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<AN crawls out from behind furniture> WE SWEEP! <collapses>

On today's Seattle Broadcast, Chavez was quoted as saying something to the effect of:

"I can't explain why we win every time over Seattle. But you know what? They have to solve it and we don't."

Well, it was not without drama (but, really, what 2006 Oakland A's game ISN'T), but we did come away with another win today, the series sweep, and the A's beat the Mariners. Again. Some more.

Nearly lost in the madness of the last three innings was this special gem of a moment that I'm not going to gloss over. Take a second with me and just relive the 0-2 pitch to Frank Thomas, that was straight out of the movies. Two curveballs; Frank badly fooled on both, and then a high, beautiful, hard, straight fastball came high into The Big Hurt's wheelhouse. He didn't miss it. In the blink of an eye, he turned the A's 2-0 deficit in a 3-2 advantage with his monster second-deck homerun, which should have led Oakland on its merry way all the way to the win.

But somewhere around the seventh, the simple formula of: <Calero for the 7th + Duchscherer for the 8th + Street for the 9th = Win> got scrambled and Calero was yanked unceremoniously early by Kenipe Machalou, leaving Duke to clean up the mess than Halsey left.

And all of a sudden, it's the eighth inning and Street is in. It's not when he starts the eighth and then pitches the ninth that he has trouble, but rather trouble seems to rear its ugly head when he comes into the eighth in trouble (and it was as bad as it gets today), and then also has to pitch the ninth. However, today, even with the horrible, horrible 'base hit' in the ninth, Street was able bear down and finish the game. Just like a real closer. Here's your card, kid.

It was not Macha's fault that Kielty didn't catch the ball, Duchscherer was shaky, and all the breaks went the Mariners' way in the bottom of the eighth. However, with a three-run lead, no one on base, and having just recorded the first two outs of the seventh, there was no reason in the world why Calero shouldn't have finished the inning. But Macha got cute with the bullpen management and it cost the A's a run in the seventh, may have contributed to Duke's struggles in the eighth, and forced Huston start the ninth having already thrown two-thirds of a stressful inning to get there. And all of that for a more favorable match-up? Calero's a better pitcher than Halsey. Try that match-up.

And another thing. If you're going to pinch-run for Thomas, then DO IT. I would think it's just as likely for Payton to hit a run-scoring double as for Swisher to hit a single, so if you are going to take Frank Thomas out of the game ANYWAY in the ninth, why not do it when he's on first instead of waiting until he's on second? Or if you're worried about extra innings, than commit to using Frank on the bases no matter what happens.

My two cents.

Things that went right today:

  • Frank Thomas
  • Joe Blanton
  • Jay Payton
  • Jason Kendall
  • Milton Bradley
  • Eric Chavez
  • Nick Swisher
  • Kiko Calero
  • Huston Street
  • The Athletics fans in Seattle who came through loud and clear with the "Let's Go Oak-land" cheer today
  • Special thanks to Safeco Park for hosting the 'All-A's' event this weekend

The A's are officially rolling right now, but in order to keep it going down the stretch, they absolutely need to see what they did from Nick Swisher today. After his first disastrous pop-up, Swisher came alive; his credits include a deep fly ball, a single, and what turned out to be the game-winning homerun.  

We can afford to hide a 'below-average-offensively' second baseman (which we do), and even a 'below-average offensively' shortstop (which we also do, be it Crosby or Scutaro) in our lineup, but in order to make-up for these deficits, another position has to be better than average. Most teams use first base to make-up for any extra offensive needs, but unfortunately, this has not been the case for the A's since well before the All-Star break. But here's hoping that today was a sign that Swisher's getting healthy.

So here's a question for the remainder of the weekend:

Do you prefer the 'clean' baseball games, where the A's are leading the whole way, getting great pitching and timely hitting; are in control from the first to the last pitch, where the win is never in question?

Or do you prefer the games where you honestly don't know what the outcome will be until the last pitch is thrown? The games where you take a rollercoaster ride along with the team, and experience the lowest of lows, followed by the highest of highs?

Reminder: AN Day Anaheim deadline is tomorrow morning at 9 AM.

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well, you're wrong about the pinch runner thing...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I basically agree with XbhaskarX:
It is more likely you will actually need someone's speed from second than from first, so the theory of hedging your bets to see if you really need to remove Thomas' bat is sound.

However, in this particular situation, Payton is one of our doubles leaders and Safeco is a "doubles" park--for those reasons only, I would have been happier to see Perez pinch-run at first. But it's far from an obvious call.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

To tell you the truth...
...I may not have removed Thomas at all. I thought we were going extras.
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

my order of preference
1) keep thomas in
...
3) perez PR for thomas after payton's single
...
700) perez PR for thomas immediately
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Payton already had 2 doubles on the day...
I could have also seen him hitting another one, and FT being stranded on 3rd.
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

how often does payton hit 3 doubles in a day?
how can you use that argument and then say swisher was less likely to hit a single then payton was to hit a double when swisher was 2 for 4 with a single and a home run prior to that inning?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

But here's my thinking....
...Swisher has struggled so badly lately--the previous ABs nonwithstanding--that I saw Payton's at-bat as our chance to get that insurance run.

A faster runner could have scored on a double, OR could have stolen a base and scored on a SINGLE.

When Macha left Thomas in, I was like, "Oh good, he's thinking ahead for extras" and then he pulled him anyway.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vhat iss diss
"stealing" sing of vhich you speak of? Sounds interestink, but not--how do you say--familiar.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!
Dude, you make me laugh. <g>

Thanks, Nico.

by SF4As on Aug 6, 2006 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

stolen a base?
now this is just getting ridiculous.  face it: it's the probability of a payton 2b vs the probability of everything else, which is not even close.

this is ironic since you made the macha-alou comparison.  i'll just point out that just yesterday vizquel tried to steal second with both ray durham and bonds due up, and got thrown out.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?
With Payton's recent offensive prowess, and Swisher's struggles at the plate, esp. against the Seattle closer, you're telling me that Swish was more likely to get a single in that spot than Payton was likely to get a double?

If you're going to pinch run for Frank, than pinch run for Frank.

Personally, I wouldn't have. Not when Payton was up, and not when Swisher was up. I would have kept him in; I was seeing extra innings.

However, it did put some pressure on Payton. He knew the only thing that would score FT was a homerun. Kudos for the AB anyway, doing what he could with the pitch.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

ummm.... YEAH
"you're telling me that Swish was more likely to get a single in that spot than Payton was likely to get a double?"

are you aware of the probability of a double vs a single?  i don't care who the batter is.

swisher had 56 singles and 14 doubles going into this game.
payton had 76 singles and 19 doubles.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, but I'm stuck on the notion...
...of Swisher being Crosby right now. Today reminded me that he's not.

Honestly, I just wanted that insurance run. And I thought we may have had a better chance at it with a faster runner at first. Basically the ONLY way Thomas could have scored was on a triple or a homerun by Payton.

Perez could have stolen a base, taken advantage of a bobble, and scored on a single, and, of course, scored on a double all during Payton's at-bat.

But I DO understand needing Frank Thomas in extras. And if I had to see Perez bat in the 11th, I would not have been happy, either.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

possible outcomes
PR right away:
-payton double

if payton is going to double, as he has 20 times in over 380 plate appearances, this move makes a lot of sense.

PR only if Thomas at second:
-payton makes third out
-payton single, walk, triple, HR
-swisher makes third out
-swisher gets any type of hit
-street gives up a run or more in the bottom of the 9th

let's also remember
-putz is filthy this year with a .8 whip and an 11.7 k/9
-street has 8 games in which he has either blown the save or taken a loss (not double counting)
-street tends to be more likely to struggle when he's also pitched in the 8th
-the mariners had 16 hits today
-the a's had a bunch of instances where they failed to make defensive plays or had bad luck in the field...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, BUT...
How many of those Swisher singles have come in the last two months?
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

how many outs has payton made
in the last two months?  a lot more than doubles, i'm guessing...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

and what is the BAA against putz
this year?  .184
and that's not just doubles, but singles and two home runs...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

and what was the actual outcome?
a single.  
imagine that!  you'd think payton would just hit a double off putz since it's so easy and all.....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you have had Perez SB there?
The A's have been stealing a couple of bases lately. Why wouldn't they have tried it? Then he COULD have scored on "what actually happened", Payton's single?

The way you put it, it took TWO hits for them to score a run. I think pinch-running for Thomas early gave them the best chance to score on ONE base hit, which was probably all they were going to get against Putz, who has been fantastic.

Again, your mileage may vary. I certainly wasn't trying to attack you, x!

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that
Perez is particularly fast or a good baserunner/basestealer.  He's just not fragile and slow like Thomas.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2006 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has stolen 16 of 21 lifetime
in the majors, and does have 170 minor league steals.  Also I thought his speed was one of the reasons he was acquired -- to pinch run.

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 6, 2006 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the Baseball cube
Excluding the 58SBs he had with the Dominican Reds as an 18yr old (there is no accompanying record of CS) Perez has only been successful on 63.6% of his minor league SB attempts.

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, we'll take what we can get ;)
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget
that Putz has a good move and has only given up 4 SB in 60 odd innings.  The A's tend to run when the pitcher sleeps on the mound.  Not, when everyone knows its coming.
"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." -George Carlin

by eshock on Aug 6, 2006 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you baseball girl
in everything you wrote.  For the 2nd time in 5 games, Macha got cute, tried to think, he did the same thing in Anaheim except he took out Halsey and replaced him with Calero with similar results.  Thomas should have been removed immediately in the 9th today, and the 8th yesterday.

by china bob on Aug 6, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i assume you realize you're wrong
and have given up....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

New statistic needed
What's the ratio for being informational over being an a**? And what score would you give your comment?

by louismg on Aug 6, 2006 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

the preceding 10 comments on the subject
were informational.  

looking at just one comment = small sample size.  something one would think an a's fan would be aware of.
but hey, i don't know much about cartoons....

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about this informational post
"macha is a nazi, just like american soldiers!"

you'll approve of that one...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

and i mean that in a completely
non-serious, attempt at humor, non-political way.  of course.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

and i'm rather hurt
by your personal attack.  implying that someone is an ass in a sarcastic manner doesn't seem very nice.

of all people, you'd think the site admins would be above such things....

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

this seems to clearly be
not only a personal attack, but also, and perhaps more importantly, baiting another individual.  

i was  having a discussion regarding a specific issue with a bunch of other people (baseballgirl, nico), NOT you.  you were not only not involved, but still aren't.  your sole contribution to the discussion was to call me an ass.  most people don't respond kindly to such a personal attack, as i'm sure you realized when you wrote it.

i can't help but wonder if this has anything to do with an earlier incident in which i quesitoned your not only coming to the defense of, but actually supporting an individual's diary on AN comparing US troops to Nazis and those who "support the troops" to Nazi sympathizers.  

as an admin, you're able to remove the posts so they're no longer visible to the general public, but it must not be very comfortable to have someone bring it up for everyone to see.  can you deny it ever happened?  i guess you could, since  you control all the information.  but some of us saw it, including me, and unfortunately for you i have no problem bringing it up.... unless of course you bait me and then try to get me banned if i respond instead of turning the other cheek...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't know anymore...
i mean, the way they've been oppressing the poor helpless mariners... what if they're nazis?  i don't want to be a nazi sympathizer....

don't mention the war.  i mentioned it once, but i think i got away with it.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
At least you have a sense of humor when you get indignant.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2006 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That made me laugh out loud
Nice one, MikeA (who stood the rest of us up at Chez Nico II, by the way, did he not???).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deep breath.
Bhaskar, I'm not picking on you, don't hold a grudge, don't intend to, and won't ever. That's not interesting.

Bringing up that other political topic is fine, and was discussed in great detail in your diary previously. Nobody is obscuring any info.

I apologize if you took my above "statistics" question too directly. There is an ebb and flow on this site. Your comment to BBG seemed incendiary to me, as you no doubt knew for the tone you took. That's what I was trying to suggest. From your responses, it's clear my comment really bugged you, and that's not what I really wanted. Please understand that.

Thanks.

by louismg on Aug 6, 2006 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

as the dude would say...
well, that's just like, your opinion, man.  

i don't think my comment to baseballgirl was at all incindiary.  

i generally tend to agree with her in many baseball arguments, but it seems to me like she is clearly wrong here, as we're talking about payton hitting a double against just about every other possible outcome that could have happened in the inning.  
i don't get what's so incindiary about suggesting that another person may be wrong regarding one particular matter.  i mean, obviously i've never been wrong even once before in my entire life, but i always imagined that the rest of you would be quite used to it by now...

it's ironic that you would see that "incindiary" and then wonder if i'm taking your "statistics question too directly"...
too directly!!  just to clarify, we're talking about when you called me an ass, aren't we?  
i wonder what baseballgirl would think of your supposed apology: "i apologize if i may have hurt your feelings."

are you denying you said i was being an ass?

which other way am i supposed to take that, other than "too directly"?

if i didn't take it "too directly" but instead took it in a more roundabout way, would your apology no longer apply?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love that you know my pet peeve ;)
regarding the non-apology.

xbhaskarx - I think we're BOTH frustrated that the A's didn't pick up the insurance run there, because, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think both of us honestly expected Street to blow the save.

But I'm not talking about Payton hitting the double as the ONLY outcome. There are many things that could have happened with Perez on first that are simply not possible with Thomas there.

My point was; the hit was most likely to come from Payton; whatever that hit was. The A's needed to try anything to make it count, knowing that there probably was an automatic out against Putz on deck.

I understood not pinch running for Thomas because I thought Macha was thinking of extra innings. But when he didn't pinch run for him and THEN suddenly did, it seemed like Thomas made it all the way through the inning, and THEN was taken out. The A's best chance to score in that inning was with Perez on the basepaths and Chavvy and Payton up.

I love Swisher, and no one was happier about his day today than I was, but he was not the go-to guy against Putz. The chance to score rested with Payton, who did his job, but didn't have the RBI set up for him.

I'm NOT saying it would have worked and we would have got the run. But we took Frank Thomas out of the game without even giving the team the BEST chance at plating that run.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

BBG, let me get this straight...
...The A's just swept the series and sit 3 games up, and you're both frustrated right now because the A's failed to score an insurance run that we didn't actually end up needing?

Got it!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm kinda cranky....
...that we have no bullpen.

But yes, you're right.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it ended up being quite crucial
in the alternate reality i live in...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 8, 2006 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, payton was out best shot
but he was up with two outs.  chances are pretty good you're not going to score from first base with payton up against jj putz and two outs.  i don't care if it's rickey henderson pinch running for frank thomas.
payton has a .330 obp, so that's about a 67% chance he makes the third out.  and putz has a BAA under .200.  
i'm pretty much resigned to not getting that insurance run with a man on first and two outs against putz.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 8, 2006 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

somehow the part where i mocked you
for having the ballz to actually refer to it as a frickin' "statistics question" got erased, but i think you get the idea....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, i meant by me
"I apologize if you took my above "statistics" question too directly."

i dealth with the pseudo-apology aspect and the "too directly" part, but the "statistics question" stuff got deleted.  obviously it wasn't the most important work our great civilization has produced so i won't bother trying to replicate it...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to a softball game...?
-I feel that Payton had a better chance of getting the RBI, whether it was a single or a double, than Swisher did in that situation. Payton has been hitting; Swisher has seemed LOST at the plate with men on base.
-I feel that Perez had a better chance of getting into scoring position than Thomas did.
-I feel that as long as you took Thomas out of the game ANYWAY, why not give yourself the best chance to score in the eighth inning? I don't think the A's did. It all came down to a) either Payton has to hit a homerun b) Swisher has to single. I think there were more options available if Perez had been running. And the A's HAVE stolen more bases recently. I don't think that was out of the question.
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good points
BBG. I see your thinking and I don't think you are wrong or that there needs to be a right or wrong here.

I would add thought that ...
If a time traveller told Macha that Thomas was guaranteed to make it so 2nd then Macha would have PR for him from the beginning. So I think the "if your going to PR for him then do it right from the start" argument is too simplistic. Macha weighed the risks and rewards in both situations and thought the risk outweighed the reward in the first case (eg. Chavez could hit into a FC on the first pitch)  but not in the 2nd.

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Home whites tomorrow?
"YA-freaking-WHOOOOO!" ~ alaska A

by eamb on Aug 6, 2006 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Your question is easy:
I prefer games like these, as long as we ultimately win!  Gak. Freejgh. Mlroovg. <exhales>

As you know, bbg, I subscribe to the theory that it's less risky to keep a pitcher in who is already throwing well than it is to keep trying new ones. That, along with the fact that Calero is better vs. lefties than Halsey is simply because he's that much better a pitcher, make the move to Halsey questionable...

...But given Ibanez' disparate splits, it did make sense and I think Macha had the right to believe Halsey would throw an occasional strike to two hitters. So I put it under the category of "not the move I would have made, but not a horrible move."

Tomorrow night's closer: Gaudin, on 1,000 days rest? Eek.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Nah.... no need for Gaudin tomorrow.
Loaiza will throw a CG.  
<Tried to say that with a straight face, but I died before that>
"Harden isn't dead. Hatte Jr. is batting 1.000. Chavy is fine. I'm not depressed." ~ Jennifer

by AsGirl on Aug 6, 2006 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No need for closer
with Loaiza pitching could also mean we will be behind all game too.

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the 17-inning games.
Those are guaranteed to be dramatic, at least through the last 30 outs. We enjoyed ours against the Dodgers. Sweeping the M's is pretty good though.

by louismg on Aug 6, 2006 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Texas Bullpen....
....will be tired for our series.
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by signmebilly on Aug 6, 2006 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Saarloos?
Should be good for 3-4 innings tomorrow, and the save!

by MobiusKlein on Aug 6, 2006 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or should be able
to pitch 3-4 innings, anyway. Don't know about good. :-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good is measured
relative to Loiza, so I'll put $50 on better than the scheduled starter.

by MobiusKlein on Aug 6, 2006 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now those hotel surveys
make sense. You know the ones where you rate, "How was our service?" (circle one)

Excellent  Very Good  Good  Fair  Poor  Loaiza

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha
That actually made me laugh. Is Loaiza the overpriced room you paid for? The room you were expecting to be first class but, in all acuality, was the room with the broken AC, unusual stains on the sheets, and the TV from Beavis and Butthead?
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin

by bluelightrain84 on Aug 6, 2006 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well
Actually, the "Loiaza" hotel rating would denote an AC that breaks two hours into your stay -- one in which the bullpe- i mean 'hotel' staff is too shorthanded to repair -- and you realize, halfway through your stay, you just blew a good chunk of your budget on a lemon?
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin

by bluelightrain84 on Aug 6, 2006 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

couple of things
With the way Macha has managed the BP for the past 2 games it is likely the A's will be without Calero or Street in game 1 against Texas.

Yesterday the M's announcers (on MLB TV) kept pronouncing Marco's surname as; Scu-TAR-o - doing a mock Italian accent.  Sheesh, is it too hard to learn how to pronounce the names of players on a team you play over 15 times a year?

Today an M's announcer (on MLB TV) referred to a ball that bounced over the wall as a "ground rule double" - which of course is untrue.  It was an "automatic double".  And don't give me that "popular usage" crap wrong is wrong

Cheers

by onlysaying on Aug 6, 2006 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

They also pronounced it ScuTARo
on Foxsports, their reasoning being that although Scutaro is from Venezuela, his father was born in Italy and that is how the Italians pronounce the name.

by china bob on Aug 6, 2006 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

names
I've been following this team for about seven years now, and I'm still not clear on CHA-vez vs sha-VEZZ.  So I'm not going to get on anyone's case about scu-TAR-o vs SCU-taro.

Anyway, I think with a lot of names people pronounce them various ways and it's not as simple as one pronuncation is correct and all the others are wrong.  That seems to happen a lot with Americanized Italian names (eg, Giambi, Magnante).

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Aug 6, 2006 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think
you're confused about CHA-vez vs. sha-VEZZ, listen to Eric. He changes his answer more often than an indecisive schizophrenic with Alzheimers.

Sorry--I hope I didn't offend anyone who might have a family member who suffers from indecision.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's so funny cause now i think he just says
he doesn't know how it's pernounced when people ask him. i mean you think his parents would have told him at one point in his life.
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 6, 2006 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem
With Macha's bullpen management in a 2 or 3 run game.

When Reliever A or in some cases recently Reliever B has done well, and there is no threat on the horizon....

why go to B or C??

I mean at the risk of producing 45 hyean-like yelps of statistical disapproval, there is a theory that says that the deeper within a certain game you go into your bullpen when the first pitcher(s) is/are performing well, the more likely it will be that things start going wrong.

So to Macha: stop screwing around when you have multi-run leads, OK??

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 6, 2006 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Yea
Good point, Oaktoon. Why take a gamble when you've already got a solid reliever on the mound who has just recorded two outs WITH a 3-run lead?
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin

by bluelightrain84 on Aug 6, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you (for once)
...at least in this situation.  Calero is worse against lefties, but he still holds them to a 636 OPS (this year; 741 over the last three years).  Lefties do get on base but don't hit much for power against Kiko, so the most likely "bad" scenario is that Ibanez walks and then Kiko destroys Sexson with three sliders away.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, I think the same thing.
Nico has been bringing this point home for weeks now.

I absolutely agree. When Pitcher A is going well, wnen the bases are clear, when you have a three run lead, ESPECIALLY when Pitcher A is a better over-all pitcher, there is no reason to mess with that.

I think it was a mistake to pull Calero.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree as well
but people act like duke and street would be automatic if not for some move macha made in the 5-7th innings, when in reality both have struggled at times this year.

although macha should have kept calero in, i have no reason to believe that duke wouldn't have had problems in the 8th if macha had done so.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but also I think
the biggest reason to want Calero in is to spare having to use Duke at all. No matter what, the way Macha played it we would open the Rangers series short-handed. It's unclear whether that was necessary if Calero--already in, spent--had stayed in.

We were only one run away from leaving "save situation" territory and Kiko was breezing. I wouldn't have been upset if he had finished the 7th and started the 8th, as long as he was already not going to be available tomorrow.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duke could have still had problems...
...but at least they would have been his baserunners. If Duke comes in with a three-run lead, and the bases empty, and he sucks, there is still time to get him out of there with the lead.

He came in with two baserunners on. If he happens to suck that day, it is likely the game would be tied or worse before we could figure that out.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

answer to question
I like scoring 17 runs in the first inning and having our pitcher throw a no hitter.  Much, much easier on my heart rate and blood pressure.  To those who may think that is boring baseball, I say I understand but allow me to disagree :-)
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 6, 2006 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

At this point in the year
I'd prefer a no doubt'er.  The bullpen cannot maintain their level of success under the stress these games put on them.  Every time a reliever comes in it is a high pressure situation.  A blowout would be nice indeed.
My first reaction to bballgirl's question was: do you prefer a handshake or a massive kick to the family jewels.  However, I guess these types of games are entertaining and get the adreneline going.  But they take a toll emotionally, and I worry about a cumulative effect (on the players, not me).  I'd like a somewhat "fresh" team if they make the playoffs...

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 6, 2006 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a little torn, actually...
...I love to have the win in hand from the beginning.

However, that "W" means everything in the world sailing off the end of Milton Bradley's bat, two runs down in the 9th.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point...
I agree about Bradley's walk-off.  Huge boost.  Maybe if the A's had someone "Papi"-like, I'd be more in favor of that.  (and no, I don't mean to re-start the whole clutch/no-clutch hitting debate).

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 6, 2006 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clutch or no clutch...
...David Ortiz is a game-changing hitter for the RedSox, and I'd be super-jealous if we didn't already have a DH that I love very much.
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the Halsey call...
I agree with the call for two reasons.

1) Calero's numbers are much more padestrian verses lefties then righties, that why they said they were teaching Calero a change-up in spring training this year.  (Which was cut short thanks to the World Base Ball Classic)

2)Ibaniez had been slaughtering the A's all day and I don't know if you guys checked the splits for Calero and Halsey yet, but MLB.com has Calero with a 3.6ERA verses lefties to Halsey's 2.7ERA against lefties.  That's almost an entire full run an inning.  Halsey was just wild, it's wasn't like he got shelled.

by Threepwood XX on Aug 6, 2006 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't care about the splits, Ibanez is only one
batter, and even if he homered we still have a 2 run lead, and Duke starting off the 8th with no runners.

by theblackpearl on Aug 6, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm...
seems like an entire full run per 9 innings to me.

by truelements on Aug 7, 2006 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

so i got in a cleaning mood today and
ended up taping the game. i am just watching it now. i'm glad to see swisher contribute with the bat. however that mustache/goatee thing he has going on right now has got to go.
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 6, 2006 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Afraid he's gonna keep it...
After all, his bat started waking up once he went with the muttonchops...  could be a keeper.  Blech.

by LoveDemAs on Aug 6, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know. it's so gross though.
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 6, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey
Whats wrong with the Lemmy Kilmister look? :)
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin

by bluelightrain84 on Aug 6, 2006 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The kind of games I like...
I like games where we get down by a couple of runs early, then stretch out to a 3-4 run lead, nearly blow it due to bullpen mis-management, and finally win (yet another) one-run decision thanks to a heroic effort by our overused young closer.

Oh wait, I misspoke... GAMES LIKE THAT SUCK!

by LoveDemAs on Aug 6, 2006 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

<crax up>
"YA-freaking-WHOOOOO!" ~ alaska A

by eamb on Aug 6, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

R.I.P 2006 Seattle Mariners
great to finish off the sweep.  Even though 2/3 is always nice, the A's need to have that swagger of the first place team and finish teams off like the mariners.

Great win to finish a successfull road trip.  Next up put the rangers to bed and lets really get this first place thing into gear!

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch." - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Aug 6, 2006 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

when you get the chance go read the
game threads at lookout landing. those guys are awesome. so funny!
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 6, 2006 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

No mention
of Kotsay's injury(?) or situation in the AP recap.
"YA-freaking-WHOOOOO!" ~ alaska A

by eamb on Aug 6, 2006 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Injured or Rest
My thinking was that he was taken out of the game early to rest.   We had a good handle on the game at the time, so why not give Kots a couple innings off?  Right?
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Aug 6, 2006 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way Kotsay
was taken out to rest. You're talking about a game that was close enough (7-4) to use Calero, Duke, and Street. Rest your best defensive outfielder for the last 3 innings of a 3-run game in a pennant race?

I'd give a 99.4% chance that Kotsay's back stiffened up and a 0.6% chance that he's dead.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about
the chance he dies from the stiff back?  And if so, will the A's still list him as day-to-day?

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 6, 2006 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edinson Volquez, RHP
Is this guy really pitching against us tomorrow (Or, Kip Wells)?  According to the A's Website he is...

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/probable_pitchers.jsp?c_id=oak

By the way, in 120.2 IP, Volquez has walked 72 batters.  And, we like taking walks more than hitting the ball...

Good Job, Showalter!

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Aug 6, 2006 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

it's Volquez
a late change by Texas, just announced on Extra Innings

by OaklandSi on Aug 6, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kip Wells
"Late Sunday, Wells was on his way back home to see Rangers doctors after developing soreness in the back of his shoulder. He had been scheduled to start the opener of the Rangers' series in Oakland on Monday, so Texas was back in scramble mode."

Rangers are going to be in some serious trouble.  They need Eaton and Wells to eat some innings.  Come Late August/September, their bullpen is going to get lit up like a Christmas Tree.

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Aug 6, 2006 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

'lit up like a Christmas tree'
I love the Holidays.
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Aug 7, 2006 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random...
...and Saint's tix request diary is kinda buried. But I have 2 plaza outfield vouchers that will expire at the end of the month that I won't be able to make use of. Would anyone be able to trade me for bleacher seats on Wednesday? Thanks.
Stephen Colbert: "Kids who look up to athletes become athletes themselves."
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.

by JLaff on Aug 6, 2006 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

great write up
From pulling calero to pinch running for frank . I love my A's baseball but with decisons like those he scares me in a short series. One wrong move can cost you a playoff series. He should have never pulled Calero when he did. Macha did the same thing in the Bradley homerun game a week ago in the eigth inning when he tried to get cute with matchups.

by antmans athletics on Aug 6, 2006 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't be paranoid!
It's not as if little things, like, say, baserunning errors, ever actually cost a team a playoff series...
"I'm getting smarter. I finally punched something that couldn't sue me." -- Billy Martin, after breaking his finger punching a piece of furniture in 1982.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Aug 6, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answer this question...............
Do you like games where its a low scoring 1 run difference in a game and you dont know the outcome, or high run games where a rally can come any moment even with 2 outs?

This is why I enjoy watching and cheering for the A's. sometimes we have it, and sometimes we dont but then get it back with a Thomas or Bradley walk off homer =)

I personally cant watch the games so everytime I am at home while they play-I sit and watch the dots on the computer screen. For instance Thomas' monster homerun today to the upperdeck-all I read is Thomas Homers to left...etc. But the games that can go either way are the greatest. I mean look at our team, worst hitting, most GIDP's, and a helluvalot of people LOB. But were still in 1st in a division with LAAAAAA and TEX, oh yah and seattle too. What is it 50/51 of the past days weve been in 1st? thats almost half the games weve played. Anyways GO A'S!!!!

3 Converted LAAAAAAAAAofA fans to A's this season, only 1 more to go and I beat last years record(3) lol(I live in SoCal.)

by Paul3online on Aug 6, 2006 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Sissy
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

How long has it been since Halsey last pitched?
And how long has it been for Gaudin? Anybody know? Seeing Macha pull Calero after two non-dramatic outs was truly one of those "WTF?" moments for me, but I rationalized it at the time as needing to give some BP guys some work. It turned out really sucky in retrospect, but that's the beauty of retrospect.

by groversson on Aug 6, 2006 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Gaudin has pitched
exactly once (7/30) since July 25th, a span of 11 days. A little odd, no?

My ideal scenario would have been Calero finishes up the 7th and Gaudin gets work in the 8th or 9th while we give Duke the day off. Nice to have either Calero or Duke rested, unless you're in a bunch of tight games and need to use them a lot--this looked like it didn't have to be a tight game, but oh well...

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

More than just a little odd
Current streak:  5 straight games off, pitched once in last 10 games.

Immediately before:  Pitched in four of five games, and 10 of 18.

Just as it seemed Gaudin had become a regular part of the bullpen rotation, he gets an extended summer break.

"I don't want to 'Wear It.' It doesn't match my shoes." --Jennifer

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 6, 2006 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes you wonder
how his arm's doing, doesn't it?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes me wonder if they might
ever consider Gaudin for the rotation if Komine or even Loaiza struggle.  Otherwise it just doesn't make much sense.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 6, 2006 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Witasick/Kennedy
I have the feeling that Flores/Gaudin might be the odd men out when they return.  Ask Gaudin to be stretched out in AAA, just in case something happens to our rotation.

Kind of like Juan Cruz last year, but with different/positive results.

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Aug 6, 2006 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Starting pitching
The starters have been great for the last 10 games or so which means little to no work for Gaudin. In the 10 or so games previous to that our starters were not going deep in the game and Gaudin got a lot of work.

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loaiza
I thought he has been struggling all year. Don't tell me it can get worse. : )

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

uh, oh, and I loved...
the Kenipe Machalou reference in the headlining article. Crack me up!

by groversson on Aug 6, 2006 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

it took me a few seconds
but then i figure out what BBg was alouing to.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005...in 2006?...prove it.

by ak_A on Aug 6, 2006 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lookout Landing
Taking a look at their website. I think they should be kept away from sharp, pointy objects for a week or two and someone needs to confiscate all of their medications.
Stupidity should be painful!

by ByondF1 on Aug 6, 2006 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Medication?
Drugs? <salivates>

Ahem, I'll take those... <confiscates>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh! Ooh!
If they're free, I'll take...I'll take two, please.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i also think we should release melhuse
surely one of those brown/baker types can be just as mediocre.  
melhuse can go to japan and play with matt watson...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2006 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of spending time on
Melhuse's status, I'd focus on casually starting a conversation with Frank Thomas that goes something like, "So-o...Whatcha thinking about for next year, ol' Hurt...?"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Am I the only one
who's a bit concerned about Thomas proclaiming how healthy he is? Of course, I love the big guy, and he means so much to the team. But I'm afraid he might push himself too far on the bases, and we need that bat in the lineup.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Aug 6, 2006 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

frank thomas is awesome. this is what he said
about scoring from second on swisher's single.

from http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060806&content_id=15960 81&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

"I was happy to get a head start," Thomas said with a laugh, "because that was important. I wanted to score for Swish because we need him down the stretch. He's one of the big bats in our lineup, and RBIs lead to confidence. ... I wanted that for him more than for me. It was nice."

"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 6, 2006 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

do you think he wouldve trucked Jojima?
because if Ichiro makes an accurate throw theres gonna be a play, most likely Frank is out.  

He didnt look like he was about to slide.  

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch." - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Aug 6, 2006 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Au contraire,
I didn't think (looking at the replay) that Ichiro had a chance even with a good throw. As Ken Korach likes to say, "So much is dictated by the count," and the 3-2 count gave Thomas a running start. On any other count, he stops at 3rd fo' shizzle.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice. Maybe I'm deluding myself
(it's a hobby), but I have hopes that Thomas has a better chance of being healthy in 2007 than he has in 2006, because he will be one more year removed from the foot injuries and have one more year of experience figuring out how to make it all work.

So if he gets through 2006 healthy, I'd be all for giving him another incentive-driven contract for 2007. The guy has proven that he can still hit at the level of the old Frank Thomas, and that's a damn high standard.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

They recorded
"Eye In The Sky," right? The same year Alan Parsons hit 35 HR for the A's.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2006 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The same year ...
Alan Parsons hit 35 HR for the A's."

I thought that was just projected.

"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Aug 6, 2006 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reality
Someone will offer him a non incentive laden, guaranteed money contract that we will not be able to match. I hear Texas is looking for hitters!

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

free Melhuse, Gaudin and Sarloos
Macha has never learned the value of keeping your reserve players sharp while giving your first string players rest which is why Macha's teams collapse in September.

by china bob on Aug 6, 2006 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't forget Halsey...
...you know, there is something to that.
"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on who we're playing
If the opponent is a team I like, like the Mariners, then I enjoy a close game like this one.  I root for the A's, of course, but if we lose and the Mariners pull it out ... hey, good for them.  Either way, I get to watch a great game.

On the other hand, if the opponent is a team I hate, like the Yankees, then I want to obliterate them with as lopsided a score as possible.  If we were to beat the Yankees 20-0 every time we play them, I for one would not call that boring.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Aug 6, 2006 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

That's an interesting point!
I guess I didn't think about that side of it, but you're right. I truly enjoy the blowouts against the Angels, Boston, New York, San Francisco and the 'smallball' White Sox.

Everyone else I want a good game.

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My friend Tony is a Mets fan.
He complains about the fact that there is never a big game for the Mets...since they are leading that division by so much and the other teams in the division aren't toprunners for the Wildcard. What a problem huh? I tell him to cry me a river.

by IM4Oakgal on Aug 6, 2006 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

A's 88-90
No down to the wire division races and no play-off sereis that went more than 5 games.

by Larry E on Aug 7, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy good games,
and baseball is a long season where loosing is truly as part of the experience as winning.  I don't mind the losses so much as I despise lack of execution by our guys.  I expect that there will be situations where the team will leave the bases loaded with less than two outs.  I can even live with it when it happens.  What I can't stand is when the team hits so poorly that I expect them not to score in such situations.  That drives me insane.  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Aug 6, 2006 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh. My. Gosh.
Just read LL from the game.

Where do I start??

Jeff - (shows picture of Blanton) Ken promised me waffles. Where are the waffles? These aren't waffles.

Come on, Gil.
It's a whole 2-0 lead. Don't spend it all in one place.

Dear God.
That was the worst 0-2 pitch in the history of anything.

At some point this is going to be funny.
We have not yet reached that point.

Goose - Ichiro, it's Frank [f'in] Thomas
You did not need to throw it that hard.

I guess Richie hasn't given up yet
Cute

Jeff - Win Expectancy thinks we still have a chance.
That's cute.

Stupid fans.
Don't cheer until the ball hits the ground.
That'll learn you.

MFAN - Mateo blogging win expectency:
100%.....I come in...-100%

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 6, 2006 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmmm....
...Urban and Macha even agree that it was a mistake to take Calero out:

From www.mlb.com:

It got sticky for the A's after Blanton bowed out. Kiko Calero came on the start the bottom of the seventh and retired the only two batters he faced before being lifted for lefty Brad Halsey, who was brought on to face lefty-swinging Ibanez despite Halsey's .310 opponents' batting average against lefties this season.

Calero's OBA vs. lefties is .236. Halsey walked Ibanez and Sexson.

In his office after the game, Macha pulled out a statistical printout to justify his decision. It showed that while Calero's OBA is impressive against lefties, he'd issued 11 walks in 54 at-bats against them this year, opposed to eight walks in 105 at-bats against righties.

"As it turned out, I probably should have left [Calero] in," Macha said with a shrug and a road-weary smile. "We ended up walking the guys anyway."

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 7, 2006 12:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Dear "Road Weary in Seattle",
Next time, pitcher is doing well, has a lead, is one of your best options, and hasn't thrown a lot of pitches, PLEASE leave them in.

Sincerely,

baseballgirl in Los Angeles

"I'm living in a cuckoo clock!" ~HollywoodOz
"I'm your huckleberry." ~grover

by baseballgirl on Aug 7, 2006 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Error.
Calero's BAA is 236 against lefties.  His OBA is 364.  (Still the wrong decision, lefties slug 273 against Calero, so the worst that happens is Ibanez walks and Richie Sexson is obliterated.  No way Raul is going to hit a double or HR against Calero.)
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on Aug 7, 2006 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Close Games & D.J.
To answer the question of the week, I would prefer to keep playing and winning those close games. We have a young team (like we always do year after year), and we need all the pressure games we can get to prepare for the playoffs (knock on wood). On a side note, does anybody think D. Johnson will get promoted back to the Majors? He's been swinging the bat extremely well since returning to Sac. Although I'm not sure who would get demoted.

by chicocat21 on Aug 7, 2006 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Kotsay's back spasms
Past history proves Kotsay is not a quick healer with the back spasms(ie takes longer than one week). See how he is, but by Tues/Wed, DL'ing Kotsay would be the right move with a call-up on Johnson to see if he has anything.  Move allows appropriate healing time for Kotsay and let's us see if DJ will add value for the stretch drive.  
"Pick him off". Coach Fitz

by Sashulia on Aug 7, 2006 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing, Sashulia,
then realized if the A's prefer to lose a player for 10 days rather than DL him for 15, no way will they DL Kotsay if they expect to lose him for 5 days.

But much as I love Kotsay, Payton and Kielty are contributing consistently enough right now that an OF of Kielty, Payton, and Bradley, with Swisher at 1B, looks ok for a few days.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 7, 2006 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cruise control? or Freeway car chase?
Everybody loves car chases right? Oh I love bullpen and defensive chaos during a pennant chase.  It soothes me like christmas cookies...

That's the type of outing a team gets from their bullpen when the starters go deep into clusters of games and the bullpen gets a little tight aka underworked...Mach did a good job of trying to use stale relievers (Macha's possible mindset with a 3 run lead was Halsey...known for his multi-inning unscathed performances and Duke who can go multi-innings and "close" if needed) when he knows he'll need Gaudin, Saarloos et al when Loiaza and Komine "the Hawaiian Punchout" pitch against Texas...Hey at least Saarloos (In relief, it seems he tends to let inherited runners score) didn't get called in...I think Mach is possibly saving him to pitch in KC for the first game of the double dip...which I approve of anytime Kirk has 10-14 days between starts...Who is scheduled for those games?

All said and done yesterdays freeway car chase occurred because the bullpen didn't close the deal in the 7th and part of the 8th...The pens been awesome in 2006....Otherwise, bravo to Frank Thomas and the top of the lineup...nice comeback....

AZfan

by AZFan on Aug 7, 2006 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

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