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Andrew Jones is claimed off Waivers by unnamed team.

Buster Olney is reporting:

"With Andruw Jones only days away from gaining trade veto power, the All-Star center fielder was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. ET Saturday to decide whether to take their last opportunity to deal Jones unfettered."

The article goes onto say:

"That Jones was placed on waivers is unremarkable; he was one of hundreds of players, including many stars, who were placed on waivers earlier this week. What makes Jones' situation interesting is that on Aug. 15, he will gain 10-and-5 rights -- 10 years in the big leagues, five with the same team -- to block any proposed trade.

Multiple teams placed claims on Jones, according to major-league sources. But on Thursday afternoon, one team was awarded a claim on Jones. Now the Braves have two choices -- either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.

The Boston Red Sox tried to deal for Jones leading up to the trade deadline, with some intent to try to flip him to the Houston Astros for Roy Oswalt. Some scouts also think that the Los Angeles Angels, who've been looking for a bat, might have high interest in Jones."

This may be bad news if <gulp> Anaheim is said unnamed team. Is there any chance that Oakland can be this team <hopes>... What do you think?

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according to the rules (via wiki)
the Braves have to either agree on a trade with the team that claimed him or take Jones off the waiver wire. Also, NL teams get preference, teams with the worst W/L records this season first.

It's hard for me to imagine that no NL team would've claimed him before any AL team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Waivers
Waivers

Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims a player from waivers, the team with the lowest record in the player's league gets preference. If no team in the player's league claims him, the claiming team with the lowest record in the other league gets preference. The previous year's standings are used during the first month of a season to determine preference.

If a team claims a player off waivers and has the viable claim as described above, his first team may choose one of the following:

    * arrange a trade with the new team for that player within two business days of the claim; or
    * rescind the request and keep the player on their major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or
    * do nothing and allow the claiming team to assume the player's existing contract, pay a waiver fee to the first team, and place him on their active major league roster

If a player is claimed and the option to rescind is used, this option to rescind a waiver may not be used again for that player in that season. If no team claims a player from waivers in three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be assigned to a minor league team, traded, or released outright.

The waiver "wire" is a secret within the personnel of the Major League Baseball clubs; no announcement of a waiver is made until a transaction actually occurs. Many players are often quietly waived during the August "waiver-required" trading period to gauge trade interest in a particular player. Usually, when the player is claimed, the waiving team will rescind the waiver to avoid losing the player unless a trade can be worked out with the claiming team.

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

waiver wire
Are the players themselves aware of when they've been placed on the wire? I'd guess they have no idea
I miss Bill King :(

by gojohn10 on Aug 4, 2006 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've read that they aren't told
the waiver lists are secret. You only find out if another team tries to claim you.

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not anaheim
National league gets first dibs, most liley it could be the Astros or Cards

by tonyeee on Aug 4, 2006 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

errr
likely... also add the Dodgers to that list.

by tonyeee on Aug 4, 2006 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, no way Andruw made it thru the NL
He is so cheap for next year at 13 million that the NL teams would be nuts to let him slide to the AL.

by The Hypocrite on Aug 4, 2006 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that true?
The article on MLB.com about Jones says this:
If two teams were to claim a specific player, the lower-ranking team according to winning percentage (whether it be an American or National League team), is given rights to that player for 48 hours.

I miss Bill King :(

by gojohn10 on Aug 4, 2006 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

mlb is correct, the person you responded to is not
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 4, 2006 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

according to ESPN same league first
f the club doesn't withdraw the waiver request, the player's contract is assigned in the following manner:

      (A) If only one claim is entered, the player's contract is assigned to that claiming club.

      (B) If more than one club in the same league makes claims, the club currently lower in the standings gets the player.

      (C) If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference shall always go to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

f the club doesn't withdraw the waiver request, the player's contract is assigned in the following manner:

      (A) If only one claim is entered, the player's contract is assigned to that claiming club.

      (B) If more than one club in the same league makes claims, the club currently lower in the standings gets the player.

      (C) If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference shall always go to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think they changed it
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 4, 2006 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?
and there's always a possibility that the Braves take him off waivers, if no one offers a good enough haul.

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i could be wrong
or i could be right.  
confidence level = low
i don't know much about this and i've heard conflicting info...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 4, 2006 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

me neither
I've just googled a few times to see what I find

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIRD OPTION
Braves could just give him up and make team take is salaty. He has been playing much better the past 200 games but before that was struggling.

13.5 Million next year is a lot with all the other wholes the braves have.

Not likely but braves are looking to dump Salary and this is last chance as he would likely exercises veto moving forward.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Aug 4, 2006 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

it can't be LAoA, can it?
They are talking about this over at Hatelow Hell, but they think it's Houston.  The more I think about it the more he doesn't fit with the Angels, who are set in the OF w/the newly-dangerous Rivera, the sparkplug Figgins, and the fearsome Guerrero. I'd imagine the notoriously self-impressed Jones would demand to play CF, but I can't see them moving Fig back to 3B and making their horrid defense even worse than nature intended, nor can I see them dislodging GA (under contract through 2008 I think) from the DH and 4th OF'er spots.  

I don't think Schuerholz would settle for less than Kendrick and Aybar, LAoA's main young studs, if they were to attempt a trade either, so my guess is it's the Astros, who were pressuring Boston last week to trade 3 guys for Jones so they could flip him to Houston for Roy Oswalt.

1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Aug 4, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Houston or even the Giants
I wouldn't be surprised if Sabean made this move.

No way he made it to the AL.

16 teams in the NL passed on a 13 million dollar 50 homer guy?

No way.  50 homers on today's market is a 20 million  dollar commodity.

by The Hypocrite on Aug 4, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reason #2 it wasn't the Angels...
There is no way Beane lets Andrew Jones make it past the A's to the Angels.  Not only that but Seattle and Texas smell blood, have deep pockets, and are looking for that extra 3.5 game push to get past the A's.  They would probably claim him before he ever got to the A's.

by Threepwood XX on Aug 4, 2006 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

The Rangers probably figure
they're just one more hitter away from grabbing the AL pennant.

<chortles>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 4, 2006 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha
Thats as funnay as hell until you realize it's true...then you just feel sorry for the Rangers.

by Threepwood XX on Aug 4, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oakland couldn't do anything to stop 'em
The Angels have the worse record, meaning they get dibs before Oakland.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Aug 4, 2006 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh...
I thought it was going by last years record...sorry.

by Threepwood XX on Aug 4, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

that only happens
during the first month of a season, after that it's the current season

by OaklandSi on Aug 4, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hee hee hee
"The Angels have the worse record." Hee hee hee.

<says it over and over, never stops being tickled>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 4, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Careful Nico
no giggles until the mystery team is named.

You don't want to choke on your own tongue, do you?

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Aug 4, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kkhhackkhh!!!
Gllrckkhaack!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 4, 2006 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why on earth
hasn't Kendall been claimed yet then?  I'm sure we put him on waivers everyday and he has so many intangibles and he's only worth.....

Oh.

"It is like Menudo, where guys reach a certain age and are kicked out of the band. And they go on to be Ricky Martins somewhere else." -Billy Beane

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 4, 2006 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Do not hate
on the father of Fuck You Baseball.
There is no "A" In Fremont. KEEP THE A'S IN OAKLAND!!!!

by RF A-hole on Aug 5, 2006 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh - oh!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Braves Scouts Attended Rangers Game Thursday
According to the Dallas Morning News Seamheads blog, two Braves scouts attended Thursday's Rangers-Angels game.

Evan Grant theorizes that the Rangers may have claimed Andruw Jones to block the Angels.  He also described the scouts' attendance as "unusual."

Said Buster Olney today on Jones:

"If they don't trade him today without getting his approval then they never will be able to.  If Jones is in the lineup against the Reds this afternoon, we'll know he's staying, at least until the offseason."

Who said winning the AL West would be easy?

"-1 is our runs margin after 109 games"

by A s Eh on Aug 5, 2006 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I find it hard to believe
that Jones wouldn't be claimed by an NL team first

by OaklandSi on Aug 5, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

unless it no longer works like that
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 5, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish there was a way to find out
for sure.

And even if the league thing has changed, I still think if multiple teams claim him those with a worse WL record this year would have preference.

and again, it's always possible that the Braves would pull him off waivers.

by OaklandSi on Aug 5, 2006 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

andruw is in the lineup today.
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on Aug 5, 2006 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the line-up
Andruw Jones is batting 4th and playing CF for the Braves in a game due to start any minute now.

by Larry E on Aug 5, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember
Canseco got pulled from the on deck circle.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Aug 5, 2006 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes
it is still possible. What is the exact time of the deadline?

by Larry E on Aug 5, 2006 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

45 minutes ago
"He should have been out for blood, like a two-mouthed bear at a monkey eating contest!" ~ McFood

by Poppy on Aug 5, 2006 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPNews is worthless on this topic.
"He should have been out for blood, like a two-mouthed bear at a monkey eating contest!" ~ McFood

by Poppy on Aug 5, 2006 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

too many words
everything after "worthless" was a waste of your time.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Aug 5, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

many are asking whether the preference
for the same league's teams if more than one team claims a player has been eliminated. So far I've not found any source that answers this claim, although one very recent article by Steve Phillips (Baseball Prospectus, subscription required) claims that the league preference is still the rule.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/08/death_taxes_and_1.php
Keith, one particular area of confusion involves the priority of waiver claims for major league waivers. I've heard from numerous sources that the AL/NL distinction has been eliminated, but multiple news articles (and Steve Phillips just yesterday) say that the claim priority still goes AL teams, then NL teams, for a player waived by an AL team, for example. Which is it?

BTW here's the link to the Phillips article. I think, however, that it was written a year ago.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=phillips_steve&id=2130379&action=logi n&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dphillips_st eve%26id%3d2130379

by OaklandSi on Aug 5, 2006 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Jones is playing today
with Atlanta...doesn't look like they're pulling him out of the lineup either.

I don't think he's going anywhere til at least the end of the season.

by OaklandSi on Aug 5, 2006 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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