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Angels trying to acquire A-ROD

Just heard this over the radio. In a package deal inluding Santana, Figgins, Kendrick and Wood. I'd rather have them...

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Just heard this over the radio. In a package deal inluding Santana, Figgins, Kendrick and Wood. I'd rather them go after Barroid. If Alex gets ont Angels he's going to flourish, that's GUARANTEED folks.

Hope this doesn't happen. If I were the Yankees I'd ask for alot more. Probably a deal that included Shields and Weaver, though I'd doubt they'd give that stud up.

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Wow...
Didn't know if it was possible for me to hate the Angels more.

Evidently, it is.

Duke is my security blanket.

by Chavinator on Sep 21, 2006 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait
If the Angels take on all of ARod's salary, and give up Kendrick, Wood, Santana and Figgins...

God I hate the Yankees. Thats a FUCKING HELL of a bounty.

by Zonis on Sep 21, 2006 5:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea seriously
just for the salary dump purposes i would do arod for wood and kendrick, if i were the yanks.

by dbeach13 on Sep 21, 2006 5:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is not going to happen
I really dought this deal is going to happen. I dought there is mucj to this story
I am a sports writter.

by scottofchico on Sep 21, 2006 5:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it will happen, too
Sounds like LA Sports Talk Radio is trying to drum up something interesting to kill time between Baseball and Football Season.  

Oh, Wait...what football?

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Art Moreno has said $$$ wouldn't be
an issue in the Angels' attempts to acquire talent this offseason. A-Rod is a popular target because the NY press has been having a field day reporting every negative thing that has been said, thought or imagined about him.

In other words, nothing but unfounded rumor at this point.

And last I heard the asking price was Figgins, Santana, Shields and one prospect.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how much of A-Rod's salary ...
... is Texas still picking up?
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 5:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually
try more around $10-12 million per year

by Zonis on Sep 21, 2006 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just over $10 million
Texas promised to pay $71 million over the remaining 7 years of the deal.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow 70 million dollars for nothing....
That's why Texas is going nowhere and we're going to the playoffs!!!

by enz on Sep 21, 2006 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap
That means that if we (or any other team) could get NYY to pay, say, $2M-$3M/yr, A-Rod's actual cost to the acquiring team would be appreciably below market value.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Breaking it down
Simple version:

A-Rod will get $27 million annual starting in 2007 and lasting through 2010. The Rangers are contributing roughly $10 million annual. So that's a $17 million nut for whomever he plays for, which is only $5 million more than the A's are paying for Kendall this year. I don't think the Yankees want to give up any cash, but if they do the price in talent a team would have to give up would be HUGE.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, but ...
... if the Yankees want to move him, they will have to eat some (perhaps nominal) share of his contract. I don't see anyone (even Arte "Please! Let me overpay some more players!" Moreno) doing a deal without that concession.
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-rod as SS for the A's
Give em a PTBNL
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Sep 22, 2006 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concessions
The Angels have the money to take on the full $17 million. That's why I don't think they'd have to give up Santana, Woods and Kendrick, the Yankee's simply won't have the financial leverage they usually have when dealing with high priced contracts.

Remember, the only way A-Rod hits the trade market is if he stinks it up in the playoffs. If that happens the Yankees will not be holding the high ground in any trade negotiations. They will be looking to trade an under-performing (for the NY market) player with 4 years gauranteed at $17 million annual. Now, it's still A-Rod we're talking about so the Yankees aren't going to get stuck with a couple of scrubs in return, but they are not going to be able to get max value.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair 'nuff
I can see the Yankees aggressively marketing A-Rod, and then ending up stuck with him after all, when every negotiation with other teams grinds to a halt with "Well, you're gonna have to pay some of his salary!" vs "Well, you're gonna have to give us the two best players from your farm system!"
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

similar to the way the BoSox
try to "trade" Manny every off season?

by AsFanInLA on Sep 22, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how sad
that my first thought was "he'd look RIDICULOUS in their uniforms".
"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Sep 21, 2006 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He actually might do better in LAAAAA land
versus NY and the intense media scrutiny.

by oaklandbbfan on Sep 21, 2006 6:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, in that:
it would be better for my heart and stomach.

But A-Rod would do more damage to the A's playoff chances and for a longer period of time.

by StewFan on Sep 21, 2006 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The heart agrees
The brain thinks you're nuts.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the nuts think you're brain
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the vet thinks you should be put to sleep
Don't make me regret my act of mercy.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha
notice I didn't go into a long winded discussion of relative historic, current and projected VORP, playoff history, blah, blah blah.

Either one on the Angels would not be good for the A's. But it would really, really suck if Miggy was there.

by OaklandSi on Sep 21, 2006 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolute suckage
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather they keep the prospects
That's anwful bounty for the Yankees. ESPECIALLY for the Yankees.

Brandon Wood, meet Derek Jeter. Howie Kendrick, meet Robinson Cano.

That leaves the Yankees with a second baseman or shortstop they'd have to move to third and/or outfield, utilityman, and a starter with some pretty good upside. Not bad, but for A-Rod? Are you kidding?

If the Angels make that deal we might as well engrave their names on the rest of the AL West titles from 2007 to about 2014.

Now if Jered Weaver were involved, I'd be far happier.

there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Sep 21, 2006 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Santana to rotation.

Figgins to CF, Wood to 3B, Kendrick to 1B.

Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Jason, Sheff, Matsui, Kendrick, Wood, Figgins as second leadoff.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops.....Forgot Posada....
Slide him in there and put Figgins at 3B.....Wood is the Utility guy until Sheff leaves then Figgy goes to LF and Matui to RF.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually if the Angels
make a Kendrick, Wood, Santana, Figgins for Arod deal, I would confidently engrave the A's names on the rest of the AL West titles.

That's a GREAT bounty for the Yankees.

Kendrick and Wood are 2 of the top middle infield prospects in baseball.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed they are
But A-Rod is quite possibly the best PLAYER in baseball. And that's gauranteed. Nothing yet is guaranteed with Wood and Kendrick.

That's the big thing about prospects. They're prospects. You certainly need to have them, but the reason you need so many is because so very many flame out. Prospects are essentially a bet. Kendrick and Wood may be great bets, but A-Rod is a sure thing.

there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Sep 22, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod
  • How many championships does A-Rod have again?
  • How many division titles does A-Rod have?  Maybe One or Two?
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

E X A C T L Y
"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only response to this is ...
Pat Borders, World Series MVP
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be awesome.....
that's a lot to give up for one guy.  Pitching - especially young pitching - is precious.  The less the Angels have the better.

by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 6:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
The Angels would be giving up several prospects who would cause us nothing but problems for several years.  Vlad + A-rod would be ugly though.
"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 21, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny + Papi is ugly.
We still kick the shit out of the Red Sox, don't we?
"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Sep 21, 2006 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm...
Except, when we swept the Red Sox recently, neither of these two played in any of the three games.
"I have to stay kind of focused when I'm pitching." ~Barry Zito, 7/19/06

by rich on Sep 22, 2006 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
I actually wouldn't mind this deal all that much.  Weaken the Angels pitching just to add a little more pop to their lineup?  Didn't we spend several years beating Texas like a drum with A-Rod?  Why should it be any different now?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 21, 2006 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because the Angels would still have pitching!
Let's say Colon is toast for next year and the Angels have to include Santana to get the deal done. That still leaves them with a rotation of Lackey, Weaver, Escobar and Saunders. That's more pitching than the Rangers have fielded in the last 5 years! They have the financial resources to find another SP on the open market and they can even afford to go after the high priced talent like Zito and Schmidt.

Now add A-Rod and Vlad in the heart of the order taking the heat off young guys like Kendrick, Aybar and Wood.

It starts to get scary.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that
in the trade suggested by the poster, Kendrick and Wood would be Yankees.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angels won't have to part with both
Woods is over-rated in my opinion, he'll be good but not the next A-Rod. I figure they'd part with Wood and keep Kendrick.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

would wood?
"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Angels make some crazy dumb moves
this offseason as a result of not making the playoffs. Spend spend spend Moreno.

by rebus on Sep 21, 2006 7:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There is always the chance
that the Angels could spend wisely, which would not be a good thing for Oakland.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
and there's the chance that they'd sign JC Romero and Jeff Weaver and ... wait, they did?

Stoneman's FA moves, other than Vlad, who was a can't miss, haven't been that great.

And with Arte telling the entire media that he's going to fling open the pocketbooks, there's no way he can "spend wisely", even if he does acquire talent. Remember the ridiculous free agent market in 2001, when talent was there, but overpaid for?

--Nebraska--

ThePastime

by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he can pull off a reasonable deal
for A-Rod, one that doesn't strip his roster and farm system bare, than the Angels will be looking pretty darn good.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching and Defense
Angels should really be focusing on improving their Defense.  A-Rod is not an improvement in that area.
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod's had a tough year defensively
But he was much better last year and an escape from NY could only help his play. And he'd be a better overall choice to play 3rd base than the Angels currently have. Izturis is a nice player, but c'mon.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

VORP
Would A-Rod's VORP as Angels 3B made enough difference to overtake the A's this season?   I doubt it.

Then, take away Kendrick and Santana.  

I still like our chances.

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2006 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This season isn't over yet
I mean it practically is, and maybe A-Rod wouldn't have made a difference this year but next year...?

I think the Angels can afford to part with one of their 3 young infielders. If they can pair Wood or Aybar or Kendrick with Santana to get A-Rod I think it improves their team. They'd still have Saunders, Escobar, Lackey and Weaver and that's a damn good start for their rotation.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Vlad was a can't miss
why did so many other team not go after him? Why did the Angels manage to sign him at a relative bargain?
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

concerns about his back
he'd been out with a back injury the year before, missed maybe 6 weeks I think
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point
Thus, the Angels deserve credit.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no chance, just silly rumors
by drunken sportswriters. If it did happen does anyone really think he would help.  Ask the Mariners and Texas how much he helped them.

by china bob on Sep 21, 2006 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod : the new AL West whore
I'm not sure what would help the Angels more: a plethura of young talent, or A-Rod finally feeling no pressure.

by dtownmbrown on Sep 21, 2006 10:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd LOVE to see it happen
but something tells me it won't. no inside info or anything, just a hunch.

but vlad + rodriguez would be awfully tasty!

by yeswecan on Sep 22, 2006 12:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see it happen,
and I'm an A's fan. Kendrick and Wood have a chance to be an incredible duo; throw in a 23(?) year old pitcher who's already major league good AND a stolen base leader and you've given up more than any one player can net you in return. I don't think that would be such a great trade for the Angels at all.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 22, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also heard Soriano to Angels rumors
...and that would cost them nothing in terms of young talent, as he is a free agent.
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 2:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't Happen
anytime soon.  If the yanks win the series, it definitely wouldn't happen, but if they lose early in the playoffs, who knows.  Either way, nothing would happen till November at the earliest.
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Sep 22, 2006 5:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey grover
What do we give up to get A-Rod, and how do we fit him into the payroll?  I know you have figured this one out already.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly
I've got no idea. But it would be more pain than I think the A's could handle. Our farm system is looking awfully weak at the moment and the Yankees will want young, immediate impact talent in return.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok
Street, Crosby, Blanton, and Windsor for A-Rod, J. Brent Cox, and some cash?  Or is that too lopsided in our favor?
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby has littl value right now
Street for sure, I think they'd push for Haren or Harden instead of Blanton and if we're talking money coming back... Suzuki and/or another prospect.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
You and I are similar in our thoughts on Harden I believe.  Do you include him if you get the deal done?  I'm not sure that Rich will ever be healthy for a full year, so it might be worth the risk.  What do you think?
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden, yes. Street? Tough call...
The A's do have some MR prospects coming up, but it's tough to say so long to an inexpensive and effective arm like Street. Strangely, no way in Hell do I give up Haren. I just don't see the minor league tallent to make up for the loss of Zito and Haren, the two stalwarts of our rotation. Harden may have more talent, but we spent most of the year without him.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I agree completely on Haren.  He's the guy that will be the ace for this team for years to come.  I'd move Croz/Harden/Street for A-Rod, Cox, and $4 million a year.  I think Cox could slide into a setup role next year with Duke at closer.  I don't think we'd have too much of a dropoff in the pen, and like you said, we haven't had Harden enough to really miss him if traded.  Think of the numbers Chavy could put up hitting in front of A-Rod.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So much pinned on two unhealthy guys...
Crosby and Harden would be a tough sell. And even if Beane managed it I doubt he could pry Cox away. He'd be lucky to get the cash, much less a breathing body.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
Would it take a guy like Suzuki in your opinion to close the deal, or would someone like Robnett/Putnam/Powell/Windsor/Komine make it work?
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Sep 22, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's call it A-Rod + $4 million
Centered around Crosby and Harden.

If Harden can help the A's get past the 1st round and pitch brilliantly for the next month than maybe his value will go up in the eyes of the Yankees. At this point, Crosby is nothing more than a salary dump for the Yankees. Seriously, if A-Rod couldn't move Jeter from SS what chance does Crosby have? Right now Crosby is an injury prone glove with the potential to hit better than average. The Yank's already have Cano at 2B and while they would probably improve their infield defense by moving Crosby into his spot, they wouldn't have to acknowledge that in any negotiations.

Cashman could simply say, "Well, we've got Jeter and Cano in the MI and we're happy with that combo. We made the playoffs with those two. What we're wondering is how Crosby could replace Alex at 3rd base." So Crosby offers Beane no leverage, he's a throw in and at 2 million dollars he's not exactly cheap. Including Crosby at this point probablt does more to hurt Oakland's cause than help.

(This could change if the deal goes down in ST and Crosby could have spent some time in the Winter Leagues being healthy and productive.)

But back to the original scenario.

The Yankees will need to replace Posada soon and their system isn't exactly flush with options. That's where Suzuki comes in. But even now, you've got to remember that the Yankees sent a 27 year old Alfonso Soriano and their #4 prospect in exchange for A-Rod. I'd say in terms of talent the gap has closed considerably. Harden + Suzuki for A-Rod isn't laugh out loud unreasonable. But Harden's injury history is going to demand more from Oakland. Maybe if the A's were really lucky they could get away with sending Duke or Calero over as well, but it's more likely Cashman would dig in his heals for Street.

Harden, Street and Suzuki for A-Rod and cash. It gets Oakland into the game but it wouldn't gaurantee anything.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well ...
... Crosby certainly qualifies as "impact talent" ...
A lonely monkey is a spiritually dead monkey. -- tankerraid @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was
the human wrecking ball.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much like when the Rangers acquired Carlos Lee
I really don't care who they get in LAA.  We should worry about ourselves and remember the Beltre-type busts that are everywhere.  Many people acted as if the Rangers had won the division when they got Lee and I don't recall "fearing him" even one time.

Our starting rotation with a healthy Harden will be better than this year's group so let's hang our hats on defense with a little improvement in our hitting consistency.  Peace, snaps and LAA sweeps-- doesn't rhyme and I don't really care.  

"A's Brand Baseball: The worst best baseball you've ever seen!" -Chavvy

by ohtobe21likehuston on Sep 22, 2006 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me
A healthy Harden?

Huh?

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 22, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich Harden is untouchable.
Until he requires 3 consecutive Tommy John surgeries, he cannot be traded.  Not only will the injury concerns result in not receiving fair value for his TALENT (rather than results, to this point; this would be the epitome of selling low; see also rfloh's point about the Angels' signing of Guerrero above, as any team trading for Harden coming off injury would be doing what the Angels did when they acquired Guerrero, or even what the A's did tthis past season...load up on injury-prone potential superstars.)

Harden for A-Rod straight-up, with salaries taken into account, is a trade I do not make.

I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not entirely clear on the
"salaries taken into account" part means. Are you talking the $27 million annual, the $17 million the Yankees will be paying if 2007, or the proposed $13 million the A's would pony up?

If you're looking at the Big 27 than I completely agree. Otherwise, I disagree. I look at the 2007 roster and worry about the offense. The A's do not have anyone on the 40 man roster that I feel comfortable calling a starting SS. Crosby has been a flop. Yes, he still has potential and a good glove, but A-Rod isn't a defensive slouch himself.

Damn straight I'd trade a pitcher who, if everything goes swimmingly this postseason, will have made roughly 30 starts in the last two years for one of the best SS in the last 20 years. If I can get A-Rod at $13 million out-of-pocket I don't even hesitate.

As to the risk to selling low on Harden, I agree in principle. But please note that this exercise in GM-ship was based around Harden re-establishing himself during the playoffs. I wouldn't trade low Harden in any case, but for as talented as he is I would trade his potential greatness for a good player I could depend on all year. His talent means nothing to the W-L column if he can't make it onto the field.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Sep 23, 2006 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they do
A-Rod is great, but that's a ton of young, cheap talent to give up.

by MrIncognito on Sep 22, 2006 5:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone read the SI article about A-Rod?
...I'd say he needs yet another change of scenery.  Either that or the rest of his team does, because it does not appear A-Rod can co-exist with them for the duration of that infamous contract without experiencing some sort of breakdown...the part that struck me the most, aside from Giambi's acting like an asshole being spun deftly to as exhibiting leadership (isn't that always the case, though), was when A-Rod was so noticeably anxious in the field that the MVP candidate from the Yanks' biggest rival, David Ortiz, felt compelled to signal to him from the on-deck circle to tell him to relax.  The fact that a member of the Yankees' biggest rival showed A-Rod more empathy than anyone on his own team is all you need to know.  

That article is highly recommended; I don't know if it's available online or not.  A-Rod even laments that Chavez has received nearly unconditional support from the fans despite his relative down year...whereas he hasn't.  Best SI article I've read in a while.

I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's 4 am
"to exhibiting leadership" not "to as exhibiting leadership"...and even that doesn't read all that well, heh
I am no drunkard, I'm a hard-working man.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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