"Is it game over for Milton Bradley?" -- Mychael Urban
And so it begins.
After stumbling while rounding first base on Wednesday, Bradley appeared to be injured, and badly. So pronounced was his limp that he that he didn't even try to get back to the base, so the throw from the outfield to shortstop to first base got there in plenty of time for Bradley to be tagged out.As he was being carried off the field, it looked like Bradley was headed for another stint on the DL. But no. There must have been some kind of medical magician in the dugout, because Bradley was back out on defense the next inning, even diving for a ball.
So the fans let him have it, and rightly so.
It put a huge damper on a nice win for the A's, and while none of his teammates would go on the record (nor would Bradley, who didn't talk after the Boston game, either), it was clear that they are tired of Bradley's act.
They're also tired of Macha playing the role of enabler.
Weird... Until Saturday, Bradley had been on his best behavior. Of course, it's easy to behave when you're on the disabled list, which is where Bradley has been for most of the year.
Is anyone else confused by that? He was on his best behavior until Saturday, but the team is already tired of him? So, the incidents since that day have been such an annoyance that Bradley is...
...becoming a bigger problem by the day. And if the problem isn't nipped in the bud, the A's won't be in first place much longer. Is there more to this story? And have certain players actually gone to Urban and told him how they felt?About a month ago, Urban wrote this:
Bradley, meanwhile, is now on the DL for the second time this year. He's missed 44 of Oakland's 72 games, and he's still looking for his first double the season. On the bright side, he hasn't bitten anyone's head off, and that was a legitimate fear when the A's picked him up. His teammates seem to genuinely like him, too.Then again, if you can't make nice with everyone while batting .213 and spending more time in the trainers' room than on the field, you really ARE crazy.
(emphasis mine)I am very confused. And unfortunately, I'll be away for most of the day.
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Blah blah blah
I respect Mr. Urban and appreciate his "inside-the-clubhouse" access. But the tone of this article makes it seem like Urban has a bone to pick with Bradley. In particular, "...it's easy to behave when you're on the disabled list, which is where Bradley has been for most of the year" comes off as unneccesarily aggressive.
If true, however, I can't help but to call the team out on this one. What exactly needs to be nipped in the bud? What are his teammates growing tired of? Offensive production? Good at-bats? Occasional flashes of power? A strong throwing arm? Without these things, the A's won't be in first place much longer.
Don't even get me started on Macha-as-enabler. If these comments originated from Kotsay and Kendall, as I suspect they did, then they'll be on my shit-list. Mssrs. Kotsay and Kendall have been the ultimate beneficiaries of Macha-the-enabler; Kotsay volunteering to play first and then bitching about it later and Kendall continuing to catch an ungodly number of innings despite the weakest bat in the league.
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 7:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If it was Kotsay...
He seemed supportive of Bradley yesterday, and I'll be annoyed if he was one of the players.
That being said, I found it weird that Kotsay's "bitching" wasn't more of a story. Urban's recap was the only one that made it seem like it was an issue.
by Sharon on Jul 20, 2006 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay quote
"I don't think this club feels it's a distraction whatsoever,'' Kotsay said. "I like his fire. This club the last couple of years hasn't had that kind of fire from an individual.''"
by eamb on Jul 20, 2006 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was Kendall ...
I'm not saying it is Kendall, though. Nor am I saying that even if it is that Bradley should do anything.
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last month . . .
by bluelightrain84 on Jul 20, 2006 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too, saw the same thing...
I think this was the getaway game, the Thursday afternoon game, which we won with Esteban on the mound. It was a dull, hot afternoon at Milton's old stomping grounds, and it looked like he just wanted to have some fun with the crowd.
Fine.
The problem, however, lays in situations like Boston and Baltimore, where Milton's antics are returned with swearing, slurs and objects thrown at him. That's when Milton gets distracted and, even worse, when his teammates get distracted as well.
I don't have the answer to this, but from the looks of things, Milton being unable to "take it as well as he gives it out" is the problem.
Fun with fans is fine for Milton, as it has been with hundreds of other ballplayers over the years. But when it gets personal, it looks like Milton doesn't know how to put on the earmuffs. My best answer is what he did the other night: alert the authorities.
But that gets old, other fans take note, and it then happens everywhere. I guess earmuffs are the only option.
by RyanFromBonas on Jul 20, 2006 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got . . .
by bluelightrain84 on Jul 20, 2006 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
call the TEAM out?
But I agree 100% with you on the putative Kendall-Kotsay-Macha issue.
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit harsh
I mean, everything was fine till Saturday, using Urban's words, and now it's an unmitigated disaster? Seems a little strong to me...
by EastCoastA on Jul 20, 2006 7:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is from the Urban Files: Gossip Corner
by eamb on Jul 20, 2006 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Urban probably didn't like Bradley
by franks a lot on Jul 20, 2006 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit the nail on the head
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 20, 2006 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found this in an old Urban "Mailbag"
"Easy choice: Milton Bradley not talking to the media the day he reported. For a guy who (a) has image problems and (b) said, on the day that he was acquired, that he was approachable, it seemed like a really odd move. The way I see it, the only way to get skeptical fans on your side is to let them get to know you, and speaking to the media is the easiest way to do that."
by franks a lot on Jul 20, 2006 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sounds right on to me
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused too...
"...while none of his teammates would go on the record (nor would Bradley, who didn't talk after the Boston game, either), it was clear that they are tired of Bradley's act."
But from this article by Susan Slusser...
Sorry, but isn't that two of Bradley's teammates going on the record?
And THIS was in Urban's own piece on the A's website:
Kotsay said the comments he's heard hurled Bradley's way are "as antagonizing" as he's ever heard, "mainly about incidents from his past; just comment after comment after comment."
And this (also from Urban):
"You've just got to leave them alone and let them be who they are," Thomas said. "All the fiery guys I've played with, they play better when they're like that."
Mychael's contradicting himself. Does he mean that no one will go on the record with criticism ? Because that's not how the sentence reads, to me. Maybe I'm misreading it.
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what caught my attention, too
by ArakSOT on Jul 20, 2006 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing that bothers me...
It was "clear" to whom? If none of the players will go on record about how "tired of it" they are, shouldn't Urban illustrate the point for us, as to why it seems to be "clear" to him? He's a writer, ffs. Write about it.
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in the examiner piece
by ArakSOT on Jul 20, 2006 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to admit, but
Watching Ethier rake for the Dodgers has got to be one of the hardest things for me this year - With Bradley's injury problems and Perez' plate problems, it feels like we gave up all our minor league depth for a few band-aids for our beat-up starters.
Bynum, Rheinecker, Ethier, Watson to Japan, ... all those guys, left this year. And what happened to Ginter?
If my trust in Beane has ever been challenged, this year has been it.
by popcornjames on Jul 20, 2006 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More
Since then, he's continued to prove he's Milton Bradley, showing moments of great athletic talent, and a fiery demeanor that teammates say -- at least publicly-- brings the best out of his performance.
(Emphasis mine)
by Jennifer on Jul 20, 2006 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of us expect good teammates...
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A LOT of stuff happens
by Jennifer on Jul 20, 2006 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure...
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was in college,
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was that middle part again?
by McFood on Jul 20, 2006 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a reference to the movie...
by McFood on Jul 20, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ca-ca-cahhh-carhhhh-carhhhhhhh
by ak_A on Jul 20, 2006 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poppy's quote
I was thinking the same thing. I've read the excerpt a couple times now and each time I've read it it seems more and more like Urban is creating a story rather than just reporting one that's already there.
I know there's a lot we don't see, but I'm willing to give Bradley the benefit of the doubt until a name (teammate, Macha, Beane) is attached to one of these criticisms.
by TurnTwo on Jul 20, 2006 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why haven't I ever heard of this paper
by Zonis on Jul 20, 2006 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? THAT's an excellent question...
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you heard of
by xbhaskarx on Jul 21, 2006 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Take
Bradley's emotional baggage makes me think that he externalizes his emotional fire in the form of injury. His attention-getting behavior does two things. It makes players and fans think, "what's wrong," first and then they see he's okay. His acts of "crying wolf" have grown old with previous team-mates. He couldn't be in a more supportive environment in Oakland.
Kotsay's comments to the press reveal that players are aware of his thin skin, and were actually upset at Baltimore management for not stoppping the chirping from the crowd. Players appear to still support him and rightfully so. His previous charges of bigotted teammates hasn't surfaced nor will it.
Milton Bradley remains an immature athlete who has great talent. As long as he doesn't start blaming the A's front office for his issues, his "act" will continue to be tolerated. This team needs his kind of productivity. If Beane can replace him, I suggest sooner than later, before he becomes untradeable.
by Gerard on Jul 20, 2006 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He may have
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 20, 2006 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible that he indeed
He couldn't be in a better situation and I am still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
When he gets back to Oaktown, let's get his "back" and let him know he's supported and appreciated. IF he knows we are in his corner, a lot of the emotional "stuff" may simply go away. If his issues are too big to overcome, then Beane will take the appropriate steps.
At this point, more inuendo and conjecture has taken place than fact.
by Gerard on Jul 20, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macha seems to annoy
The media is not the outlet to handle things such as saying that "Kiely was hurt" so they moved Kotsay back to the outfield. He should have said that he wanted to improve the defense as a whole and made a light joke about Kotsay's fielding ability. I get the feeling that his indirectness gets on some of their nerves but that could just be me??
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 20, 2006 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ew.
The fact that it's 'magically, out of nowhere, a problem' just strikes me as way too odd of a problem. Shit like that needs some kind of buildup.
Yes, no teammate is gonna call out their guy publically, but I seriously question whether the situation is absolutely dire and horrible, as this makes it sound.
Bizarre.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 20, 2006 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trashy, maybe; unnecessarily controversial, YES
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratto is 100 times the writer
by rubin sierra on Jul 20, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratto > Urban
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 20, 2006 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
methaphors?
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A jolt of imagery shot through his veins
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 20, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HITHEREI'MPAULJOHNSTON
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key word "trying"
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magician in the dugout
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Urban!!!
It's about time!!! I have been waiting for someone to return Derek Lowe's favor!!!
Red Sock fans are the most venomous and filthy trash talking jerks in all of baseball!!!
Boston is also a very racist town, I wonder what was said to Milt?
As far as his "antics", it is obvious to me that Urban is really full of himself.
Has he ever played baseball beyong Little league?
Has he ever tweaked something that is a MAJOR PROBLEM and then been ready to go in 5 minutes?
I was warming up last week and felt a tweek in my left knee that sent me to the ground. It was my MCL ripping a bit because I caught a spike.
I couldn't stand on it for two minutes.
I got up, walked it off, put on my catcher's gear and caught 9.
This article makes Susan Slusser look like George Plimpton!!!
I hope that Urban gets 10 times the heat for this garbage than Sluss did for printing that Swish likes a good party!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just settle down there, Saint or you're liable
I know if Bradley played for the Angels and given his easily aggitated track record, most everyone on this site would heckle him (and the ones that say they wouldn't are full of she-ot).
by DeeWayne on Jul 20, 2006 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lord knows I would heckle him:
"Your own teammates are sick of you"
"Yeah, fake an injury you bum"
"Head CASE, HEAD CASE"
Get it?
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are u going to heckle Urban at the next AN day?
by CaliAsFan on Jul 20, 2006 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure:
"Where does your chin end and your chest begin"
I'll rub my belly and look at him exclaiming, "Beisbol been bery bery good to me"
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why, because it's the dog days of summer and
Bradley's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode (kinda like Ditka, TO, B Knight, Woody Hayes, etc.).
by DeeWayne on Jul 20, 2006 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
News...Slow???
Big Hurt gets 3 RBI!!!
Barry throws a gem!?!?!
A's are 5-2 on this trip?!?!?
Tejada is slumping!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where does this rate nationally? Right below
by DeeWayne on Jul 20, 2006 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One correction, Saint
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2006 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-HA:
As you know I think that all USF pitchers are overrated and should never be drafted?!?! :)
BTW, have you seen this?
He cam in yesterday with his team on the ropes and k'd the two batters he faced!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on, Saint.
Not once in the entire piece does he find a single person who can go on the record with anything negative about Bradley. Not once. Instead, it's all "obviously" and "clearly".
Well, I write a freaking blog, and I wouldn't write crap like that and expect that it passes as decent bloggery, let alone journalism.
For shame. If you can't find someone to back up your stance, don't write the piece - simple as that.
by Ozzz on Jul 20, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB probably wouldn't give Urban
Baby shit.
Maybe Urban got a crotch salute?
by A s Eh on Jul 21, 2006 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes....
by willem20 on Jul 20, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious...
by PositionPlayerProd on Jul 21, 2006 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was an
by willem20 on Jul 21, 2006 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the exact same thought
by luvsthecurveball on Jul 21, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing has become apparent though...
Urban hasn't shown us to be the guy to right about flippant topics, so if he says there is an issue, I kind of believe him.
I think all of us here don't want to hear what he has to say, because it isn't good. We can only hope things somehow smooth over, but history would suggest it's probably going to get worse.
by Freefall on Jul 20, 2006 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<waits hopefully for UID #654 to log on>
by ArakSOT on Jul 20, 2006 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have Urbans AN User ID memorized. I don't
by theblackpearl on Jul 20, 2006 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just float your cursor over
by californiagirl on Jul 20, 2006 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know how to find it, but I don't have it
by theblackpearl on Jul 20, 2006 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<adroitly uses "Search" feature>
by ArakSOT on Jul 20, 2006 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Karros...
by NoeValley on Jul 20, 2006 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with salb--
We're supposed to be in a tizzy because, supposedly, anonymous people have implied privately exactly the opposite of what actual people have said publicly?
I believe the A's are frustrated with how often Bradley has been hurt, I believe they wish Milton would ignore heckling, and I believe they feel Milton is unfairly and viciously targeted by fans. All that is self-evident anyways, and it's all I believe based on the evidence in front of us.
by Nico on Jul 20, 2006 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if the fans were just saying things like you
by larrysgurl on Jul 20, 2006 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have to ...
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 20, 2006 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there is some validity in these, but
by theblackpearl on Jul 20, 2006 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we're picking out words...
I get "annoyed" when parents bring their screaming kids into restaurants and then do absolutely nothing to quiet them. But it passes, and everyone goes about their business.
I think Urban is taking a mental snapshot of a single day in the A's clubhouse, and then using it as fodder for a story that will get people talking....and as you can see, it's working.
I have to believe that any issues in the clubhouse with Bradley are minor, and that Urban cleverly used particular words to magnify the effect.
by nodaclu on Jul 20, 2006 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nodadclu...
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 20, 2006 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mychael reads here sometimes
by lurkerD on Jul 20, 2006 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In the last interview he did with Blez...
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You hit the nail on the head with the "answer to confusion" thing - that's exactly what I meant in the way I put my questions. Not overly "negative" dude, but what the heck?
by lurkerD on Jul 20, 2006 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget his hatred of butt threads.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 20, 2006 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the works ...
by MychaelUrban on Jul 24, 2006 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
settle own with the Urban hate!!!
by CaliAsFan on Jul 20, 2006 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
get Yer Boots baby!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
burn!!
by rubin sierra on Jul 20, 2006 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we should turn a blind eye?
by californiagirl on Jul 20, 2006 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anything NEW to report?
I like Urban (and Slusser) a lot but he better not be trying to destroy the clubhouse just because one individual has pissed him off.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 20, 2006 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's my take
by ArakSOT on Jul 20, 2006 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is...
by JCase on Jul 20, 2006 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Swisher had nothing but praise for Milton on Rome.
by jjham15 on Jul 20, 2006 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's no need for
In general, Urban a good beat writer who usually has an interesting and funny take on things and he seems to have a good relationship with the team and players. What people are should be taking exception to is this article and not Mr. Urban on the whole.
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
precisely
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urban always seemed to be as wanting to be
by CaliAsFan on Jul 20, 2006 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
by AndreafromNJ on Jul 20, 2006 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Man:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and Mini - U
Get in Ma Bell-eh!
<Can big U do the Myers'finger crook?)
by A s Eh on Jul 21, 2006 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
by EastCoastA on Jul 20, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
by californiagirl on Jul 20, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that list include:
Bartolo Colon
Mike Scoscia
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they are AN members
by californiagirl on Jul 20, 2006 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually all three
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All part of the monkeyball collective
by salb918 on Jul 20, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we now prefer "monkeyborg"
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and because he is in the AN.
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 20, 2006 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he wasn't in the AN community
by Dog Days on Jul 20, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is fucking *weak*.
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i stand by comments about the earring
by CaliAsFan on Jul 20, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, what is more weak is:
That is weak.
Urban was terrible and knew nothing about this team when he started covering them. In fact, I'd still say that he is average at best.
His claim to fame is having some beers with the Big 3 and getting an exclusive on thier story.
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a good writer
Come on, saint. Everybody makes mistakes, and I think Mychael Urban made one here. But let's not demonize him...
by Dog Days on Jul 20, 2006 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO is a published author also??
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AN-d Canseco:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be serious here
What's your point?
by Dog Days on Jul 20, 2006 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
And if he's going to essentially demonize a player, why can't he be demonized.
A mistake, c'mon, it's a published article. A mistake is blurting something out over the radio. This was written, proofed then published. No mistakes as far as he's concerned.
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good writer...
by LD on Jul 21, 2006 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!
And I really can't stand him on KNBR, very arrogant.
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about him on KNBR.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 20, 2006 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, taking a potshot at a writer...
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling him the 4th Stooge was pretty funny:
Also to try and demonize him for sticking up for himself when fans cross the line as Kotsay and Chavy say they have is worse.
One is not right and the other wrong, but, Urban has brought this critisism upon himself.
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question then becomes...
by franks a lot on Jul 20, 2006 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
personal attacks...
by willem20 on Jul 20, 2006 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urban
That said, this is the second time he's struck me trying to stir up stuff in the clubhouse without justification. Last year in his interview with Blez, he called out Joe Kennedy, saying, "Kennedy doesn't fit in with this team at all. Think a blonde Mark Redman. I'll leave it at that."
Sure, I appreciate his candor, but I don't think he should be gossiping in a forum that will be read in the clubhouse. I'd prefer that he report the actual news and let the stuff that needs interpreting - as in whether Kennedy fits in or Bradley's teammates are "tired of his act" - be done elsewhere.
by Dog Days on Jul 20, 2006 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, this has to be our hope
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what's likely happening
- Yes, he was a good teammate throughout the Spring and while injured.
- BUT, he has issues. And sometimes those issues just demand too much of everybody's time and attention. So players go from, "He's fiery" to "That's Milton being Milton" to (eventually) "Fuck, dude, everything doesn't have to be about you" or "Fuck, dude, everything doesn't have to be a problem."
- Bradley did hurt his shoulder throwing something in the clubhouse (I know this one is true from a completely realiable source on the medical staff).
- Bradley makes Swisher getting hit kind of about him. There's fire and then there's a guy so self-centered who soaks up a lot of energy better spent focused on winning.
- And now yesterday, where he just can't let it go, where he has to stare down fans, where he's carried off the field only to return and play. Again, he's soaking up a lot of the team's energy that would be better spent elsewhere.
Look, I want to like the guy and I do. I want the A's to win and I think he gives them there best chance.
But if you're looking for an explanation of what the problem might be, I think this is it.
There's a reason Coletti was so quick to dump Milton for a young and (then) unproven player even though the Dodgers had a real shot in the here an now. He didn't have a secret crystal ball telling him about Ethier. No, he had everybody else telling him "to get this cancer off the team."
We have to hope he's changed. And based on the evidence of this last week, sorry to say it, but things aren't looking good.
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although I disagree with most of what you say,
by DeeWayne on Jul 20, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The record sonce he's been back:
I'll back Kotsay's comments of "We haven't had that kind of fire around here in the pat two years"
Interestingly enough, those are the two years we faded down the stretch and did not make the playoffs.
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, Saint, I'm with you
I think the key will be if the A's can accept that Bradley does make a lot what happens about him, and then just move on. The guy has had issues, they likely haven't gone away, so we have to cross our fingers and hope his fire doesn't burn a little too hard.
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with that:
The guy is a winner and he brings passion to the clubhouse and field.
He had Swisher's back, as well he should have. Noone else did.
Not even the pitcher!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This article is really unfair.
What bothers me the most is that what usually distinguishes Urban from other writers is that he doesn't try to invent controversy where none exists. What every other reporter wrote suggests that Milton's teammates have his back, and the only unhappiness in yesterday's clubhouse has to do with Kotsay being sent back to center after his error.
Two things in particular bother me--one is the snarky comment he makes about the time Milton's spent on the DL this year, as salb918 notes. That was completely uncalled for. It suggests that Milton wants to be hurt. If you're going to say something like that about a player (or to put it vulgarly, to come as close as you can to calling a player a "p----" without actually saying it), you better be able to back it up).
Similarly, if you're going to say that the team is tired of his act, you better be able to back it up with SOMETHING. ANYTHING. Those are both very damning things to say about a ballplayer.
In summary, if I'm Milton Bradley, I never speak to Mychael Urban again. And if some of his teammates want to follow suit as a show of solidarity, that's their perogative.
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2006 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the article is second rate
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
background
If the former, this is a pretty unforgiveable transgression by Urban, and he may find himself frozen out of the A's clubhouse and could conceivably find himself in hot water with his employers.
If the latter, then Urban is 100% in the clear -- but there are some real weasels in the A's clubhouse.
Or, to be perfectly frank, the Examiner post-JPA is a total joke -- it's entirely possible that this article itself isn't on the up-and-up.
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by batgirl on Jul 20, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about Swish:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm
by coffee roaster on Jul 21, 2006 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SFE = ?
by PositionPlayerProd on Jul 21, 2006 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Touch of Irony:
Urban writes the most negative article on the A's, by someone not named Ratto, in 10 Years.
"So the fans let him have it, and rightly so."
Who's side are you on!?!?!
You think that Milton should be negatively blasted, but you cannot handle A's fans on an A's board writing passionately about thier team?!?!
Now, THAT, is WEAK!!!
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Urban every even pitch for USF???
Or was he playing left...Left OUT???
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Cube
by Ryan Armbrust on Jul 20, 2006 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it seems to be that way:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more general problem
But when writing his articles, he's supposed to be a journalist first and foremost, and I think he just lets way too much slant into his writing. You'll never hear anything remotely negative about Swisher; in fact, he went out of his way to criticize Slusser for her piece. Same thing with Hudson or Kotsay (who, as a couple people already mentioned, seemed to be acting much more divaish than Bradley yesterday). On the other hand, you have the snarky comments about Kennedy that someone quoted above, and he's been taking shots at Bradley all year - this is at least the third time he's written something highly critical about him.
There may well be some truth behind this story. In fact, as RLangford notes, there probably is. But Urban seems less able than the other beat reporters (Slusser and Suchon) to give us an unbiased take on what that real story is.
by andeux on Jul 20, 2006 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is right on the button
Now, he could come back at us and say, "You don't know the half of it. I could write so much more." That's probably true. But it's true of every beat reporter for every team. The problem with Urban seems to be, as you say so well, that his choices of what to write and say seem based way too much on who he's buddies with.
His defense--and that's what it was--of Swisher was a little weird. His slavish love of Huddy was understandable. But look at his book. In it Huddy says some things that are incredibly negative. They're based in frustration, but what stuff like that isn't. And making Bradley the subject of the story seems like jumping the gun, like he was so excited with this "read" he has on the team that he couldn't help but tell us.
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is
I do think it was unfair to Bradley and bordering on Rattoesque. It's pretty clear that Urban thinks Bradley is a problem child who very well could blow in the near future and you know what, I don't disagree with that. But I do still think that the gamble to acquire Bradley was worth it.
Really, what has Bradley done that has been so bad? He yelled at an opposing pitcher for being an a-hole prick? He got into it with Boston fans...dear Lord, I can tell you stories about Boston fans that would make your hair stand up like a guy pouring a beer on me at a Boston Bruins game when I was eight or nine years old because I was wearing a Hartford Whalers jersey (my Dad was in the restroom and I sat silently the rest of the game scared out of my mind). Yeah, the Baltimore incident scared me a bit, but at least he did the prudent thing and went and got security. Hell, even the umps backed up the nature of the heckling thrown Milton's way.
I just think that Urban is jumping the gun on this column. We all fear Bradley going off, but at least until he does, let's give a guy the benefit of the doubt even if a player or two is annoyed with Bradley. I've always said that to me a guy is always innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't done anything to deserve this treatment in Oakland. You could argue his past behavior plays into it, but I don't think it should. New city, new chance. Unfortunately for Bradley, it very well may be his last.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 20, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rattoesque
by rubin sierra on Jul 20, 2006 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad in my opinion that Urban
by willcmatthews on Jul 20, 2006 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Urban, by the way, started his career writing about high school sports for the Pacifica Tribune. He had the same faux-jock attitude there that carries into his writing today.
by coffee roaster on Jul 21, 2006 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A parallel, if I may
He says in the article that Bradley's behavior is threatening to undermine the chemistry in the clubhouse....well, guess what writing this article is going to do. And, before someone comes back with the "He doesn't care because he's not on the team" response....well, he sure acts like he is!
by Tony on Jul 20, 2006 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nicely put
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and the point is
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to get too picky
by spal on Jul 20, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you bring up a good point
This article, in contrast to the quotes we have in other pieces, implies that the guys don't have Bradley's back. It could just alienate him further.
by TurnTwo on Jul 20, 2006 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody notice
Then, Bradley comes back from the DL and adds spark to the team and comes up with bat, and this article is written.
Or was this mentioned already somewhere up there and I just missed it?
by DelMundo on Jul 20, 2006 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to wonder...
by spal on Jul 20, 2006 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chron?
by gigglingone on Jul 20, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
er, yeah
by spal on Jul 20, 2006 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't they owned by the same company?
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2006 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To my knowlege:
by saint on Jul 20, 2006 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
by gigglingone on Jul 20, 2006 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hearst arranged to sell it to a small
by OaklandSi on Jul 20, 2006 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herast sold it to the Fang family ...
Hearst sold it to 'em -- after lending them the money to buy it.
Basically the entire joint publishing authority (JPA) between the Chron and the Ex was that endured for years was probably an illegal oligopoly -- which was papered over with a probably even more illegal maneuver by Hearst's funny financial deal to enable the Fangs to buy the Ex.
Long story short, the content quality of both papers have suffered substantially from the financial shenanigans.
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chron reporting suffered, at least
I believe it's Joint Operating Agreement, or JOA. The JPA is our landlord (cue Eddie Murphy).
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 20, 2006 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are correct, sir
And, yes, I certainly agree that the Chron has one of the best lineups of columnists in the country.
And, whew -- the OpEd page under Mr Lizard-Eats-My-Foot has hurtled downhill. The Sunday OpEd, in particular, is more out of touch with its SF constituency than Joe Lieberman is with Connecticut Democrats.
by monkeyball on Jul 21, 2006 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is bad for ball
by franks a lot on Jul 20, 2006 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Positive Spin
Just a possibility, I know.
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised by any of this
by bigelephant on Jul 20, 2006 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Easy on Yourself BigE!
by Gerard on Jul 20, 2006 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, but did you see G!
A gift, that.
Urban should call me.
by bigelephant on Jul 20, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any kind of smearing that comes...
Urban's actually harmless. His reputation among the media and players precedes him. There's very little harm that comes from all of this.
I'm amazed how much has been written on this one diary from all of the articles that covered this topic. What's more interesting to me is the LACK of attention to Shae Hillenbrand's situation.
For the Jays to sight irreconcilable differences is stong verbage. Did he put himself and the adoption before his committments to the team or was he burning his bridges there for awhile?
by Gerard on Jul 20, 2006 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk all day on radio
From what I can gather:
1.Hillenbrand has been an ass when he doesn't play. Up to now he has been able to keep his "issues" with Gibbons quiet. But I guess his attitude was rubbing off on some the others players. Wells is one of them. It's clear Wells is not happy in Toronto and will not re-up next year. You can hear it in his voice during interviews...in fact, he is the only player, so far anyway, to come out and support Hillenbrand.
- This thing about Hillenbrand adopting a kid is just the tip of the iceburg. It sounds like Hillenbrand TOLD the Jays he was leaving for the West Coast for a few days. Usually you ASK your employer if you can not tell them. So last week-end the Jays were extremely short on players, the media were inquiring about the whereabouts of Hillenbrand and why he wasn't around. JP and Gibbons weren't saying anything which got the media on them. It didn't make JP or Gibbie look good.
- The Toronto Media ( esp. the print media), in general, hate JP. Pure and simply. They can't wait to see him go.
- It's a soap opera.
by bigelephant on Jul 20, 2006 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, sorry I couldn't continue...
Does Hillenbrand gather equittable trade value at this point for JP or are they going to cut their losses?
With your comments about Wells, does JP continue with the team or will they fire him. With our luck, Alderson will probably bring him to San Diego.
Why is JP so disliked? Does he come off arrogantly or do they want the return of Cito Gaston and his crew?
by Gerard on Jul 21, 2006 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
response:
- There are 6-7 teams who have called TOR about Hillenbrand...the A's aren't one of them. SF is and the Angels also. JP is looking for a pitcher but will get something what TB received for Huff (e.i. to AA players, low quality prospects).
- JP is hated by some "old school" beat writers who received all their "insider info" from the scouts the Jays employed...until JP came in and fired them all. Nevertheless, JP is loved by the Jays ownership.
- Residual effects of the Moneyball craze. Came in and cleaned house, traded over-priced players. Saved the team a lot of money. JP does come across as "i'm-in-charge" and doesn't care what the media think of him. He is different from Beane this way-Beane uses the media to get out his agenda, JP could care less what the media thinks. It didn't help when within his 1st yr or 2 a local rag claimed the Jays and JP were racist because there weren't enough blacks or south americans on the team.
by bigelephant on Jul 21, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if things were as bad
Funny, over 120 posts and not one saying the familar, "Chemistry doesn't matter" or "Winning creates chemistry". Maybe in a clubhouse of 25 guys cramped together daily for 6 months, it DOES matter after all!
I agree, btw, with many of the sentiments expressed above: Good writer, bad column, Milton overreacted to some of the fans, some of the other fans were overboard in their heckling, the guys will work out whatever rising frustration they may have with their teammate's brittleness and volatility.
If they get and can stay healthy.
by Nico on Jul 20, 2006 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
post #143
For me, if Urban wrote a column saying that he was getting tired of Bradley's act, I'd post and say--I agree, to some extent anyway. But for him to write, as he did, that Milton's teammates are getting tired of him--that was weak.
by rubin sierra on Jul 20, 2006 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Important distinction.
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2006 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Journalists on slippery slopes
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 20, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Milton Bradley
All i know is that players publicly acknowledge that they like Milton Bradley and what he brings, and that Milton Bradley was the only one actively backing up Swisher when he got hit by Schilling.
by ohad on Jul 20, 2006 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't blame him for fans' behavior
by OaklandSi on Jul 20, 2006 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's no secret...
I was actually in the stadium club at the time of the infamous water-bottle incident in L.A. and that still did nothing to alter my perception of his character.
I think Milton Bradley plays with the passion and the fire that the A's have been missing since Miguel Tejada. With very passionate players, it seems like there are always going to be conflicts with management, just due to the player's tempestuous nature, but that's what you sacrifice for getting someone on the team who can fire the whole team up.
With the exception of Chavvy and the bus speech (which seems like a one-time incident, and not a daily attitude from him) and a couple of incidents of other A's (Kendall, Payton...) getting fired up, our team is pretty low-key, especially our manager.
Do you guys remember the game a couple of years ago when the A's got into a bean ball contest in the 8th inning, got some players tossed, and ended up making up a 4 or 5 run deficit and winning the game? It's time like this when you need that spark-plug on the field, in the clubhouse, and you'll take the good with the bad in that case.
Bradley plays hard, not always smart, but there are times that it's nice for the fans to know that at least ONE of their players can kick some ass, both on the field and off. We play in a league with the Boston Bush League and the F'in Angels from Whiney-land, and it's nice to have a player on the team that's just a little bit outside the GQ pretty-boy model, IMO, anyway.
Why in the world a columnist would try to pit a team against a player is beyond me, especially when I firmly believe that Milton Bradley may well be the offensive difference between us scoring just enough runs to lose, and scoring enough runs to win. Our A's are better with Bradley in the lineup, and on the team IMO. And everyone associated with the A's, who have their best interests in mind, should recognize this. Until we get a better hand, this is the one our 2006 team was dealt. Let Milton Bradley play with the passion that he brings to the team. Let the team figure out their own relationship with him.
Because really, the bottom line is, if MB helps the team win, and improves our last in the league offense, I don't think anything more needs to be written.
by baseballgirl on Jul 20, 2006 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good writing BBG
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 20, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
I usually like Urbans work. I hope he's not stirring the shit cause Bradley dissed him and now he's butt-hurt.
by signmebilly on Jul 20, 2006 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Slusser article about Swisher
Does anybody know of a quick way to access it? If you could post a link, I'd be much abliged.
by Dog Days on Jul 20, 2006 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was more helpful ;)
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link
For future reference, if you go to the "sports" section of sfgate.com, scroll down and there is a drop-down menu that says "choose a writer"... click on that, and you can select a Chronicle sportswriter's name whose recent articles you want to see.
by Poppy on Jul 20, 2006 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urban
by emperor nobody on Jul 20, 2006 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by doublehustle22 on Jul 20, 2006 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Other Possibilities
- Urban is auditioning for a regular columnist job at the Ex. They've just hired Glenn Dickey for three days a week, and they could have put the word out they're looking for someone else. Moving from mlb.com to a regular column on a daily paper would be a step up as a journalist, and what better way than to out-Ratto Ray Ratto?
- This isn't Mychael Urban so much as Billy Beane firing a warning shot to Milton Bradley's agent. Consider the source: an A's insider who works for mlb.com (where he could be replaced at any time) writes an article bordering on libel against a specific A's player. Why now? Unless it is an audition piece (and it's in my view a little too personal to be one), there's no point in writing it, particularly since the A's are playing better ball and Milton is raking.
by richwol on Jul 20, 2006 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned (1) in my first post
by rcb on Jul 20, 2006 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Glenn Dickey hiring...
Bradley's misbehavior began in Boston, at which time I'm sure the A's front office sent word to his agent to tell MB to cool it, which didn't happen. So this could be the next step: a public excoriation which would let the agent know how seriously the A's are taking Bradley's behavior.
by richwol on Jul 20, 2006 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also...
by richwol on Jul 20, 2006 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love bob novack!
by bigelephant on Jul 20, 2006 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so sick of hearing
All Ratto does is put into words what a hell of a lot of sports fans are already thinking--which, to my way of thinking, is exactly what his job is. He doesn't go out of his way to take cheap shots against people, he doesn't drum up stories that don't exist. And he also wrote what was probably the most-important A's-related article of the millenium thus far, the Chronicle's Bill King obit the day after King's death last December.
by rubin sierra on Jul 21, 2006 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mychael Urban has just....
by signmebilly on Jul 20, 2006 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<snerk>
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT is funny.
by baseballgirl on Jul 20, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but also true.
by signmebilly on Jul 20, 2006 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This won't be popular
Urban takes the current situations in Boston and Baltimore, talks to a few players who roll their eyes at Bradley's antics, and then writes a column that reveals this while also drawing some yet to be realized conclusions (Bradley has cracked, hewill doom the team, his teammates have had enough).
This is basically what many, many columnists do. It's not too overboard.
I wonder if we at AN are reacting the way we do because we're scared shitless. Because we're afraid that this team, which seems to be fragile in so many ways, is now maybe fragile in this way, too.
It would be nice to have three straight days of good news wouldn't it. Days where Bradley talks to the press and says the right things. Days where the word on Harden and Kennedy is that they're both much improved. Days where Chavy stops hanging his fricking head and telling us all, "It's just not there."
Yeah, that would be nice.
by RLangford on Jul 20, 2006 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
speaking as a monkey who ...
While you do make a good argument, RL (and I'll concede that this will probably all be forgotten in 2-3 weeks), I just wanted to weigh in from the non-panic-induced, chemistry-doesn't-exist perspective.
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line:
by baseballgirl on Jul 20, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is he doesn't say they rolled their
by theblackpearl on Jul 20, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying...
Why try to temper Bradley's passion? Use it.
Why try to smear Swisher's character? Let him come into his own; however he wants to. The A's will never get a bigger partier than Jason Giambi, and he was one of the the best players they ever had, late nights, alcohol, and all.
Why are we playing hurt on a consistant basis? Why does it seem that losing a player for 10-15 days is the equivalent of a season?
by baseballgirl on Jul 20, 2006 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really thrilled...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jul 20, 2006 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My $.02
I will agree that Urban went a little too far in trying to make a case that Bradley is a problem for the team. I think it's a case of writing an column with a conclusion in mind first, instead of letting the facts determine how it falls out.
Urban does seem to be stirring the pot a bit. But to criticize him for that, I think we have to define his role. As a writer for mlb.com, I have to think it would be inappropriate for him to do so. He should report accurately, and not slant things one way or another, but he shouldn't insert his opinion into his stories.
As a columnist for a paper, he can do those things. Is it fair? Probably not. Is he right to call out Bradley on the basis of shaky hearsay? No, but it's common in the sports columnist business. It's not right, but it's how most modern sports columns are written these days.
Urban is occupying both of those identities now, which is a difficult thing to be consistent on. It seems to me that what we're seeing is the twilight of Urban on mlb.com, while he moves to the Examiner. As some of you might have noticed, there has been some writing done lately on mlb.com by a guy named Ryan Quinn, subbing for Urban on the A's Notes. I can't help but think he's the replacement for Urban, should he leave.
Overall, I think Urban went a little far in his criticism of Bradley. It's in his rights to question team decisions, in fact, he should do that. But to attack a player like he did Bradley with what little basis he showed us is not fair, and is journalistically unsavory. Hopefully he just got carried away, and this isn't a portent of things to come from Urban, who has been as good of a mlb.com writer as you could ask for.
by Ryan Armbrust on Jul 20, 2006 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those were two good cents
by batgirl on Jul 20, 2006 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was using 1867 currency
by peanut gallery on Jul 20, 2006 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's cool...
I agree.
I really think he needs to pick an identity and stick with it.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jul 20, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe
by willem20 on Jul 20, 2006 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's important is...
by tonyarmas50 on Jul 20, 2006 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
slusser talks about bradley...
http://cdn.sfgate.com/blogs/sounds/sfgate/chroncast/2006/07/19/Athletics-20060719.mp3
by vk on Jul 20, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For those that crave more info...
A's general manager Billy Beane has made a mint in public-speaking engagements since the best-seller "Moneyball" chronicled his ability to take advantage of undervalued area in the baseball talent market and turned him into a star in the business world.
When the book was being written, what was being undervalued was on-base percentage, and Beane exploited the market weakness by loading up. Now that Beane's success has increased the value of OBP, he's looking for weaknesses elsewhere, and what he's apparently discovered is that so-called "problem players" are undervalued.
So he's stocked up on them, and today the A's are in first place in the American League West. Tough to quibble with ongoing success, right?
Wrong. One of Beane's problem players in Milton Bradley, and he's becoming a bigger problem by the day. And if the problem isn't nipped in the bud, the A's won't be in first place much longer.
Bradley, as everyone knows, came to Oakland with more baggage that a trans-Atlantic luxury liner. He'd fought with teammates, managers and his wife, and he'd had run-ins with the law and fans.
Not big deal, Beane told everyone. The cohesive A's clubhouse was strong enough to absorb Bradley, warts and all.
Bradley himself told us he was simply understood. That he's not as much of a bad boy as his reputation suggests. That he was more approachable than he seems.
Both men were wrong. Dead wrong.
Bradley has five-tool talent, which is what enticed Beane into trading away his top outfield prospect, Andre Ethier, to get him. But he also has about seven screws loose.
Until last Saturday, Bradley had been on his best behavior. Of course, it's easy to behave when you're on the disabled list, which is where Bradley has been for most of the year. And really, Bradley's best behavior wasn't all that great. In his first radio interview after the trade that brought him to Oakland, he asked the Bay Area to give him a chance. But on the first day of spring training, when reporters put his I'm-more-approachable-than-I seem claim to the test, he failed miserably, refusing to talk.
And then came Saturday in Boston. On Friday he came off the disabled list and put on the kind of show Beane bargained for, going 4-for-5 and making a sensational catch. On Saturday he snapped. After screaming at Red Sox blowhard Curt Schilling for drilling Nick Swisher, Bradley turned his attention toward the fans behind the visitors' dugout. There was much shouting and finger-pointing, and the next time Bradley came off the field, he subtly saluted said fans by grabbing his crotch.
A's manager Ken Macha didn't play him the next day, offering the lame reasoning that Bradley had been on the bases so much Friday that he needed to give his legs a rest. The truth is that Macha didn't want Bradley to have to deal with the Boston fans again. He knew he couldn't handle it.
So on the A's moved to Baltimore, where the Orioles fans aren't exactly known for being harsh. But they certainly got under Bradley's skin, and Bradley gave them plenty of material with one of the weakest acts seen since the World Cup ended.
After stumbling while rounding first base on Wednesday, Bradley appeared to be injured, and badly. So pronounced was his limp that he that he didn't even try to get back to the base, so the throw from the outfield to shortstop to first base got there in plenty of time for Bradley to be tagged out.
As he was being carried off the field, it looked like Bradley was headed for another stint on the DL. But no. There must have been some kind of medical magician in the dugout, because Bradley was back out on defense the next inning, even diving for a ball at one point.
So the fans let him have it, and rightly so. But Bradley, unlike hundreds of big-league ballplayers everywhere, couldn't ignore their taunts. He might have the biggest rabbit ears in the game. So he jawed with them for two full innings, complaining to the umpires that security wasn't doing its job.
It put a huge damper on a nice win for the A's, and while none of his teammates would go on the record (nor would Bradley, who didn't talk after the Boston game, either), it was clear that they have tired of Bradley's act.
They've also tired of Macha playing the role of enabler. If he had any stones, he'd have undressed Bradley in his office after the game and told him to knock it off or get used to the bench. Instead, Macha basically threw up his hands, and for a manager with a tepid approval rate in the clubhouse as it is, it was a very bad move.
Beane is a very good GM, but he swung and missed big with Bradley -- Ethier is batting .340 for the Dodgers, while Bradley is batting .249 and causing headaches. So it's on Beane to do what Macha should have done and sit Bradley down.
For a guy who's so big on track records, it's puzzling why Beane would ignore Bradley's. It was never a matter of "if" regarding blowup. It was "when?"
And when is now.
by Voltease on Jul 20, 2006 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or for even MORE info ...
by monkeyball on Jul 20, 2006 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
by Ryan Armbrust on Jul 20, 2006 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that certainly changes things
My second thought is, Urban must not be too worried about what some of the clubhouse thinks of him because he really let his opinions fly. Maybe he's depressed because 2/3 of his buddies left, and the next one is holding open auditions every fift day. It's like the guy that broke up with his girlfriend, was devastated but tried not to show it, then got a new girl and always got wasted and was a dick to her just because she wasn't the first one....
by Tony on Jul 20, 2006 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently after re-reading that
by Tony on Jul 20, 2006 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes it much clearer
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2006 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can anger Bradley
by franks a lot on Jul 21, 2006 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Monkeyball Times
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 20, 2006 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
M Urban played minor league basKeT-ball.
but see. it's real important you were at least, almost a pro-baller. because now you get that acceptance in the club house. like yeah, i played some ball in school, then for a minor league club in san jose. because that means you're on the same level, as far as balling and the big ball lifestyle, as the real deal ballers: you know where they're coming from. that is his currency: almost a baller. more than most of us can say.
what does it all mean? NOTHING? Urban is a dude that was almost a pro baller, but instead is a minor league beat reporter. the only thing he KNOWS about the A's or baseball more than the average, smart, dedicated fan comes from this thin cache of almost having been a big time baller.
this is what he thinks about his readers: they don't really understand the game or have valid opinions about their team. but whereas others who hold this viewpoint, people like say Joe Morgan, he is not in any posotion to teach us un-enlightened masses anything about the game, because you see, he doesn't know much more about what transpires on the field than you or i. outside of the clubhouse drivel that has inspired the above 200+ comments he has little more insight about the fundamentals of the club than CHIEF BLOWHARD Garry Radnich. at least radnich has a sense of humor about himself and his position. urban is on an upward career trajectory. he is on the MLB payroll and soon ESPN. he is a very succesful person. but he will always just be a non-baller. he can only really report. so, he reports a bunch of junk. like that's what we all need more of in our lives: some useless sh*t.
DEAR MYKE URBAN: PLEASE, just stick to the game wrapups and fluff profile pieces. keep your bitter almost a baller 'tude to yourself.
by captainamerica on Jul 20, 2006 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Urban has it out for Bradley
by SanTropez on Jul 20, 2006 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a particularly big fan of MB
And the Boston fans, I couldn't care less about. The Lowe crotch grabbing was far from the only classless event by Red Sox players or fans over the last few years.
As far as Urban, that article was definitely for no other purpose than tabloid shit stirring. And if the clubhouse closes up a little on him I definitely wouldn't fault the players.
by luvsthecurveball on Jul 21, 2006 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Milton is the A's hottest hitter
by OaklandSi on Jul 21, 2006 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
milton has been tearing it up since he came back from the DL. i hope A's fans will be cheering loudly for him when he comes home on monday because i sure will!
by gotgreen on Jul 21, 2006 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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