Two Out of Three Ain't Bad
Some random thoughts about the closing game...
- Kenny Rogers owns the A's. And I hate that.
- We held the Tigers' offense down until today, which was why winning yesterday's game--even only scoring two runs--was so important. Not to mention, we seem to have the personnel for the marathon-inning games; get to extras and it is truly a whole new game.
- Saarloos was no match for the Tigers today. However, I'm not sure Halsey is the ultimate solution (that, of course, would be Harden). I'm seeing shades of Halsey's relief work when he came in for Saarloos his last time out-- 1.2 IP, 3ER, 2BB. But yes, it wouldn't have taken much to do better than `Loos today.
- I think we need to hire food-tasters before our players have anything to eat. The A's are injury-prone enough without adding "food-poisoning" to the list of reasons players are scratched from the lineup.
- I think I hate leadoff walks almost as much as anything else an opposing batter can do.
- It is very important that we at least split the upcoming four-game series against LAAAA. With fans of our division rivals in Texas posting this, and Seattle fans ready to stage a mutiny against their manager, more and more, it appears that it's boiling down to us and the Angels for the second-half run, as Nico has predicted all along, and our offense, as it currently stands, is not good enough to sustain us the whole way.
- I would think the A's short-term goal is to get to the All-Star break by playing .500 ball and reevaluate at that time.
- What do you all think? Roster adjustment? A trade?
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Kielty
by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 5, 2006 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Will injuries/lack of consistancy prevent this?
by baseballgirl on Jul 5, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
food taster
by smasfan on Jul 5, 2006 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
food poisoning?
by gigglingone on Jul 5, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swish
by Poppy on Jul 5, 2006 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw crap
by gigglingone on Jul 5, 2006 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's just pregnant.
by Poppy on Jul 5, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as long
by hookem street on Jul 5, 2006 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
by oaklandbbfan on Jul 5, 2006 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can get food poisoning
by OaklandSi on Jul 5, 2006 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
by smasfan on Jul 5, 2006 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saarloos hasn't done well lately...
So is Jason Windsor ready? He's gotten the publicity but is he our guy for the near future (before Zito leaves) or for 07'?
by Gerard on Jul 5, 2006 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Windsor could...
Windsor was incredibly overworked during his 2004 NCAA national championship run with Fullerton, and subsequently had arm fatigue and had to be shut down early last season. I think the A's brass, seeing that he could be a really valuable starter in the long-term, will probably want to make sure his arm can handle a full-season of professional ball before they thrust him onto the big stage, overwork him during a heated pennant race and have to shut him down early again.
by Taj Adib on Jul 5, 2006 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strict Pitch Counts
In the playoffs I could envision him facing a few batters, but nothing beyond that at this time.
by Gerard on Jul 5, 2006 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's way too much "flu" in pro sport.
by The Dogfather on Jul 5, 2006 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frequent Libations Undertaken
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2006 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Food poisoning
by iceplant on Jul 5, 2006 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
swisher has been sick since monday. what does
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 5, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is ridiculous. you would think that players
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of A's fan are you!!!!! The Green and
by theblackpearl on Jul 5, 2006 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry i lost my head there for a minute.
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrade at First
The upgrade could happen if the form of a healthy Bradley next week, at which point Swisher moves to first, Bradley to right and Payton & Kielty platoon in left.
If Beane is going to acquire a bat it would in this slot.
I'd bet that Beane is trying to find a bat, it won't be easy though, not with the depleted farm system.
by Dr Pez on Jul 5, 2006 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally
by china bob on Jul 5, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good except,
by AlBowe on Jul 5, 2006 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team values his defense too much?
by GreenSocks on Jul 6, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Theory
So for the players, ever at-bat has become a big at bat. And this happens day after day after day. Their pitchers (usually) give them a great performance and they're under tremendous pressure to make every at bat perfect. That's a recipe for failure.
What's the solution? You got me.
(Maybe Beane should admit he overreacted and bring back the beer. I'm all for responsible drinking, but Beane's go-to-your-room-you're-grounded punishment can't be helping.)
by SportySpice on Jul 5, 2006 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the hourglass
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 5, 2006 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and so
by smasfan on Jul 5, 2006 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
platoon
by KCB on Jul 5, 2006 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
even though today sucked i am very happy about
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i just heard that magglio ordonez is most likely
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley will start his rehab assignment with
by Sharon on Jul 5, 2006 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know
I also think the inactivity of Saarloos does not help him when he is the starting pitcher. Macha knows what the rotation is and if he is not going to use him for awhile then he should give him the opportunity to pitch.
Another beef I have with our team is I think they take way too many pitches. I mean are these other teams that good of guessers that they know what the pitch is so they are able to hit it? I'd like to see the team being a little more aggressive. At least most of them because I know that Kendall will not change.
I agree that this next series is important. Just to see the A's at .500 will be good but I hope Beane takes a hard look at this team and its needs and pulls the trigger on a move to benefit this team,even if it is only for this year I would be happy.
by hookem street on Jul 5, 2006 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
taking pitches
Kotsay and Payton are great players when they are going good but when they aren't... I feel like smacking them over the head with a frying pan when they constantly swing at the first pitch. Especially after someone just walked before them and the pitcher is showing no control.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 5, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use the Jesus Pan to hit them over the heads...
by McFood on Jul 5, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed to me that
My other beef is that I think the relievers should go right at hitters more. When they have 0-2 counts don't throw a waste pitch just so have the sucker.
by hookem street on Jul 5, 2006 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add Kendall to the list
by china bob on Jul 5, 2006 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My complaint is that...
by McFood on Jul 5, 2006 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And we also need
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.
by JLaff on Jul 5, 2006 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{poisons McFood}
by Poppy on Jul 5, 2006 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<applies grip tape to Jesus Pan handle>
by McFood on Jul 5, 2006 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
annoying
I feel Beane will have serious evaluating to do in the next three weeks as the deadline looms.
1. The rotation. Zito and Haren are rocks, and it's doubtful Rich Harden can return and have a serious impact (see Will Carrol's quote posted in various places here on AN). Blanton is a question mark, he's very inconsistent. Loaiza is the same. If they can both put a few QS's before the deadline, i think we'll be solid. I hate Sarloos as a 5th starter. He's admirable and all, but i just don't have any confidence in him. I think Beane would do better to shop for a decent starter at the deadline. Another option i like is calling up Jason Windsor. I love his attitude, and i feel he can handle the rigors of late season pressure play (see: CWS).
2.The offense obviously. Bradley will come back, but for how long? Will Chavez get healthy. Here's how i view things:
At expectations: I think we know what we will get out of Frank Thomas. We know what we'll get from Kendall too (not that it's a good thing). And i feel that once Swisher feels better and clears his head, he'll be a 900 OPS hitter again.
But there are too many question marks:
A)If Bradley is back, i have faith he'll be effective. But when willl he be actally healthy?
B)When will Chavez be fully healthy? I'm confident he'll be effective again providing he's close to 100 percent. He seems to me like he's around 75 percent right now.
C)The outfield-Keilty and Payton are riding hot streaks, but they have shown throughout their careers that they cant sustain this type of production for a whole year. I'm more confident that Kielty will continue to be solid, but not great. Kotsay is a question mark, as he's a mediocre hitter with back problems that inhibit his great defense. That constitutes a problem. I think Beane would do well to deal Payton for some pitching.
D)Middle Infield-Will Ellis catch fire again? He just seems like a different hitter to me, i hope he proves me wrong though. Crosby is lost. Lost in a sense that i won't begin to expect things out of him anymore. It's just frustrating. They are a great defensive infield and question marks on offense. I don't have particularly strong faith in either of them.
E)Dan Johnson. I think he fooled us with a little spurt, but i don't see him being what we need him to be: An 850 OPS first baseman with consistency. Beane would do well to acquire a hitter as well (and the player i'm thinking of has been bounced around on AN)
Basically the offense is almost all question marks.
Here's what i do:
Trade Jay Payton for a decent starting pitcher that is a free agent next year (for some draft picks). If the Rangers decide to give up on the season come july 31st, i have a nice little idea: Yanks get Payton, Texas gets Tyler Clippard and A's get Adam Eaton who is rehabbing now...
Trade for the aforementioned Craig Wilson. Just do it. You may have to use Windsor, but it won't be too big a price. A) He's not playing there and B) He's a free agent next year.
On the flipside, i'd look into acquiring the struggling Juan Pierre. He's also a free agent next year, and i think one of the things the A's truly need is a leadoff hitter. Yes his OBP is horrendous so far this year, but his track record shows he's a good hitter.
Which brings me to: Shop Mark Kotsay. He likes Southern California... what about the Angels? He can be Darin Erstad 2.0. Get a decent prospect, perhaps an Erick Aybar. A's need to shed this salary.
I'd like this:
Pierre (CF)
Swisher (LF)
Chavez
Thomas
Bradley (RF)
Johnson (1B)
Crosby (SS)
Ellis
Kendall
Rotation:
Zito
Haren
Blanton
Loaiza
Eaton
Kielty is the fourth outfielder who should get solid playing time. The bench pretty much stays the same. If we acquire Craig Wilson, it'd be pretty nice. Johnson would be relegated to backup (or even used to acquire Wilson/traded for prospects). The A's save some cash by dealing Kotsay's contract (surely boosting the odds of offering Zito a contract) and Payton, acquire two players who are likely type A free agents. Also add a solid MI prospect.
Another way to go is to get Marcus Giles, another struggling but legit leadoff hitter. He's a good defender as well. Antonio Perez can be dealt, with Scutaro and Ellis playing the role of backup (and one of them can play third if Chavvy is out an extended period).
Pierre
Giles
Chavez
Thomas
Swisher
Bradley
Crosby
Johnson
Kendall
by ohad on Jul 5, 2006 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pierre's track record
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 5, 2006 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second the no-go on Pierre
Random, out of left field name - Kerry Wood. Buy low? Reliever? Just out of total curiosity. His contract ends this year.
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.
by JLaff on Jul 5, 2006 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Harden and Wood...
by McFood on Jul 5, 2006 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then send 'em both to the Yankees
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play Milton in CF
by ohad on Jul 5, 2006 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i the only one that thinks the leadoff position
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not with our offense lately. The leadoff man
by theblackpearl on Jul 5, 2006 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With his OBP
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 9, 2006 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
by ohad on Jul 5, 2006 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Poppy on Jul 5, 2006 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took a break in the middle
by ak_A on Jul 5, 2006 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumpmaster?
by znk916 on Jul 5, 2006 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it's not because he dumps in base hits
Because last year, in spring training, apparently, one of the players said on a radio interview that Mark DeRosa was notorious within the clubhouse for taking the worst dumps on the team.
by znk916 on Jul 5, 2006 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, the Rangers fans have taught me a
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 5, 2006 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
That old senile idiot.
Ok ok. Macha "said" that, i just changed it to "claimed".
by ohad on Jul 5, 2006 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking back...
by baseballgirl on Jul 5, 2006 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kielty raised his average to .304 today
by hehelaughy on Jul 5, 2006 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Macha should make a deal with him: "You play everyday while you are batting over .300, no questions asked..."
by SD Erik on Jul 5, 2006 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Billy should make a deal with him
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 5, 2006 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm happy for kielty. after being sent down to
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see the A's
But Dan Johnson just isn't cutting it--besides the aggregate .250 average (a combination of a .000 average plus a .350 average plus a .200 average), he is on pace to HR 12 times, and he is part of the "no doubles offense" plaguing the A's. A team with Kendall at C and Kotsay in CF can't withstand that.
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree. it's time to let swish play 1st base full
by larrysgurl on Jul 5, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broussard scares me
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chavez espn all-star commercial
by Eric in Atlanta on Jul 5, 2006 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is kind of creepy.
by Sharon on Jul 5, 2006 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we take 3 of 4 from the Angels;
And the Tigers take 2 of 3 from the Mariners;
Then we'll be 3 up on the Rangers, and more than that on the other two teams. Then, we'll get Bradley back after the break, get out of July at or near the top of the division, and then pull away in August.
Check out A's/Angels schedules some time. We have a brutal second half of July; theirs is soft. We have a soft August; theirs is brutal.
The A's just need to take 3 of 4 this weekend, and then, in my opinion, the division is essentially clinched.
It's time to start thinking about the playoff roster.
And there you go, I think I've "broken it down" about as well as any sportstalk radio caller could.
You're welcome.
by RLangford on Jul 5, 2006 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
by Daveed on Jul 5, 2006 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, I was joking
Remember, all that has to happen is that we have to take 3 of 4 from the Angels.
If that happens this weekend, start making plans for the playoffs because we're in. It's a stone-cold lock--if we take 3 or 4.
by RLangford on Jul 5, 2006 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Mariners are losing...
by gdubb925 on Jul 5, 2006 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Knock knock."
"The Angels."
"Crap."
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's like the SNL
"Knock knock"
"Who's there?"
"Candygram"
"They still make those?"
Like with the shark, don't be fooled - opening the door will only lead to bad things.
by salb918 on Jul 5, 2006 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After All.... Jeff Weaver is GONE.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2510568
by louismg on Jul 5, 2006 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels
I don't take the Mariners seriously. The Rangers have a bad history of wilting in the summer heat. The Angels... blecch. This upcoming series is important.
by bear88 on Jul 5, 2006 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know how credible, but
I'm curious whether or not he piques people's interest, and if it does, what people think it would take to get him from Arizona.
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Problem - $$$
Pass. (Sadly, he -- like Craig Wilson -- would be one of the best hitters on our team.)
by salb918 on Jul 5, 2006 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side,
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which sucks more?
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I knew I would have to elaborate
by znk916 on Jul 5, 2006 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats just show
Seriously, he's certainly past his prime and is in that "Aubrey Huff" area of being better than average but not "Wow" exciting. Which is why we could actually hope to get him. We would be rolling the dice that he will improve (change of scenery + pennant race) or at least stay where he is, rather than going Gant-Karros on us.
At 34, I'd say the odds are in our favor, and that most importantly he would instantly become one of the better hitters in our lineup.
I'm not advocating that we go trade for him, though--just suggesting it's not a crazy name to throw out there.
by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<yaks down anti crow-hopping pill>
by ak_A on Jul 5, 2006 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be Kendall all over again
by znk916 on Jul 5, 2006 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top prospects who didn't pan out
by iglew on Jul 6, 2006 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can hardly say
by ohad on Jul 6, 2006 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He left out a key word
Actually I shouldn't have included Morneau in the names above, since the Twins held onto him despite his disappointing '05 season. However I think it's very interesting to note that they slotted him 6th from the start of the year, and kept him there until early last month when they actually demoted him to 7th for a few games because he was struggling. Predictably he busted out with a couple huge games, and earned a promotion up to the 5th slot where he has been for the past month.
In contrast, Macha has had Crosby batting in the heart of the order (3 through 5) pretty much all season long, despite the fact that he hardly deserves such a spot based on his production. Sure he got hot for a few weeks last year, but that's hardly enough production to merit an automatic spot in the heart of the order. It looked like a smart move at the time when he was going well, but isn't there such a thing as playing yourself out of a spot? Especially for a young player without a proven track record to fall back on?
Granted it's not like we have significantly better options, but we do have veteran options (Payton is an obvious choice at the moment given his hot right-handed bat) at the least and I think it would really benefit Crosby's development if we dropped him back to 6th or 7th and took the pressure off him. Really, would it hurt to do so considering how awful our offense already is?
Unless Beane is calling all the shots from upstairs, I think Macha should get alot of the blame for how he's handled Crosby. Anyone else remember how slowly we brought along Tejada or Chavez long ago?
Just to throw another name out there, the Mets buried David Wright for the first half of last year in the 6th and 7th slots. Granted alot of people were killing Wille Randolph for burying him there when he was arguably already the most consistent hitter on the team, but you look at the stats now and it sure looks like Willie did the right thing in making Wright earn his way into a spot in the heart of the order.
This should've been a diary but uh yeah...maybe someone reads this. 
by znk916 on Jul 6, 2006 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent points
by monkeyball on Jul 6, 2006 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You thought that was compelling
1) Crosby has batted 209/223/308 in 91 AB in the #3 spot. He's hit 271/349/406 in 192 AB when batting anywhere else in the line-up.
OR
2) Oaktoon thought it was a good idea for Crosby to bat 3rd in the line-up.
If neither of those points can convince you that Crosby should not bat 3rd, than nothing will.
by grover on Jul 6, 2006 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I saw that rumor and thought about us as well. I also agree that he's been putting up a fairly empty .300 avg built on singles for awhile now. I think we'd have to get used to seeing a lot of grounders and popouts w/ men in scoring position and accept the fact that we'd never see any extra-base hits......wait a second!!!!!!
That being said, he would immediately become our best hitter. Go A's!!!!
by Tony on Jul 5, 2006 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ethier is great!!!
its funny, he was struggling until the dodgers series in oakland, A's series got him back on track. maybe bradley can play a week healthy, i'll settle for a healthy series
by CaliAsFan on Jul 5, 2006 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A matter of when not if
I 'm with some of the above posts in that Swish needs to be the starting 1B. Send DJ to the bench and ride Kielty and Payton while they are warm/hot. Macha also needs to at least make an attempt to bunch the hot hitters together in the lineup. There's no harm in dropping Kotsay or Swish while they are struggling.
The question is where the team needs and addition - pitching or offense? If we can get an OF or 1B.
by Gabriels Daddy on Jul 5, 2006 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pepto Bismol?
by Amnesiac727 on Jul 6, 2006 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis has a Granderson-sized growth on his knee...
by Elvez on Jul 6, 2006 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell did DJ win the triple crown at Sacto?
by Tony on Jul 5, 2006 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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