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All-Time, All-Star, All-SOB team

I thought it would be amusing to assemble an allstar team comprised soley of SOB's.  Lou Gherig types need not apply.  I want a team that if fielded in your home town, not even their mothers would cheer for them.  I'm not talking about the occassional display of poor judgement.  Felons are highly encouraged to apply.  Extra points if you have been convicted.  If you want to make this team, you gotta work for it.  I want guys who left no doubt that they were amoungst the worst human beings to ever grace a baseball field.  You should have at least put up decent, if not spectacular numbers for at least a couple of seasons.  Also considered will be those who may have been decent people off the field, but their conduct on the field was at least reprehensible.  I'm looking at you Bob Gibson.  Would you have really drilled your mother in the ass with a ball if she had the nerve to crowd the plate?  I think so.

The Captain of my all-star all-prick team is....Tyrus Cobb.  You, Georgia Peach, lived during the most racially segregated period in American history when civil rights for black Americans were almost non existant.  Yet you managed to not only get arrested twice, but prosecuted twice for assaulting black Americans.  In 1915 that took effort.  My hat is off to you, you obnoxious bastard.  

In an effort to contribute to racial disharmony in the outfield, I nominate Barry Bonds as left fielder dujour.  Your prickishness is well known, as is your penchant to lie to grand juries.  For thumbing your nose at the baseball establishment and the American baseball fan, I tip my cap.  Wouldn't you just love to sit in the bleachers and listen to Cobb and Bonds jaw at each other?  

And speaking of breaking laws and baseball custom, how ya doing Pete Rose?  Your my starting thirdbaseman.  You of the patented, "I never bet on baseball" fame.  Giamatti not only banned you for life, he suffered an early demise from a heart attack in part because of the stress you inflicted on the old guy.  20 years later you come semi clean, but only because you believe that the lifetime ban may in fact last at least until your lifetime is complete.  You are one self serving bastard, and I tip my cap.  

My relief pitcher is John Rocker.  Cause he's just too stupid to leave off the list.  Sure you may have distasteful racial views, but did you really think that an SI reporter wouldn't blab them to the world if you elucidated them during an interview?  You may also be eligible for the all time simpleton award.  

Bob Gibson.  Perhaps the meanest man to ever hold a baseball on the mound.  Cause there was one thing for sure in a series with Gibson on the Hill.  Someone was gonna get drilled.  Pity the poor rookies who were sent to the box like sheep to the slaughter.  Everyone in the stadium knew what was about to happen.  And like a bad train wreck, everyone howled when you delivered.

That's all I have for now.  Please feel free to add your choices to the all-star all-sob team.  This team may be the first in history to have a benchs clearing brawl involving only the guys from their own benchs.

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Albert Belle
When teased by a fan about his drinking ("Hey Joey, keg party at my house"), Belle threw a ball and hit the fan in the chest.  Belle was caught bat corking; ensuing hilarity featured young, slim Jason Grimsley crawling through ceiling tiles to steal the seized bat from the umps locker room.  Scheme failed when Grimsley left Paul Sorrento's bat behind in its place).  Kids egged Belles house; he chased them down with his SUV, lightly hitting one kid.  A lifetime pattern of domestic violence was continued last year when Bellle was convicted of stalking an ex by hiding a GPS device on her car.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 1, 2007 4:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

still get shivers
when I see the replay of him clotheslining a poor infielder back in the day.
death to myspace!

by malikot on Jan 1, 2007 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They should have
given Albert a role in "The Longest Yard".

by Salvatore on Jan 1, 2007 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it was
Fernando Vina, no?

Pretty football-esque for sure

by WhatElse on Jan 1, 2007 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it was...
And there are very few people who deserved it more.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 1, 2007 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing was
Belle had two shots.  Early in the game, grounder to Vina at 2B, Belle pulled up short and let himself be tagged out.  Few innings later, same situation, Belle decided he wasn't going down easy, and clotheslined Vina.

I think Belle got fined or suspended, but to this day I'm not sure he did anything against the rules.

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 1, 2007 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cap Anson an historic racist
On an early (1888, I think) globe-trekking baseball tour he reputedly attempted to throw the mascot (who was African-American) into the shark infested waters of the Pacific ocean:

   One day, a couple of the players noticed a "streak of light" near the boat, which the captain informed them was a man-eating shark of a sort so vicious that they had been known to "spring on the deck of a steamer, select a victim, and amdke their escape before they could be thwarted."
  The captain then ordered that the "sea wolf", which continued to follow the boat, be caught.  A heavy line and a huge hook were prepared, and a debate of sorts about the appropriate bait broke out.  According the (John Montgomery) Ward:
   Anson offered to solve the question... by offering Clarence Duval, the little ebony-hued mascot... as a tidbit for the shark, but Clarence made such strenuous objections that the plan was abandoned. - that's from the excellent JM Ward bio by Bryan DiSalvatore

Judging from other accounts, John McGraw and Hughie Jennings should also be on this list. Dixie Walker, too.  I'll probably think of some others... oh yeah, Don Hoak had an incredibly bad reputation for fighting on the field...

by Brian in 317 on Jan 1, 2007 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I loved the story about Anson,
and don't doubt that it's true.  If I remember correctly, he played a pivotal role in black Americans being excluded from organized baseball in the first place.  I'm sure we can find a spot for him on the team.  About Walker I'm not so sure.  While he enspoused racist views during his playing days, that was hardly unusual for his times.  We could stock entire leagues with people from history with racist views.  I think he and Jackie Robinson later made peace, in so much as two very proud men can, with Walker tacitly acknowlegding that he was in the wrong.

Now Anson on the other hand seems to have taken his racial animosity to a new high (or low) that makes him worthy of SOB consideration.  Contemplating the use of human beings as bait is symptomatic of a seriously disturbed mind.

And as long as were not being investigated by the Feds for violation of the ADA, we can surely find a spot for Albert Belle.  Those are priceless stories.  Perpetuating violence upon children, assaulting fans, and stalking by electronic means.  High tech and schizo.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 1, 2007 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin Francisco
But shouldn't his name really be Francisco Francisco?

by Brian in 317 on Jan 1, 2007 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No
It should be Francisco Franciscans of Francisco.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 2, 2007 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How could we forget!
Carl Everett!!!

by hit it long T on Jan 1, 2007 5:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i think i hear a phone ringing for carl
"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with all her teeth out." - George Brett

by burnone on Jan 2, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Dave Kingman
when he sent a dead mouse in the mail to that female sportswriter?He was with the A's, then. He wasn't too popular with the press.

by Salvatore on Jan 1, 2007 7:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hate to see Kingy on this list
I liked him a lot. The rat incident was an unfortunate footnote on a pretty amazing career.  It was pretty classless, but I personally wouldn't put him on this list because of it, though it may have ended his career.  

That last year for the A's I think he hit 35 dingers!  You think a guy like that would be unsigned at age 36 (I think that was his age when he retired) in today's market?

by Brian in 317 on Jan 2, 2007 6:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a broadcaster say this once...
"Dave Kingman is the most misunderstood player in the game. Most people don't understand how big of an asshole he really is."
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Jan 2, 2007 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair
I never heard Kingy have any big problem with any of his teammates. But, if he was a real jerk according to all those broadcasters and writers--well--these guys ought to go look at themselves in the mirror because a lot of these media people are some of the most arrogant egotistiical sob's around.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Piersall Billy Martin
Need I say more?

by Salvatore on Jan 1, 2007 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Karim Garcia and Jeff Nelson
Remember when they got in a brawl with that Red Sox groundskeeper?

by jsiegel on Jan 1, 2007 8:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Owner of the All Star SOB Team
Should be Steinbrenner.  Yeah, I know we all like to destroy this guy for his over-spending.

CUT, he IS a convicted felon, AND was banned from baseball for LIFE. (Both were later pardoned)  Also, he's such an SOB, he's had one son, and one son-in-law quit working for the Yankees!

Tear down Mount Davis!

by polytician on Jan 2, 2007 6:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can Finley be his GM?
"San Jose A's of Fremont" is embarassing

by ArakSOT on Jan 2, 2007 7:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marge Schott
could be his assistant GM.  Comments about "monkeys" and Nazi paraphenelia in the office if I remember correctly.
death to myspace!

by malikot on Jan 2, 2007 8:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Additional details
Steinbrenner's felony conviction was for making illegal contributions to Richard Nixon's campaign (Stein was later pardoned by Reagan).  And Steinbrenner's ban was for paying a low life gambler to dig up dirt with which to smear the character of his All-Star outfielder Dave Winfield.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 2, 2007 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...
Steinbrenner, Schott, and Finley would round out the front office nicely.  Martin as manager doesn't sound to bad.  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 2, 2007 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Truly a man behind his time!
He can be in charge of scouting.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 2, 2007 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Steinbrenner was placed on the permanently
ineligible list by Bowie Kuhn, a complete ass of a commissioner. He made so many mistakes and blunders as commissioner, I have no idea how he lasted as long as he did.
See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jan 2, 2007 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Charlie Finley
always used to call Bowie Kuhn an idiot. Come to think of it...Charlie used to say when he was at these meetings with all the other Major League owners that he's never seen so many idiots  in his life.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The whole story is...
Finley did not like Kuhn because he denied the trade of three A's players to Boston for cash. He also trade Vida Blue to the Yankees for cash.Kuhn deined the trades as they were not in the "best interests of Baseball." Finley did it as he knew he would loose all of his players to free agency.(he deserved to.)So Finley called Kuhn the village idiot. Kuhn demanded Finley make a public apology. Finley called a press conference to make his "apology". It was short and to the point. "I apologise to all of the village idiots out there."

by billyball1981 on Jan 3, 2007 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those were the days
Seriously.  Bowie Kuhn was the last commissioner who even pretended to occupy middle ground between owners and players.  After Kuhn, the Commissioner job was changed to be a direct employee of the owners.  This was mostly about labor issues for the owners; Fay Vincent was later fired for not properly understanding who his bosses were.  The notion of Selig today thwarting an owner in the best interests of baseball seems quaint.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 3, 2007 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Selig Makes me sick
When he stole the Pilots from Seattle two weeks before the 1970 season started, he said Seattle was not a major league city. Seems that they do better than Milwaukee. The fact that MLB made him Comissioner is a farce. Kuhn was weak as was General Eckert before him. The owners only want someone they can control.

by billyball1981 on Jan 4, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

managerial choices
Leo Durocher -- The model SOB. He didn't quite say "nice guys finish last" but the intent was clear.
Bobby Valentine -- A more modern version.
John McGraw -- The original SOB. Also one the best managers ever.
Casey Stengel -- Much beloved because he was quotable, he was as much a jerk as they came. He did to the young Warren Spahn what Ozzie Guillen did to that guy last year, ordering to hit a batter and sending him to the minors when he didn't.

by vk on Jan 2, 2007 7:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My nominees
Owner: The D-Rays owner(Obvious)
Catcher: A.J. Pyrzienski(ask the Giants trainer, whom he kneed in the nuts)
Lefty Reliever: Steve Howe (banned for life because of cocaine abuse, then re-instated)
 
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Jan 2, 2007 8:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not obvious
Why the D-Rays ownership?  Are you thinking of the original ownership group, or is there something about the new ownership group who took over last year?
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Jan 2, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ever accuse me of thinking...
or you make an "acc" out of "us" and "e".
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Jan 2, 2007 8:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

eeek, John Rocker
I've never been less pleased to be part of a crowd than when I was in the Turner Field stands the night Rocker was given a standing ovation as he returned from his suspension for being a jackass.  Signs of "Rocker for President" were everywhere.  Sigh.  No wonder the stereotypes of southern people being slack-jawed yocals refuse to die.

by Eric in Atlanta on Jan 2, 2007 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Billy Martin
...is my player (2B) manager. I cut Piersall slack because he had diagnosed psychological problems. He wasn't an SOB, just in another universe. Martin picked on Piersall when he was at his most vulnerable.

I say no on Gibson. There are/were lots of pitchers who were not reluctant to hit a batter.

by NoeValley on Jan 2, 2007 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting about Jimmy Piersall...
At one time he was in the A's broadcast booth and he actually sounded like a pretty good guy after he got his brain cleaned up. Yeah, I think he's probably flyin with the angels in perfect weather while Billy Martin may be  somewhere where it's about 10,000 degrees.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

However Gibson is off the field,
even his own teammates stayed away from him come game day.  He would curse his catcher out for even coming to the mound!  And he had a well deserved reputation as one mean SOB around MLB when he was on the hill.  All that said, I would have still loved to see him play!
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 2, 2007 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he once told
Tim McCarver to get the hell back behind the plate because the only thing (McCarver) knew about pitching was that he couldn't hit it.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 2, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Gibson...
And I watched him pitch a few times but I was too  young to really appreciate him,  but, if he really wanted to hurt a guy bad, he would have. On the other hand, he could intimidate the hell out of batters, except for the great ones like Willy Mays and some of the other big stars of the day. Never heard a bad word about Gibby--he was well respected--and everything you guys said about Gibby was true. That's just the way the game was in those days. Don Drysdale was probably just as mean or meaner than Gibson when it came to knocking guys down at the plate. Both these guys, though, had enough talent and common sense to know how to throw a baseball enough to intimidate but not kill a guy.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great Gibson/Clemente story
Clemente had a way of dealing with brush back pitchers like Gibson.  He'd hit balls right back at them.  After a career's worth of balls in the ribs and brush backs from Gibson, Clemente got his revenge (I think it was in '68) by breaking the pitcher's leg with a liner up the middle.  Dan Drysdale (another notorious inside pitcher) actually stated that he retired specifically because he didn't want to be killed by Clemente(this was a few days after Clemente took the top 1/2 inch of his EAR off with a vicious liner).

by Brian in 317 on Jan 3, 2007 7:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy Like a Fox
When Piersall was on the Indians (early '60's) he was regularly getting himself thrown out of the 2nd game of Sunday doubleheaders. I think they discovered that he had plane reservations to fly home to Boston whenever Monday was an off day.

Anthony Perkins played Piersall in "Fear Strikes Out" and the star of "Psycho" has the wild eyed looked down cold. However, he has the worst form as a ballplayer since Gary Cooper.

Two more nominees:
  Kirk Gibson, hearsay is that he is a total pr*ck
  Tony Phillips who terrorized rookies including his
  teammates

by NoeValley on Jan 2, 2007 3:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rogers Hornsby.
Notorious SOB, although he sure could hit the cover off the ball.  Imagine Cobb and him batting 3-4; you'd destroy opposing pitchers and also any team chemistry!
"There's one word that says it all about baseball--you never know." - Joaquin Andujar

by TheBigO on Jan 2, 2007 4:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

PETE ROSE
...has to find a place on this team.  

Of course there is the betting on baseball, and his extremely tacky take on the collectibles market, but anyone who witnessed his highly unnecessary shot on Ray Fosse at home plate in the 1970 All-Star game knows what a jerk this guy was, and presumably still is.

"The bigger the game, the better he pitched."

by Catfish27 on Jan 2, 2007 8:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Charlie Hustler
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Jan 2, 2007 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Bart Giamatti
Mr. Giamatti may have been a gentleman and a scholar in other circumstances, but he presided over baseball while the collusion was going on in the late 80s. So yeah, he's not my friend...
See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jan 2, 2007 9:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

who was clearly an SOB to a certain Red...
No, if anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am NOT drinking any f*&%ing Merlot!
French Vanilla

by Ice Cream on Jan 2, 2007 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got to say
this has been the most fun diary for me on AN--even more fun than those times when I've really pissed people off.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 10:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL...
are you nominating yourself for #1fan?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 2, 2007 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gladly
take that honor.

by Salvatore on Jan 2, 2007 11:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh almost forgot, Lefty Grove
He had the most fierce reputation and disposition, and probably deserves mention here.  He was really more of just a gruff, unfriendly type though, than the true SOB.  But if we're gonna put Bob Gibson here, Lefty deserves mention as well, since no one had a worse reputation in his day for throwing at players.

When Lefty threw BP, he had a rule: no one was allowed to 1.hit it hard, or 2. up the middle, or he would HIT HIS OWN GUYS in BP.  Doc Cramer used to try to hit the last pitch of his BP session up the middle, since retaliation wouldn't be forthcoming.  But apparently Lefty would remember and hit him the next time he pitched BP!

by Brian in 317 on Jan 3, 2007 7:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sal "the Barber" Maglie
"A little chin music" I think they invented that phrase just for him.  Sal the barber tought Don Drysdale all he knew, and it wasn't on how to run a barbershop.

by Salvatore on Jan 3, 2007 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BURLEIGH GRIMES
It's said that he was a nice guy off the field, but on it he was one of baseball's nastiest players.  He once threw at a guy IN THE ON-DECK CIRCLE!
"The bigger the game, the better he pitched."

by Catfish27 on Jan 4, 2007 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

awesome!
Where'd you hear that one?  I wonder if it was a spitter?

by Brian in 317 on Jan 7, 2007 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

two more oldtimers
submitted for your consideration by the Veteran's committee: Carl Mays and Hal Chase.

Carl Mays was a submarine style pitcher with a great reputation for throwing inside (led the league in Hit batters year after year).   He is the only pitcher to have killed a batter (Ray Chapman) with a pitched ball.  Though he claimed it was an accident, few believed the surly pitcher who also notoriously left his team to go fishing in July because he and they were having a bad year.  

Hal Chase was probably the best fielding first baseman of his era (though George Sisler was also terrific).  But he was a gambler, and would manipulate on-field situations to his advantage.  He was ultimately kicked out of the league when they finally found proof of his cheating ways.

by Brian in 317 on Jan 3, 2007 7:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Killing someone with a ball
gets you automatic tenure on this team.  Whether or not you intended to do so is irrelevant.  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 3, 2007 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

does that include
Dave Winfield and Randy Johnson?  Both of them killed birds with thrown balls.
death to myspace!

by malikot on Jan 3, 2007 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They killed
two birds with one stone.  Just wanted to beat Nico to that joke.

by Salvatore on Jan 3, 2007 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I looked up Carl Mays
on the internet to see what happened to him after he killed Ray Chapman and it said he just "shrugged it off" and went on to have a great career. Most definitely belongs on this list and should get the cap and gown as the valedictorian.

by Salvatore on Jan 4, 2007 5:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And also...
an interesting footnote I almost forgot was that Ty Cobb, (of all people), tried to get Carl Mays banned from the game after that. When even Ty Cobb thinks you're too mean of a SOB for the game you know this guy was something special.

by Salvatore on Jan 4, 2007 5:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Canseco anyone?
I can't beleive that he didn't make this list!

by may7 on Jan 3, 2007 3:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here are two little known AH's
Stan Williams, Pitcher. He would use batters as a target if they hit him in prior at bats. He was in the minors and was hit by a pitch. Six or seven years later he faces the pitcher that hit him and drilled him on the first pitch.
John Bateman, catcher. beat up a scorekeeper after a game because he felt he was ripped off when he called his "hit" an error.

by billyball1981 on Jan 3, 2007 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Unpopular
But still viable; Milton Bradley. I dont advocate him being on the list but you could make an argument that even if he has changed, he still deserves a shot for past events.

Too bad Latrelle Sprewell didn't play baseball...

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jan 3, 2007 10:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Alox,
I think your diary and all it's responses is classic. How dare the AN gods pull us off the main page so fast. But, maybe it was time--before the thing ran it's course and started going down hill, like Gunsmoke or Bonanza, before they finally pulled those shows. I think this is one diary to printout and save--I really do.

by Salvatore on Jan 4, 2007 11:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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