Angels trying to acquire A-ROD
Just heard this over the radio. In a package deal inluding Santana, Figgins, Kendrick and Wood. I'd rather have them...
Just heard this over the radio. In a package deal inluding Santana, Figgins, Kendrick and Wood. I'd rather them go after Barroid. If Alex gets ont Angels he's going to flourish, that's GUARANTEED folks.
Hope this doesn't happen. If I were the Yankees I'd ask for alot more. Probably a deal that included Shields and Weaver, though I'd doubt they'd give that stud up.
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Wow...
Evidently, it is.
by Chavinator on Sep 21, 2006 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
God I hate the Yankees. Thats a FUCKING HELL of a bounty.
by Zonis on Sep 21, 2006 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yea seriously
by dbeach13 on Sep 21, 2006 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is not going to happen
by scottofchico on Sep 21, 2006 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it will happen, too
Oh, Wait...what football?
by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Art Moreno has said $$$ wouldn't be
In other words, nothing but unfounded rumor at this point.
And last I heard the asking price was Figgins, Santana, Shields and one prospect.
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how much of A-Rod's salary ...
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe $5 mill a year
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just over $10 million
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow 70 million dollars for nothing....
by enz on Sep 21, 2006 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking it down
A-Rod will get $27 million annual starting in 2007 and lasting through 2010. The Rangers are contributing roughly $10 million annual. So that's a $17 million nut for whomever he plays for, which is only $5 million more than the A's are paying for Kendall this year. I don't think the Yankees want to give up any cash, but if they do the price in talent a team would have to give up would be HUGE.
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, but ...
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-rod as SS for the A's
by gdub171 on Sep 22, 2006 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concessions
Remember, the only way A-Rod hits the trade market is if he stinks it up in the playoffs. If that happens the Yankees will not be holding the high ground in any trade negotiations. They will be looking to trade an under-performing (for the NY market) player with 4 years gauranteed at $17 million annual. Now, it's still A-Rod we're talking about so the Yankees aren't going to get stuck with a couple of scrubs in return, but they are not going to be able to get max value.
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair 'nuff
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
similar to the way the BoSox
by AsFanInLA on Sep 22, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how sad
by drmmerchk on Sep 21, 2006 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He actually might do better in LAAAAA land
by oaklandbbfan on Sep 21, 2006 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, in that:
But A-Rod would do more damage to the A's playoff chances and for a longer period of time.
by StewFan on Sep 21, 2006 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The heart agrees
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nuts think you're brain
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the vet thinks you should be put to sleep
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
Either one on the Angels would not be good for the A's. But it would really, really suck if Miggy was there.
by OaklandSi on Sep 21, 2006 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute suckage
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather they keep the prospects
Brandon Wood, meet Derek Jeter. Howie Kendrick, meet Robinson Cano.
That leaves the Yankees with a second baseman or shortstop they'd have to move to third and/or outfield, utilityman, and a starter with some pretty good upside. Not bad, but for A-Rod? Are you kidding?
If the Angels make that deal we might as well engrave their names on the rest of the AL West titles from 2007 to about 2014.
Now if Jered Weaver were involved, I'd be far happier.
by walk off bunt on Sep 21, 2006 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Figgins to CF, Wood to 3B, Kendrick to 1B.
Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Jason, Sheff, Matsui, Kendrick, Wood, Figgins as second leadoff.
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.....Forgot Posada....
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually if the Angels
That's a GREAT bounty for the Yankees.
Kendrick and Wood are 2 of the top middle infield prospects in baseball.
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed they are
That's the big thing about prospects. They're prospects. You certainly need to have them, but the reason you need so many is because so very many flame out. Prospects are essentially a bet. Kendrick and Wood may be great bets, but A-Rod is a sure thing.
by walk off bunt on Sep 22, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod
- How many championships does A-Rod have again?
- How many division titles does A-Rod have? Maybe One or Two?
by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
E X A C T L Y
by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only response to this is ...
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome.....
by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 21, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny + Papi is ugly.
by Ozzz on Sep 21, 2006 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
by rich on Sep 22, 2006 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
by alox on Sep 21, 2006 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the Angels would still have pitching!
Now add A-Rod and Vlad in the heart of the order taking the heat off young guys like Kendrick, Aybar and Wood.
It starts to get scary.
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels won't have to part with both
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would wood?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Angels make some crazy dumb moves
by rebus on Sep 21, 2006 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is always the chance
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Stoneman's FA moves, other than Vlad, who was a can't miss, haven't been that great.
And with Arte telling the entire media that he's going to fling open the pocketbooks, there's no way he can "spend wisely", even if he does acquire talent. Remember the ridiculous free agent market in 2001, when talent was there, but overpaid for?
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can pull off a reasonable deal
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching and Defense
by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod's had a tough year defensively
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
VORP
Then, take away Kendrick and Santana.
I still like our chances.
by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season isn't over yet
I think the Angels can afford to part with one of their 3 young infielders. If they can pair Wood or Aybar or Kendrick with Santana to get A-Rod I think it improves their team. They'd still have Saunders, Escobar, Lackey and Weaver and that's a damn good start for their rotation.
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Vlad was a can't miss
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
concerns about his back
by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no chance, just silly rumors
by china bob on Sep 21, 2006 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod : the new AL West whore
by dtownmbrown on Sep 21, 2006 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd LOVE to see it happen
but vlad + rodriguez would be awfully tasty!
by yeswecan on Sep 22, 2006 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see it happen,
by Nico on Sep 22, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also heard Soriano to Angels rumors
by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 2:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Happen
by jubjub on Sep 22, 2006 5:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey grover
by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby has littl value right now
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden, yes. Street? Tough call...
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much pinned on two unhealthy guys...
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's call it A-Rod + $4 million
If Harden can help the A's get past the 1st round and pitch brilliantly for the next month than maybe his value will go up in the eyes of the Yankees. At this point, Crosby is nothing more than a salary dump for the Yankees. Seriously, if A-Rod couldn't move Jeter from SS what chance does Crosby have? Right now Crosby is an injury prone glove with the potential to hit better than average. The Yank's already have Cano at 2B and while they would probably improve their infield defense by moving Crosby into his spot, they wouldn't have to acknowledge that in any negotiations.
Cashman could simply say, "Well, we've got Jeter and Cano in the MI and we're happy with that combo. We made the playoffs with those two. What we're wondering is how Crosby could replace Alex at 3rd base." So Crosby offers Beane no leverage, he's a throw in and at 2 million dollars he's not exactly cheap. Including Crosby at this point probablt does more to hurt Oakland's cause than help.
(This could change if the deal goes down in ST and Crosby could have spent some time in the Winter Leagues being healthy and productive.)
But back to the original scenario.
The Yankees will need to replace Posada soon and their system isn't exactly flush with options. That's where Suzuki comes in. But even now, you've got to remember that the Yankees sent a 27 year old Alfonso Soriano and their #4 prospect in exchange for A-Rod. I'd say in terms of talent the gap has closed considerably. Harden + Suzuki for A-Rod isn't laugh out loud unreasonable. But Harden's injury history is going to demand more from Oakland. Maybe if the A's were really lucky they could get away with sending Duke or Calero over as well, but it's more likely Cashman would dig in his heals for Street.
Harden, Street and Suzuki for A-Rod and cash. It gets Oakland into the game but it wouldn't gaurantee anything.
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well ...
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much like when the Rangers acquired Carlos Lee
Our starting rotation with a healthy Harden will be better than this year's group so let's hang our hats on defense with a little improvement in our hitting consistency. Peace, snaps and LAA sweeps-- doesn't rhyme and I don't really care.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me
Huh?
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Harden is untouchable.
Harden for A-Rod straight-up, with salaries taken into account, is a trade I do not make.
by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely clear on the
If you're looking at the Big 27 than I completely agree. Otherwise, I disagree. I look at the 2007 roster and worry about the offense. The A's do not have anyone on the 40 man roster that I feel comfortable calling a starting SS. Crosby has been a flop. Yes, he still has potential and a good glove, but A-Rod isn't a defensive slouch himself.
Damn straight I'd trade a pitcher who, if everything goes swimmingly this postseason, will have made roughly 30 starts in the last two years for one of the best SS in the last 20 years. If I can get A-Rod at $13 million out-of-pocket I don't even hesitate.
As to the risk to selling low on Harden, I agree in principle. But please note that this exercise in GM-ship was based around Harden re-establishing himself during the playoffs. I wouldn't trade low Harden in any case, but for as talented as he is I would trade his potential greatness for a good player I could depend on all year. His talent means nothing to the W-L column if he can't make it onto the field.
by grover on Sep 23, 2006 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they do
by MrIncognito on Sep 22, 2006 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone read the SI article about A-Rod?
That article is highly recommended; I don't know if it's available online or not. A-Rod even laments that Chavez has received nearly unconditional support from the fans despite his relative down year...whereas he hasn't. Best SI article I've read in a while.
by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's 4 am
by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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