Michael Lewis: The AN Audio Interview and August Contest Winner
Michael Lewis, the man whose book thrust Billy Beane in the eye of a hurricane, has stopped by to talk with AN several times in the past. He's discussed his ongoing project involving the A's draft class of 2002 currently titled, "Underdogs."
Lewis and I sat down for lunch yesterday and discussed everything from his progress on the new book to why the A's may well be in trouble long-term no matter how smart Billy is. I figured this would be a nice treat for an off day.
The interview is broken up into two mp3s, the first being six minutes or so, the second around an hour (we were interrupted by the server asking us if we wanted anything else).
I truly enjoyed this interview because Lewis is so insightful into everything A's. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did doing it.
Click here for part one of my Michael Lewis interview.
Click here for part two of my Michael Lewis interview.
If anyone wants to volunteer to transcribe this, I would be willing to run the text at a later date as well, but I think a lot of folks enjoy the audio.
To me, the most telling and ominous quote in the whole interview is that the "game is almost over" for the A's. You'll have to listen to see what Lewis means by it.
Oh and drum roll, please...the winner of the A's DVD is...Sporty Spice for ESPN on Notice!
Here are how the final three broke down:
In third place, with 16 votes - Nico In response to Nick, "MLB.tv is showing the KC crowd between innings and they just showed a dude in an A's cap with a "Bring Back Dan Johnson" sign. Is that an ANer?"
Sadly, it was Dan Johnson
In second place, with 18 votes - monkeyball
In response to Sharon's, "Seriously, where did Mulder's fastball go?"
Over the fence, repeatedly?
IN FIRST PLACE:
With 23 votes...SportySpice
ESPN -- You're on Notice!
So, SportySpice, you're on notice! Meaning email me your mailing address and I'll get the spanking new DVD out to you immediately. Congratulations!
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Lewis says
You mean, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE (on an off-day, no less)!!!!!!
Is it unicorn ride over for A's?
Winning has become a tired act
Yeah, I screwed up Zonis
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I had him confused with another pitcher
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Pettyjohn still a good story
Pettyjohn had a promising rookie year with the Tigers, then bounced around a bit and eventually had a pretty bad illness - I believe it was colitis - which kept him out of baseball for a year. He's been working his way back and fighting to keep playing. I'm pulling for him.........
Thank you !!
And I want to thank ..<windup music cues>
But really, I can't wait to watch this video. I wasn't an A's fan during that era, so I have a lot to learn. (The Indians were my team till I moved out here and switched to the A's.)
GO A's!! I LOVE THIS TEAM!
by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Sep 7, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this mean...
"extreme incuriosity"
"high school girl level of insecurity about what they don't know..." that was pretty unfair to high school girls, several of whom have been welcome, intelligent contributors to AN.
These heartfelt, interesting inteviews are the real soul of this site, for me.
window closing, unless
EXCEPT.
If the anti-curious people like Joe Morgan and Plaschke can gain enough public status to influence baseball decisions, then the window can stay open longer.
IGNORANCE IS OUR FRIEND.
The best thing that could happen for the A's (besides baseball implementing some kind of salary balancing) would be if the Red Sox Nation gets tired of these new-fangled number-nerds and lynch Theo, Bill James and others, and return to old school roots.
Other than that, big money is going to win in the medium run.
I disagree
by walk off bunt on Sep 7, 2006 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Marlins
What the Marlins are doing this year on a $15 million payroll is amazing, but they would be totally out of the playoff chase in the AL (or even the NL in almost every season). And as bright as their future looks, improvement is not a given for a young team (see Cleveland Indians 2006).
Good points, certainly
by walk off bunt on Sep 8, 2006 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Text Please
You're free to transcribe it if you'd like
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta Agree
I'd be willing to transcript upon request, however offering it up violates my Code of Procrastination, which is inviolate.
I'm a helpful gal nonetheless
by LD on Sep 8, 2006 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Congrats to the Winners.
by nfadil4 on Sep 7, 2006 1:53 PM PDT reply actions
The interviews are up on the podcast link.
just plug that into iTunes or whatever podcatcher you're using and they'll download for ya.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/athleticsnationpodcast
I bet on the A's
This year odd went off at 14-1.
Tigers were 100-1 over the winter.
I should check and see what the Marlins were.
where did that "s" go?
LOL
For those of us
by Checkswing HR on Sep 7, 2006 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
because
left for the A's to exploit.
by oak1 on Sep 7, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
We can thank ML for exposing
by dmac13 on Sep 7, 2006 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't gotten that far...
No, not equally smart.
I would like
by WhiteElephantGuy on Sep 7, 2006 4:18 PM PDT reply actions
Again
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
"game is almost over"
by takebart on Sep 7, 2006 6:22 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, I didn't get that, either.
basically
If that is his take:
He praises the all mighty braintrust in A's Camp and then says, in short, they got lucky to find these three market trends undervalued.
I say, pishaw!!!
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
hee hee
I say, pick up a bat Wall Street:
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta say
Training: Any team that puts Joe Blanton on an excersize bike is in the dark ages in terms of effecient training. (1) Exerbikes convert muscle fiber from type IIb to I, from fast twitch to slow. Don't believe me? Ask Lance armstrong, with his legs the size of pile drivers, for his verticle leap. I doubt one could see sunshine under there. (2) I have heard Rich Harden talk about his three sets of 10 work outs. Thats antiquated Joe Wieder body building BS. Good for slow twitch build and bulk. Without adequate recovery, you are asking for muscle tears. (3) machine asist weight room. Oh, thaaat's a good idea. Lets get these boys really strong muscle bellies wihtout the tendon and ligament strength to support the power. You need to move in three deminsions, and put loads on your joints and grip to increase the stregth of the connective tissue. The A's approach leads to injury, or predisposes to injury. Those boys are like Frankenstien out there, a collection of body parts.
Injury prevention: from pre-hab, to better rest, better traveling conditions, to better food options, the A's are not even scratching the surface.
Psych testing: The Indians and Orioles are really pioneering in these departments, testing correlations in psych make up with success. Orioles had disqulified Artur Rhodes from ever closing while he was still in the minor leagues. had the fastball, but not the mentality, to support it. Wow, that was an expensive mistake we could have avoided.
Minor leagues: Can't teach someone better strike zone judgement? The A's incentize taking balls by advancing people? that sounds a little archiac. There was a time when people said skiing could not be taught. That is was inborn, or learned too early to teach. You were put on a mountain, and if you came down well, well, then you were a skier. Someone then broke down the composite movements of skiing from sucessful skiiers, realized that they all did certain things, and that those skills could be isolated and taught. Get to work boys.
I don't want to be the Marlins. 2 WS victories in 10 years and look at their attendance. I wouold rather own the A's who did not win, but always compete. That puts fans in seats, not occasional runs with sucessive fire sales. That is NO WAY to run a team if you are the owner, and cr*ppy if you are a fan. Yeah, it sucks the A's are always going ot have to be more clever. But then again, they have less to lose.
There is the story about the man who is condemned to death and tells the king that he can train a horse to talk. The king gives him a year, and a horse. The man's cell mate asks him if he is crazy, adn the man replies "alot can happen in a year. The king may die. The horse may die. There might be a revolution, or invasion. Or the horse may talk". Well, a lot can happen in a year. The A's need to hold on. The Owners, or the MLBPA might change the rules of the game again. There might be an innovation in another aspect besides numbers. We might figure out the best drafting strategy. Michael Lewis knows derivatives. He does not know nutrition, training, psychology, or any of the other possibilties which might free the A's. I am not giving up yet.
By the way Billy Beane, if you are reading this, I can improve the training of your players considerably. Stronger, less muscle, fewer injuries, less time, faster recovery. Its not rocket science, its just that the people who are writting about weight lifting have supplements to sell, and an agenda to push. Just give me a call.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Sep 8, 2006 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
good ideas
The question is how much bang can we get out of them? Preventing injuries is surely the biggest win (even keeping Rich healthy all year would have been 5+ wins more), but everyone and their mom is trying to do that, so it's hard to imagine a big breakthrough (yoga for everyone?).
The second biggest win would probably be better minor league development (coupled with better drafting). It sounds like there is still a lot of medieval thinking there.
I wonder about the psychological testing myself... it always sounded like a bunch of crap to me in practice, though the theory sounds good.
But do you Dig a Pony?
preach it, brother!
They don't train (in both senses of the word) guys to stay healthy.
They don't train Zitoesque mental toughness/Zen/etc.
They don't train basic skills (not just bunting, but all mechanical swing aspects, fielding, etc.).
They might teach a bit of pitching mechanics, but the emphasis seems to be much heavier on simply limiting pitch counts and avoiding high-stress pitching situations (so that TINSTAAPs with lousy mechanics can simply be traded to other teams for more valuable prospects in return before they blow out their arms).
Ron Washington gets a lot of props (and rightly so) for his work with the infielders -- but the more important question might be, Why do the A's bring up so many players so desperately in need of such intensive fielding training?
It seems to me that the A's under Beane have simply decided that they won't bother trying to develop players -- that their initial scouting judgment should be sufficient to project a player's potential success, and that everything thereafter is entirely on each individual player's shoulders.
Which, again, seems to be a case of Billy doing as every other GM does: overextrapolating from his own personal experience (BB was a "natural" but lacked the mental discipline of a Lenny Dykstra) to generate organizational procedures.
It'll never be game over for the A's.
AN Day II
Blez threw it to him...
Dude
I wrote that
Hmm...Don't recall the CGs
How dare you make fun
Honestly
Don't get short with me, young man--
not funny
But not not funny.
So...
Because that's kinda wrong.
LOL--NO!
Nico-
I didn't say it was a CGV violation
Just refering to an
I know
Do you not know who the Rev is? Lucky you.
Way to bring it all together!
This website
by DavidA on Sep 8, 2006 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me????
It would've been good if Robb had said something. Have him email me.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure he didn't receive it
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 7, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Great interview--
I've just arranged to move to Guam in November, 2011 and live out my life as a fisherman, knowing that the 2012 team might not be competitive.
One thing that could mitigate against this disaster of only being contenders for 13 straight years is just good old fashioned "successful scouting"--the part that isn't Scientific but results from intuitive, experience, wise scouts happening to make the right choices. Let's order some of that for, say, 2009--an exceptional scouting year for no reason other than "we had a good year"--and we should be fine.
That happened in 2005-06!!!
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 8, 2006 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Bravo! Bravo!
Michael Lewis is a very interesting chap. (news alert) But I must say that I think he still possesses a bit of that "Huge Swinging Schlong" syndrome that he wrote about in Liar's Poker. I wouldn't say cocky...but close. Doesn't matter though, because he has every right to be. Respect.
Lewis is fricking genius!!!!
by Sashulia on Sep 8, 2006 8:04 AM PDT reply actions
wonderful
So nice to hear a smart person holding forth on any subject. Even nicer when the A's are the focus of said smart person's holding forth.
Lewis is a fun author and Liar's Poker has certainly entered canon, but this interview shows how nimble his thinking is.
thanks blez, this was gold
Good job,Blez.
I enjoyed the audio
Moneyball movie
Thanks, Blez, for an entertaining interview.

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