5:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But A's fans hate the Giants,
ergo, the Giants suck. Thus, Zito is a greedy money grubbing loser.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Jan 27, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

screw Zito
.

by SwisherSweet on Jan 27, 2007 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that's cool
that doesn't bother me.  If you want to throw him under the bus because he's not on the A's anymore, that's understandable.  

It's just like the Zito-haters are saying about Zito:  how they don't mind people leaving for more money, but they just wish said people wouldn't  claim not to care about money.

Well I don't want mind hating on Zito.  I just wish said haters wouldn't claim their hating is due to high-minded moral principles.

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Jan 27, 2007 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BB on KNBR Friday
During his recent appearance on KNBR Beane stated that "as soon as the first brick was layed" the A's would alter their spending to no longer lose players to the big contract. I doubt he will go crazy when allowed to spend more. A Beane who spends wisely with more money is goiing to be fun to watch. Even if many of us are left in the dust as they move.
Oh yeah, uh...I was at the flower shop too. Yep. Getting drunk at the ol' flower shop. - Homer Simpson

by DCinWC on Jan 27, 2007 12:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hate both you and Blez
because I agree with both of you.  Thanks for bringing passionate, well-thought out arguments to both sides of an issue that I was already very ambivalent about!
"Is this heaven? No, it's the f'ing suburbs."

by LAXile on Jan 28, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good post
I am pretty good at my job, make a decent competetive salary and like the people I work with. However, if the time came where the company could no longer pay me the going wage and I felt my ongoing employment was in doubt, I would start looking for a new job.  If another employer, who was in an area I liked, in the same industry, was was willing to boost my salary by 100+%, I would be gone in a New York minute.  In any business now, there is no loyalty to employees and as a result no loyalty from employee to employer. You need to look out for yourself.  That said, I am going to miss watching Zito pitch for the A's and I think his going will equate to a loss in the clubhouse.  I hope he is able to take some of that fun factor to the Giants and I wish him well.  I do not begrudge him his paycheck one bit (although I think all professional athletes are way overpaid . . .but that is capitalism afterall).
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Jan 28, 2007 9:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Co-sign.
I already said my .02 on one of blez's post a day or two ago.

As much as I hate the Giants and San Francisco, I strangely don't harbor any ill feelings toward zito for signing with them. I actually look fwd to seeing him pitch. At least with him on the field, I'll have some interest in their games for a change.

by sf drift king on Jan 29, 2007 12:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again
Me too. I thought from the outset that him signing with the Giants would be a bad thing. But, at the very least, he will be on TV in the Bay Area. Its better than seeing him suit up in a Texas uniform.

I have to admit, it has been funny to listen to all the bitchy Giant fans talk about his W/L record or his 85 mph fastball. And.. yes.. he is not Sandy Kofax (my personal fav.)

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone"

by Parklife on Jan 31, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
for mentioning Adam Piatt. I still miss Adam Piatt even though most A's fans couldn't stand him.

by Reg on Jan 29, 2007 6:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Me too. Craig Pawcette(?) and Brent Gates too.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Jan 29, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

giant draft picks
one has to remember even with the picks that the giants have that they will without doubt go on the cheap on those picks.  don't be surprised if they draft 3rd and 4th rounders in first or second round slots.

by jasonlbe on Jan 29, 2007 4:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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