DLD 9/5/06--BOOOOOOO, Miss Cleo!
Yesterday was not a good day for our intrepid elephants, as we were taken to the woodshed by the Texas Rangers. As has already been discussed at some length in Blez's post-game wrap, Jay Payton took exception to being booed by Oakland fans for the bad plays he made in the Coliseum's horrendous day-game sunfield.
My motto on this is "Don't Boston Oakland." One of the things I like so much better about West coast sports, having grown up on the East coast, is that it's a lot more positive out here.
But I digress--the real entity to boo for yesterday's loss is Miss Cleo, at least according to Barry Zito:
In Zito's previous start against the Rangers, Aug. 25 in Arlington, he carried a no-hitter into the eighth inning, and after the game he playfully gave credit for his 11-1 record in Texas to a "Far-Eastern psychic" who sits behind the plate at Ameriquest Field and signals him what the hitters are thinking.Given Zito's 9.53 ERA and 0-3 record against Texas in Oakland this year, it might be time to start sending the psychic some transportation money. Here, it's the Rangers who look like they know what's coming.
"I asked him if he'd come out for this one," said Zito, who fell to 15-9 on the year. "But he just saw 'Snakes on a Plane,' so he's all scared to fly now."
You asked him if he'd come out? Sure, Barry.
I thought AN would be interested in this little, ah, tidbit from today's JoeChat:
Fred in Jamestown, Maryland: Billy Beane said in Moneyball that playoff baseball is no different from regular season baseball. As we come down the strech, from a player's perspective how is September and October baseball different from the dog days of summer?Joe Morgan: (11:20 AM ET ) That is why they have never won a playoff series if he feels that way. The intensity level is turned up in the short stretch. In the regular season you can relax just a bit. But in the playoffs the intensity level is turned up both offensively and defensively. Anyone who says a playoff game is just like a regular season game hasn't won anything. You would never hear Joe Torre or someone like that say that.
I'm not sure that Fred has the Beane quote exactly right. Regardless, Joe isn't going to pull any punches where the team/philosophy/man he proudly knows nothing about is concerned. Actually, I've talked to Joe Torre about what's been critical to his post-season success, and he had the following to say:
"I have arthritis in my fingers, and picking my nose helps stretch the finger joints and keep them flexible. Oftentimes I switch fingers -- even hands -- mid-pick." (Regarding his habit of picking his nose during games, February 29, 2001.)So, clearly, the real reason we have not had playoff success is that we've yet to make Barry Zito player-manager.
I can't resist two more JoeQuotes, because they're just so darn vintage:
zoomer, detroit: joe, why were you so mad about the radar gun in detroit the other night?Joe Morgan: (11:39 AM ET ) It wasn't accurate. No one throws a 102 MPH sinker. When a ball is straight that is when you get the most accurate reading. When Nenn was pitching in the WS, it has him going 102-103 and the right handed batter was pulling it foul. You don't do that with a 103 MPH pitch. Zumaya throws hard and might throw 100 MPH but he doesn't throw a 102 MPH sinker. I didn't believe the gun. I've seen enough pitches to know what a 102 MPH pitch looks like.
There go those infernal computers again!
Jenny (WVa): Then what is Jeter's weakness? Also, Why would Willie Randolph win Manager of the Year when he is more or less a caretaker of an already stacked team?Joe Morgan: (11:50 AM ET ) How is the team stacked when they were without Cliff Floyd and all those injuries! I can't argue with people who don't understand the game. Just because you have talent doesn't mean you will win. The manager has to put that talent to good use. Has Joe Torre been a caretaker his whole career? Of course not.
Anyone care to take a guess at why Joe thinks this person doesn't understand the game? BTW, the Jeter comment was in response to Joe telling someone that Jeter isn't a perfect players, because perfect players have no weaknesses, and that's impossible.
On to A's news. In Susan Slusser's A's notebook, Ken Macha discusses Jason Kendall's second-half resurgence:
Since the All-Star break, Kendall is batting .342, the ninth-best mark in the league. He began batting leadoff after the break, and he has scored 36 runs in 47 games."He's hitting line drive after line drive,'' manager Ken Macha said. "(Hitting coach) Gerald Perry said he gets better as the year goes on.''
Last year, his first in Oakland after nine years in Pittsburgh, Kendall hit .271, 35 points lower than his career average. Macha thinks the difference is that Kendall has leveled his swing, which is producing more line drives and fewer pop-ups.
Also in this notebook are some injury/roster updates. Kotsay's back is still bothering him, and he won't play tonight, giving Dan "Band Camp" Johnson his third straight start. The A's plan to call up either D'Angelo Jimenez or Mike Rouse today to make sure that Antonio Perez is no longer our backup shortstop.
The A's will play Texas again tonight, a 7:05 start for Frank Thomas bobblehead night at the Coliseum. Kirk Saarloos (7-6, 4.47 ERA) goes against Adam Eaton (4-4, 4.71 ERA). While there were a lot of people who contributed to the A's great August, Saarloos may have been one of the more underappreciated:
Kirk Saarloos went 4-0 (three starts) in August with a 2.01 ERA, and he will make his 14th start of the season on Tuesday against the Rangers. The 27-year-old is known for having great movement, and he has been fooling hitters with his diving fastball.Let's hope he keeps it up!
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True.
Joe's an idiot.
"I've seen plenty of pitches and I know what a 102mph pitch looks like."
No, Joe, you don't. There's a reason cops use radar guns to measure speeding drivers and not their belief that "I've seen plenty of guys doing 102mph before, and that guy's only doing 100mph."
The difference between the time taken for a 102mph ball to get to the plate and a 100mph ball to get there is infinitely small. You're talking 0.03 of a second, if that. So the idea that Joe has some sort of bat-like sense that can differentiate the two is ridiculous.
In addition, a sinker absolutely can go the same speed as a fastball, it's just going that speed in a different direction. Joe makes the mistake (shock) of thinking that radar guns measure how long it takes a ball to get to the plate, rather than the actual in-the-air speed of the ball as it moves. To say a sinker can't go that fast is to also assume a ball inside can't go that fast - it's stupidity of the highest order.
There's my Morgan rant. He's an utter tard.
What irritated me most
All she did was ask him to clarify something he just said, and ask a very valid question about why Willie Randolph should be a shoo-in Manager of the year for a team that has Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Beltran, Tom Glavine, Billy Wagner, and Pedro Martinez.
To me, it's 100% obvious that he only did it because she's a woman.
Draft update:
A fifth-round pick in June, Mitchell got off to a great start but missed over a month after getting hit by a pitch in the foot. He returned for the final week of the season and picked up where he left off, going 8-for-14 with three home runs over the weekend to bring his season averages up to .362/.460/.507. A plus athlete and a solid center fielder, Mitchell has hitting skills and an advanced approach, and could be officially considered Oakland's sleeper at this point.
Kevin Goldstein at BPro (sub req'd).
Watched him play last night.
Should you boo your own player?
Not since Ruben Sierra left here.
by OaktownPower on Sep 5, 2006 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
you dumb-ass fans <snerk>
I voted for "I bought a ticket--that's my right as a fan." I don't really like the way that sounds though, since that rationale could be errantly used to justify all sorts of obnoxious fan behavior. I would just say that boo-ing is pretty harmless way for fans to let off some steam, especially when it's directed at the millionairre athletes whose pockets we're stuffing with the money we use to pay for our admission.
Finally, as far as the notion goes that we're classier than the East Coast boo-birds, I take two exceptions. First of all, I think these stereotypes are too-easily made-up based on little evidence: on both coasts the majority of fans are probably causing no problems, with the drunken-and-obnoxious minority giving the rest a bad name. Second, even if I did believe that we A's fans were a bunch of virtuous Ned Flanders-types, that isn't something I'd be completely proud of. Because while being scrupulously non-negative has the advantage of avoiding classlessness and meanness, it has the disadvantage of being kind of lacking in the keep-it-real department. If part of being a good friend is telling your buddy the truth, even when it's not good, then why can't that be part of being a good fan?
Harden/Huston update
Will Carroll at BPro (sub req'd).
Word, 'Oz
Sunday, VinCo said...
<snerk>
More on injuries
That's AWESOME news!
Joe Morgan says:
At least Rich still speaks fluent Canadian.
yea...
I dont like the Gambler.
Fortunately, the Gambler doesn't like
0-3, 8.85 ERA, 2.37 WHIP in 20 1/3 IP.
Isn't that
Bing Crosby sez
I don't want to scare anyone....
Is it near your alarm clock?
"Band Camp"
And go figure...I probably won't see Huston pitch this weekend in St. Pete. No Haren, Harden, Huston, Crosby...<sobs>
You're right.
Ha ha.
The bright side...
Like Macha's going to let him play.
when Kotsay wears the gear ...
Huston's still possible
"From a medical perspective, he's great," Davis said. "It's turning into a confidence issue more than anything else."
The plan is to have Street pitch a simulated game Wednesday. If all goes well, he could be back with the team and available Friday in Tampa.
Any chance we can fly Stuart Smalley out to Oakland for Wednesday's bullpen session? Huston, you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people LIKE you!
"confidence issues"
In this case
but he's not been a lights-out closer this yr
street's got 3rd most BS (8) in AL
I thought Ozzie Guillen led the AL in BS
BS is a bad metric
by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
OT
But... but...
A pasttime that I enjoy more than baseball...
Below you will find a link to an OT editorial that attacks some CW in higher education. Don't worry, you will not find it to engage in outright left v. right politics.
The dirty secret about professors
By Alan Rosenthal
September 5, 2006
Should be an enjoyable read for those professors that teach at non-prestigious colleges, students contemplating the college that they'll attend, and students that have already completed degrees at non-prestigious colleges.
Edumacation
Both CSU and UC?
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Multiple degrees
In spite of my education
not even that!
Not high enough on the food chain
true, dat
Ahhh, a budget
Yeah, I know what you're thinking
Cry me a fucking river!
well,
Numbness helps
ya, just make sure its Stanford
Is Stanford a Lib Arts? :-)
Geesh, two smiley faces in one thread for me...i must be having "a happy day".
Go read EiO
i do, daily
well, maybe not daily
I think
Research universities = bad undergrad education
Non-research universities = good undergrad education.
Here is my solution: in light of this apparently glaring market failure at elite private schools, the whole of higher education should be subjected to stringent government regulation, presided over by teams of bureaucrats. (;
That's actually completely
The same is generally true for scientists, my wife would agree (she is a physicist). However we have met some scientists for whom the non-research undergraduate education was a boon for their understanding of rigorous fundamentals. This is naturally more important in a more academic discipline such as math or physics than in a more practical discipline such as biology or engineering.
Good point
Totally agree with your
That's why
Teams of bureaucrats and market failures?
But hey [not sure what a Butt Hay is], if undergrads are still getting well compensating jobs by getting degrees from the elite schools, whatchagonnado?
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I do, however, agree
Why?
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap...didn't catch it and hate looking stupid
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I at least properly interpreted yours
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
did u attend a lib arts school?
Yes I did.
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
as someone who spent 12 yrs on school
Crap, took things literally again
~
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No [B]achelor of [S]cience...
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed with all your sentiments, LcJ, but ...
Good point!
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
ditto that
even more CW bucking
What would Carroll say about this injury?
Who is Yuliya Pechonkina ...
(And, yes, the vodka compresses obviously bleached them of pigmentation.)
She's a MAN, baby!
Joe Morgan
Rick (NYC): Is it possible for Joe Girardi to win Manager of the Year and get fired? Is Loria out of his mind?
SportsNation Joe Morgan: I don't think he will win Manager of the Year. What about Willie Randolph? He has been without Pedro and Glavine and dealt with so many injuries yet they have the best record in the league. How could Girardi be Manager of the Year with a .500 record? I don't understand that.
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by 415goas on Sep 5, 2006 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
maybe because the marlins are pretty much
by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
and girardi still has them in the playoff race.
by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The words that caused Zidane's World Cup head-butt
"I prefer your sister".
http://www.startribune.com/10070/story/656492.html
MLB.com fluff on div leaders

(Picture is link to story)
That's a 79.3-percent success rate for the teams on top when the fireworks subsided on Labor Day. Conversely, only 20.7 percent of the leaders, or 18 teams, missed the playoffs after leading on Labor Day
I'm shocked!
Urban mea culpa
From his mailbag.
Needs a mea maxima too
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 5, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
More from the mailbag...
-- Matt V., Santa Monica, Calif.
It's an intriguing possibility, to be sure, and I'm sure Mulder would be open to a return. He loved it here. But he might be headed for offseason shoulder surgery, so he'd probably have to be willing to accept a very modest, incentive-laden, one-year deal like the one Frank Thomas signed last winter for the A's to even consider the idea.
Okay, if Mulder comes back here next year, who wants to go in with me on a "Name In Lights" greeting that says "Dear Mulder, all twenty of Oakland's fans say Welcome Back!"?
Me! Me! Me!
Rotoworld never fails to amuse.
Blame his sore left wrist. His production has typically run in cycles anyway, and it's probably only a matter of time before he resumes injecting the Yankee offense and juicing a few out of the yard.
Cycles, Injecting, and Juicing.
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Another QOTM nominee. She's on FI-YAH!
That's awesome.
Two Thumbs Up
Yeah, right
lmao
Makes you wonder who the REAL cockroach is
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 5, 2006 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nuclear Waste Management?
your customers will be frightened by your monstrous clicking mandibles.
frantically paw at a ream of carbon triplicate paper
Those are classic!
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 5, 2006 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
DL RUMSFELD NOW!!!
Finally !
by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Tooting my own horn,,,
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060904&content_id=1645242& ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak
Among the adjustments Johnson has made is raising his hands; he'd fallen into the habit of resting the bat on his right shoulder while awaiting the pitch.
(Yeah it might be a day late.)
My comment from June 1st 2006
http://athleticsnation.com/comments/2006/6/1/174138/9311/77#77
what about the bat on shouder?
Maybe I am remembering too mch from little league, but we were told not to rest the bat on the shoulder. I see a few good big league hitters do it, but the difference I think between them and Johonson is that the they usually lift the bat during the wind up. DJ seems to leave it there until he swings. It is at most fractions of a second, but the difference between a hit and not is a fraction of a second.
if you succeed in this campaign ...
You had 'em eating your hands
Tough crowd
Antonio Perez
Pretending...
Not sure any arm chair coach has seen enough swings from him at decent pitches to have any idea if there is a swing problem.
I'm giving away 2 tickets to tonight's game!!!!
There is a teeny catch. I have to go home and transfer my tickets to you using the A's ticket transfer program. You will then have to print them up. I've never tried this procedure before, so there is a slim chance it will not work. If you are okay with a bit of uncertainty and don't mind waiting until 5:30 or so to get the tix (or not), then be the first to respond below and they are yours.
-Nick Swisher
What if we live in Sac?
Hmmmm....
-Nick Swisher
OH MY GOD
Ain't that the truth?
-Nick Swisher
Are you sure you need the bar code #'s?
Gotta have them bar codes
-Nick Swisher
BAR CODES? This is something Swisher uses..
no, a "Bar code" ...
Bar Code=
Go to Kinko's and use their internet
You could always just drive to a location in Oakland or Berkely or something to make the thing happen.
Then we're screwed. :(
I'd love to go, but I can't.
Ta-dah!
-Nick Swisher
Ta-dah indeed!
Go down the alley at 5:38 precisely.
I'll take them
by norcaldevilasu on Sep 5, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
-Nick Swisher
Their season ticket holder website SUCKS
Grrr...
-Nick Swisher
Why does it feel like Monday?
Loaiza named AL Pitcher of the Month
Esteban Loaiza...he brings all his
He's got the mother and the kids...
Standing on the corner, waiting for a bus...
Come on Mr. Bus Driver, Drive that thing fast (my Ferrari goes 140)
A's Claim Jerome Williams
Williams has been a major disappointment while posting a 4.76 ERA in 111 2/3 innings for Triple-A Iowa and his stuff isn't where it was a couple of years ago. Still, he's just 24 and he's certainly worthy of the 40-man roster spot. This is more of a pickup for 2007 than anything else, and the A's might not add him to the roster for the rest of this year.
Nice
Looking back at his numbers, his strikeout rate was always mediocre even though he seemed to have good stuff, so he's nothing to get too excited about, but picking up an extra major league arm is never a bad move.
And...
Hello? 1980 called, they want their necklace back.
Jim Bowden, boy genius,
Ummm Kim Sun-Woo
What a Difference a Year Makes!!!
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 5, 2006 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
Reading some of Reztips old posts
-Nick Swisher
and yet he knew what he was talking about
god, what a bunch of nonsense...
wow
What a difference a year makes indeed.;
by pickinmachine on Sep 5, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The 2006 Version is WAY Better for the:
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Sep 5, 2006 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
]my old blog entry from 9/11/04
THEN ... in the bottom of the 8th inning, it was still 4-3 when crosby hit a solo homerun to tie the game!
THEN ... our newest rookie, nick swisher, came up to bat after crosby and hit another solo homerun to give us the lead!!
we ended up winning 5-4!! GO HATTY! GO ROOKS! :)
can't wait to go to the game tomorrow!!
aww ... hatty! baby swisher! homerun-hitting crosby! :)
On the other hand, some things never change
by green star oakland on Sep 5, 2006 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It was great...
what did he say about the milton/swish
by larrysgurl on Sep 5, 2006 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Please forgive this giant comment:
David Lloyd: The Rangers and the West-leading A's, tonight in Oakland. We bring in A's OFer Bobby Kielty. Bobby, give us a feel for what you guys were thinking at the AS break, just a couple of games over .500, sort of trying to find your way a little bit.
Bobby Kielty: You know, the biggest thing, we weren't hitting the ball like we can as a team. Since the AS break we've really turned it on as far as hitting with RISP and over-all average. Our pitchers have been doing it all year, since the offense is picking up, the win column has been picking up, too.
DL: The thing is you seem to do this every year. I mean, at the AS Break you seem to get ignited. When it's June and you guys aren't going so well, do you guys think, hey, we'll kick it in gear when July rolls around?
BK: That's kind of the feeling. I don't know why. There's no explanation for it. For some reason, the Oakland A's, the last three years, we've been really good after the AS break. It just seems like that's the going trend. No explanation. I can't really put a finger on it at all. It's just the way things are going.
DL: No one has any theories in the clubhouse?
BK: Uh, no theories. Maybe the weather's heating up and our offense picks up when it heats up. But, I mean, that's all we can put a finger on. It's crazy, man. We just keep -- year after year keep playing good in the second half.
DL: It seems like you guys have fun. Zito, Swisher, yourself, a few others. What is the vibe like in the clubhouse?
BK: It's awesome. The best clubhouse I've been a part of. Just so much emotion and the energy. You know, some of the games we've had, uh, we've had a couple of games where we were acting like college players in the World Series when the CWS was going on. Uh, just screaming, yelling, and hollering, and hugs and hug-fives, and you know, all kinds of things. Uh, the heezey treezeys (Note: CC said heezey freezeys.) -
DL: [interrupting] What's a heezey treezey?
BK: [laughing] It's the Nick Swisher/Milton Bradley handshake. They jump on the heezey treezey for a little, uh, train ride, I guess.
DL: Can you do that?
BK: Uh, I don't got it down yet. I'm trying to learn it.
DL: [laughing] You're working on it, huh?
BK: Yeah, yeah.
DL: You guys are out front, as I mentioned. Yesterday was kind of a rough game for Jay Payton. Had a little trouble in left, the fans got on him a little bit. Now you were over in right field, what were you thinking watching all that?
BK: Well, actually I wasn't playing--
DL: Right.
BK: --I saw it all. I mean, Jay's been playing great all year. I think he was upset the fans were acting the way they were because he's been playing hard the whole year. He felt like he didn't deserve that at that point. All the plays that he had were though plays. It's not like they were routine plays by all means. All of them would've been great plays if he made the catch. You know, it just seemed like he got ragged on and he shouldn't have.
DL: Is that a sun field over in left?
BK: It's, I think, the worst sun in the American League. It can be really bad during the day, and we have so many day games here that the opportunity playing in that sun is a lot. (Note: WTF?)
DL: Hey Bobby, I wanted to get to this. Some people say you bear more than a passing resemblance to Ronald McDonald.
BK: [laughing]
DL: Can you see that?
BK: Man, if I knew cutting my hair was going to create the havoc that I've had... I've had so many fans ask why I cut my hair, why'd I cut my hair. When I'm in left field sometimes they'll start chanting, 'RON-NIE MAC! We want the `fro back!' It's pretty crazy. It's coming back, though. It's starting to get a little length, and I think it'll be ready for late September.
DL: Now how do you get the lift on that hair? Is it natural? Do you add any product in it to get it to go up like that?
BK: [laughing] It's, uh, a little bit product enhanced, I guess. But, for the most part, that what it looks like. It's pretty much a `fro when it gets long like that.
DL: Now I know you've got a sense of humor. You dressed up as Ronald McDonald last season. What was the reaction?
BK: Oh, man. Everyone loved it. The deal was, Kendall asked me if he bought me a Ronald McDonald suit, would I wear it around the clubhouse.
DL: Is that Jason Kendall?
BK: I said, yeah, I'll wear it. So one day I came in and the Ronald McDonald suit was in there. He had makeup and everything. He got the honors of putting the makeup on my face, him and Swisher got to put my makeup on.
DL: [laughing]
BK: Me and Bobby Crosby went down on the field and started throwing the ball around, messing around, goofing off. I think it was after kind of a bad loss to Anaheim, and we went out and ended up winning that game, so it was a good deal.
DL: Did you get any free Big Macs of anything from McDonald's? Anything?
BK: [laughing] No Big Macs. Still waiting.
DL: Maybe they'll watch this and send you a little coupon or something.
BK: That sounds good.
DL: Bobby, best of luck to you guys the rest of the way. The Oakland A's are on top of the AL West. Bobby Kielty joining us here on The Pregame.
BK: Thanks a lot.
UNFORGIVABLE
The A's don't play until late!!
Why don't they just keep the A's on call to my homework load?
...Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world catered to you?
...haha. Now I can't stop laughing.
<memo to cirquegirl: please stop eating all the cookies. you are getting out of control.>
So very nearly a dead monkey...
Jennifer's captor: DEFINITE nerd
(Though the more poetically apt obsolete CPU would have been an Apple II, right?)

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