One Mistake
First of all, not much to analyze in tonight's game. Kirk Saarloos had a chance to win, and all he had to do in 100 pitches was to make 0 mistakes. He made 1. Sure, one can always speculate. Maybe the A's could have thanked Saarloos for 7 awesome innings and turned it over to tonight's DD (designated Duchscherer). Morneau, batting .185 vs. LHP this season, could have been required to try his hand in the 8th against tonight's DAAALOOGY (designated AAA LOOGY). Ferrets could have flown out of my butt and painted the outside corner with 3 unhittable changeups. But what it boiled down to, on a night where only 1-0 could win it, was that Kirk Saarloos made a ton of great pitches and then missed the target once by a foot-and-a-half. Sometimes you get away with one mistake, sometimes you don't.
Johan Santana is incredible. It's not just that his fastball is mid-90s, his slider late breaking, and his changeup deceptive, but he will throw his fastball, his slider, or his changeup, to any hitter, in any count, interchangeably--because he has equally pinpoint command of all three pitches. He's a guy you have to be ready to beat 1-0. Or to lose to 2-1, unfortunately.
Finally, stats on "win shares" help to remind us that even when players appear to be so important that their absence is worth 4 games in 30, in fact that isn't really the case. But partly due to circumstance--the A's have played more one-run and two-run games than you could possibly predict--it seems like the A's really might miss Justin Duchscherer that much. By my recollection, there have been as many as 5 games since Duke went down where he would have pitched with the A's in a position to win, and where the A's have gone on to lose. You figure even Duke is human, so maybe he blows one of them. Is it possible that perception actually is reality, and that Duke's injury has actually cost the A's around 4 wins (the difference in the division) in the span of just one month?
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I am trying to cruise
Saarloos shouldn't have pitched in the 8th
Unfortunately Kiko was used last night and thus was unavailable.
That's really the whole story. Santana is one of the game's greatest pitchers, and he was on tonight.
Totally Disagree....
by compy75 on Jun 2, 2006 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
We WERE
He should have pitched the 8th
by homerozzieandthestraw on Jun 3, 2006 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
not ridiculous at all
On many other nights I would agree with you about the offense...not this time
Ridiculous...
by compy75 on Jun 3, 2006 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree that because of
Not sure about that
let me rephrase that
But I do think that -- seeing how the Twins were starting to hit Saarloos' pitches better beginning in the seventh inning -- had Macha had more confidence in the bullpen he might well have lifted Saarloos in the eighth, either right at the top or after Cuddayer's hit. Low pitch count or not, Saarloos doesn't have a rep of being mystifying for an entire game. If his pitches start rising he becomes hittable.
At the top of the eighth Street was warming up. That indicates to me that Macha was hoping that Saarloos could get through at least most of the eighth, and that Kiko was not available. If you're going to push a starter, better to have done it with Zito the night before than with Saarloos.
Yes, that's the power
But the key is your accurate comment: "Low pitch count or not, Saarloos doesn't have a rep of being mystifying for an entire game. If his pitches start rising he becomes hittable." Given this, a manager like Torre or Cox has his reliever of choice either start the 8th, or come on after Cuddyer's single. Macha, unfortunately, is a much more reactive manager than he is a proactive manager.
Saarloos was absolutely fantastic
Even if we had every single player available and were 4 games in the lead, you sometimes lose this kind of game when you really feel like your starter deserved the W.
Poor Kirk! :(
I reserve my angry faces for: Kotsay (4 relatively poopy at bats) and Scoot. DJ also gets one for yet another bad at bat (even though no one can touch Nathan) because it's another in the long line of "Why is he still up here?" moments.
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on Jun 2, 2006 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
Scoot = Dear in the Headlights
I still think that with regular at bats and extra work, he'll get his swing back to average.
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 2, 2006 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Macha was pretty critical about DJ's at bat
He also said he sent DJ to pinch hit because he'd hit a home run the night before -- to which I'd add that he wasn't facing Nathan the night before. what was needed was at least one baserunner, with the A's top of the lineup coming up.
As I'd said before, this time I'm not going to blame the offense. Santana is one of the game's best pitchers and Nathan is one of the best closers.
Can't get upset over this loss...
Coach Cleats, I assume
I really do NOT like
He now has three home runs in five games against the A's this year. Someone go Tonya Harding on his ass. I nominate Jennifer.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 2, 2006 9:48 PM PDT reply actions
I should also add
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 2, 2006 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm upset with DJ...
be pissed at the coaching staff...
Saarloos gave us more than expected
The one thing that bothered me the most was DJ at-bat, I would had bring Melhuse to open the 9th.
no swing strike-out, sh........t
Saarloos pitched a gem
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 2, 2006 10:05 PM PDT reply actions
Saarloos
think about it this way.. its only 1 loss so far in june...
by TrizzleNizzle510 on Jun 2, 2006 10:07 PM PDT reply actions
magnificently pitched baseball game
Good news is that FT is putting the Hurt on w/3 bombs in 3 days and 4 in 5... if he continues to round into summer form he might be good for 30 or even more (knocks wood, rubs rabbit's navicular bone hanging from necklace). That, pals, is all we could have asked from someone who really hadn't played much the previous 2 years.
We will win both weekend games and then, I dunno about y'all but I'm ready for one of those sick 60-20 summer runs this club is famous for. At any rate it is good to see them playing a lot crisper and not just crapping the bed like they were last week, when I wanted to throttle several of them. I find it slightly disturbing that the manager has to incentivize proper play with cash payments, but whatever it takes, I guess.
Very frustrating evening...
What made it worse? We were surrounded by people who didn't pay attention to the game and thought they were paid by the word. One woman was so adept at making noise that a guy bought her an ice cream cone and said maybe that would shut her up. It didn't work.
Grrrrrrrr....
What is the latest on Duke/
Disappointing loss, but you can't get your knickers in a twist about this game. We got 25 consecutive scoreless innings out of our pitchers. Not bad.
BTW -- Caught Slusser on KNBR this afternoon when the Giants game was rained out. (I only tuned in because I was curious how the New Yorkers were greeting Mr. Potato Head. I do NOT listen to Giants' games normally.) Anyway, Ralph and Tom were bashing on the A's, saying how they weren't going to be able to dig themselves out of their hole this year, and that Thomas stinks, and Crosby stinks, and Haren stinks, and blah blah blah. Susan -- God she's a sweety, she never sounds annoyed -- politely corrected them on some of their idiocies and sounded realistically optimistic about the team. She thought things would come together, although she was most concerned about the bullpen.
by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Jun 2, 2006 10:47 PM PDT reply actions
this from Hardball Times 5/30
Justin Duchscherer (RHP, OAK)
A couple of weeks ago, the news that Duchscherer had some minor soreness in his pitching elbow was met with little concern around the A's. That false hope is likely to change with the latest news.
While doing some rehab work on his pitching forearm and elbow, he felt pain in his pitching elbow. This was just some lightweight work with his wrist, and his elbow started barking at him.
This suggests the main tendon in his forearm is either the source of the pain or it is rubbing up against the painful area in his pitching elbow. He underwent an MRI on the elbow, but the cause of the pain was not discovered conclusively. This prevents the medical staff from treating it with a cortisone injection until they know the exact cause.
The A's haven't provided any additional information, but this latest report hints that he's back at square one and a quick 15-day DL stint is a fleeting wish. It's not out of the question this setback will push his return to sometime after the All-Star break, perhaps late in July.
Thanks
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by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Jun 3, 2006 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Not good enough...
However in the end, the culprit is the same: a bad offensive team combined with a depleated pitching staff, combined with inept managing. Ka Ka must go.
He made one of the Cardinal mistakes while managing: never let your starter stay in for the lose when he has pitched his guts out. K.S. doesn't have 100 pitches in the tank. Period. Ka Ka leaving him in to face Morneau is indefensible. He can't hit lefties. Granted the bullpen is terrible these days, but a reliever should have started the 8th. Everyone could see K.S. was figured out by then. The base hit to lead the inning off was arocket.
Batting DJ was also a mistake. Melhuse is a better fastball hitter, and has more experience pinch hitting. Even the A's recent wins (not many) have not been well played. The Twins and Royals offenses are actually worse than the A's, and save for some show of power the offense has been non existant.
Sorry for the long rant, just pissed at the game and Ka Ka, and rubbed wrong by the cheery tone of posters.
by alarsuel on Jun 2, 2006 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
whoops
Also, please disregard any other spelling, grammar, or syntax errors.
by alarsuel on Jun 2, 2006 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to downplay your angst
I don't think anyone is wearing "rose-colored glasses" regarding this loss, but you have to admit that an outing like that from Saarloos was very, very welcome. Not to mention that Frank hit another home run.
Yes, the offense sucked; against a good pitcher, I think we all expected a slow night offensively. And yes, the PH decision was mishandled. Again, I think a lot of us are coming to "expect" that as well.
But I do see a lot of positives in this team lately and I'm trying to avoid going postal. :-)
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's face it...
The way Santana pitched yesterday...
We've got Radke and his 7.01 ERA (!) next -- a real prime offensive production opportunity.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jun 3, 2006 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to echo DJ criticism tonight
On the flip side, having to bat for a guy batting .133 with one batting .199 is simply embarrasing. It'd be great to have Scott McClain up for a bit so he can play the Patrick Lennon role.
I'm not one.....
by Duke of left field on Jun 3, 2006 12:17 AM PDT reply actions
King of left field!
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting sight
by californiagirl on Jun 3, 2006 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I would offer you some
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
i think you need all of it regardless
by californiagirl on Jun 3, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
You say
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
so sorry
by californiagirl on Jun 3, 2006 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, duke is that important
IMHO, Duke's injury is indeed the most painful to hit the A's this year. As we have discussed before, the A's are more aware than most teams that your relief ace is not always your closer. In the past, the A's have leaned heavily on their most effective reliever, and Macha is predisposed to lean heavily on Duke. Duke had assumed the Bradford role of coming in often and invariably when in close games.
Macha bears some responsibility here, he is not great on 'pen management.
But yes, Duke going down has really hurt us.
And as the angels proved
by homerozzieandthestraw on Jun 3, 2006 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions
and since then it's been Shields
Looking back, it is really cool that Duke got the recognition to get to be an All Star last year when he was in fact pitching that well.
Sarloos
Santana was lights out. The A's hitters failed to make adjustments (shorten swings, go other way, bunt for base hit, etc.). Sarloos made one bad pitch, the Twins capitalized. That's baseball. You have to "give in" at the plate to a dominant starter. That is the only way you can beat him on a night in which he is on.
Santana's stuff is known to produce some ugly swings, but Kotsay's self-defense swing was a thing of beauty.
by ccha on Jun 3, 2006 5:24 AM PDT reply actions
mlbtv blackout day
am i the only one that's worried that this team
they just don't seem to have it this year.
by larrysgurl on Jun 3, 2006 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Complacent, I know...
Yeah, so are the Angels apparently, but we'll be in the division race til the end.
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
by californiagirl on Jun 3, 2006 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm not giving up i'm just frustrated i guess.
by larrysgurl on Jun 3, 2006 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
it is very understandable
by californiagirl on Jun 3, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think yesterday's game
In context, it's just the latest in a string of one-run losses we were in position to win.
Heck Ya!
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 3, 2006 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions

























