What IS The Big Pull?
Eric Chavez, Bobby Crosby, Dan Johnson, and the list goes on and on--with the A's hitters, and with hitters on teams all around the major leagues. It goes something like this: Hitter tries to pull everything, hitter makes lots of outs, coaches try to get hitter to "go the other way more," hitter doesn't, hitter makes lots of outs, hitter suddenly decides to go the other way more, hitter starts hitting better. Hitter tries to pull everything again...
Why exactly do hitters want to pull the ball so much? Even when he was hitting some HRs to left field, Chavez spent ginormous portions of each of his first 5 seasons rolling over on outside pitches and grounding to second. Even when there are three infielders blocking the right side, and pasture-like regions open on the left side, Johnson pulls into the shift--even when he's batting -.012 and you would think that a dinky single would feel just fine right about now. Every time Crosby starts hitting as much to right and right-center as to left and left-center, he suddenly has a stretch of batting around .400 instead of around .200.
It's not exactly surprising. After all, there are plenty of specific reasons to expect more success if you look to hit to the off-field and much as you look to pull the ball:
- You can see the ball longer, which is the same, in effect, as slowing the pitches down.
- You force the defense to spread out more, meaning more balls will get through, or drop in, for hits.
- Most pitchers are more comfortable pitching more to the outside corner than to the inside corner.
- If a pitch is tailing away--as many pitches will in a given sequence--you can hit the ball more squarely by going with the movement than by going against it.
I don't get this obsession with wanting to pull the ball. As electroshock therapy has proven (and not just with my 6th graders), most human beings gravitate towards behaviors that are routinely rewarded and away from behaviors that are routinely met with failure (or immense pain, but let's not get bogged down in discussing my 6th grade right now).
Yet athletes keep going back for the shocks. Why? I'm fascinated, in that "I'm not so much fascinated as I am incredibly mind-boggled, perturbed, and ready to check myself into an institution" way. Why are these people so slow to embrace the habits which tangibly, and immediately, breed success, and so slow to discard habits that breed failure? Heck, take it a step further: Why aren't hitters so obsessed with going the other way that coaches have to urge them to pull the ball more?
Hmm?
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You want both
by McBain on Jun 2, 2006 8:25 AM PDT 0 recs
It Takes More Patience
by RudiFan on Jun 2, 2006 8:36 AM PDT 0 recs
The article by Michael Lewis about Mark Teahen...
Chicks dig the oppo field single. NOT.
by McFood on Jun 2, 2006 8:38 AM PDT 0 recs
You left out part of the progression, Nico...
by Poppy on Jun 2, 2006 8:46 AM PDT 0 recs
hahaha
by asfan777 on
Jun 2, 2006 10:13 AM PDT
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I think Zito is well aware of the pot of gold...
Much better than $200 for being particularly FitZ on one or two particular batters.
by GreenNGoldSooner on
Jun 2, 2006 5:32 PM PDT
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it's part of learning to be a good hitter
Another part of learning to be a good hitter is being able to send the ball in a direction that helps the particular situation, such as getting the ball on the ground towards the right when you want to advance a baserunner from second to third.
by OaklandSi on Jun 2, 2006 8:57 AM PDT 0 recs
You can hit the ball farther when you pull it
by jeepers on Jun 2, 2006 8:57 AM PDT 0 recs
{swoons}
by Poppy on
Jun 2, 2006 9:03 AM PDT
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Did you even read my post above?
Oh yeah, it beats working!
Carry on.
by McFood on
Jun 2, 2006 9:21 AM PDT
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Whoops!
by jeepers on
Jun 2, 2006 10:35 AM PDT
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this ones easy
by grapefruitsandbeebies on Jun 2, 2006 9:18 AM PDT 0 recs
You're right.
For those of you wondering, the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node.
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:20 AM PDT
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OOOOOOOO....
by saint on
Jun 2, 2006 9:22 AM PDT
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I don't get it.
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:24 AM PDT
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Is it akin to a Golgi Aparatus???
by saint on
Jun 2, 2006 9:35 AM PDT
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oh boy...
by Sharon on
Jun 2, 2006 9:23 AM PDT
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he meant "neuralizer"
by Poppy on
Jun 2, 2006 9:24 AM PDT
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Jennifer should post that picture again.
by Sharon on
Jun 2, 2006 9:25 AM PDT
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If Sal is so angry,
by Sharon on
Jun 2, 2006 9:36 AM PDT
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<censored> you.
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:39 AM PDT
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What?
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:24 AM PDT
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On the extreme off-chance that you ever manage
Btw, thanks for the new sig line.
by McFood on
Jun 2, 2006 9:25 AM PDT
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That's it.
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:27 AM PDT
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{points & laughs at sal's vibrational node}
by Poppy on
Jun 2, 2006 9:34 AM PDT
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Harsh.
by Sharon on
Jun 2, 2006 9:34 AM PDT
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LOL!
by peanut gallery on
Jun 2, 2006 9:58 AM PDT
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By the way,
by Sharon on
Jun 2, 2006 9:38 AM PDT
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Two in the last two days.
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 9:39 AM PDT
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Free porn!
by peanut gallery on
Jun 2, 2006 9:59 AM PDT
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of course it feels good
by OaklandSi on
Jun 2, 2006 9:36 AM PDT
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It all starts with approach:
If he is, or thinks he is, a power hitter he will open up more and try and pull the ball.
Most of what a hitter is going to do is decided before the ball leaves the pitchers hand. Then he/she has a blink of an eye to react.
by saint on Jun 2, 2006 9:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Two structural issues
- Power hitters are accustomed to being rewarded for the results of pulling the ball throughout their minor-league careers, facing pitchers against whom one can even pull middle-away pitches. When they make the jump to the majors, where pitchers are both throwing harder and shifting the hitter's line of sight with pitches more effectively, it becomes a lot harder to make decent contact pulling the ball -- but there's a perception and performance lag from the years of established behavior by the hitters.
- The A's organization, in particular, emphasizes waiting for a pitch the batter can drive -- and this usually means in practice only ever swinging when the batter thinks he can pull the ball.
by monkeyball on Jun 2, 2006 9:55 AM PDT 0 recs
Nice comments...
But also you have an organization that puts alot of emphasis into "wait for your pitch to drive" what we call playing Big Ball. Theory goes you get better pitches deep in the count and the pitchers pitch count goes up. So if the pitch you drive is inside (which all batters do) you are encouraged to do that. So you can see the two sides. A's play big ball, so without great hitters this is a big problem. We had big success with this a few years ago with our big hitters. We just need to turn the volume up on our bats. Now go get some espresso and back to work!
by asfan777 on Jun 2, 2006 10:06 AM PDT 0 recs
to pull the ball
as a hitter, i am happy hitting anything where i can get full extension, whether it be to right, center or left (i'm right handed) - but, for some reason, nothing feels as good as getting your hips open, turning through the ball and really stinging one to left (although a frozen rope to oppo gap is pretty close)
for more than you ever wanted to know about bat ball collisions, vibrational nodes etc, check out this website.
by Backspin on Jun 2, 2006 10:19 AM PDT 0 recs
See!
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 10:22 AM PDT
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I thought technocratic oligarchies ruled
by monkeyball on
Jun 2, 2006 10:23 AM PDT
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Technocratic oligarchies are so 1987.
by Ozzz on
Jun 2, 2006 10:29 AM PDT
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well...
(And yes, also quite genuinely informative for those of us who have never played baseball.)
by Poppy on
Jun 2, 2006 10:32 AM PDT
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tease away
by Backspin on
Jun 2, 2006 11:22 AM PDT
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a word to the wise...
by Poppy on
Jun 2, 2006 11:34 AM PDT
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Whoo! Science!
by salb918 on
Jun 2, 2006 11:38 AM PDT
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I thought it was so simple:
But I last swung at a baseball about 33 years ago, and as usual, missed. What do I know?
by matthias on Jun 2, 2006 10:19 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm doing my part ...
by monkeyball on
Jun 2, 2006 10:23 AM PDT
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Mmmm...monkey jerkey
by McFood on
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Monkeys can't swim.
by Ozzz on
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itsy-bitsy speedboats
by monkeyball on
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Like Shriners?
by Ozzz on
Jun 2, 2006 3:22 PM PDT
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not mine ...
by monkeyball on
Jun 2, 2006 4:06 PM PDT
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Or F-Rod's.
They miss the egg, then sulk off.
by Ozzz on
Jun 2, 2006 6:30 PM PDT
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Bullpen cart?
by McFood on
Jun 2, 2006 10:46 AM PDT
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I was 11 damn seconds from the big time
Story of my life. If I had been 4 seconds faster in the 40 yd. dash I would have been All American.
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
Except for my wedding, in which I still wasn't the bride.
by McFood on
Jun 2, 2006 10:49 AM PDT
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I don't know, but I was the most willing...
by McFood on
Jun 2, 2006 11:59 AM PDT
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My great grandfather held the 100m world record
True story. He also quit comedy school because he figured Vaudeville was dead and those new fangled moving pictures weren't ever going to catch on. His classmates, a pair of guys with the names Laurel, Hardy, and Chaplin, stuck it out and finished the course.
My great grandfather knew a thing or two about being a bridesmaid.
by Ozzz on
Jun 2, 2006 3:20 PM PDT
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Eric Byrnes
Oh, and Nico, do you really teach sixth grade?
by rich on Jun 2, 2006 10:56 AM PDT 0 recs
Yes, I am a teacher and counselor
by Nico on Jun 2, 2006 11:31 AM PDT 0 recs
I take it you dont
by Ben25 on Jun 2, 2006 11:40 AM PDT 0 recs
Not true at all
You would think, and hope, that the difference between hitting .230 and .300 might outweigh the potential for the "good feeling" of the "perfect pull hit".
A lot of it comes down to discipline. These guys are too high up on the ladder, and too well paid, to succumb to the "lure of the pull hit" without my asking, "How about the lure of success?"
by Nico on
Jun 2, 2006 12:45 PM PDT
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To play devil's advocate
by jeepers on
Jun 2, 2006 1:35 PM PDT
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No, I'm saying there's a reason
So if a player is musing to himself, "Hmm...Would I rather emulate the styles employed by Carew and Olerud, or the styles employed by Steve Balboni and Jose Hernandez?" you would think the answer was obvious.
The solution is just as clear: It's up to the "chicks" to start digging .320 averages and stop digging the long ball. Ladies of AN, do you hear me? Next time Croz lines a soft single to right, I want to hear 8 foxy voices around the stadium all cooing, in unison, "Ooh, Bobby, now THAT'S hot!!!"
by Nico on
Jun 2, 2006 2:23 PM PDT
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I am reading alot more into
by ak_A on
Jun 2, 2006 3:27 PM PDT
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or, as the case may be ...
by monkeyball on
Jun 2, 2006 4:07 PM PDT
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Well, I've always felt
And he always swings really hard.
Long. And hard.
by Nick on
Jun 2, 2006 4:41 PM PDT
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Hmm, maybe this is really
by ak_A on
Jun 2, 2006 4:05 PM PDT
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or, as the case may be ...
by monkeyball on
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something about left handed
by ak_A on
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Sounds like you're just
by Nico on
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Hey, nice writing Nico!
<answers phone> What's that? I'm fired?
Shoot.
by baseballgirl on Jun 2, 2006 11:42 AM PDT 0 recs
bbg fired?
by salb918 on
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Fire roasted?
Lunch time!

