Unpopular Opinions
We're A's fans. We cheer alike. We boo alike. We throw chairs alike. I'd be willing to bet, though, that there's an issue for each of us that strays from a popular AN opinion and that's what I am interested in.
I'm curious. In what areas are you a member of a minority (or even solo) opinion? Do you like Macha? Think we should bunt more often? Are you not heartbroken about Zito's upcoming departure?
Spill. I promise that tarring and feathering will be kept to a minimum.
Here are mine:
1.) I like Derek Jeter. In fact, I like most of the Yankees. And of the few Yankees I dislike, two of them are former A's.
2.) I would like to steal more bases, especially on catcher's with poor percentages. I had hoped to do more running on Victor Martinez.
3.) Zito's departure is going to affect me a whole lot less than that of Hudson or Mulder.
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I think Mt. Davis is an architectural gem
Oh wait, you were being serious. Sorry.
by DavidA on Sep 21, 2006 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Alameda Greg on Sep 21, 2006 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who thinks of Larry Davis...
by Ozzz on Sep 21, 2006 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% on #1.
by Flyin As on Sep 21, 2006 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Giambi and Damon, actually.
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Lidle?
by MobiusKlein on Sep 21, 2006 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Octavia Dotel?
by Plunkage on Sep 21, 2006 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think situations DO matter
* With good coaching, players can learn and get better, and exceed their previous career means.
* With a suitable environment, players can play at the top of their capabilities, rather than in the middle or at the bottom. I think, for example, that if Jermaine Dye weren't getting the "you must be patient and walk" message drilled into his head, he'd have been a much better player his final year in Oakland.
* I think that with more playing time, Antonio Perez would be a much better hitter. Not true of Ginter.
* A-Rod has not been as clutch as Jeter in his career. I think there's a difference between a home run when your team's up 6-1 in the 8th vs. down 3-2 in the 9th. The situation is different, the crowd is acting differently, the adrenaline is flowing -- can a player transcend all that and perform anyway? Jeter has shown he can. The Hurt has shown that he can. A few players are naturals at this (I can't even think of any) but most have to learn how. This is where the "veteran presence" matters. Anyway....I do believe that most players freak out when a big hit is needed, and that reduces their ability to produce said big hit. And I think A-Rod will learn how but hasn't yet.
As an aside, I think Street is going to be REALLY good next year. He's a kid, he's willing to learn, he's got great stuff and a great attitude.
by oblique on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My unpopular/controversial opinions
- I like Dan Johnson, and I think he can still be a productive player.
- Where the A's play their home games means little to me.
- I like Darin Erstad, even if he is an Angel.
- I don't have a problem with Macha's laid back style.
- I'm not a big fan of Adam Melhuse.
- I don't believe there is such a thing as trolling.
- I don't have blind faith in Billy Beane.
- I'm not going to miss Zito that much. I still miss Hudson.
- I think Lew Wollf has been a good owner so far.
- I never liked Jose Canseco.
- I respect comprehensive statistics and metrics more than scouts.
- I think Joe Buck is a decent broadcaster.
- I rarely read Nico's game summaries. Sorry Nico, I don't mean you any harm, it's just that I'm not often interested in them. They're often too cutesy.
- No offense, but I was never that impressed with Bill King. He was good, but not fantastic.
- I'm hungry. Wait, no, that's not an unpopular opinion, I'm just hungry...
I hope this won't be remembered as the diary where they killed Nebraska...
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you better duck
by pickinmachine on Sep 21, 2006 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
difference
by a long shot.
However, I don't think Bill King was a god, and neither do I think that Joe Buck is completely crappy.
King was still much better, though. I just don't think either was at an extreme end of the spectrum.
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can deal with all of those
by mikeA on Sep 21, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my opinion of Joe Buck
I was 13 at the time, and the home run, combined with Buck's enthusiasm, really stuck with me.
So that's why I don't hate on Joe Buck, even though he probably deserves it.
Remember, this is unpopular opinions, not "unpopular theories backed up by solid evidence".
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as with many broadcasters ...
Even <gasp!> Tim McCarver used to be pretty good.
And my heretical thought is that I actually kinda like Tim McCarver, even now.
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim McCarver will always...
by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarver got burned
by gdub171 on Sep 21, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Angela Lansbury once had a sweet takedown
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you weren't that impressed with Bill king...
a) not old enough to remember him doing A's, Warriors and Raider games.
b) don't care that he did
c) didn't listen to the A's everyday in the 80s and 90s
d) just rocking the boat for the hell of it..
regardless, I like the post...just don't nobody talk bad 'bout BILL KING!!!
by Erik being Erik on Sep 21, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I knew the Bill King one was going to gereate some heat...
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I first heard Bill's Warriors calls...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anything more unnatural....
The Raiders were Bill's first love, and it showed.
by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
by iceplant on Sep 22, 2006 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Niehaus
by K56 on Oct 24, 2006 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see Nebraska!
(oh wait...who's trolling who here?)
by 510inDenver on Sep 21, 2006 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Nico's wrapups...
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all wish the same thing
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, my warm, fuzzy thread mojo thread
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said below
Or lack of said skills.
Just out of curiosity, do you prefer it when I twist the dagger counter-clockwise or would you rather I stick to the more common clockwise motion?
Because I'm all about you being warm and fuzzy. :)
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, fwiw
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awww...well, thanks.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this much
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Sal's the last of the Dork Siders
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think grover is cute....
how's that for unpopular?
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got the legs
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting.
BBG! will you take on grover's challenge???
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2006 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE.
Well...that I can mention on this slightly-PG-13-but-not-R thread.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be TWO things?
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't that be 3 things?
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would anyone...
by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseballgirl
by Daddo on Sep 22, 2006 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grover, I disagree with you...
by gmoneymcg on Sep 21, 2006 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like that comment at all.
by oblique on Sep 21, 2006 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<golf clap>
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, what an asshole!
by andeux on Sep 21, 2006 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay right there
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like BBGs writing
BBG has a very intimate, friendly way of writing that i find very charming and readable.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm charming and readable!!!!
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take serious offense
by sardonic on Sep 21, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here goes,
- I'm not a Yankees fan, but they have some of the classiest coaches and players the game has ever seen. I root for them to beat the Red Sox, because everything you can say about NY's dignity and class goes out the window when you talk about Boston.
- I think Barry Zito is WAY over-rated. Solid pitcher -- great career here -- played "every day,"-- too laid back for my taste, won't miss him when he's gone.
- I think T. Long gets a bad rap -- always played hard (wherever they moved him,) and made some great plays for us. Yeah, he spoke his mind a couple times (just like Payton, Bradley, Byrnes, etc.) but all in all, I thought he played his ass off for Oakland and received very little credit for it.
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With regards to T.Long
I seriously cannot illustrate how much ass Terrence Long sucked.
Like think if at the beginning of this year Chavez had gotten hurt and then Perez had started the whole year, performing like he has.
Then we'd be sorta talking about Terrence Long.
by walk off bunt on Sep 21, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why T. Long was great
He wasn't a true leadoff hitter.
He had the only hit that gave us a chance to score when Jeremy.... you know...
He should have been rookie of the year if it wasn't for a 36 year old guy in Seattle
He gave me a baseball at an Angel game.
I love T. Long...
by Erik being Erik on Sep 22, 2006 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with #1
by blueconversechucks on Sep 22, 2006 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
by antigiants on Sep 22, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's mine...
by Kelly on Sep 21, 2006 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But 4/4 is always good.
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you're trying to waltz.
by oblique on Sep 21, 2006 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you objecting to my happy fuzzy thread?
WARM FUZZIES, PEOPLE!
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark me a fan of the warm fuzzies
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warm Fuzzies
Yay for the return of Rich. Wheeee!
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just kidding.
I would say that I'm not a fan of Macha, but I was not a fan before it was cool not to be a fan!
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not alone in your 3, TurnTwo
I also like Macha far more often than not... not only do I think he's a good manager, I think he's really funny.
I won't cheer for Esteban Loaiza. I don't applaud his introduction, or his departure after a good start, or any strike he throws unless the batter swung at it & missed/fouled. He gets enough loud love from the rest of the crowd, I'm sure he doesn't miss having it from me.
I prefer Ginter to Perez.
I have no idea what any current player's current stat on anything is (except "Street's 35th save" managed to stick to my brain last night).
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I root for the Yanks when the A's are:
by saint on Sep 21, 2006 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's win despite Macha,
He is far too erratic to pay the money he is going to get paid.
by china bob on Sep 21, 2006 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Jason Giambi
- I have no hard feelings toward him whatsover, and a very small part of me would like to see him win a World Series. This small part is often beaten senseless by the large part that wants the A's to win the World Series, but it's still there.
- I agreed with Melhuse for Dye.
- I'm a Ken Macha fan.
by Dog Days on Sep 21, 2006 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Melhuse for Dye??!!
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best hitter?
Not over-managing at all. The right call.
by Dog Days on Sep 21, 2006 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed 100%, DD
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have mixed feelings on that decision,
by mikeA on Sep 21, 2006 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melhuse for Dye
I'm pretty sure that macha said he was playing for the win that inning because Foulke wasn't available.
by Larry E on Sep 21, 2006 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except...
by Erik being Erik on Sep 22, 2006 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
Melhuse was 3-4 in the series going into that last AB. Jermaine Dye hit .172 that year and was 3-13 in the series.
by Larry E on Sep 22, 2006 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except except
by green star oakland on Sep 22, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singleton
by Larry E on Sep 22, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I understand, but
(ii) Melhuse could then have batted for Singleton (although in reality Melhuse struck out and Singleton walked).
Either way, loading the bases with 1 out puts a lot more pressure on the pitcher that having first open, and if any team is going to win by walking home the tying run in the bottom of the 9th its the A's.
by green star oakland on Sep 22, 2006 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same result
by Larry E on Sep 22, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all in all
by Emmett89 on Sep 22, 2006 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My unpopular opinions
Anyways...
- I kinda like the Wave. I've never been to a game when I thought the timing was inappropriate considering the on-field situation.
- I think Ken Macha has done more to cost the A's ballgames than the Wave.
- Crosby is Fool's Gold. Time to move on.
- I wish Beane had managed to bring Jason Giambi back when the Yankees were looking to send him down to the minors a couple years ago.
- More team speed please. The A's haven't won a playoff series since Rickey was the lead-off hitter. Just saying.
- I don't really hate the Yankees. Or the Angels. But I do hate the lack of A's coverage on TV.
- Buying a Colesium Dog used to be one of the highlights of my game experience... not so much anymore.
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
giambi
i hate people like you who always have to say "i told you so"...
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/5/12/8268/27006
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope people follow your link
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i have been in a bad mood
but i'll hold off on the TJ surgery until the winter.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear of your ills
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Man Points!
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet nobody writes articles
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Tis a travesty
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense grover
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting theory
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, the Royals lost. When it rains it pours, eh?
by McFood on Sep 21, 2006 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it pours 100 - 38.2 percent of the time
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i way agree on 3(b)
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Larry Davis' tie-dyes
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol
by bluelightrain84 on Sep 21, 2006 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I firmly believe
by oblique on Sep 21, 2006 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular Opinions
- I don't think Barry Zito is an ace. He sure as hell isn't my ace.
- I don't like Marco Scutaro. At. All.
- I like Ken Macha. He's f'in hilarious. We could do so much worse than Ken.
- I like A-Rod. Screw you, Yankee fans.
- I miss Huddy. Mulder, eh.
- I like Chad Gaudin.
- jrbh didn't bother me.
- Neither does Rev.
- I like the tarps.
- Huston Street- eh, not so hot.
- "Celebration", or whatever the song is they play after wins, if horrible. This is 2006, folks. Can't we get a new song?
- I really don't want Rich Harden pitching today.
- I hate the magic number posted on the AN front page.
- I like KenKo more than I like Bill King.
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with 2,6,9 and 11
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOO! on the last 2
(And I love KenKo, don't get me wrong. Just not as much as Bill.)
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really get to listen to Bill
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things.
Plus, I'm scared the A's won't make the Playoffs. I don't want to see the f'in thing stuck on a certain number while the Angels are celebrating.
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll eat a can of glitter if the A's don't make it
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave Kool and the Gang
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't spray ME with the H8erade!
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the A's could stay in Oakland
by ArakSOT on Sep 21, 2006 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the green tops
I think I would run screaming if I had to endure thh A's clubhouse for a season.
I like Ken Macha.
I think only starting center fielders and short stops should be allowed to have high socks.
I would not like to be Milton Bradely's team mate.
The baseball season is about 3 weeks too long for me.
I hate the wild card.
I think Nick Swisher looks like a haockey goalie with all the crap he wears at the plate.
I dont like Bobby Crsby. not as a person mind you, but I have never seen what everyone else sees.
Eric Chavez is not a leader and I don't care. I don't think he has improved much since he was a rookie though.
I don't hate the angles or the Giants. I just don't. In fact, the only team I hate is the Red Sox, who gloat when they win and whine when they loose.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Sep 21, 2006 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All what stuff Swisher wears to the plate?
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the elbow wraps
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Sep 21, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't worn arm padding for a long time
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only wore the elbow sleeve for a couple of week
by theblackpearl on Sep 21, 2006 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Sep 21, 2006 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun
- I think Kennedy should start.
- Gerald Perry is an ass.
- I hate KICU's little green graphic AND Brodie's pre-game bravado.
- Urban is funny as hell.
- Bradley is not a very good hitter.
by eamb on Sep 21, 2006 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a dreamer
by prana160 on Sep 21, 2006 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay,
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I told you!
When does the damn game start?! ;)
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm mean everyday
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
try hanging out in the game-day thread...
by ArakSOT on Sep 21, 2006 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, shut up!
<whew>
Wow, it is a little mean in here... ;)
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'm part of the problem, all right
by ArakSOT on Sep 21, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus! What a grass knoll!
by McFood on Sep 21, 2006 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will make up for it tomorrow
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another dissenting voice
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh it's ON now! Watch your back, sister!
I hate unicorns. They're not real.
Joe Morgan is more funny than annoying.
by McFood on Sep 21, 2006 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah?
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG! That would be QOTM if they knew what I knew!
by McFood on Sep 21, 2006 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<evil laugh>
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little painful, and a little fun
- I think Macha is a good manager, and about 10 times smarter than most of the people who call him dumb.
- I don't care much about the batting order, because I know it hardly matters at all.
- I still don't like Jason Kendall, and previous point notwithstanding, think he should bat 8th or 9th.
- I think Ginter and Perez would both still suck no matter how much playing time they got.
- I think Tejada choked in the playoffs worse than Chavez, and, though he was a very good player, I don't miss his supposed leadership at all. (More brains and less "heart" and we get past the Red Sox. Ditto Byrnes.)
- I see no reason to believe that Larry Davis or the rest of the medical staff is incompetent.
- I still think Crosby will be good.
- I have some opinions on some other AN members that are best left unsaid.
by andeux on Sep 21, 2006 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No one likes a tease
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
So at this point, I guess I'm screwed either way.
by andeux on Sep 21, 2006 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I love about this comment
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we need more drama around here
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
by eamb on Sep 21, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screwed either way
But I suspect it's actually pronounced an-d'oh, a la Homer Simpson.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was a reference
AN deux, like hot shots part deux.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like how 2 and 3 contradict,
8.if you think i'm sexy, you don't have to say because i already know.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh you are so sexy
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, and I thought that Witasick in a tube top
by Rickeyfan on Sep 21, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Angels
by peanut gallery on Sep 21, 2006 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Controversial or Not...I Like Macha
- Larry Davis deserves CREDIT not rebuke for handling the A's injuries this year.
- Tony LaRussa has become a pain in the ass with his defense of McGwire.
- 20 years from now people will only then realize the effects of Alderson while at MLB to appreciate his contribution to baseball.
- Bud Selig made a mistake tying the All-Star game to the WS.
- Milton Bradley is underappreciated but BB will trade him before he can completely alienate himself from the organization and fans.
- Swisher IS the next Giambi.
- The A's will be in Fremont by 2011.
- The Oakland A's are not Small Market anymore. They're are actually at the back end of the medium sized markets. What's small market is is theor corporate sponsorship.
- Dan Johnson will hurt the A's someday, in another uniform.
- Bobby Crosby, alas, has digressed and needs more than just being healthy to be good.
by Gerard on Sep 21, 2006 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is #4 really an unpopular opinion?
by GreenNGoldSooner on Sep 21, 2006 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have one that's tied to that...
But yeah, tying the All-Star Game to home-field advantage in the World Series is stupid.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
optics
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seligula..perfect!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not mine, unfortunately
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man.....
- I love Jeter and Giambi. I think the booing and hatred of Giambi by A's fans is ridiculous
- I despise the white shoes, worst thing about the franchise.
- I hate the high socks
- I like the WS home field being decided by the ASG.
- I loved the WBC and wish it was more often than every 3 years.
- I think the most important player on the whoel team right now is.....Justin Duchsherer
- While I love this site and hate when the A's are playing badly, I think the site is a lot better when the A's are playing poorly. You can tell a lot about people in tough times. I really enjoy and appreciate the site when the A's are not playing well.
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I always like
- Ray Fosse annoyed me when he made that comment about flag-burning in July. But I really like the guy other than that.
by bluelightrain84 on Sep 21, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to be crucified for this
- I like Ken Macha; the A's could do much worse.
- I respect the Giants. <ducks>
- As a followup of #2, I grudgingly respect BLB. <runs away>
by rfloh on Sep 21, 2006 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh!
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
- I like players for very intangible reasons that * gasp * aren't numerically quantifiable
- Umm, they closed the upper deck. Buy a bleacher ticket and shut the hell up.
- I think the A's should stay in Oakland, because Oakland is where they belong.
- I don't totally trust Lew Wolff, but I like that he is visible and present at most of the games and gets all excited. However, I expect some terrible shoe to drop that will make me hate him.
- The thing I like most about the Coliseum is the parking lot. Tailgate! The rest is definitely ugly.
- I don't get Rev apologists AT ALL. He's crass and an asshole.
- I've met some (read SOME) of the left field bleacher people, and had some unfortunate conversations with them, which made it clear to me they suffer under the delusion that they own the Coliseum and are best friends with all the players. I want to shake them and say "is this what it takes to make you feel important?"
by tankerraid on Sep 21, 2006 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Concerning your first point
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?!? A's in Oakland?!?
by oaklandpete on Sep 22, 2006 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It apparently is.
by tankerraid on Sep 24, 2006 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Open the floodgates
- I like Loaiza better after his DUI and "rebirth" than I ever did before.
- I wish some of our guys were on roids still. We look like a little league team compared to some others. I just don't want to know.
- I bet Wash would be a shitty manager.
- People that don't know anything about baseball, and post things reflecting that....I think I'm a better person than they are.
- I believe I've "earned" an A's championship more than people who became fans after 2000. we're talking a lot of painful seasons, here.
- It makes me sick that we play in a 1/3 full stadium every night during a pennant race, and while the A's inevitable move one day will hurt me like I lost a loved one....it'll be tough to blame the owner that finally pulls the trigger.
- I believe all my exes made the biggest mistake of their lives A) getting involved w/ me and B) ever wanting it to end.
- There are a lot of people at A's games that I wouldn't want near my kids, if I had kids or knew the names of the ones I probably do have.
- The most fun I've ever had at A's games are being nearly blacked out and mercilessly heckling fans wearing opposing teams' shirts. I save this for special occasions.
by Tony on Sep 21, 2006 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like your fifth point
by Kelly on Sep 21, 2006 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best list I've seen
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great list.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Yankees.
by gdubb925 on Sep 21, 2006 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm slowly starting to feel this way too.
by oblique on Sep 21, 2006 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
by Hit4TheCycle on Sep 21, 2006 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boontling
by DavidA on Sep 21, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bundt Cake
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll echo the "I miss oaktoon" comments
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i miss him
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good way to put it
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AN is different without him
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two-way street
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly was always interesting
Some of his diaries were just so "out there", and even if he was proved wrong he would just keep arguing to argue, and then sneak in a couple insults.
by pickinmachine on Sep 21, 2006 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have faith in Crosby
(As I am typing this, it just occurred to me that Crosby is that person in Moneyball who 'looks' like a ballplayer).
I also had faith in Kotsay after his initial struggles...and Kendall...and Loaiza...
I want the A's in San Jose.
by easyraider on Sep 21, 2006 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A's signed with Oakland through 2010 with
Hope you like driving to Fremont.
Billy & co. will open SJ up to the Quakes again though,
...new SSS and everything.
by A s Eh on Sep 22, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's mine...
-I like listening to Rex Hudler. He makes me laugh and i like his passion for his team and the game of baseball.
-I am stoked about the A's possible moving to Fremont.
by SoCal As Fan on Sep 21, 2006 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to become involved in a
And I'm a guy.
by emperor nobody on Sep 21, 2006 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad looks like JoeKen's son.
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's the love child of...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, that's the one... :)
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hubba hubba!
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god, I love that picture.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Sep 21, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
by 510inDenver on Sep 21, 2006 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
- It drives me crazy that people actually say they would stop attending A's games if they left Oakland but stayed in the East Bay.
- I'm not sure there's another manager I'd rather have than Ken Macha; he's perfect for this team and GM
- I really trust statistical analysis, but love the fact that it's still chastised.
- If everyone embraced statistical analysis, I'd probably love "Old-school scouts."
- I believe Barry Zito either purposefully set up Mychael Urban on the Milton Bradley thing, asked Urban to do the team a favor by calling Bradley out just to light a spark or Zito is just an ass and doesn't like Bradley. In any case, I GUARANTEE Zito was Urban's source and doesn't really care where he plays next year as long as he gets paid.
- My trust in Billy Beane goes well beyond anything rational. I used to be more worried about losing him than any free agent.
- Evil is actually a psycological disorder, not a trait of an entire people/country/team.
- I don't "get" fan sites like AN, yet find myself reading it almost everyday.
- I still feel kind of guilty about liking the A's because I started rooting for them in 1987, although I can't believe how much 1994-1998 put me in a permanent "I just want to finish about .500" state of mind.
- I still can't believe Brent Gates/Ben Grieve/Bobby Crosby haven't panned out the way we though.
by FreeSanJose on Sep 21, 2006 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Careful what you "guarantee"
by MychaelUrban on Sep 21, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice response and good to see.
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually glad to hear that
by FreeSanJose on Sep 21, 2006 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I "guarantee" that the source
by DavidA on Sep 21, 2006 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Brandon Buckley.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Sep 21, 2006 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one...
Or, maybe he was just as fascinated with the thread as the rest of AN. It is a great thread!
Or, maybe he just does daily searches for his name on AN. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 22, 2006 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you wrote that article
by jeepers on Sep 22, 2006 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular Opinions
- The Red Sox are far and away my favorite team in the AL East.
- I have no strong feelings -- positive or negative -- about the S.F. Giants.
- Steve Physioc and Rex Hudler are the finest broadcast team in baseball, nay, in all sport's broadcasting history.
- The green tops are teh suck, as are most colored tops in baseball. Give me white at home, grey on the road any day!
- Although I've gone back and forth on this one over the years, I sometimes think there's a good case to be made that baseball is better without the DH (though with Frank around this year, that case seems substantially weaker...)
- The wildcard stinks. Teams should have to win a division to make the playoffs. Though I was perfectly happy with two divisions per league and one round of playoffs, I'd prefer four divisions per league and no wild card to the system we have now.
- While we're on the subject of playoffs, teams should not be eliminated on the basis of five-game series. Give me seven games in each round (however many rounds there are....see #6).
- Interleague play is terrible for baseball.
- Okay, I don't really believe #3. At all.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Sep 21, 2006 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heee!!!
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
likes, dislikes, don't-cares
- Tim McCarver
- Krukow & Kuiper (especially Krukow)
- the Giants
- Barry Bonds
- A-Rod
- Spying-on-American-citizens-without-warrants-phone-company Park (though the eponym is definitely on the dislikes list)
- Vince Cotroneo
- Ray Fosse
- Marco Scutaro
- Mark Kotsay
- Nick Swisher
- On-field fights and beanball wars
- Rich Harden
- Jason Kendall
- Performance-enhancing drugs
- The DH/no-DH question
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, and ...
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you like on our team?
by SportySpice on Sep 21, 2006 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DUKE!!!
I'm a big Chavez booster.
I've pretty much given up on Crosby's bat, but I still love his D.
FRANK!!! of course.
KLOWN POWER!!!
Calero. (I actually think he's the hottest guy on the team.)
DJ, even though I'm coming around to the AAAA-hitter conclusion.
Ellis. Most all-round fundamentally sound player on the team.
And Zito has been and remains my favoritest A of the Beane Era.
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
- I think Duchscherer should have a chance to convert back to a starter.
- I like Dan Johnson.
- I don't trust Lew Wolff.
- I like the Coliseum and I think it's not as bad as everyone says it is.
- Bobby Crosby will someday be used in the same sentence as 'Van Poppel' and 'Grieve'.
- I don't care about VORP, except when it's useful for making a joke.
- During interleague, I enjoy pissing off Giants fans just as much as I enjoy the games.
- I'd rather have Ramon back than Kendall.
- Whatever Mulder says doesn't matter to me, I still miss the hell outta the guy. And I miss the heck outta Huddy. Someday, I want him to be our closer.
- Harden should be shut down for the season.
- I think we're gonna miss Zito a lot next season.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Sep 21, 2006 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ken Macha...
by BleacherDave on Sep 21, 2006 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular Opinions
by dn9480 on Sep 21, 2006 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot One
by dn9480 on Sep 21, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great topic
Anyway, to get people fired up again, here's my two really unpopular opinions:
- I like Mike Scioscia, and I think he's a good manager, too.
- Nine times out of ten, I'd rather watch the game on TV than at the stadium.
- I like Joe Morgan. Yes, he's clueless on some analytical details, but I don't care. For a TV announcer, he's fun to listen to. (But his partner is even better.)
- I too prefer KenKo to Bill King (though I liked King, too).
- I always root for the AL West team in the playoffs, which means I was rooting for the Angels the past two years.
- I don't like Jason Kendall. I think he's a good, smart player, but that whole old-school tough-guy thing is a big turn-off for me.
- I think the A's should have brought up Hiram Bocachica mid-season (as soon as he was healthy) and given him plenty of starts.
by iglew on Sep 21, 2006 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I cannot handle your opinions...
by gdub171 on Sep 21, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall
A.J. Pierzynski is probably better than Melhuse, too. I dislike him even more.
by iglew on Sep 21, 2006 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
by gdub171 on Sep 21, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal unpopular opinion
by walk off bunt on Sep 21, 2006 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Sweeney??!!
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
There. I said it.
They put fans in seats, they sell TV subscriptions, they sell merchandise, they have created a brand and reaped the reward. As long as MLB will let them, I think they should pay to win. They have great fans and deserve it.
While we are at it, I am fine with A-rod's contract.
I am fine with players leaving to make as much money as possible.
I do not expect home town discounts.
I think teams should be run as businesses, and not charities. I think players should view themselves as commodities and not whine when they are relegated to the bench when they grow old. It was a game. Now, its a business. A huge business.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Sep 21, 2006 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
What I am NOT ok with is players standing in front of their lockers all year, while insisting they want to stay with their current team -- all the while knowing damn well they'll leave and play for the highest bidder.
If you're gonna go where the $$ are, then fine, but be man enough to say that from the get-go.
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disklike the 'unwritten rules' of baseball.
Why shouldn't you pad your stats if the other team can't get it's act together?
Why not bunt to beat out a no-hitter?
Why not bust a double into a triple in a blow-out ninth?
Don't talk to me about 'poor sportsmanship' - the game isn't over until it's over (as the Dodgers showed a few nights ago), so it should be played full bore until that 54th out is registered.
Oh, and I would have walked the Little League stud to get to the cancer kid too. It's baseball - play the game, or stay at home.
by Ozzz on Sep 21, 2006 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you just described
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever I see Bob Brenly on WGN...
So, yeah, I agree on point No. 3...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have walked the kid too.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have struck the kid out.
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have walked the one kid
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me...
- I love Marco Scutaro (everyone here seems to hate on him). I know he's not Miguel Tejada, but he's a guy other teams would love to have on the bench. While I recognize he is not the optimal everyday shortstop... he's not absolutely horrible.
- I'm growing tired of Crosby (not related to my first point). Let's give him one more year and then start shopping for a shortstop that will play more than 50 games.
- I think George Steinbrenner is a good owner. He does his job, putting money into the team first, and his pocket second.
- I kind of like AT&T Park.
- I have an eery feeling Duke is gone next year.
- I hate the DH, and I love watching "NL baseball."
*Magic #: JOHN JAHA!*
by JLaff on Sep 21, 2006 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zito should NOT get the Game 1 ALDS Start
by calvin on Sep 21, 2006 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this one
by Kelly on Sep 21, 2006 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want controversy? Here it comes
- The best pitcher the A's have lost in the last few years is AARON HARANG
- I don't want Miguel Tejada back. I think he was blatantly on steroids and his performance, if not already, will really show it next year.
- Mark Ellis is not starting calibur for a competitive team like ours UNLESS we have the power from the corner infielders to compensate, which we DO NOT. Drop Ellis this offseason.
- I think DUI Steve was worth the $21MM
- When Macha was searching for a job this offseason, I wanted Larry Bowa to become the new manager SO BADLY
- The A's will not stay in Oakland
- I think Rickey Henderson would have been a better starting CF for us this year than Mr. Kotsay
- I don't hate teams. I hate fans of teams, and individual players. With that said, I hate the fans of the Yankees, Red Sox and Angels. And the Dodgers. I hate Derek Lowe, AJ Pierzynski.
- I worked for the dodgers. meh.
- The bleachers suck without the drummers. I'm glad you guys are back.
- It's fun to heckle Ruben Sierra, and while I don't condone the throwing of cell phone batteries, that was pretty funny.
by noava22 on Sep 21, 2006 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't me
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My unpopular opinions...
- I miss Byrnes. He has his flaws, but he is one of the most exciting all around players in baseball. I think the A's are missing some of his spark this year.
- Kendall is way overrated, but Melhuse just plain stinks.
4)In the offseason, I think the A's should trade Zito.
5)Ditto for Bobby Crosby.
by joshers on Sep 21, 2006 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha....If only they could deal Zito
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and...
Am I the only one that feels like he's cheating fate right now?
by dn9480 on Sep 21, 2006 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents:
- I trust Lew.
- LAAAAAAA will vastly improve their offense making them the team to beat for years to come.
- Relocating to San Jose will make business sense in the long run - even if we have to pay through the nose for the rights.
- We should lock up the Duke, and trade Street for a couple of stud prospects (ie starters!)
by SoCal Rebel on Sep 21, 2006 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#4 ain't so unpopular ...
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well....
- Get Rev Halofan away from Nowhere Heaven and he's fairly well-mannered. He can even have generous comments when he is not channeling his inner David Duke.
- Zito's departure will hurt the A's more than Muldur or Hudson -- neither of whom was getting more reliable as they aged -- does anyone really think they would have been different if they'd stayed? We need starters who start and start and start.
- Billy's biggest challenge in the off-season is to revamp the A's fitness program so the players are fit, stay fit, and don't snap easily.
- The only productive reason to bunt and/or steal is when a run will make all the difference, regardless of the cost. The only other times players should do it is to stay in practice. Never give away an out that could matter to the outcome of the game.
- If Ellis and Crosby can't stay healthy, they have to go. Key position players who are young have to be playing their positions most if not all of the time. Days off are for old guys, like the BH.
- I'd like to see the Duke be given a chance as starter, or as closer.
- Using Street strictly in the 9th is a waste of a great talent. How about turning him into a stopper, rather than a closer. The most important guy in the BP is the guy you call on to come in in middle innings when the game is on the line, the tying, winning run is on base, and he has no leeway to make mistakes or take a few pitches to get into his rhythm. Its time for the As to redefine what is key in relief pitching.
- Be thankful you don't sit in the skyboxes -- its sterile, removed from the action, and the food is the absolute worst.
- After we clinch this weekend, let's bring Rickey back for a one-week final fling.
by dingerpower on Sep 21, 2006 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ #1.
The guy is a strange one. I don't get into any Halo Bashing when I have posted there so I don't understand the move. I am curious as to why but whatever.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 2nd time today...
He tore up a shoulder badly 2.5 years ago on a freak play, and the fact that he was able to get back to 100% says a hell of a lot about his strength, not fragility. Last year he was completely healthy. This year he broke a thumb while sliding into 2nd, and missed one month while it healed.
Where are the health concerns?
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I take it back...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you mean GAMBLER POISONING?
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Poppy meant food poisoning
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it was probably GINTER POISONING
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got nothing to top that
by grover on Sep 21, 2006 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, mine...
- I don't think the A's will miss Zito that much
- I think Duchscherer would make a successful and valuable member of the rotation
- I don't care that much whether the A's win the World Series as long as they are contenders every year
- I don't think oaktoon's presence or absence warrants all the meta-discussion about it
by Nico on Sep 21, 2006 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Methinks the blogger doth protest too much
by jeepers on Sep 21, 2006 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting...
but what's really funny is vacafan's reaction.
earlier in this thread, when grover mentioned giambi, i pasted the link to the original giambi discussion.
almost reggie, from that diary:
"I have decided...
To support everything Ohad and Nico say and disagree with everything Oaktoon and VacaFan have to say."
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/5/12/8268/27006/36#36
by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2006 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhat unpopular
- I prefer smallball and NL baseball. But I follow the A's too closely to watch NL baseball at all.
- I want the Giants to do well (but not at the A's expense).
- I don't trust Zito.
- Part of me feels like baseball before Jackie Robinson doesn't count. All baseball before the split-finger should have an asterisk by it.
- I don't care what the A's did in Philadelphia or KC.
- TV is the best way to actually watch the baseball in a baseball game. Watching live is good for sheer energy and joy and bonding with other fans, but you miss 95% of the game without a closeup of the strike zone and instant replay.
- I would probably dislike a significant number of the A's if I knew them personally. I try to compartmentalize that away from affecting my fanhood.
by Apricot on Sep 21, 2006 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: #7
by McFood on Sep 21, 2006 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
H8R!
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first, I actually did read #7 as...
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
posters named after plant life
Wait a second... DOH!
by Apricot on Sep 21, 2006 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
by peanut gallery on Sep 21, 2006 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
- It didn't bother me one bit when Macha pinch hit for Dye.
- I like the tarps.
by batgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with those who
I like the Giants.
and I like the Mariners.
Oh and I still hate the tarps.
and I don't think that Mark Kotsay is a dependable enough player(health-wise) to give so much praise to.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill King
That's right. My opinion is righter than your opinion. And that's final.
by Dog Days on Sep 21, 2006 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm with you dogdays
disclaimer: I do realize a thread entitled "unpopular opinions" does invite us all to tiptoe on a fine line between unpopular and offensive. Still, just say you didn't like him and leave it at that.
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK I'll bite
- I didn't think the QOTM winner for August was funnier than the others in contention.
- I don't really care for the Billy Beane interviews because the questions aren't probing enough and he doesn't really answer them anyway.
- I like Jason Kendall.
- Zito should have been traded after his Cy Young year.
- I think the motto "In Billy We Trust" is a little creepy.
- ANtics is less funny when we're winning; there's so much less to poke fun at.
by LD on Sep 21, 2006 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can all think of better Qs
by Apricot on Sep 21, 2006 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add some more to my list
- "QOTM"-- Why isn't it QOTMN? QOTM gets slung around way too freely... or I just don't have a sense of humor.
- Totally agree about "In Billy We Trust"
- I don't listen to the audio interviews. At all. Just a thing I have. Is it possible to have a phobia of audio interviews? I tried, really. I just physically couldn't do it.
- The thread about Loaiza's DUI bothered me more than the DUI.
by Jennifer on Sep 21, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine. Mine.
- I really dislike Ken Macha as a manager, yet I think I'd love him in real life. He's funny, and seems like a really good guy.
- Every time Rich Harden takes the mound, I feel like it's a dream. I think he's that good.
- I love Mark Teixeira.
- I feel incredibly sorry for A-rod.
- I can't stand Chad Gaudin pitching. Give me Saarloos any day.
- I'm not one bit sorry we traded for Milton Bradley. I love him, and think he was more than worth it.
- I want our second round to be against the Yankees, because I feel we owe them one.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel incredibly sorry for A-rod?
Alex Rodriguez could have played anywhere and chose 3b for the Yanks for $27 million per.
Have your maternal instincts overridden your typically flawless logic and observations?
The details:
10 years/$252M (2001-10)$242M in annual salaries
$10M signing bonus (paid $2M/year, 2001-05)
Salaries: 01-04:$21M/year, 05-06:$25M/year, 07-10:$27M/year. May opt out after 2007 unless he gets an $8M/year raise or $1M more than MLB's highest-paid player
no-trade clause
$0.1M All Star incentive
MVP bonus $0.5M for 2003 AL MVP award
$1M for 2005 AL MVP award
4 years/$10.7M (1997-2000)
3 years/$1.3M (1994-96)
agent: Scott Boras
ML service: 11.011
PS
Does Teixeira save his best games for the A's?
by A s Eh on Sep 22, 2006 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of my political opinions, for sure
Baseball is a business and should be looked at as such...even before viewing it (the game) as a fan.
There's more, for sure, but isn't that provocative enough for one entry.
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 21, 2006 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never liked Penn State either
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was "Panteraism"
by DavidA on Sep 21, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
however, I do like "Sal'spantsism"
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was never a big fan of pater familiasism.
by DavidA on Sep 21, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State
by LoveDemAs on Sep 21, 2006 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine
I believe in VORP more than grit. BB is a hell of a GM.
Kotsay is quite overrated, as is Zito.
The Royals are going to be real good within five years. The Marlins too.
by Roscoe Parrish on Sep 21, 2006 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Kotsay value
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the black tops were popular...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins are good now...
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 21, 2006 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this order
- I love the tarps
- I have no problem with the Pope's comments
- I think Nico is a good looking guy
- I prefer crazy George over Stomper
- Field of Dreams is the most overrated sports movie.
by SoCal Rebel on Sep 21, 2006 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mine
- I don't like singing Take Me Out to the Ballgame.
- Love the Tarps
- Never liked the West Wing TV show.
- I don't like criticizing our players.
- I drink cheap wine that comes in a box, and I like it.
by SportySpice on Sep 21, 2006 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One more from me...
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Nebraska ...
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was there
I'd liken it to this: I liked getting gas for under $1.50 all the time. It was nice. When gas prices rose, I didn't like it, but I didn't act like I had some kind of right to pay what I wanted to for it. If a business decides to charge more for something, regardless of the reason, that's their perogative. I can choose to vote with my wallet and ride a bike or motorcycle, just as I could choose to watch more games on TV instead of going to the park.
And... that's enough pseudo-politics for now. And yes, I realize my analogy isn't perfect, and there are more factors than I acknowledge.
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can respect that the A's
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that they did.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go...
- My favorite pitcher from the 2003 playoff team was Ted Lilly.
- I still like Tejada as much as or more than any current A's player. (It helps that I'm also an Orioles fan.)
- When the A's are playing the O's, I'm torn as to who I want to win.
- I would rather have the A's get swept in the first round of the playoffs than lose in Game 5 again.
- I think our playoff teams of 2000-2001 were tainted because Giambi was on steroids.
- I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many of our current players (as well as most MLB players) are also on steroids.
- I moved to the Bay Area in 1998, and don't really identify at all with A's players from previous years.
- Sometimes a midseason baseball game is kind of... boring.
by orange2299 on Sep 21, 2006 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of mine, I guess...
- There's no such thing as "new thread mojo."
- There's no such thing as jinxes.
- The nicknames "Cupcakes" for Joe Blanton and "Bunnies" for Bobby Crosby are lame.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed on #3.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 21, 2006 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opinions are like rectums. . everyone has one . .
- I like AJ Pierzynski . . .except when he is playing in a game against us.
- I miss Byrnes and will miss Zito
- I hope Joe Girardi (managing the Marlins now) comes to Oakland next year as manager.
by 0R0H0E on Sep 21, 2006 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You. Win.
Judges?
(#3 is really intriguing, though.)
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neck and neck: pro-AJ and anti-Bill King
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ surpasses even AN's Most Wanted
Hypothetically, it'd be a close battle between him and Adolf Hitler Jr. at 2B for most hated MLB player.
by gdub171 on Sep 21, 2006 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
- Anti-Billie King
- Pro AJ
by SoCal Rebel on Sep 21, 2006 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#3: my ungodly Krukow-love
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2006 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Krukow too ...
by angus hanger on Sep 22, 2006 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..interesting...
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2006 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. 245 comments.
It looks like a lot of us aren't as alone as we thought we were.
by TurnTwo on Sep 21, 2006 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And they say irony is dead
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 21, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this diary is stupid.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Sep 21, 2006 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True Romance...
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 21, 2006 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Oh, and Quentin Tarantino is overrated.
by LD on Sep 22, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My unpopular opinions...
- I think Billy Beane had a tendency to write bad contracts for people that he evaluated highly, many times at higher than the market value others would have paid (i.e: Jermaine after the injury, that made no sense. Scott Hatteberg.)
- I think the basic statistical analysis doesn't properly account for the difference and relative value of the same performance against different competition.
- I hate the way Macha doesn't keep his bench fresh, I think he should take a lesson from Dusty on this. (on the other hand, I usually like the way he uses pitchers.
- I wish Graham Koonce had gotten a decent shot.
- I didn't like the trade for Bobby Kielty, I would have rather kept Ted Lilly
- Why didn't we keep Aaron Harang?
- Steals are better than we think, especially in close games (against good pitching staffs)
- I resent the weak back of the roster for the last several years (its better this year)
- I hated the Eric Karros signing
- I thought Art Howe ruined TLong by honoring his consecutive games streak.
- The Mark Redman signing.
by connie mack on Sep 21, 2006 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular Opinions, Mostly
- I think Jon Miller sucks on the radio. For example, on MOST pitches he describes not what happens but rather pitch selection. "Here's the pitch ... CURVE BALL!" And he is too critical of the Giants. It's not as if he ever faced 95 mph pitching. He always gets on the Giants for swinging at bad pitches. Hey, John, it ain't that easy! The Giants aren't a very good club, but they aren't really bad, either. In fact, their starting pitching 1 through 5 is pretty damn good.
- I don't like our new announcer either, and he isn't getting better. I went to the bathroom at the game last night when it was tight and Vince said, with sad intonation, "A swiiiing and a ..." So I concluded "strike out." Damn! The A's were really struggling last night and every out counted ... "... a fool tip" Vince then said, in a happy tone. Oh, good, I thought, he's still alive. Nope: "Held onto by Martinez..." For crying out loud. There's no way to know on any real time basis what's happening. When he does play by play you have to listen carefully to the crowd to know whether something good or bad is happening.
- I love the Coliseum, but the new negative for me there is the incessant highlights of prior games at nightclub volume. Shut up, already. I didn't come to the game to stare at a blaring TV set. Same with dot racing, same with the hidden ice cream under the hat. Just shut up so I can enjoy the ambience and maybe even have a conversation with the person sitting next to me.
- Zito is a good pitcher, but not by much. He seldom pitches well against teams that can hit. He'll go to San Diego to protect his ERA, but if he played half his games in Fenway his ERA would be over 5. Also with Zito: is he the only guy who doesn't realize that "wasting" a pitch with an 0-2 count means you're supposed to get within 6 inches of the plate so the batter at least things of swinging? How many Zito 0-2 counts end up full?
- Mark Ellis is the A's best everyday player. Hands down.
- Robert Buan (or however you spell it) is just awful. You simply can't listen to the guy for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache.
- Duke right now ... With the A's up by 1 run in the 8th inning of a post-season game, how many want to see Street get the ball in the 8th versus having Duke try to get 6 outs? Not me. Duke just looks so much better out there.
- I know his numbers are awful, but I still miss Huddy. And I don't miss Miggy ... as bad as Chavvy is in the clutch, Miggy was no better. Yeah, I know he won those big games in August ... but he sure as heck didn't win any in October.
- Loved the grand slam, but Kielty's red hair doesn't excite me. Does everybody have to go crazy every time he gets a big hit? It's like he's never supposed to get a big hit with his skills, right?
- Hardly an unpopular opinion, but ... Roy Steele is awesome, and that woman they've got in San Francisco is the worst public address announcer I've ever heard ... with the possible exception of the awful woman she replaced.
- If you're betting at the game with a buddy, always pick the white dot.
by solotar on Sep 21, 2006 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How could you forget...
by LoveDemAs on Sep 21, 2006 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than the dreadful:
(reframed to: PASS PASS PASS THE MF*N SHOTGUN!)
by tankerraid on Sep 22, 2006 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well
- I like every A's uniform except for the road grays, which look like pajamas to me.
- I dont care if the A's move, as long as they stay in the Bay Area
- I like Fosse. King, Korach and Fosse calling a game together will forever represent to me the epitome of great radio.
- I don't mind bias in reporters/columnists as long as they own up to it. Bill Simmons would be a great example.
- Mike Krukow is the devil. I'm convinced his sole purpose in life is to continually try to say something that is such an incredible combination of stupid and annoying, it causes my head to explode.
- I have no opinion on steriods in baseball. I. Don't. Care. At all. Can we stop talking about them already?
by RickeySteals on Sep 21, 2006 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My turn....
- Not signing Rickey Henderson to "at least" a one day contract was a total injustice. He's an "A's" HOF'er and should have been treated better. We could have used him at the end of last year.....believe it!
- The huddy trade. This one still haunts me.
- Letting Rick Peterson go.
- I second the Harang mention.
- I dislike our uni's especially the whites...The retro's are better.
- Stomper....he needs to be more menacing
- That banjo guy. When he dies, we need to have a green and gold banjo picture a la the retired numbers on the outfield walls. I remember that guy from the early 80's
- I love the submarine pitchers......
by Masaryk on Sep 21, 2006 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GOOD ONE
A's marketing needs a little work, IMO.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss oaktoon
by kvn on Sep 21, 2006 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He self banned himself by requesting Blez to...
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 21, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you hear?
by Ryan Armbrust on Sep 21, 2006 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my list
- Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time, and I don't give a tin shit that he took steriods and lied about it.
- Batting order doesn't matter.
- Michael Urban only wrote a slanderous article about Milton Bradley because Bradley doesn't play nice for the media, and I lost all respect for Urban when he did it.
- The Red Sox, Angels, and Yankees sell more tickets than the A's. We have a lower payroll because we have a smaller fan base. Deal with it.
by prospero on Sep 21, 2006 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nathaniel
My unpopular opinion is that Urban's column, while I thought it was poorly written because he was so vague about the source(s) of his information, was based on an honest opinion that probably accurately reflected the thoughts of several individuals in the A's clubhouse at the time (just after the ASB, I believe).
Milton has an occasional bad moment (there's a whole diary about something that happened a couple nights ago), and I think the doubts about him in mid-July were legitimate, but I also think his relationship with his teammates and his deportment with umpires has been outstanding over the last couple of months. I doubt that Urban would write the same column today.
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on #2--
And I agree on #3. Though I've had problems with him since before that article. Listening to him on KNBR... He sounds like a tool.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Sep 21, 2006 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of mine....
- I like Fosse's game commentary, but I hate his interviews.
- Robert Buan's vocal stylings are annoying, especially when he's milking a "comic bit" from callers who want no part of it.
- I think the "Chokeland" moniker is well-earned and was once pretty funny.
- I enjoy Bruno and Radnich on KNBR at 10am.
- I'm embarrassed by the football markings on our field during this time of year.
by calvin on Sep 21, 2006 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your Comment About Fosse Was Spot On
Uh, it's great, Foss.
by solotar on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"big market teams deserve more $"
The reason it's not fair is that the MLB controls entry into the market. Let's see the Yankees (and Mets!) earn their money against a third or fourth NY team. Let's see Boston earn their New England bucks against a local team.
If a market is that much bigger, we should allow more teams in that region. That alone would eventually even the playing field. In fact, I personally would welcome a reorg of baseball into a Premier League (AL and NL) and relegation of two teams a year down to AAA. The way things are now are just unfair. But the MLB will never do it because it's all about the guaranteed bucks in a controlled market where the owners can split the proceeds. Americans are so used to this kind of imbalance that we just take it and the fan base slowly dwindles. Kind of the way we tolerate the pathetic choices at election day. </rant>
by Apricot on Sep 21, 2006 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
by calvin on Sep 21, 2006 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely valid point
Even if you look at revenue/(market size), I don't think the A's are doing that well.
by prospero on Sep 21, 2006 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good...
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis
Somewhat controversial to make some racial implications about fandom, I guess, but hey, it's the unpopular opinions thread...and I think this is more of a potentially unpopular fact.
by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
by peanut gallery on Sep 22, 2006 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah ok
by Cutthemullet on Sep 23, 2006 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
St. Louis is a weird case because historically it had a long stretch of time when it was THE team in the west, so they drew a lot of fans from a huge region. I don't think a new StL team could gain such devoted fans.
by Apricot on Sep 22, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
English / European soccer
Furthermore, it is VERY difficult to move a team in European soccer, unlike in American sports, which means teams can't hold their cities hostage.
Things in baseball may well be "unfair"; but the European soccer system is even more "unfair". European soccer is run on a complete free market system. No drafts. No "service time". No arbitration. No luxury tax. No trades. If a team wants to acquire a player, it buys out his contract, then negotiates a new one with him. In the English Premier League, a team like the A's ultimate goal would be to finish 4th, qualifying for the European Champions League, which is a huge moneyspinner. Only the biggest, richest teams like Chelsea, Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal can realistically target the title.
As for introducing new teams into the big markets, this is going to get me flamed, but what makes you think the new Boston team will not receive even less support than the A's relative to the Giants? If you introduce new teams at the same time as a promotion / relegation system, there is a very strong chance that the new teams would be relegated.
What makes you think that another New York team would steal a significant / noticeable amount of fans from the Yankees? I'm also a Mets fan, besides being one of the A's; and I certainly have never liked the Yankees.
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
You make a convincing case that European football is not an ideal to aspire to, particularly due to their lack of market controls. I am not against the draft, free agency, etc, at all... you'll have to talk to LoeCountryJoe. But the relegation system does not sound like a major contributing factor to the inequities.
You are right that expansion teams would certainly be relegated very quickly, so you would have to give them some window of time to be exempt from that.
A new New England team would surely NOT be a popular as the Red Sox, but I believe it WOULD drain their fan base in the medium term. I haven't conducted market research, but I recall from the A's New Ballpark blog, they did a great study of market sizes, and basically, the market does get divided up as you'd expect when there are multiple teams compared to a single team (and the punchline was that the SF area was the smallest two-team market). Usually one team does better, but the other team can do well if there's enough pie to divide. I can't prove putting a third team will divide the market, but I think the experience in other markets is that it often does. (cf. Aussie Rules Football, where there are more teams in the city of Melbourne than in the whole rest of the country combined)
By the way, growing up in NY, I preferred the Mets to the Yanks (although it was bittersweet that it took a bunch of brilliant cokeheads to win the WS in the 80s) too.
by Apricot on Sep 22, 2006 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was afraid of getting
I'm apologise in advance for the long post that follows.
The thing with the relegation system is that smaller / poorer teams are usually the ones that are perenenially involved in relegation dogfights. It isn't just that they will get relegated that is the problem; that they MIGHT get relegated is actually bigger. A "small" team in the English Premier League, like say Sheffield United, who were just promoted, who are last now, and who actually have a decent fanbase, cannot pull a "Marlins". The difference in revenue for a Premier League and Championship(the level below the Premier League) team is HUGE. Thus a small team has to spend some money on possibly mediocre ageing proven veterans. While this is slightly hyperbolic, for small teams, the goal at the start of the season is to finish 4th from bottom (last 3 are relegated); anything else is a bonus.
Furthermore, teams build their own stadiums with their own money. Arsenal, one the biggest, most succesful, most respected and most admired teams in the Premier League, have just taken on a huge amount of debt for their gorgeous new stadium. I don't believe any American city is going to like building a team a new stadium, and then seeing the team relegated.
Don't get me wrong there are actually very many things about the European football system that I like, I just believe that most American sports fans, owners, will not share my liking.
I agree that over the long term, more teams in the big markets would help, leaving aside that I like choice, I just believe that it's not a panacea.
Having had to deal with Kazmir for Zambrano, Mo Vaughn, Roberto Alomar changing from a 1st ballot HOFamer to a replacement player overnight, nothing that the Mets do can really dissappoint me anymore.
by rfloh on Sep 22, 2006 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
opinions, mostly unpopular
- Bill King was overrated, but Lon Simmons was just plain awful. Monte Moore was a homer, but was more enjoyable to listen to.
- The A's were remiss in allowing a certain well-known employee to drink on the job. (If I say any more, this opinion will be TOO unpopular).
- Zito will be ineffective in two years time and never be an good starter again.
- Billy Beane's arrogance will become a problem for the A's, and isn't warranted because he basically just took over Sandy Alderson's system.
- The A's lack of fan base stems from perceptions of Oakland more than the Giants' seniority, and the team can only catch up to the Giants in support if it moves to the San Jose area.
by vk on Sep 21, 2006 8:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my unpopular take on #5
The A's small fan base is 99% due to years of neglect by Schott and Hoffman, and intentional undermarketing by Wolffisher.
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine:
- I really hate all the praise and criticsim that people get for write-ups after the game. Giving kudos is different than stroking egos. Perhaps I don't treat sports-related writings with the scrutiny that others do.
- I dislike wave-hating.
- Somewhat related to #2, I don't like that people treat baseball as more than what it really is: a diversion, a game, and a form of entertainment. Just because I can't calculate VIBABORPORPS or even comprehend what it has to do with anything... I won't finish that sentence.
- People that mitch and boan about how crappy other fans are-- well, say what you will. But don't be telling me what the definition of a true fan is.
by JediLeroy on Sep 21, 2006 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree!
#1 and #3 I totally agree with.
by tankerraid on Sep 22, 2006 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The VIBABORPORPS
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that the VIBABORPOOPS ?
by green star oakland on Sep 22, 2006 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a cousin in law who played the keytar
by JediLeroy on Sep 22, 2006 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My turn
- Zito is not overrated. His durability and consistency are incredibly valuable. Any team that gets him will be helped a great deal. Can't believe the Zito animus on this thread.
- I sometimes look up the words I use here.
- I root for players on other teams to be injured. Not actively and aggresively, but I wasn't upset that Liriano went down prior to the playoffs.
- I had a lot of sympathy for oaktoon in his AN death throes. I heard a sadly honest and human desire to just be understood in some of those final posts.
- I wish A's fans were more like Raider fans when we play the Red Sox. I actively taunt, mock, and verbally assault them, but often feel alone doing it.
- I always want the Yankees to crush the Red Sox.
- Anybody who is anti-DH is a moron. National League baseball is awful because of the lack of any tension once you get to the bottom of the order. In AL baseball there is always a genuine fear that the other team might score.
- AN's front page writers are too tepid: Don't start Harden; don't jinx our chances by saying the division is won; don't rip the team. (That said, I'm a huge fan of AN's front page writers.)
- Bitter fans in game threads are okay, even welcome. Go ahead and get pissed. It's cathartic--for you and me.
- The East Bay doesn't deserve the A's. Move closer to me in San Jose. How do you people not buy more tickets for a team that is so good, so likeable, and so entertaining over the last eight years? I have never understood it.
Ralph Barbieri is a complete asshole.
From the talk about his kid, to the shilling for Amici's, to the unnecessary pretentiousness of "myriad" and "cognizant," to the intellectual dishonesty about the A's and Raiders, to the faux-Buddhism, to the inane reality-show banter, to the sycophantic treatment of Bonds and all things Giants, to the mind-blowingly self-centered interview style--just a total dick.
by RLangford on Sep 21, 2006 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NL
Where was I going with this? Oh, I don't like the DH because (yes, even though our own amazing DH has carried the offense on his enormous back)... it doesn't feel right. You can't have a designated runner or designated fielder (although I guess the pitcher becomes one of sorts).
Put the DH in both leagues, or bat the pitcher in both leagues. I don't like the difference.
*Magic #: MIGGY!*
by JLaff on Sep 21, 2006 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J. Giambi
by froggiethegremlin on Sep 22, 2006 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
You know, I still don't think anyone can tell for sure -- every replay I've ever seen, you can't tell if Posada tags Giambi's calf before he hits the plate or not. People get all excited because it was a great play by Jeter, so they "assume" Giambi was out -- I just don't think you can say for sure.
As far as Jeter is concerned, no, you can't consider it part of "World Series lore" since it wasn't in the WS, obviously. But a great example of being in the right place at the right time. I guess if anyone was gonna do that, Jeter would. Figures. :-)
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2006 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and...
- I like Robert Buan. I find him rather soothing after an A's loss.
- I love watching people mercilessly heckle the opposing bullpen. I don't care if chanting a guy's name for ten minutes is "childish", I find it amusing.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Sep 21, 2006 9:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The all-time best AN thread ever
I think if you're not old enough to remember baseball pre-DH, you're not entitled to an opinion of it -- it's been over 30 years, for cryin' out loud!
I think people who are "ok" with the A's leaving Oakland aren't as passionate about the team as the ones who want 'em to stay.
I think it's ok to boo when players don't do their jobs -- it's not ok to swear or get personal -- but booing is perfectly fine. Million dollar athletes shouldn't take it personally.
I think "true" A's fans should love Canseco, and be ambivalent towards McGwire. One guy always has nice things to say about Oakland, the other wears red.
I think that ex-A's who "move on" and then talk trash about the A's -- even joking -- are jerks, and deserve to get booed.
Dave Stewart was the greatest A's pitcher of all time.
I'm with you guys (some of you) -- when the Red Sox Nation attempts to take over the Coliseum, they should get heckled mercilessly. This is OUR YARD -- I guarantee you, they wouldn't let you get away with it in Boston -- been there!
I think we talk about "who's cute" and "who's hot" WAY too much on AN.
I think if you never sat in the bleachers at the Coliseum, you can't really call yourself a "true" fan.
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The "old" bleachers, that is.
by Vacafan on Sep 21, 2006 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleachers
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
To balance it out, is there anything people over a certain age shouldn't have an opinion on? :-P
*Magic #: MIGGY!*
by JLaff on Sep 21, 2006 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill King
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rarely heard BK
*Magic #: MIGGY!*
by JLaff on Sep 21, 2006 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JLaff...
I am totally unqualified to talk about the music that gets played when the players walk up to the plate, the players' tattoos...
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cynthia...
Even if I am not a big fan of his talent I am a big fan of him as a well-loved loyalist to the A's. God Bless him.
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IM4Oakgal...
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that was too abrupt...
by cynthia2003 on Sep 21, 2006 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discussion...
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2006 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with you
People my age shouldn't have an opinion about hip-hop bands, Abercrombie & Fitch or American Eagle clothes or whether Lindsay Lohan is hotter than Britney.
by vk on Sep 21, 2006 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments about...
by RLangford on Sep 21, 2006 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"ok" with the A's leaving Oakland
by Poppy on Sep 21, 2006 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Poppy fan
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 22, 2006 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nonononono...
I happen to be pro-Oakland, for reasons that are unknown even to me -- living in Redwood City, I'd have a shorter drive to Fremont, and better public transit options to San Jose, but I hope the A's can stay in Oakland. Dunno why. But I really really hope they'll at least stay in the Bay Area, and it bugs me when people seem to have an attitude of "Oakland ONLY." I would be okay with the A's playing anywhere in the Bay Area, even though Oakland is my first choice -- and I just don't think that means my "passion for the team" should be questioned when I've been to half the home games this season, when I make a 70-mile roundtrip on most weeknights to see them, despite having a family to neglect and a job I have to report to at 6:00 a.m. every morning.
That's all I meant... not that we're going to drive the team away our own little selves!
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
And I'd never question the passion of an A's fan, be they 81 gamer, NRAF, 3rd deck cheapskate, or Diamond Level cell phoner. We are all brothers and sisters under the green and gold sky.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 22, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
by ArakSOT on Sep 22, 2006 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I totally question the passion...
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puh-lease.
by Jennifer on Sep 22, 2006 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Cracker Jack
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2006 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
Are you aging to the point where you forgot that...5-year-olds can imagine a time long ago when there was no DH...a time as far removed as yesterday. In every single game played in the National League.
Granted, "no DH" is not the same as "pre-DH", in the strictest sense, but, um, everyone still can compare the two forms of the game and thus have an opinion on it.
by Cutthemullet on Sep 22, 2006 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since everyone else is doing it
- I think Huston Street would be better as a starter than a closer.
- I have never thought once this season that Mark Kotsay was worthy of a gold glove over Gary Matthews, Jr. Ellis and Chavy yes, but not Kotsay.
- As long as a new stadium is built a: north of Milpitas, b: south of Vacaville, and c: west of Stockton, i'm happy.
- No relation to the above: I'd rather see Mount Davis imploded and the Coliseum-and-surrounding-area cleaned up, than have a new stadium built.
- Jon Miller is the only positive of the San Francisco Giants.
- The A's need to sign Marco Scutaro to a long, long contract.
- I think Rich Harden would be better as a closer than a starter.
- I will not be voting for Ahnold or Phil Angelides in November. Instead, I will be writing in Wash for governor. ;)
- I still think E.Lo's arrest is a big effing deal.
- Dan Johnson should stay, but he is a bench player and no more.
- "Extra Innings" needs a better call screener. MUCH better.
- Robert Buan, while a pretty good host, is the biggest A's apologist out there. When a player/coach/KYCY sucks, call 'em out man!
- I will miss Z, not just because of his pitching, but because he has been the face of this team (for me) since he came up.
- Chuck Mangione's "Feels So Good" is on my iPod and has a 5 star rating.
- I do not like Vince Cotroneo.
- Steve Bitker is like Antonio Perez to me: With enough play-by-play time, I think he would be really good.
by Flyin As on Sep 21, 2006 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I hate Huston's closer music too.
by baseballgirl on Sep 21, 2006 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You Can Hate it Now
by Hit4TheCycle on Sep 22, 2006 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular items
- Unless the White Sox are playing the A's I like the Hawk and crew. The A's magic number is 4 put that on the board .. Yessssss!
- I love SF but have an intense dislike for the Giants, KNBR and their media shills
- I will always be grateful to the Angels for beating the Giants in the WS
- I think Ken Macha is ok as a manager.
- I did not like Art Howe as the manager.
- I liked Tony La Russa as the A's manager
by SalParadise on Sep 21, 2006 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Always grateful to the Angels
Oh, man, count me in on that one.
by RLangford on Sep 21, 2006 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so confused...
...Ah well...I'll worry about it when I'm sober.
by Nico on Sep 21, 2006 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misunderstandings
- I think kendall deserves the money he's getting.
- Baseball has too many teams.
- Our farm system sucks.
by doublehustle22 on Sep 21, 2006 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we go:
- We'll never be as cool as we were with Segui, Blue Moon Odom, and Vida Blue.
- Green and Gold are the only Springtime colors in baseball, and i think it's swell that we flaunt them.
- If Macha were really a bad manager, the team would be lousy and the clubhouse atmosphere would be too. A manager does more than make up the line up card, and the fact that players genuinely seem to enjoy playing for the A's, despite our meager fanbase and penny-pinching owners, speaks to his success.
- If Pierzinksi was an "A", we'd love him. He gets clutch hits. As is, he's a first class jerk, but don't think we wouldn't be loving him if he were our jerk. Kendall with a far better arm, power, and very clutch.
- Of the big 3, Mulder was far and away the best playoff pitcher. Zito hasn't been consistent since 2003, and he wouldn't be my number one coming into the playoffs.
- I think Ralph B. is far less of a loudmouth and more intelligent than his peers on talk show radio. He and Tom T. are very good in this genre. Come to Portland and listen to the guys we have here. Oy....
- After Frank, Mark Ellis will be the best field player on the A's two years from now.
- Chavy won't be everything I'd hoped, but he's gritty and part of the heart and soul of the team.
- You need speed to win games against great pitching staffs, which you're likely to run into in the playoffs.
- Sciosia did a brilliant job of coaching when the Angels won the series.
- There's no one I'd rather watch bat than Barry Bonds, except perhaps Pujols.
- If Pujols played in NY, they'd already have a candy bar named after him.
- I keep expecting Zito to say, "What the heck, I'll stay in Oakland for 1/2 price." And Tejada will come back.
- I'm thrilled for Jermaine Dye.
- I like Jeter. A lot. Mariano Rivera is a God.
- I get far more annoyed about other teams' fans than the teams themselves, except Roger Clemens. And Curt Schilling.
- I hate it when people boo their own players.
- I like Rick Berry.
- Joe Morgan was the best second baseman in the modern (post-Hornsby) era.
- I'd take Ramon for Kotsay any day.
- Duke over Street.
- I still can't believe Durazo didn't jack 40 homers.
by DiegoSegui on Sep 21, 2006 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My list
- I think Harden is an injury waiting to happen, and I'd trade him if he shows he's healthy next year. Get a good return and let someone else deal with the injuries.
- I don't DJ is major league player, and I wish we would have traded him last year instead of bringing him up.
- I don't think Crosby will ever reach his potential here, but he will once he's traded.
- I'd move Street in a heartbeat if we could add another big time bat.
- I liked the signing of Loaiza when it happened, and I like even more now.
- I'd rather have JayPay in CF next year instead of Kotsay.
- I don't care where the A's play, I'll root for them no matter what.
by gatling on Sep 21, 2006 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One more
by Flyin As on Sep 21, 2006 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Number 5 should get this place rockin' and rollin'
- I like the Giants
- I like Rev. Halofan, I think he is funny.
- I don't like Green and Gold. I look at some of the classics (Yankee or Dodger Blue come to mind) and yearn for something that won't make me look like a clown.
- And finally, to really stir the pot. I feel Chavez lost his edge when he found religion. I believe it was two years ago I solidified this thought while the A's were struggling and eventually falling to the Angels. He gave an interview to the media that really soured me. He talked about how all of this (the playoff race at the time) was out of our (the players) hands and they just had to live with what happened. It pissed me off. All I kept think was this guy has the biggest contract and is supposed to be the leader and it is out of his hands??
by afansnotes on Sep 22, 2006 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Afansnotes
by andeux on Sep 22, 2006 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've read "A Fan's Notes"
by RLangford on Sep 22, 2006 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiming in...
- I still like the Coliseum despite Mt. Davis. It's "home" to me and has been for more than 30 years.
- I don't see anything wrong with being a "homer" if you're a broadcaster with the A's.
- Lost is the biggest waste of time your life will ever know.
by Ice Cream on Sep 22, 2006 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my lucky 13
- Billy Beane worshippers are annoying. I do repect his eye for talent and all but the blind AN exceptance of his policy of letting stars go because of money is ridiculous. We spent the money on great players in the 80's and regularly had season attendance of over 3 million, made money, and won!
- Putting the dough up to keep Zito an Athletic is a smart business move and very realistic.
- Our starters in order for the playoffs and World Series should be:
- Loaiza
- Harden
- Zito
- Haren
- Blanton
- Give Thomas a four year deal now.
- In the off-season make a huge bid to get Chone Figgens.
- I like Marco Scutaro.
- Macha for Manager of the Year!!
- Bobby Kielty will come up huge in the playoffs.
- Mt. Davis is a tragedy.
- The wave is fun when opposing team is at bat.
- Wolf will undoubtedly keep the A's in Oakland.
- Bill King (along with Vin Scully) are the two greatest baseball announcers in modern day history.
- Chavez will be healthy next year and have his best offensive season.
by jdub69 on Sep 22, 2006 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A few more
What I liked about Bill King was his occasional use of obscure vocabulary or off-the-wall allusion. His basic play-by-play was fine, but it was those little moments that set him apart.
I would not love Pierzynski even if he were an A. (Ditto for Clemens or Schilling.) Yes, you root for the guys on the team, but it doesn't mean you like them. There are a few guys on the team currently whom I don't particularly like, and they are far less obnoxious than A.J. is.
I love the green tops. I even like the caps with yellow bills. I love the green and gold, not the white and gray. Wear it!
by iglew on Sep 22, 2006 12:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No. 14
by jdub69 on Sep 22, 2006 12:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A little late but...
- I dont miss Mulder.
- Gary Radnich is freakin' hilarious.
- Harden will be healthy all next year.
- Kendall is well worth the money.
- I really respect the Yankees, Red Sox and the Angels.
- I feel bad for A-Rod.
- I'm terrified of K-Rod.
- Next year, without Bonds, I will like the Giants.
- I'm worried that my kids will not like baseball.
by Daddo on Sep 22, 2006 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Gary Radnich
by tankerraid on Sep 22, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2. Radnich is...
His "schtick" grew tiresome 15 years ago...yet he's like a bad weed that just keeps growing back.
by Gerard on Sep 22, 2006 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radnich
- One trick pony
- Know-it-all who pretends to be regular guy.
- Has about three theories to explain everything he encounters in sports.
- Actually thinks his show is good.
- Insults any and all competitors while pretending to just be having fun with them.
- Thinks he's the only guy who gets it.
by RLangford on Sep 22, 2006 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I'm not the only one who detects...
by Gerard on Sep 25, 2006 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
response
ME NEITHER.
Gary Radnich is freakin' hilarious.
Umh...ok.
Harden will be healthy all next year.
THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC
Kendall is well worth the money.
AGREED
I really respect the Yankees, Red Sox and the Angels.
YOU'RE WAY OFF BASE HERE.
I feel bad for A-Rod.
SNIFFLES.
I'm terrified of K-Rod.
HE'S A MONSTER.
Next year, without Bonds, I will like the Giants.
NO A'S FAN WILL EVER LIKE THE GIANTS.
I'm worried that my kids will not like baseball.
BRING THEM TO A'S GAMES AND NATURE WILL TAKE IT'S COURSE.
by jdub69 on Sep 22, 2006 1:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you forgot
by rubin sierra on Sep 22, 2006 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Growing up in East Oakland..
- Bill King was the greatest. Period. I won't read anything else that says otherwise. ( he and Lon Simmons were my favorite team of all time)
- I don't know if I'll still cheer for the franchise if they leave Oakland, unless they moved to San Leandro or Alameda...
- I have always liked Bay Area teams, which means that if the A's aren't playing I want SF to win. I used to have the A's/Giants hat.
- I have nothing against Bonds...he isn't the most personable person, but damn he is a great ball player. Period.
- I like watching the Angels play, because it reminds me of Billy Ball (Martin) that is... I like hit and runs and stolen bases. Still want them to lose if it affects the A's playoff chances though.
- Yankees suck and the only way you should like the Yanks is if you're from there...your parents raised you on them, or your favorite all time player got traded there...even then when Rickey went to NY, I cheered for him, but still and always will hate the franchise.
- I won't miss Zito. He was my least favorite out of the Big 3. but can we get Huddy back?
- I thought Hudson was kiddin' when he said the best pitcher on the staff was Harden, but apparently he was right on.
10) Billy Martin is my favorite A's manager, with LaRussa a close 2nd.
by Erik being Erik on Sep 22, 2006 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think "clutch hitting" is a viable...
I was a competitive bowler for many years, having bowled two 300 games, and won two junior state titles.
Nothing is more pressure-packed then needing that last strike for a perfect game, or needing a strike in the 10th frame to win a tournament.
I've literally seen people pee their pants from the pressure. I only remember the last strike from my second 300 game. The first one, I was so nervous and shaking so hard, that I almost tripped over my own feet on that last shot.
It's human nature that some people handle pressure better then others. When I bowled as a team at Fresno State, I always wanted to be the guy on the approach throwing the last shot when the team needed a strike to win.
Not everyone has that same attitude or approach.
Those who look to pressure-packed situations with trepidation and fear will never perform as well as someone who relishes the challenge.
It becomes a confidence thing, and we've all seen the effects of confidence (or lack thereof) on a major league hitter's production within the balance of a season.
Chavvy's overall makeup for example, shows a person who does not like being in the spotlight, and doesn't really want to be "the man" in a pressure-packed situation. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it needs to be understood when a player consistently struggles in the pressure-cooker of a postseason.
by nodaclu on Sep 22, 2006 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can't resist commenting
Look at it this way: of course Jeter can handle game pressure better than ME or my mom. There are differences in how people deal with insane stress of different situations. HOWEVER, once you brutally weed out the 700 best players out of tens of millions of baseball players, it's not surprising that BETWEEN players in the cream of the cream of the cream of the crop that they might be pretty even in how well they handle pressure.
by Apricot on Sep 22, 2006 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not persuasive
A football example: Andrew Walter overthrowing a wide open in the end zone Randy Moss by 15 feet even though it's a pass Walter could throw 100 straight times and not miss. It involved nothing more than throwing the ball straight for 20 yards. So what happened? Walter, staring at his first touchdown pass, choked. And I'm not even criticizing him. It happens. And it's understandable. Even at the highest levels.
by RLangford on Sep 22, 2006 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"witness" vs measure
Simple proof would be any testimony about A-Rod and clutch before this year. I am actually convinced (by winexp measurements) that he is NOT CLUTCH this year, but that is a complete fluke. A stopped clock is right twice a day and all those people who claimed he's unclutch in the past have no credibility.
I don't know anything about Walter, but I remember John Elway was marked as a loser choker most of his life until his last two semesters when a great running game got him some championships. Suddenly the guy is clutch? The eye sees what it wants to.
by Apricot on Sep 22, 2006 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should make this into its own diary
by RLangford on Sep 22, 2006 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my unpopular opinions
- I love Mark McGwire. Always did. Always will. He made me fall in love with baseball.
- I don't care if players use steriods, HGH, or whatever they are injecting into themselves these days. I honestly don't care.
- I don't like Barry Zito. Period. He's too flaky and has too many of those 'oops, I gave up 8 runs today' kind of games. I think he smokes pot.
by bzn5150 on Sep 22, 2006 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
uh ...
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by Sharon on Sep 22, 2006 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of the '98 Winter Olympics
They didn't take away the medal.
by jeepers on Sep 22, 2006 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<snerk>
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can vouch for that
I guess I just know some dirty girls.
by Tony on Sep 22, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh! Speaking of dirty boys...
by Jennifer on Sep 22, 2006 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry...
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing better than a hit off the zinger
by Tony on Sep 22, 2006 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TurnTwo, a request
I still think the three leading candidates are:
- AJ love
- Bill King non-love
- Krukow love
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular opinions ...
- The best player on the A's is Mark Kotsay. When his back feels good, excels in all facets of the game.
- I still think Jason Kendall is terrible. (I'm starting to waiver on that, though.)
- Dan Haren is very hittable.
- Zito is no ace.
- Bobby Crosby is a stud. He may never become a great hitter, but he is a very good player. If his body can't handle SS, the A's should consider making him a CF after Kotsay leaves. Injury prone, no. Terribly unlucky, yes.
- Swisher, Johnson and Chavez all have the same long swing. They're all overmatched against good pitching.
by iceplant on Sep 22, 2006 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another one:
If my counting is correct... I'm indescribably pissed off that Loaiza is going to be the starter in Anaheim next Saturday.
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Dr. Feelgood (Tony)...
by McFood on Sep 22, 2006 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some other opinions ...
I like the Giants, too, and they'll be good next year if they spend the money (wisely) that they'll free up if the offseason.
Miggy took steroids. So did Mulder, Chavez Hudson and Harden. Lots of others, too. Look at pictures from two years ago (adult acne and swollen cheeks don't lie). Andruw Jones, Kyle Farnsworth, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood ... the list goes on.
Jose Canseco is smart and never lied. Say what you will about his motives, but the steroids "scandal" is not his fault and someone needed to blow the whistle.
The A's scouting's worst move in the last 8 years was not signing Dontrelle. How'd they let him get out of Oakland/Alameda?
by iceplant on Sep 22, 2006 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple more
I couldn't stand Ted Lilly, but kind of liked Cory Lidle.
by andeux on Sep 22, 2006 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My List
- Always Hated Canseco (but loved Big Mac)
- Storm Davis, worst pitcher EVER (Even worse than Rincon)
- Don't care where the A's end up as long as it's in Northern Ca or Las Vegas.
- Chavy is OVER-RATED
- Crosby will always be the weakest (and most prone to injury) link, literally
He was simply, the greatest baseball announcer ever, and I miss him every game.
by polytician on Sep 22, 2006 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More More More
Unpopular opinion? Not so much.
However, my reason might be. I LOVE OAKLAND. Being born and raised here gives me a great deal of civic pride. The local sports teams, A's, Raiders and even Warriors, are a wonderful part of my city's identity and it would not be the same without them.
by dn9480 on Sep 22, 2006 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's my turn now...
- I still like Mychael Urban. I thought that article about Bradley was overblown on AN.
- I like Eric Byrnes.
- I have given up on Crosby.
- I like the tarps.
- I also like Robert Buan.
- I think the A's should move to Sacramento. :-P
- I don't really care if the A's move, as long as they stay in NorCal.
- I don't like Mark Mulder anymore. He used to be my second favorite Big 3, but I can't stand that guy anymore.
- Kruk and Kuip are amusing.
- I used to like Lou Seal more than Stomper.
- Vince Cotroneo bugs the heck out of me.
- I'm superstitious but I don't believe that saying the A's will win tomorrow will "jinx" them.
- AN's obsession with the Rev and HH is very annoying. I have been to HH like 2 times. Ever. There's a reason I don't go that place and I it's extremely irritating that there are threads and comments on AN discussing that other blog. Get over it!
by AsGirl on Sep 22, 2006 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular Opinion
<waits expectantly>
by ArakSOT on Sep 22, 2006 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thunderbutt
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I can't count.
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really REALLY suck
by ArakSOT on Sep 22, 2006 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, shut up!
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this one is very unpopular,
by larrysgurl on Sep 22, 2006 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True confessions...
- I don't think anyone can call him/herself a "real fan" at the expense of other people's fandom. Just because you've been a fan since before there were bases on the baseball diamond doesn't make you better than those of us who just discovered the amazingness of baseball a few years ago.
- Honestly, I don't really care about statistics beyond the basics. They're all well and good for GMs, wannabe GMs, and stat geeks (and I mean that in the nicest way possible), but they're not for me.
- I loved Bill King, although apparently, according to other comments in this thread, I didn't hear him in his prime.
- Ken Korach is amazing. Vince, not so much.
- Fosse has begun to annoy me more as every season passes, but I still like the guy.
- I haven't listened to one audio interview on AN. I generally don't have the time or attention span, and as much as I do appreciate the interviews, I don't generally get much from them that I don't already know.
- I think the Link Dumps are the best feature on AN. (Probably not unpopular, and no, Sal did not pay me to say that. Yet.)
- Although I find heckling in general slightly funny, I generally don't want to hear fans being abusive to visiting players or other fans. Not even the Yankees, Red Sox, or Angels.
- I'll miss Zito like I miss any other ex-A, but not extraordinarily. It feels like the majority of the time, he's just not worth the hype.
- I think I've gotten over Huddy, Mulder, and Tejada. But then I think about years gone by, and at that point I really do miss all three of them, even though Mulder's down a little on that list. They had good times here, and I appreciate that.
- I feel sad for Ted Lilly in Toronto.
- I like chocolate. A lot.
- Wait, this was supposed to be unpopular opinions?
- Forget #12, then.
by whiteshoes40 on Sep 22, 2006 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, forgot some.
- I haven't given up on Bobby Crosby. I'd much rather have him back than have Scoot out there every day-- but I'm not a Scutaro h8r, either.
- And I haven't given up on Harden having a full healthy season. Call me an irrational optimist, whatever.
- I cannot stand Extra Innings. I haven't listened to it for a long time, but in the times I have, no callers say anything interesting, and neither does Buan. He spends his time fending off the stupid people who call in just to hear themselves talk.
- I don't like the wave, but honestly, I think it might be the evil "I'm-a-better-fan-than-you-because-I'm-sitting-here-patiently-watching-the-game-unfold" monster in me. Honestly, it doesn't really matter, in moderation anyway.
- HH is stupid and abusive, its blogmaster a jerk. So why are we still talking about it?
- I didn't realize I had this many opinions. Should probably stop here.
by whiteshoes40 on Sep 22, 2006 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have one more...
Oh, and I never wish for a foul ball to come my way, unless it has Rich Harden's phone number on it.
by prana160 on Sep 22, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, another one.
So, this one might be bad, but now that I've thought about it I have to say it.
I love our front-page writers-- really, I do-- but I enjoy reading Jeff at LL and Grant at McC more, even though I don't follow the M's or Giants. <ducks> They're just hilarious.
Ok, I'm done now.
by whiteshoes40 on Sep 22, 2006 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i love LL's game threads. those guys
by larrysgurl on Sep 22, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, they're the best writers ever...
by baseballgirl on Sep 22, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine
- I like Lew Wolfe
- I don't miss or feel bad for Mark Mulder
- My 2nd favorite team is whoever is playing the Giants
- I like Jason Kendall
- I love the tarps
- The Raiders should go back to LA
by antigiants on Sep 22, 2006 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Random question
Bad idea?
by baseballgirl on Sep 22, 2006 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good idea!
by cynthia2003 on Sep 22, 2006 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off-season?
by Jennifer on Sep 22, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unpopular: I LOVE the offseason! ;)
by Poppy on Sep 22, 2006 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
Horrible choice of words -- I was a passionate, true A's fan at 8 or whenever as well.
But I must admit -- unpopular and unpolitically correct as it is -- I think those of us who have been fans 20+, 30+ years just have a little more emotional "investment."
Let's just call it "A's social security."
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2006 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You old fogies
by grover on Sep 22, 2006 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man,
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2006 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if you becane an A's fan in 1975...
We turned the Big Red Machine into little pink pussycats.
The Miracle Mets got served some Miracle Whip.
Big Mouth LAsorda got sent packing to LA LA Land!
How sweet it was!
by McFood on Sep 22, 2006 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could have sworn
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2006 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh-oh ...
Way to go, Vacafan. ;)
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2006 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best thread ever!
- The tarps are good. they look better than I could have imagined, and it is nice to have the 'crowd' less thinned-out.
- Jason Kendall is great for the A's and worth the money. Even if he hits .250.
- I'm secretly glad when the opposing team has injured players. I'm glad Liriano is out and I think it is fine to win "that way".
- I sneak booze into the games I attend.
- I really don't care if the A's move to Fremont as long as I can still take BART to the games.
- The baggy-pants look is aweful. Bring back the stirrups.
- I really wish the A's would go back to the bright green and yellow uniforms. I went to a "Turn-Back-the-Clock" game last year and they had the 70's uniforms and it just looked so good.
- I think interleague games are awesome.
- I forgive Loaiza's DUI now that he is pitching good and I probably wouldn't if he continued to suck. What he did was aweful, but it seems to have been a wake-up call for him to get his head right.
- I really don't think the city of Oakland deserves a MLB team as much as San Jose, Las Vegas, or Portland.
- I really wish the Pirates would have a winning season.
- I don't think the A's will have another Rookie-of-the-Year for a long, long time.
- I'm surprised the A's are beating the Angels in the division this year.
- I will be shocked if the A's win the World Series. I'd love it, but I just don't see it happening.
by oaklandpete on Sep 22, 2006 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
okay, here we go
- If Harden ever puts in a full season, he could win the Cy Young, and we should trade him immediately
- Billy Beane is much better than average, but makes a lot of obvious mistakes too. Kotsay, Kendall, Rhodes, Redman, Ramon Hernandez, etc.
- We should never ever guarentee Thomas a lot of money.
- The best team in the AL west for the next 4-5 years will be the Angels.
- Huston Street = trade bait
- Duke should move into the rotation
- We should move into full rebuilding mode next year. Trade players as soon as their value peaks. Hoard young talent. Cut payroll.
by MrIncognito on Sep 22, 2006 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Had to differ on;
Should be, could be, but not in stone.
A's Front Office is a busy bunch; Soccer Teams, Stadiums in Fremont & San Jose. HDQRTRS in SJ.
Good marketing for stadium builders seeking team buyers is to field a winner and have butts in the seats.
Don't sell Beane & co. short. After they sell the A's is the time to worry.
...and StRangers are one ace away, and Seattle has much money to spend.
by A s Eh on Sep 22, 2006 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so controversial but my two cents
- I like Ken Macha but I make fun of him and sometimes he exasperates me...but on the whole, good guy good manager in the context.
- I'd give Crosby one more chance at 1. a healthy season and 2. vast improvement at the plate....that's it.
- Milton is a time-bomb and I think he has a real busy head with a lot of noise in it. Glad to see him do well, but there is always doubt in my mind about the other shoe dropping.
- If I stay away or limit my peeks at HHeaven, I do much better with my anger issues.
- I don't understand why one would be a Giants fan given the choice of the A's.
- I don't think Wash is managerial material in fact.
- We need a "normal" catcher.
- DJ is a lost cause
by ak_A on Sep 22, 2006 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a few...
Additionally:
- Grady Fusion knows talent
- Macha pitched Street in 4 straight games again! Tied game! Someone tell Macha the playoffs are coming and we'd like some healthy A's ready to play them.
- A's prospects haven't learned to hit the other way BEFORE they come up.
- A's prospects think home plate extends another 18" when they join the A's?
by A s Eh on Sep 22, 2006 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One more for Friday night
by iglew on Sep 22, 2006 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thread
- I wish Gustavo Chacin played for the A's
- That homer handshake that MB and and Swisher do is embarassing
- I like Macha most of the time
- I love the Coliseum and would be just fine without a new stadium
- I never liked Mark McGwire
- Please don't ever trade Joe Blanton
- I really wanted Adam Piatt to get more playing time
- When I see comments about Marco Scutaro's "limited range," I'm completely baffled
- Nico is not funny at all
by Reg on Sep 23, 2006 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need the personal attacks?
by baseballgirl on Sep 24, 2006 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you look at my post
by Reg on Sep 24, 2006 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine are probably pretty unpopular...
- I always have and always will side with Gibson and the Dodgers. It was amazing. Sorry.
- I love Southern California, and specifically Orange County. It pisses me off when people talk trash on Southern California, or see one bad example and say everyone from OC is like that. Not everyone in Orange County is a spoiled brat or a moron. Only some of us are :)
- Along the same lines, not everyone who is an Angel fan is bad. My whole family is Angel fans and I was raised one (yeah... I know) and it sucks when I'm afraid to admit that to people because everyone hates them so much. I grew up and out of that and discovered the A's and I love them now more than anything, and the rivalry between the A's and Angels is super fun because I have people I love that I can debate with (my dad especially). I dislike the Angels now, and I don't like their fans who go to games because it's a social event (part of the reason I'm not a fan anymore), but I don't think I can ever say that I hate them. I mean, every team has to have fans or it wouldn't be any fun to beat them haha. (and while I'm at it, same goes for the Republican bashing around here recently, besides that it shouldn't be brought up on the site anyway. I just hate when people say that all individuals in a group must be the same. It's just not true, and it makes you look more ignorant making comments like that than it does the people you are trying to make fun of.)
- The only thing that would bother me about the A's leaving Oakland would be a possible name change. I know for a fact this is because I don't live up there, and driving 6 hours one direction, or 6 hours slightly another direction won't make much of a difference to me. And basically the reason I don't want them to change the name is because I fell in love with the team how it is... and besides, all of my merch says "Oakland" on it!
- Just thought I'd add this one since reading other people's lists: I don't like when people say they are better fans because they've liked a team longer. I know it's pointless to even bring anything up, because if the team wins we all get to celebrate regardless, but whatever. I know that I haven't been a fan that long (to put a number on it, I'd probably say I've only been a fan since 2004), so I would never consider myself the "biggest" A's fan. Even if I live to be 200 years old, and I'm still wearing my Swisher jersey shirt on random days and posting random comments on game threads here, I probably won't say I'm the biggest A's fan. I don't think there is really a way to judge people and how big of a fan they are. I dunno, it just bugs me when people think they have more of a right to enjoy something than someone else, simply because they've been a fan longer. Not that anyone here said that exactly, and don't get me wrong I give mad props to people who have stuck with a team their whole lives and are still obsessed with them (can't say I've done that). I do think that people who have suffered through more might find more joy deep down when things like victories happen, simply because they were hurt more by the loss since they actually experienced it, and that's way cool, but to say they "deserve" it more, or are bigger fans only puts people down who haven't been fans that long. I feel like it's like saying "you can't enjoy this victory because I'm a better fan than you", when really, someone next to you smiling and jumping up and down when Scoot gets the game winning hit off of FRod is enjoying it! Can't everyone celebrate good times when the A's win?
by drmmerchk on Sep 23, 2006 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Late-Nite AM Radio Confessions...
- I do not despise the Yankees. (In fact, I have rooted for two other teams early in my life: the Yankees, which was the only baseball team a boy in Germany heard about, and the Braves, who were always on Channel 17 -- Ted Turner's first TV station -- in the South in the early 1970s. Phil Niekro was a childhood hero.)
- The A's do not have an ace and none of the Big Three was an ace.
- The A's should not move anywhere out of the city limits.
- The City of Oakland has been so badly mismanaged over decades that citizens no longer even comprehend a better way. That's why city leaders get away with so much incompetence. The stadium debate is just one example of how the city/county are unable to deal with modern policy/economic/mass transit/urban issues.
- It's NOT OK to pay 650k for a 1940s fixer upper in Alameda.
- Berkeley -- the city and its tumorous university -- has been overrated for two decades.
- Today's public education system produces people who are unable to think critically, reason economically, or work efficiently. It has failed for 30 years.
- That system has produced government workers, appointees and elected who focus on entitlement, personal economic gain, networking and advancement, instead of focusing on serving the country.
- I think HH should be removed from SB, and I think Kos is a coward.
- I think Republicans should storm to victory in the upcoming elections, as a lesson to left-wing mouth-frothers who still don't understand that moderation is the key to political success.
by Dan_Honolulu on Sep 23, 2006 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
6 + 7 + 8 + 10
by monkeyball on Sep 23, 2006 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents ($37.50 with inflation)
- I hope that Sacramento loses the Kings and then uses the money they budgeted for a new arena to wow Lew Wolff and build his 10,000 occupancy transportation village/stadium project in Sacramento instead of Fremont.
- Ken Macha is a reasonably smart guy; He'd be a great manager in the old days, but not so much today with the advent of stat geekery. I'm glad he's gone.
- I wish the A's would have the most alternative uniforms... more than the Mets. They should bring back the old sleeveless jerseys that say "A's" on them, as well as the black alt uni from the late 90's, as well as a revised button down version of the yellow "OAKLAND" jersey from the 80's. The A's should have at least 10 different uniform options.
- I think Bobby Crosby might just be the second coming of Ben Grieve, but I think Rich Harden is the real thing, albeit he might have to become a closer in the long run; but by that time, he'll be wearing another team's colors.
- I'd like to see Milton Bradley get into either strict Zen Buddhist meditation or hardcore sadomasochism (as a bottom)... something to quiet the ego and give him a regular source of endorphins. He'll be a better player and better person for it.
- I think that Scott Hatteberg needs to be hired back by the A's front office as soon as his playing career is over. I could see Hatty as an assistant GM, 'cause he's got a good head on his shoulders.
- I never did like the Jeremy Giambi for John Mabry trade, because a laid back team needs a good consistent weed dealer. And heck, if your weed dealer's OBP is over .360, stick him in left. Maybe let him grow some plants in foul territory.
- I think Billy Beane should start a punk band in the offseason, maybe with Zito and Scott Spiezio. I'd go see them.
- I once got kicked out of Comiskey Park for sneaking down into the good seats to give Frank Thomas some encouragement (this was in 2002 when the boobirds were on his a$$.) The last words I said before I had to go were "If they don't love you here, come to Oakland. You'll be happy there." I'm so glad I was right.
by K56 on Oct 24, 2006 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And two more...
I also think that the A's should do the same thing for Brandon Buckley. He beat Adam Piatt in a home run derby at Fenway once. I'd love to see him get at least one major league AB, even if it's just an elegant strikeout.
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by K56 on Oct 24, 2006 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too
by poetwee on Oct 24, 2006 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine.
- I think Eric Byrnes is on the juice. Also, he looks like a daytime TV star (I'm thinkin' Jasper Jax on "General Hospital").
- One of my best friends is a Rangers fan. I hate neither Texas nor my friend (the Dallas Cowboys are another story).
- I much prefer the 49ers to the Raiders; the 49ers suck almost as much but at least their fans don't smash the windows of Fruitvale McDonald's.
- Though I appreciate it in others, I myself do not aspire to stat geekery.
- I could give a crap which BART train wins the race or under which hat the damn hot dog is hidden.
- I think Buckley's Volvo station wagon is a WAY hotter ride than Street's Cadillac Escalade. To me, crappy station wagon says Oakland, whereas Escalade says BoSox.
by poetwee on Oct 24, 2006 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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