AN Community Guidelines?

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:20 PM PDT

http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/7/3/132032/8850

"batman" writes a diary comparing US troops to Nazis and those who "support the troops" to Nazi sympathizers, and his diary is merely edited to remove any comments that violate the community guidelines?

this doesn't seem to be the same treatment that other people get when they violate AN's community guidelines.
for example, a few days ago, some ANer posted a diary attacking baseballgirl and the diary was deleted, i'm assuming his account was deleted as well. why wasn't the offensive material simply "removed per Community Guidelines" as in this case?

and what does that even mean, "removed per Community Guidelines"? where in the community guidelines does it say that if you write something that violates the guidelines, that is all that will happen to you?

is it because louismg is one of the people who has the power to make these decisions and was defending batman's comments?

what happened here? was batman contacted and asked to remove the offensive material? did louismg unilaterally remove it? will offensive diaries not be completely deleted from now on or is this an exception?

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xbx

I asked Louis to edit the diary and take the comments out. As batman appears to be a newer poster, I'm not even sure he knows about the guidelines. So, I emailed him to inform him as to why his diary was edited. The rest of the diary was fine, imho.

Now, I'm going to get back to writing the first half grades and preparing for an interview I have this week.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 2:30 PM PDT reply actions

it seems to me

that a many users who write diaries that violate the guidelines are new, and probably don't know about the guidelines. yet i can't think of another case where a diary was edited instead of being deleted, or where the user's account was NOT deleted in a case like this.

for example, the person who wrote a diary attacking baseballgirl: he was new to AN, the diary was deleted, AND his account was deleted as well.
so if he had written anything else in that diary that was acceptable ("baseballgirl sucks, and beane shouldn't have signed loaiza"), the diary wouldn't have been deleted? more importantly, his account wouldn't have been deleted?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions

There's a difference

between troll and someone trying to write something legit.

In my judgment, batman was trying to write something legit and included a political comment where there was no need to have one. I didn't judge it as being malicious.

And that's my call.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Next time then

Make sure you use this too.

by znk916 on Jul 3, 2006 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions

<snicker>

Tony LaRussa:"If you have the horses, you'll win. If you don't, you'll lose." Me: "We're missing some ponies!"

by baseballgirl on Jul 3, 2006 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions

Someone talked trash on BBG?

well..I confess, he wasnt deleted, I took him out back, beat the snot out of him, and threw him in the river. he wasnt deleted...he is now simply, well..dead

"They don't wanna get smacked upside the head with the Jesus Pan" - Poppy

by Amnesiac727 on Jul 3, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Can I keep you?

I like you.

Tony LaRussa:"If you have the horses, you'll win. If you don't, you'll lose." Me: "We're missing some ponies!"

by baseballgirl on Jul 3, 2006 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions

lucky for you, I come in pocket size versions

"They don't wanna get smacked upside the head with the Jesus Pan" - Poppy

by Amnesiac727 on Jul 3, 2006 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Other situations I can't say, but if you were to d

delete the parts of the baseballgirl diary, that violated the CGV, which deals with personal attacks at people, then what is left of that diary. Where if you removed the objectional parts from batman's diary, you still have baseball referencing notes. I also can't speak to whether batman has received strikes, but it is that persons business.

by theblackpearl on Jul 3, 2006 2:33 PM PDT reply actions

that diary is just one example

there have been numerous diaries that violated the AN community guidelines and were completely deleted.

and in most cases, the user had their account deleted, unlike batman. and most of those users were new to AN, like batman. i'm wondering what makes this case different from all the others...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Almost always

those diaries involved personal attacks and nothing of substance. Just so you realize that, xbx.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions

see second paragraph

of my response to your other comment.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions

By the way

batman would have to be reported in order to receive a strike. If a diary is nothing but a personal attack, I can make the judgment to remove it and/or ban according to the CG's:

General Disclaimer: What is written above are guidelines that help to explain the policies, procedures, and processes AN generally uses. It is entirely at Blez' discretion how to interpret and implement these guidelines, which are subject to change at any time.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 2:36 PM PDT reply actions

so there are no negative consequences

(aside from the removal of the Nazi comments from the original diary) unless batman is reported by someone and receives a strike?

so batman would have to be reported by other ANers for comments that have been deleted and are no longer visible?

the relevant portion of the diary was only there for like 20 minutes, i'm sure the vast majority of ANers didn't even see it...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions

If you feel so strongly about it

report him. Bottom line.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions

does one have to have seen a comment

personally, in order to report it?

how does one report a comment that no longer exists?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Exactly.

When reporting a CGV you have to include a link to the violation. The comment was deleted, what do we do?

by Jennifer on Jul 3, 2006 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions

As a test, I have just reported

a tree that fell in a forest when no one was there to hear it, on a charge of "disturbing the peace". I'll let you know the results.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions

i applaud your test

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

<strains and turns ear>

What?

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions

this is all too much for me...

oops

by DMOAS on Jul 3, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Enough people saw it

that you wouldn't have to include a link. If one of the admin people edit it, that means they've seen it.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions

I guess this is a good place to ask

What happened to athletics lax?

by rubin sierra on Jul 3, 2006 3:20 PM PDT reply actions

nothing that I know of

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions

He had a thought that

almost contradicted a point I was once thinking of making, so Cindi went ahead and banned his cat.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Damn cats.

They almost as bad as hybrid bear killing machines.

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Jul 3, 2006 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions

There are machines

that kill hybrid bears?

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions

i was thinking

mechanical bears that kill hybrid cars...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions

No no no

these are genetically engineered poodle-bears whose warped origins
have naturally made them Luddites.

"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Jul 3, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions

I just noticed that

all his comments disappeared.

by rubin sierra on Jul 3, 2006 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions

A's Lax

Deleted his account because he's getting a new job and didn't want anything he might have said to surface. Not that he did/say anything illegal, but he just wanted a clean slate. I thought he'd make a new account..

July 11th... My.....Space?

by ohad on Jul 4, 2006 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

So you're saying that

if my employer does a quick Google search, they will learn that I drink all morning and carouse with farm animals all night?

Oh well. I'm too drunk, and too tired from last night, to care.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 4, 2006 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Double standard AN?

It seems to me the CG are applied inconsistently, sporadically, and unjustly.

A while back, someone (I forget who) posted a diary on the Bush adminstration's violation of law and the Patriot Act when the news broke out that Bush and his buddies have been routinely listening in on phone conversations without the proper warrants.

The poster even said something like "I know this is a violation of the CG but I feel strongly about this and if I get in trouble too bad!" Well the diary stayed up and was even in the recommended section.

I thought this was a good thing b/c I think it's important such violations of law by our so-called leaders should be well publicized and condemned. But, that message was purely political and I do not recall the message being deleted or people asking for the poster to be disciplined or banned. Was this b/c everyone agreed with the diary? Probably.

So what this example tells me is that when everyone agrees with a political statement, then then the CG is ignored; when people are upset by it, as with Batman's comment, then heads need to roll. I think this is totally unfair, hypocritical and unjust. The policies should be applied consistently or not at all. Otherwise, AN looks like it's taking sides on a political issue.

For instance, I think nobody would be upset by the following statement "Barry Zito's Strikeout For Troops is a great program designed to help war veterans!" But many people would probably be upset if I said: "It's a shame that this F'd up government doesn't give a rat's ass about the troops it sends to fight an imperialistic war desgned to conquer middle eastern oil. This govt. should do more for its wounded warriors" But in reality, both are political statements, and both address the issue of helping vetrans. I agree one statement is "more" political than the other. Still, should both statements be banned? Under a consistent application of the CG, yes. But I think one would be tolerated and accepeted(the former) and one wouldn't.

My point: If you have a CG, apply it consistently; if not then get rid of it b/c then it looks like AN is taking sides.

p.s. I am disappointed that more ANers are not knowledgeable enough to see that Batman's comment was closer to the truth that what you see on Fox news. Sad.

by oaktownmario on Jul 3, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions

that diary was deleted

You may have missed it, but it was deleted.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions

So there's no double standard

political discussions belong on political blogs.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions

My concern

is that the diary was not "immediately" deleted and if I recall was on the site for more than 24 hours. I also recall it was in the recommended diaries section, showing that whoever was in charge should have seen it sooner [I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but the fact that the diary was on the site for a long period of time could wrongfully send the message that it was "acceptable" political content].

That was also one example. My point is that if the rule is no politics, then it should be no politics period.

by oaktownmario on Jul 3, 2006 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions

CG States No Politics

The following are simply not acceptable on AN (excepting, in some cases, for obvious humor between people with an existing rapport); they violate AN's Community Guidelines, and are subject to sanction as outlined below...

Comments that bring politics into AN (which is a non-political blog), e.g., "Bush/Clinton ruined this country by...," "Check out this link about the war in Iraq," etc.

I don't recall that specific diary, but you can be assured that there is no double standard, as Blez mentioned above. Those who monitor such things couldn't come to a consensus on politics themselves anyway.

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by louismg on Jul 3, 2006 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions

That's an excellent point...

In all seriousness, this site's writers are about as diverse as it is possible to be on every important topic, whether it be religion, politics, or Ken Macha's managerial abilities.

When people are unhappy with something on AN, the first thing we hear is, "Oh, you guys just have an agenda". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth, which I think is AWESOME.

It lends diversity to the site when about all we really agree on is our love for the Oakland A's and our belief that everyone has the right not to be attacked, whether or not we agree with what they believe or post.

Tony LaRussa:"If you have the horses, you'll win. If you don't, you'll lose." Me: "We're missing some ponies!"

by baseballgirl on Jul 3, 2006 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Well the problem is that

I can't monitor the site 24/7 and usually the people who do monitor the site don't do that. We get to it as soon as we can. Unfortunately, it's the Internet and people are checking the site all the time. I apologize that it was left up there for so long...but I can assure you that we try and take politics out of all the discussions as much as humanly possible because that can divide AN.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions

The fact that one diary

got dealt with sooner than another has nothing to do with the content of either diary--it just speaks to the fact that one diary was noticed sooner. Remember, Blez has 4x as many front-page writers/helpers as he had around this time last year.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions

oaktownmario, I'm kind of

an "outsider" on this issue, as I didn't make any decisions and didn't even see the diary while it was generating buzz, but it seems to me as if this was a "No good deed goes unpunished" situation.

Had the diary appeared on one of my days, I would have deleted it entirely simply because it contained something that was strictly political in nature and likely to be inflammatory. (Whether I agreed with the statement or not would be completely irrelevant.) I would then have emailed batman privately and invited him to re-post it if he wanted to remove the politically inciting aspect.

I gather that what louismg was doing was trying to preserve 4/5 of the diary, rather than delete it entirely. In doing this "good deed," he appears to have upset people more than if he had just deleted it entirely, or left it entirely and let batman (possibly) get a complaint lodged against him.

All I can say on your main point is that in my time as an "insider" I have never observed any of the site managers to act based on their own personal views. In fact, I think everyone is careful to consciously make sure not to. But that's just my POV.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions

It was deleted

Nico. It may not have been deleted as quickly as this one was edited, but it was taken down. Unfortunately, I'm not always at my computer so I can't always react as quickly on all of the diaries that violate the community guidelines.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 3, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions

I know, Blez--I wasn't

referencing that diary in any way (I don't even know which one it is--I may never have seen it).

My point to oaktownmario is that I think louismg's intentions were noble, whether or not a given user agrees with the action.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions

My $.02

I think the situation was handled well. There was no need to nuke the rest of the diary so it wasn't. I like the idea that the deletion was very selective. I also thought that as a noob, Batman was treated fairly.

Oaktownmario, the statement "Barry Zito's Strikeout For Troops is a great program designed to help war veterans!" is not support for the war: it's support for the people who are called to fight it. It's really about a program looking after the welfare of veterans fighting the war. You can oppose the war but still feel that troops should be treated well. As far as I can tell, supporting the troops is a apolitical.

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 3, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't want to get into politics but . . .

I wouldn't say "I support US troops" because I don't support:

Killing civilians (a fact)
Killing civilians and placing guns by their dead bodies to hide the fact they were civilians (also a fact)
The type of disgusting behavior in the military prisons engaged in by US troops (sexual degradation, etc.)

To answer your question: Saying blidnly "I support the troops" is itself political. Do you support them doing this kind of stuff? Remember all the troops are there voluntarily, not drafted.

by oaktownmario on Jul 3, 2006 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions

As someone who was in the military, you are in the

military voluntarily, but you can't decide where you go. They decide for you. They say you are going to Iraq, and you go.

by theblackpearl on Jul 3, 2006 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions

You're condemning all the troops

for the bad deeds of a few. Most try to do their jobs professionally. Saying you support the welfare of people who are compelled to risk their lives doing a job and who then get wounded or experience other hardships in the process are not the same things as taking a position on the war. You can support or oppose the war and still care about the people serving.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. Feel free to e-mail if you want to know how I really feel about the war.

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 3, 2006 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions

I support the citizens of Oakland

even tho many of the residents have committed the offences listed above.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 3, 2006 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions

A very naughty monkey

that's who..

I remember that diary and made several comments against it and for it's removal. I was surprised and peeved that it was up for as long as it was, not sure if it was over 24hrs.

I don't know why certain ppl feel it is necessary to shove their political feelings and beliefs down the throughts of others.

I'm here to discuss the A's with other A's fans. If you want to rant, go to the DailyKos, but don't bring that crap here.

by sf drift king on Jul 5, 2006 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions

As an Army officer

and OIF veteran, I have no objections to batman's opinion, because it is simply that - opinion. If he believes that I and my fellow Soldiers are nothing more than Nazi Stormtroopers, he is free in this country to express that belief. IMO, this whole country could stand to learn tolerance of others - other opinions, beliefs, religions, lifestyles, etc.

That being said, AN is not intended to be the forum for such debate. The decision to edit out the political content but maintain the remaining baseball discussion - which is appropriate for this site - was the correct one.

"Do you ever get down on your knees and thank God you know me and have access to my dementia?" - George Costanza

by Awesomus on Jul 3, 2006 5:00 PM PDT reply actions

Very well said Capt.

I agree with you .

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 5, 2006 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions

AN is heating up

A nice break from the tedium of another loss in which we get four hits and we can't decide who we hate more: the guys who are injured, the guys who are playing and injured, or the guys who are playing and we wish were injured.

by RLangford on Jul 3, 2006 5:02 PM PDT reply actions

Someone should pull this diary

I am not joking!!!

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 5:18 PM PDT reply actions

what are you talking about?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Now that's unfair, X--

Asking the one question he never knows the answer to.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Gee what happens if I report you?

I already know the awnser to that...

And diary is too political which was my point.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions

how is my diary at all political?

some of the comments in the diary are political, and based on that you're saying this diary should be deleted?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 3, 2006 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Your diary was not Political

but it spawned a political discussion.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 4, 2006 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions

why?

"VORP? Not a clue what that is. But if it's good, I'll take it!"

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 3, 2006 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Well I must respond

As my exact comments have been pulled but the comments that link me to "threatening someones life"
remain I must respond:

I MADE NO DEATH THREAT!!!!

That is insulting and frankly libelous content.

I simply wished he would die and never see another baseball game. For a full list of people i wish would die and to see if you made the list visit.

WWW.peopleIhopediesoon.com

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 5:26 PM PDT reply actions

You are correct, novaoakland--

What some have termed a "death threat" was in fact a "death wish". Very different.

However, you may want to look up the definition of "libel" before throwing it around, as no libel was committed.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions

I assure you I used it correctly.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions

No, you used "libel"

when the accurate word to use would have been "incorrect".

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions

HOW you figure?

That statement is defmaitory.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 3, 2006 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions

To defame someone,

a statement has to be "knowingly false," not just inaccurate, and it has to actually bring measurable harm to the "defamed" person. The statement you're referring to did neither.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions

I think it was made on purpose

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 4, 2006 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions

Not quite true

A defamatory statement only has to be "knowingly false", i.e. made with actual malice, with regards to a public figure or official. If it's just an average joe, then he only needs to show the statement was made negligently.

Falsely accusing someone of an act of moral terpitude is libel per se.

Of course, on the flip side, you could try to argue that novaoakland IS a public figure in the AN community. :)

by bigthree17 on Jul 4, 2006 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions

If libel has been committed

the libeller is still off scott free unless the damaged party can show proof of economic loss.

by RevHalofan on Jul 4, 2006 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions

I am home crying

so upset I can not go to work?
Does that count.

Why don't they just lick their fingers? --

by novaoakland on Jul 5, 2006 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions

On other Boards, sometimes...

...they deal with chronic problem-posters by just whiting-them-out, so that they can see their comments, but nobody else can.

So, if nobody's responding to you...

Dribble a little water along, and we might be mistook for ducklings--Silas Adams

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2006 5:44 PM PDT reply actions

So that's why nobody has been responding to me!

"74Oakland A's - Best Team Ever" - Homer Simpson

by secret ASian man on Jul 4, 2006 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions

That's not why...

It's the lacking haiku Fridays that has the community in a tissy.

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by louismg on Jul 4, 2006 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions

Problem is

I'm still adusting to a work schedule.

Seven years of college where I never registered for a class before 10 AM and now I have a job that starts at 7:30 AM (which means I have to wake up a 6 AM). To make matters worse, I doing a show at Berkeley Opera and I don't get out of rehearsals until 10 which means I don't get home until 11 when means I don't got to bed until midnight. I've been pulling 18 hour days for the last three weeks.

Right now, I'm just a little too burnt out to summon the creative juices.

Haiku Fridays will be back, just not now.

"74Oakland A's - Best Team Ever" - Homer Simpson

by secret ASian man on Jul 4, 2006 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Ok People What the heck is going on Here

I am not sure what to make of all this. As a fairly new member, and only part time poster maybe my opinion doesnt count for all that much, however...
It seems that everyone agrees with the fact that political comments dont belong on this site. We talk about baseball, thats it. Real simple. So to have such obviously political statements erased is the correct thing to do. Leaving the rest of the diary makes sense because it talks about baseball.
I do not believe in a double standard here at AN, have seen no evidence to prove that. With some of the comments its seems that the comparisons being used as "political statement not deleted" are, well subject to interpretation of your subject matter. Which in essence is the whole point of this argument. All comments and diarys are subject to Editors review and their interpretation. Period. If we dont like that we dont have to stay here.
I personally dont think the editors do a bad job, however even when something is done that i might not agree with i am not going to insinuate that a hidden agenda exists. It clearly does not, other wise there would be more examples of it.
Also i thinks there is a difference between statements that are open to interpretation, and personal attacks on ANYONE here. Any such attack deserves to be removed ASAP and certainly in my opinion, there would be no strike, the person would just be removed. I do not think you can apply that kind of action to someone writing a statement you disapprove of, or against someone for an action they took.
In my humble opinion although i dont agree with everything here i read, I applaud the AN editors for doing such a great job with this site and for keeping it such an esential part of our lives.
Thank You Blez, Nico, Baseballgirl, Louismg and anyone else i might have missed for the work you put in keeping this community going

Now please can we get back to Baseball???

by Mantecan As Fan on Jul 3, 2006 6:03 PM PDT reply actions

Thank you, Mantecan As Fan,

and well said, IMO. And for the record, your opinion counts for plenty. Thanks for weighing in with a voice of reason.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2006 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Play Ball!

The Last Lieutenant remaining in the "Armas Army"

by str8tarrow on Jul 4, 2006 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions

GET OUT!

You mean media, even FREE media is...gasp...biased!?

No way. I refuse to believe it.

"Dad? Where's this 'Toledo' and why is it Holy?"

by Mike Gallego is my Hero on Jul 3, 2006 6:26 PM PDT reply actions

so yea

anybody got a new charles thomas joke/analogy so i can defend him?

"my swagger is mick jagger" - ghostface

by ucla kid on Jul 3, 2006 10:16 PM PDT reply actions

X?

Why didn't you mail these questions to Blez instead of making this diary? All of this could have been discussed with you privately.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 4, 2006 1:29 AM PDT reply actions

why would i do that?

this isn't a private issue between blez and i.

mail? what is this, the 80s?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 4, 2006 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions

dude, dont be such a smart donkey

you know what he ment.

"They don't wanna get smacked upside the head with the Jesus Pan" - Poppy

by Amnesiac727 on Jul 4, 2006 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions

she/and or he

"They don't wanna get smacked upside the head with the Jesus Pan" - Poppy

by Amnesiac727 on Jul 4, 2006 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions

She.

The suffix "gal" on her username is a dead giveaway... ;)

"WHAT IS LARRY DAVIS WEARING?!?!?! It's not tie-dyed!!!!" ~ gigglingone

by Poppy on Jul 4, 2006 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah I figured but my mommy always told me

Assume only makes an ass out of U and Me

"They don't wanna get smacked upside the head with the Jesus Pan" - Poppy

by Amnesiac727 on Jul 4, 2006 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Thanks for you vote of confidence Poppy.

and Yes I am a woman. I was going to choose the sn IM4Oak but decided to add the gal because I always like knowing if I am responding to a man or a woman so I thought maybe others felt the same.

and X? If you read this I think You know that I meant email. I see no reason why these differences with Blez'z (or Nico,BBG,or Louis)editorial decisions need to be aired publicly. JMO.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 5, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions

she AND he?

was the ID "IM4OakHerm" not available?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 4, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions

I don't understand

why some people feel compelled to put in their personal views about politics in a baseball blog, it makes no sense to me. I guess they want someone to think their views are important when they are not.

by china bob on Jul 4, 2006 9:16 AM PDT reply actions

I have to confess,

I find the whole issue to be "much ado about nothing".

As one of the site-managers who, like all the others, has a "real job," some days (like weekend days) I can check on the site often and other days I may go from 9:00am to 5:00pm without seeing AN at all, as "real life" gets in the way.

And while none of the 4 site administrators lets their own personal views dictate what is deleted and what is left alone, different people will have different judgment, causing the decisions to vary slightly from day to day.

I know that some days I see a diary minutes after it is posted, and other days not for several hours. I also know that I have acted on more comments whose views I agreed with than comments whose views I disagreed with, using the standard "Is this contrary to the CGs or disruptive to the community?"

AN is not managed by professional ANologists; it is managed by a bunch of veteran users committed to doing the best they can to uphold the site's mission and guidelines in the limited time they have for this hobby or "extra gig".

That's the reality.

I like Cindi. A.She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 4, 2006 9:29 AM PDT reply actions

Personally, I hate seeing deleted diaries

It totally makes me feel like I've missed out on something

"the poop stain on the collective AN pantalones." -ohad

by ArakSOT on Jul 5, 2006 7:42 AM PDT reply actions

If you can see a deleted diary,

then you have super-powers...Use them for good, not evil!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions

I feel the same way

that strange alluring gap in the Recommended Diaries... it's hard waiting for AN to come out on DVD, so we can see the Outtakes and Bloopers.

by Apricot on Jul 5, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Then you'll love the ABC special:

Behind The Scenes At AN--The Real Story.

"Though readers saw Nico's humorous side, only Blez saw the dark, rage-filled blogger that was becoming a slave to alcohol. When louismg confronted baseballgirl and said she was 'enabling' Nico by covering for him on days he was too drunk to write, the AN team was officially in disarray and Blez' chronic bed-wetting got worse as he anxiously pondered the next move..."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 5, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions