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DLD 9/5/06--BOOOOOOO, Miss Cleo!

Yesterday was not a good day for our intrepid elephants, as we were taken to the woodshed by the Texas Rangers.  As has already been discussed at some length in Blez's post-game wrap, Jay Payton took exception to being booed by Oakland fans for the bad plays he made in the Coliseum's horrendous day-game sunfield.  

My motto on this is "Don't Boston Oakland."  One of the things I like so much better about West coast sports, having grown up on the East coast, is that it's a lot more positive out here.

But I digress--the real entity to boo for yesterday's loss is Miss Cleo, at least according to Barry Zito:

In Zito's previous start against the Rangers, Aug. 25 in Arlington, he carried a no-hitter into the eighth inning, and after the game he playfully gave credit for his 11-1 record in Texas to a "Far-Eastern psychic" who sits behind the plate at Ameriquest Field and signals him what the hitters are thinking.

Given Zito's 9.53 ERA and 0-3 record against Texas in Oakland this year, it might be time to start sending the psychic some transportation money. Here, it's the Rangers who look like they know what's coming.

"I asked him if he'd come out for this one," said Zito, who fell to 15-9 on the year. "But he just saw 'Snakes on a Plane,' so he's all scared to fly now."

You asked him if he'd come out?  Sure, Barry.

I thought AN would be interested in this little, ah, tidbit from today's JoeChat:

Fred in Jamestown, Maryland: Billy Beane said in Moneyball that playoff baseball is no different from regular season baseball. As we come down the strech, from a player's perspective how is September and October baseball different from the dog days of summer?

Joe Morgan: (11:20 AM ET ) That is why they have never won a playoff series if he feels that way. The intensity level is turned up in the short stretch. In the regular season you can relax just a bit. But in the playoffs the intensity level is turned up both offensively and defensively. Anyone who says a playoff game is just like a regular season game hasn't won anything. You would never hear Joe Torre or someone like that say that.

I'm not sure that Fred has the Beane quote exactly right.  Regardless, Joe isn't going to pull any punches where the team/philosophy/man he proudly knows nothing about is concerned.  Actually, I've talked to Joe Torre about what's been critical to his post-season success, and he had the following to say:

"I have arthritis in my fingers, and picking my nose helps stretch the finger joints and keep them flexible. Oftentimes I switch fingers -- even hands -- mid-pick." (Regarding his habit of picking his nose during games, February 29, 2001.)

So, clearly, the real reason we have not had playoff success is that we've yet to make Barry Zito player-manager.  

I can't resist two more JoeQuotes, because they're just so darn vintage:

zoomer, detroit: joe, why were you so mad about the radar gun in detroit the other night?

Joe Morgan: (11:39 AM ET ) It wasn't accurate. No one throws a 102 MPH sinker. When a ball is straight that is when you get the most accurate reading. When Nenn was pitching in the WS, it has him going 102-103 and the right handed batter was pulling it foul. You don't do that with a 103 MPH pitch. Zumaya throws hard and might throw 100 MPH but he doesn't throw a 102 MPH sinker. I didn't believe the gun. I've seen enough pitches to know what a 102 MPH pitch looks like.

There go those infernal computers again!

Jenny (WVa): Then what is Jeter's weakness? Also, Why would Willie Randolph win Manager of the Year when he is more or less a caretaker of an already stacked team?

Joe Morgan: (11:50 AM ET ) How is the team stacked when they were without Cliff Floyd and all those injuries! I can't argue with people who don't understand the game. Just because you have talent doesn't mean you will win. The manager has to put that talent to good use. Has Joe Torre been a caretaker his whole career? Of course not.

Anyone care to take a guess at why Joe thinks this person doesn't understand the game?  BTW, the Jeter comment was in response to Joe telling someone that Jeter isn't a perfect players, because perfect players have no weaknesses, and that's impossible.

On to A's news.  In Susan Slusser's A's notebook, Ken Macha discusses Jason Kendall's second-half resurgence:

Since the All-Star break, Kendall is batting .342, the ninth-best mark in the league. He began batting leadoff after the break, and he has scored 36 runs in 47 games.

"He's hitting line drive after line drive,'' manager Ken Macha said. "(Hitting coach) Gerald Perry said he gets better as the year goes on.''

Last year, his first in Oakland after nine years in Pittsburgh, Kendall hit .271, 35 points lower than his career average. Macha thinks the difference is that Kendall has leveled his swing, which is producing more line drives and fewer pop-ups.

Also in this notebook are some injury/roster updates.  Kotsay's back is still bothering him, and he won't play tonight, giving Dan "Band Camp" Johnson his third straight start.  The A's plan to call up either D'Angelo Jimenez or Mike Rouse today to make sure that Antonio Perez is no longer our backup shortstop.

The A's will play Texas again tonight, a 7:05 start for Frank Thomas bobblehead night at the Coliseum.  Kirk Saarloos (7-6, 4.47 ERA) goes against Adam Eaton (4-4, 4.71 ERA).  While there were a lot of people who contributed to the A's great August, Saarloos may have been one of the more underappreciated:

Kirk Saarloos went 4-0 (three starts) in August with a 2.01 ERA, and he will make his 14th start of the season on Tuesday against the Rangers. The 27-year-old is known for having great movement, and he has been fooling hitters with his diving fastball.

Let's hope he keeps it up!

Poll
Should you boo your own player?
Only if he's Joe Morgan
52 votes
It's not in the cards, babies!
3 votes
I bought a ticket--that's my right as a fan
18 votes
Don't Boston Oakland
50 votes
No--that's why it's OK to boo Santa Claus
3 votes
FIRE MACHA NOW!
8 votes

134 votes | Poll has closed

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In Joe's defense,
stadium radar guns are pretty unreliable.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

True.
Not sure why someone would want to get upset about it, though.  Home run distance trackers are a lot less accurate, but Joe doesn't seem to quite as obsessed with that.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe's an idiot.
I was watching that game, and he's arguing every pitch over 100mph.

"I've seen plenty of pitches and I know what a 102mph pitch looks like."

No, Joe, you don't. There's a reason cops use radar guns to measure speeding drivers and not their belief that "I've seen plenty of guys doing 102mph before, and that guy's only doing 100mph."

The difference between the time taken for a 102mph ball to get to the plate and a 100mph ball to get there is infinitely small. You're talking 0.03 of a second, if that. So the idea that Joe has some sort of bat-like sense that can differentiate the two is ridiculous.

In addition, a sinker absolutely can go the same speed as a fastball, it's just going that speed in a different direction. Joe makes the mistake (shock) of thinking that radar guns measure how long it takes a ball to get to the plate, rather than the actual in-the-air speed of the ball as it moves. To say a sinker can't go that fast is to also assume a ball inside can't go that fast - it's stupidity of the highest order.

There's my Morgan rant. He's an utter tard.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 5, 2006 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

What irritated me most
about today's Joe chat is that he dismissed Jenny's perfectly good question.  

All she did was ask him to clarify something he just said, and ask a very valid question about why Willie Randolph should be a shoo-in Manager of the year for a team that has Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Beltran, Tom Glavine, Billy Wagner, and Pedro Martinez.

To me, it's 100% obvious that he only did it because she's a woman.

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disturbingly,
I think the mid-80s KICU readings for Zito yesterday were pretty reliable...

by mikeA on Sep 5, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Draft update:
Jermaine Mitchell, of, Short-season Vancouver (Athletics)

A fifth-round pick in June, Mitchell got off to a great start but missed over a month after getting hit by a pitch in the foot. He returned for the final week of the season and picked up where he left off, going 8-for-14 with three home runs over the weekend to bring his season averages up to .362/.460/.507. A plus athlete and a solid center fielder, Mitchell has hitting skills and an advanced approach, and could be officially considered Oakland's sleeper at this point.

Kevin Goldstein at BPro (sub req'd).

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Watched him play last night.
And he's High-A class right now. Smacked some hard balls long that would have been homers in other stadiums, and is so threatening that he got intentionally walked, even though he's the lead-off man and a base stealer.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 5, 2006 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should you boo your own player?
Since Rincon is gone, I'd say "No"  =)
"I don't make speeches. I just let my bat speak for me in the summertime." Honus Wagner

by 510inDenver on Sep 5, 2006 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

you dumb-ass fans <snerk>
Since I was called on, I'll throw my own two cents in here.  I think taking a moral stand against boo-ing one's own players (but not the visitors) is based on a homer-ist outlook on the game.  Of course, that's the nature of spectator sports--the fans are supposed to be homers.  But human nature also allows some flexibility in our likes and dislikes, so that we like some guys who might not be on our team and dislike some of our own.  These likes and dislikes may be fleeting or they may be more permanent, but in any case I don't think they're invalid just because they cross this line between our guys and theirs.  

I voted for "I bought a ticket--that's my right as a fan."  I don't really like the way that sounds though, since that rationale could be errantly used to justify all sorts of obnoxious fan behavior.  I would just say that boo-ing is pretty harmless way for fans to let off some steam, especially when it's directed at the millionairre athletes whose pockets we're stuffing with the money we use to pay for our admission.  

Finally, as far as the notion goes that we're classier than the East Coast boo-birds, I take two exceptions.  First of all, I think these stereotypes are too-easily made-up based on little evidence:  on both coasts the majority of fans are probably causing no problems, with the drunken-and-obnoxious minority giving the rest a bad name.  Second, even if I did believe that we A's fans were a bunch of virtuous Ned Flanders-types, that isn't something I'd be completely proud of.  Because while being scrupulously non-negative has the advantage of avoiding classlessness and meanness, it has the disadvantage of being kind of lacking in the keep-it-real department.  If part of being a good friend is telling your buddy the truth, even when it's not good, then why can't that be part of being a good fan?  

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Sep 6, 2006 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harden/Huston update
Is he or isn't he? Huston Street wasn't activated at the minimum as expected this weekend, but there are varying reports on how he's actually progressing. Some reports have him still sore and tentative while others have him ready as soon as Friday. Street threw from the mound Monday and is scheduled to toss a sim game on Wednesday (remember: rehab games are pretty much over now). Street looks likely to be activated by the weekend despite the confusion. The A's likely know exactly what to expect. The team is also thinking that Rich Harden may be back sooner than expected. Harden moved up to the mound without a problem and, assuming he can do that a few more times, he's likely to find himself in the bullpen. One new twist is that instead of acting as a setup man, the A's are considering Harden for the playoff rotation. If so, he'd need to be worked up to a starter's workload.

Will Carroll at BPro (sub req'd).

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Whatever
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously.
How's Rich Harden's Tommy John, Will?
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on Sep 5, 2006 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word, 'Oz
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sunday, VinCo said...
...that Harden was able to "throw up on top of the mound."  Did he go to Applebee's?
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

<snerk>
I thought the same thing when I heard that.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

good one
one for the quote of the month

by smasfan on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

More on injuries
I was listening to the XM RotoWire show on my way to work this morning, and Will Carroll came on to answer some questions.  He reports Street will probably be held back around a week (due to the A's comfortable lead in the division).  He also said Harden could back as soon as next week:
...The team is also thinking that Rich Harden may be back sooner than expected. Harden moved up to the mound without a problem and, assuming he can do that a few more times, he's likely to find himself in the bullpen. One new twist is that instead of acting as a setup man, the A's are considering Harden for the playoff rotation. If so, he'd need to be worked up to a starter's workload...
 link
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

That's AWESOME news!
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Viva Rich!

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan says:
"100MPH?  Nah, I've seen enough fastballs to know he only throws 94-95, tops."
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least Rich still speaks fluent Canadian.
Joe's never spoken it, so he wouldn't know.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol
... got me ont hat one!
QOTM contender, no doubt

by popcornjames on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea...
I really need to remain calm.  The idea of King Richard actually throwing a pitch in the post season (besides the one to Trot) is really, really, really exciting.  Lord knows we're gonna need some arms to beat the Tigers in a short series.  

I dont like the Gambler.  

by CyZito on Sep 5, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fortunately, the Gambler doesn't like
the postseason:

0-3, 8.85 ERA, 2.37 WHIP in 20 1/3 IP.

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that
Zito's line against the Rangers at home this year?
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

NEXT WEEK?!?!?
Dear Lord.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bing Crosby sez
"I'm dreaming of a Canadian...September/Just like the ones Rich Harden throws."
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want to scare anyone....
but I have a photo of Rich Harden in a frame sitting in a bookcase (stop looking at me like that). The frame kept falling over this weekend. I'm just saying...
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it near your alarm clock?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Band Camp"
<sigh>

And go figure...I probably won't see Huston pitch this weekend in St. Pete. No Haren, Harden, Huston, Crosby...<sobs>

"I almost landed in some lady's lap, which was kinda fun.'' -- Swish

by Sharon on Sep 5, 2006 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

What's the point of going?
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right.
Not enough sparkle.
"I almost landed in some lady's lap, which was kinda fun.'' -- Swish

by Sharon on Sep 5, 2006 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha.
You have to watch the bizarro-A's.  With any kind of (bad) luck, you'll get to watch Scutaro, Perez, Ginter, Witasick, and Loaiza.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

SHUT UP! SHUT UP!
Gaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bright side...
Sharon might get to see Jeremy Brown's first (and presumably only) game action in an A's uniform.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Macha's going to let him play.
Please. I believe Ken would let Scutaro or Kotsay catch before Brown.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

when Kotsay wears the gear ...
... do they change from "the tools of ignorance" to "the tools of HAWTNESS"?
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huston's still possible
at least according to Glenn Reeves at the Trib:
Trainer Larry Davis stood alongside Young during the bullpen session, closely watching Street.

"From a medical perspective, he's great," Davis said. "It's turning into a confidence issue more than anything else."

The plan is to have Street pitch a simulated game Wednesday. If all goes well, he could be back with the team and available Friday in Tampa.

Any chance we can fly Stuart Smalley out to Oakland for Wednesday's bullpen session?  Huston, you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people LIKE you!

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

"confidence issues"
am i the only one who see huston's face somewhat scared or tensed when he's on the mound? some closers by their mound presence alone, can spell "game over." maybe intimidating like gagne or cool and collected like rivera.

by arch on Sep 5, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

In this case
I think it's more confidence that he's healthy, because of the bad hamstring injury he suffered in college, which he exacerbated by coming back too early.  I don't doubt his confidence when he's on the mound.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

but he's not been a lights-out closer this yr
i think he might even have the most blown saves in the AL. maybe.

by arch on Sep 5, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

street's got 3rd most BS (8) in AL
only burgos-kc (12) and francisco cordero (9) are worse.

by arch on Sep 5, 2006 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Ozzie Guillen led the AL in BS
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

BS is a bad metric
At very least you have to normalize by the number of save opportunities, but better yet would be to account for the difficulty of the save (eg. using Tangotiger's leverage index), as well as the run support that can turn a blown save into a win.
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK then
so after you do all that, what's the ranking for leverage-indexed blown save ratio in the AL?
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Sep 5, 2006 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT
How did I not know that this was being released today?!?
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 5, 2006 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

<yawn>
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

But... but...
You like to play with dolls, don't you?
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 5, 2006 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Put the Shannon doll down.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

A pasttime that I enjoy more than baseball...
...is that of conventional wisdom bucking.

Below you will find a link to an OT editorial that attacks some CW in higher education.  Don't worry, you will not find it to engage in outright left v. right politics.

The dirty secret about professors
By Alan Rosenthal
September 5, 2006

Should be an enjoyable read for those professors that teach at non-prestigious colleges, students contemplating the college that they'll attend, and students that have already completed degrees at non-prestigious colleges.

4 8 15 16 23 42

by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Edumacation
I'm a graduate of both the CSU and UC systems and I've always believed that the more a person puts into their education the more they get out of it, and to Hell with the name of the school. I agree with the article when it says teacher accessability is crucial to student development, being able to actually talk to my professors led me to take more risks with my projects because I knew I could get constant feedback and direction. This encouraged me to think and not just memorize and regurgitate facts.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both CSU and UC?
Were you a transfer or do you hold multiple degrees or, is it some combination of both?
4 8 15 16 23 42

by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Multiple degrees
2 BA's from CSU, 1 Master's from UC.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yet, Esteban Yan
is making more money than you.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

In spite of my education
I stupidly chose to go to work for the Federal Government. Since my position is not an elected one, I am unable to illict bribes from contributors.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

not even that!
You don't need a budget -- all you need is spending authorization (cf, Iraq reconstruction).
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not high enough on the food chain
Even then, all I'd have is a lousy 10K monthly limit. Big enough to have some fun, not enough to avoid trouble down the road. You have to able able to rip off MILLIONS to avoid any kind of legal action. Misappropriate a couple thousand and they'll nail your ass to the wall.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

true, dat
Although even a lowly factotum can make hay with a "cost-plus" contract.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, a budget
I was serious when I said I work for the feds. I'm actually on the business end of the operation, i.e. I actually go out and do stuff. That means our program has an ever shrinking budget to handle our increasing responsibilities. It the administrators and muckity mucks at the Regional and National level, the folks who do very little actual work, that have the bottomless budgets.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know what you're thinking
Boo hoo.

Cry me a fucking river!

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,
at least you KNOW you're beating your head against the wall.
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Numbness helps
And to go numb without having to use pricey booze just means my son can eventually go to college.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya, just make sure its Stanford
I hear it's nice there this time of year. Plus, a pretty damn good golfer went there!

Is Stanford a Lib Arts? :-)

Geesh, two smiley faces in one thread for me...i must be having "a happy day".  
 

"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go read EiO
That should change your "happy day" to something more morose!
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i do, daily
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 6, 2006 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, maybe not daily
but enough to see that some of the posters over there are missing a few beers short of a 6 pack.
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 6, 2006 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think
a handy (mostly accurate) shortcut is:

Research universities = bad undergrad education

Non-research universities = good undergrad education.

Here is my solution:  in light of this apparently glaring market failure at elite private schools, the whole of higher education should be subjected to stringent government regulation, presided over by teams of bureaucrats. (;

by mikeA on Sep 5, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually completely
inaccurate in engineering and probably science as well.  Most of my engineering colleagues come from large, public research universities.  Research universities can be large and impersonal - I went to one myself as an undergrad - but in any cutting edge field, it's critical to learn from those at the forefront of research.  Even more importantly, it's critical to be able to engage in that research as part of your undergaduate education.  Students who don't take advantage of that aspect of research universities are doing themselves a disservice and are at a disadvantage in the workforce and in post-graduate education.

The same is generally true for scientists, my wife would agree (she is a physicist).  However we have met some scientists for whom the non-research undergraduate education was a boon for their understanding of rigorous fundamentals.  This is naturally more important in a more academic discipline such as math or physics than in a more practical discipline such as biology or engineering.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point
I have little knowledge of science education (or science) and I didn't mean to include it in my generalization.  A nice thing about math/science is that the subject matter does not allow for the BSing engaged in by Professors/TAs/students in the liberal arts.

by mikeA on Sep 5, 2006 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with your
point about the liberal arts, but I'm biased as all hell.  I suffered through an ethnic studies class where my final paper was to describe my experience being oppressed as a minority.  And I'll never forget the time I called the professor on a "fact" he told us in class.  Good God, I've never seen so much bullshit post-rationalization in my life (except maybe on a sports blog).
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's why
Billy hired Macha.  However, I am and will continue to be quite well served by my philosophy degree.

by mikeA on Sep 5, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Teams of bureaucrats and market failures?
No way!

But hey [not sure what a Butt Hay is], if undergrads are still getting well compensating jobs by getting degrees from the elite schools, whatchagonnado?  

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do, however, agree
that the best remedy for what ails higher education is a biannual blue-ribbon panel review reporting to a committee of elected officials, who in turn enact legislation that will use government regulation and oversight to solve the problem.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why?
Don't the many privately published college rating almanacs already serve the purpose?  Why pay officials to do it?  It will most certainly lead to political/philosophical biases, lobbying, and a whole host of other corrupt and perverted outcomes/consequences.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh crap...didn't catch it and hate looking stupid
I really wan't a delete/edit post feature.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I at least properly interpreted yours
That doesn't make me completely dense, it just make me a half-wit.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

did u attend a lib arts school?
:-)
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I did.
I receieved an Associates in Liberal arts from Diablo Valley College in June 2006 and a Bachelor's in Business Administration, with Economics minor, from the College of Charleston in December of 2005.  CofC has a very good baseball program...in fact there are some former Cougars down on Oakland's farm.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

as someone who spent 12 yrs on school
(no, that wasn't grades 4-9!) i appreciate and respect anyone who tries to better themselves through higher education.
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No excuse.
That one had a smiley face!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

No [B]achelor of [S]cience...
...as I was sitting here reading posts and exchanging thoughts, my e-mail pops up with some propoganda from the Wall Street Journal in which they want me to check out (and purchase, no doubt) a book writen by one of their guys.

The Price of Admission: How America's Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges -- and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed with all your sentiments, LcJ, but ...
... at this point, I'd hazard a guess that the CW regarding undergrad edumacation has almost entirely swung around to your/our POV already. Outside of the professional classes and families with no college grads in the most recent 2 generations, that is.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point!
And to change the subject some, the cool thing about discussing the book Moneyball is that you can call it a book about bucking CW and you'd never be wrong because "looking for the undervalued" puts one's POV in a position to have never been entirely swung around.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

ditto that
Excellent point, yourself!
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

even more CW bucking
The author makes his argument in the somewhat traditional framework of prestigious vs. non-prestigious college, as if the college itself is actively the determinant of future success. Surprise surprise, it's all about the student.  If you're smart, motivated, hard-working, etc., then you'll generally be equally successful regardless of where you go to school, which is a different message from saying that a non-prestigious school will 'give' you a better education.

by sec119 on Sep 5, 2006 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is Yuliya Pechonkina ...
... and why does she have Frank Thomas's thighs?

(And, yes, the vodka compresses obviously bleached them of pigmentation.)

A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

She's a MAN, baby!
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Sep 5, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan
Joe Morgan's chat today is classic.  Apparently he's stunned that a manager of a .500 team (Girardi) would be considered a legit Manager of the Year candidate.

Rick (NYC): Is it possible for Joe Girardi to win Manager of the Year and get fired? Is Loria out of his mind?

SportsNation Joe Morgan: I don't think he will win Manager of the Year. What about Willie Randolph? He has been without Pedro and Glavine and dealt with so many injuries yet they have the best record in the league. How could Girardi be Manager of the Year with a .500 record? I don't understand that.

subscription required: http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=12785

by 415goas on Sep 5, 2006 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

maybe because the marlins are pretty much
a minor league team with a 15 million dollar payroll. willie randolph has pretty much a team of allstars. morgan is an idiot.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

and girardi still has them in the playoff race.
i forgot to add that in.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The words that caused Zidane's World Cup head-butt
Finally revealed:
"I prefer your sister".

http://www.startribune.com/10070/story/656492.html

"The theme of the day is murky." -- Ken Macha, August 11, 2006

by Englishmajor on Sep 5, 2006 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

MLB.com fluff on div leaders

(Picture is link to story)
Since baseball expanded the playoffs in 1995, 73 of 92 leaders (67 first-place clubs and 25 other teams either in sole possession or tied for first in the Wild Card standings) went on to reach the playoffs.

That's a 79.3-percent success rate for the teams on top when the fireworks subsided on Labor Day. Conversely, only 20.7 percent of the leaders, or 18 teams, missed the playoffs after leading on Labor Day

"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm shocked!
I expected the RedSox to be there instead of the Twins. Yes, I know the Twins lead the WC, but I thought they'd find a way to squeeze the RedSox in there.

by Zonis on Sep 5, 2006 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Urban mea culpa
"But I've been wrong plenty of times before (see: Bradley, Milton; implosion), so I'll play along."

From his mailbag.

"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 5, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Needs a mea maxima too
"I don't want to 'Wear It.' It doesn't match my shoes." --Jennifer

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 5, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that a brand of condom?
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

More from the mailbag...
Any chance the A's could sign Mark Mulder when he becomes a free agent in the offseason? Would they even be interested considering his performance since he's been gone?
-- Matt V., Santa Monica, Calif.

It's an intriguing possibility, to be sure, and I'm sure Mulder would be open to a return. He loved it here. But he might be headed for offseason shoulder surgery, so he'd probably have to be willing to accept a very modest, incentive-laden, one-year deal like the one Frank Thomas signed last winter for the A's to even consider the idea.

Okay, if Mulder comes back here next year, who wants to go in with me on a "Name In Lights" greeting that says "Dear Mulder, all twenty of Oakland's fans say Welcome Back!"?

"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me! Me! Me!
And 18 other A's fans!
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would have to be
A's fans on the road.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rotoworld never fails to amuse.
Jason Giambi went hitless on Monday and is in an 0-for-16 slump. He hasn't homered since Aug. 20.

Blame his sore left wrist. His production has typically run in cycles anyway, and it's probably only a matter of time before he resumes injecting the Yankee offense and juicing a few out of the yard.

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Cycles, Injecting, and Juicing.
Those are sexual innuendos.  You should really get your mind back into the gutter.
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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the sore wrist.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another QOTM nominee. She's on FI-YAH!
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Sep 5, 2006 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's awesome.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two Thumbs Up
BROWN: My head's always been this big.
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 5, 2006 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, right
I bet Kevin Mench says the same thing.
We hold these truths to be self-evident / We drink beer in bars and act irreverent - Lambchop

by andeux on Sep 5, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great find salb
That is very funny stuff
Elimination Numbers: Angels-19, Rangers-16, Mariners-11

by AsFanInLA on Sep 5, 2006 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes you wonder who the REAL cockroach is
"I don't want to 'Wear It.' It doesn't match my shoes." --Jennifer

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 5, 2006 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nuclear Waste Management?
Tax Preparer?

your customers will be frightened by your monstrous clicking mandibles.

frantically paw at a ream of carbon triplicate paper

Those are classic!

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by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

DL RUMSFELD NOW!!!
Despite Sec'y Rumsfeld's recent rotator cuff surgery, he doesn't appear to have struggled with his pitching recently.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally !
England in charge of the US military again :-)
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tooting my own horn,,,
From Notes on the A's website.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060904&content_id=1645242& ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

Among the adjustments Johnson has made is raising his hands; he'd fallen into the habit of resting the bat on his right shoulder while awaiting the pitch.

(Yeah it might be a day late.)

My comment from June 1st 2006
http://athleticsnation.com/comments/2006/6/1/174138/9311/77#77

what about the bat on shouder?

Maybe I am remembering too mch from little league, but we were told not to rest the bat on the shoulder. I see a few good big league hitters do it, but the difference I think between them and Johonson is that the they usually lift the bat during the wind up. DJ seems to leave it there until he swings.  It is at most fractions of a second, but the difference between a hit and not is a fraction of a second.

by Donner on Sep 5, 2006 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

DONNER FOR HITTING COACH!
(if you can get me into Diamond Level...)

by Apricot on Sep 5, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you succeed in this campaign ...
... to celebrate, will we throw a Donner party?
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ate that one right up
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 6, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it happens...
keep an eye out for me. I'll be happy to lend a hand.
Burgundy Cherry

by Ice Cream on Sep 6, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, my friend. Comedy, like cannibalism...
can sometimes be hard to stomach.
Burgundy Cherry

by Ice Cream on Sep 6, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You had 'em eating your hands
...OUT OF your hands, excuse me
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 6, 2006 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just flew in from Cleveland
and boy are my arms consumed!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 6, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

<crickets chirping>
Is any BODY out there?
Burgundy Cherry

by Ice Cream on Sep 6, 2006 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tough crowd
They should have tenderized first
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 6, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon.
We were killin' 'em out there!
Burgundy Cherry

by Ice Cream on Sep 6, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

No bones about it.
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 6, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously
the brains were the first to go.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 6, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Antonio Perez
Antonio Perez paging Donner. Come in Donner.

by Larry E on Sep 5, 2006 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretending...
I have any idea what I am talking about.  Given what very little I have seen of Perez he watches a lot of strikes and swings at a lot of balls. Which is probably more a symptom of not playing than an inherent problem.

Not sure any arm chair coach has seen enough swings from him at decent pitches to have any idea if there is a swing problem.

by Donner on Sep 5, 2006 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm giving away 2 tickets to tonight's game!!!!
Section 118, row 33.  Great seats behind the dish.  But alas, I am too tired today to drive by myself from Sac to Oakland and back.

There is a teeny catch.  I have to go home and transfer my tickets to you using the A's ticket transfer program.  You will then have to print them up.  I've never tried this procedure before, so there is a slim chance it will not work.  If you are okay with a bit of uncertainty and don't mind waiting until 5:30 or so to get the tix (or not), then be the first to respond below and they are yours.

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

What if we live in Sac?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm....
That's a bit more difficult. See, I am at work downtown (I live in Rancho) and do not have the tickets with me.  I need them, though, to get the !@#$ing bar code numbers to complete the transfer.  If I go home at 5:30, it will be too late for you to print the tickets at home, then arrive at the game on time.  If you want to do that anyway, I could still transfer them to you.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH MY GOD
Generosity is so complicated these days!  Damn computers!
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ain't that the truth?
I just hate to see the tix go unused.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure you need the bar code #'s?
Don't you just need your season ticketholder account number?  Or am I thinking of something else?
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta have them bar codes
There was a prompt for it on the transfer site.  I called ticket services to see if they could look up the codes, but nope, they do not have records of the codes.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

BAR CODES NOW!!!
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do programmers hang out in code bars?
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

BAR CODES? This is something Swisher uses..
He tells the bartender "just soda for me" so in case some A's media type overhears, he won't get in trouble... but the bartender knows that it is Swisher's BAR CODE for "get me a beer and keep them coming".
Elimination Numbers: Angels-19, Rangers-16, Mariners-11

by AsFanInLA on Sep 5, 2006 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, a "Bar code" ...
... is what the Bush family uses to let each other know when gramma is loaded.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bar code?
Does that involve a Chicken with Lips?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 5, 2006 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bar Code=
"What happens in the bar, stays in the bar."
"The Matt Watson/Chiba Lotte Marines Fan Club"-Through Aug 27th: GMS-53,AVG-.285,OBP-.367, SLG-.418, 9 doubles, 4 homers, 17 RBI

by bigelephant on Sep 5, 2006 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go to Kinko's and use their internet
workstations. It'll cost maybe 4 or 5 bucks to use the internet and their printer.

You could always just drive to a location in Oakland or Berkely or something to make the thing happen.

by hunter on Sep 5, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then we're screwed. :(
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else?
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to go, but I can't.
Waaay too tired to drive 100 miles.  Damn first business day of the week!  
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll do it
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ta-dah!
When I get home from work I'll transfer them to your e-mail account listed on your AN profile.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ta-dah indeed!
Thanks kaweahkaweah', I'll look for the tickets this evening...
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take the tickets that it is
What should I do?
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go down the alley at 5:38 precisely.
Knock six times on the 3rd door on the left, like this:  knock-knock <pause> knock <pause> knock, knock, knock.  Be sure to include the hyphen and commas.  Ask for Stinky.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

ROFL.
:D
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reads like a personal ad
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take them
NorCalDevilASU@yahoo.com
We can be considered David, David knocks out Goliath. -Eric Chavez PT-42

by norcaldevilasu on Sep 5, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry
eamb responded a couple of minutes before you.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their season ticket holder website SUCKS
I've been trying for 1/2 hour to get through.  I got through earlier then it logged me out while I waited for it to process some barcode information I entered.  Now i can't even log in.

Grrr...

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does it feel like Monday?
Oh right...
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Woohoo!
Go E.Lo!!!  
"I think every memeber of AN should send every memeber of LL 20 bucks." ~ Goose on LL

by AsGirl on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Esteban Loaiza...he brings all his
gear on the road with him.  You cannot f--- with Esteban Loaiza; you cannot f--- with this band!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's got the mother and the kids...
I just hope that when they levae on a road trip that he's not:

Standing on the corner, waiting for a bus...

Come on Mr. Bus Driver, Drive that thing fast (my Ferrari goes 140)

by SD Erik on Sep 5, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And meh.
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

A's Claim Jerome Williams
Athletics claimed RHP Jerome Williams off waivers from the Cubs.

Williams has been a major disappointment while posting a 4.76 ERA in 111 2/3 innings for Triple-A Iowa and his stuff isn't where it was a couple of years ago. Still, he's just 24 and he's certainly worthy of the 40-man roster spot. This is more of a pickup for 2007 than anything else, and the A's might not add him to the roster for the rest of this year.

by Zonis on Sep 5, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Problem I see is
Don't we have a few players we need to add to the 40 man to avoid Rule5?

by Zonis on Sep 5, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice
If this is true, nice move. I always liked Williams when he was with the Giants, partly based on the very small sample size of attending both games where he beat the A's in 2003, the second one being a complete game shutout.

Looking back at his numbers, his strikeout rate was always mediocre even though he seemed to have good stuff, so he's nothing to get too excited about, but picking up an extra major league arm is never a bad move.

We hold these truths to be self-evident / We drink beer in bars and act irreverent - Lambchop

by andeux on Sep 5, 2006 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And...
I'm sure I still have a puka shell necklace in a drawer somewhere...
"I miss taking showers with Kendall" ~ Brian Giles

by Poppy on Sep 5, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello? 1980 called, they want their necklace back.
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Sep 5, 2006 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.
When you collect Tadanos, Williamsess, and Dominguezes, you sometimes get Gaudins, Saarlooses, and if you're really lucky, Duchscherers.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't find this anywhere
Where did you see it?
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah - where's the link?
"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Sep 5, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Bowden, boy genius,
strikes again!  Acquires Kim Sun-Woo from the Rockies, although my guess is that the pitcher's name is actually Sun-Woo Kim.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Ummm Kim Sun-Woo
Is correct.  Its only Sun-Woo Kim if you are an ignorant Mi-Guk. ;)
"I don't make speeches. I just let my bat speak for me in the summertime." Honus Wagner

by 510inDenver on Sep 5, 2006 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh-oh.
My culturally ignorant self stands corrected.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Sep 5, 2006 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a Difference a Year Makes!!!
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/9/2/133344/5475
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 5, 2006 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Reading some of Reztips old posts
reminded me just how arrogant and obnoxious he could be.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 5, 2006 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yet he knew what he was talking about
unlike 90% (or whatever percentage everyone minus nick86 and regfairfield would be) of the people posting in that diary.
god, what a bunch of nonsense...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 5, 2006 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow
Bocachica, Watson, Ginter.....Talking about Scutaro batting 2nd?????

What a difference a year makes indeed.;

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch." - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Sep 5, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2006 Version is WAY Better for the:
Stretch Run!!!
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 5, 2006 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

]my old blog entry from 9/11/04
what a great come-from-behind win to snap our five-game losing streak! we were down by four runs in the 7th inning until we loaded the bases and chavvy hit a ground ball to first but got an RBI. then hatteberg hit a bases-loaded two-out double to score two more runs to make the score 4-3!

THEN ... in the bottom of the 8th inning, it was still 4-3 when crosby hit a solo homerun to tie the game!

THEN ... our newest rookie, nick swisher, came up to bat after crosby and hit another solo homerun to give us the lead!!

we ended up winning 5-4!! GO HATTY! GO ROOKS! :)

can't wait to go to the game tomorrow!!

aww ... hatty! baby swisher! homerun-hitting crosby! :)

by gotgreen on Sep 5, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

<insert KrEEpY music>
I watched that game last night.
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoa!
that is such a coincidence ... and quite creepy!

by gotgreen on Sep 5, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Freaky
Were they wearing the green tops?
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whites
Is this for your uniform chart thing?
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nahh
Just curious.
"When the A's suck, the terrorists win" ~ Poppy

by eamb on Sep 5, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, some things never change
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/9/5/17552/20417/157#157
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Booby K on ESPNews!
Right now! Run!
"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

It was great...
Hearin him talk about the MB/Swish handshake and backin' up JayPay. We got a decent amount of ESPN coverage tks to JayPay's whining, which was slightly deserved, but he was awful that day. Boston would've ripped him a new one... he should be greatful.
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Sep 5, 2006 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

what did he say about the milton/swish
handshake?
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please forgive this giant comment:
The entire interview:

David Lloyd: The Rangers and the West-leading A's, tonight in Oakland. We bring in A's OFer Bobby Kielty. Bobby, give us a feel for what you guys were thinking at the AS break, just a couple of games over .500, sort of trying to find your way a little bit.

Bobby Kielty: You know, the biggest thing, we weren't hitting the ball like we can as a team. Since the AS break we've really turned it on as far as hitting with RISP and over-all average. Our pitchers have been doing it all year, since the offense is picking up, the win column has been picking up, too.

DL: The thing is you seem to do this every year. I mean, at the AS Break you seem to get ignited. When it's June and you guys aren't going so well, do you guys think, hey, we'll kick it in gear when July rolls around?

BK: That's kind of the feeling. I don't know why. There's no explanation for it. For some reason, the Oakland A's, the last three years, we've been really good after the AS break. It just seems like that's the going trend. No explanation. I can't really put a finger on it at all. It's just the way things are going.

DL: No one has any theories in the clubhouse?

BK: Uh, no theories. Maybe the weather's heating up and our offense picks up when it heats up. But, I mean, that's all we can put a finger on. It's crazy, man. We just keep -- year after year keep playing good in the second half.

DL: It seems like you guys have fun. Zito, Swisher, yourself, a few others. What is the vibe like in the clubhouse?

BK: It's awesome. The best clubhouse I've been a part of. Just so much emotion and the energy. You know, some of the games we've had, uh, we've had a couple of games where we were acting like college players in the World Series when the CWS was going on. Uh, just screaming, yelling, and hollering, and hugs and hug-fives, and you know, all kinds of things. Uh, the heezey treezeys (Note: CC said heezey freezeys.) -

DL: [interrupting] What's a heezey treezey?

BK: [laughing] It's the Nick Swisher/Milton Bradley handshake. They jump on the heezey treezey for a little, uh, train ride, I guess.

DL: Can you do that?

BK: Uh, I don't got it down yet. I'm trying to learn it.

DL: [laughing] You're working on it, huh?

BK: Yeah, yeah.

DL: You guys are out front, as I mentioned. Yesterday was kind of a rough game for Jay Payton. Had a little trouble in left, the fans got on him a little bit. Now you were over in right field, what were you thinking watching all that?

BK: Well, actually I wasn't playing--

DL: Right.

BK: --I saw it all. I mean, Jay's been playing great all year. I think he was upset the fans were acting the way they were because he's been playing hard the whole year. He felt like he didn't deserve that at that point. All the plays that he had were though plays. It's not like they were routine plays by all means. All of them would've been great plays if he made the catch. You know, it just seemed like he got ragged on and he shouldn't have.

DL: Is that a sun field over in left?

BK: It's, I think, the worst sun in the American League. It can be really bad during the day, and we have so many day games here that the opportunity playing in that sun is a lot. (Note: WTF?)

DL: Hey Bobby, I wanted to get to this. Some people say you bear more than a passing resemblance to Ronald McDonald.

BK: [laughing]

DL: Can you see that?

BK: Man, if I knew cutting my hair was going to create the havoc that I've had... I've had so many fans ask why I cut my hair, why'd I cut my hair. When I'm in left field sometimes they'll start chanting, 'RON-NIE MAC! We want the `fro back!' It's pretty crazy. It's coming back, though. It's starting to get a little length, and I think it'll be ready for late September.

DL: Now how do you get the lift on that hair? Is it natural? Do you add any product in it to get it to go up like that?

BK: [laughing] It's, uh, a little bit product enhanced, I guess. But, for the most part, that what it looks like. It's pretty much a `fro when it gets long like that.

DL: Now I know you've got a sense of humor. You dressed up as Ronald McDonald last season. What was the reaction?

BK: Oh, man. Everyone loved it. The deal was, Kendall asked me if he bought me a Ronald McDonald suit, would I wear it around the clubhouse.

DL: Is that Jason Kendall?

BK: I said, yeah, I'll wear it. So one day I came in and the Ronald McDonald suit was in there. He had makeup and everything. He got the honors of putting the makeup on my face, him and Swisher got to put my makeup on.

DL: [laughing]

BK: Me and Bobby Crosby went down on the field and started throwing the ball around, messing around, goofing off. I think it was after kind of a bad loss to Anaheim, and we went out and ended up winning that game, so it was a good deal.

DL: Did you get any free Big Macs of anything from McDonald's? Anything?

BK: [laughing] No Big Macs. Still waiting.

DL: Maybe they'll watch this and send you a little coupon or something.

BK: That sounds good.

DL: Bobby, best of luck to you guys the rest of the way. The Oakland A's are on top of the AL West. Bobby Kielty joining us here on The Pregame.

BK: Thanks a lot.

"Mom, when he said his name, my spine froze."

by Jennifer on Sep 5, 2006 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

UNFORGIVABLE
Your comment is too interesting and long. Please replace it with some generic woof about how the A's have won the world series.

by Apricot on Sep 5, 2006 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you!
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane

by day-to-day on Sep 5, 2006 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is Booby K?
I didn't think any of our players had manboobs.
Chicks dig Moneyball.

by Kelly on Sep 5, 2006 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A's don't play until late!!
What the hell? On the first night I'm not drowning in homework, and I can't even come home and watch the A's??

Why don't they just keep the A's on call to my homework load?

...Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world catered to you?

...haha. Now I can't stop laughing.

<memo to cirquegirl: please stop eating all the cookies. you are getting out of control.>

Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ the falcon cannot hear the falconer. -W.B. Yeats

by Squeaky on Sep 5, 2006 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

HARBEN TRABEB!!!
link
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

So very nearly a dead monkey...
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's that penguin?
John Rheinecker's rookie hazing video on ESPN

espn.go.com

by lerei on Sep 5, 2006 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Jennifer's captor: DEFINITE nerd
He used a Commodore 64.

(Though the more poetically apt obsolete CPU would have been an Apple II, right?)

A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

They probably
played "Oregon Trail" together, to help pass the tedium of captivity.

by mikeA on Sep 5, 2006 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Sep 5, 2006 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That might explain the knitting
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 5, 2006 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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