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I'll Huff And I'll P--...Oops

OK, first some stray "game-related thoughts" before today's "discussion starter"...

  • Just a brilliant play by Lugo in the 9th, not only to let the ball drop but to refrain from throwing to the lead base. The correct play is exactly what Lugo did, because 99% of the time, when the ball drops, the runner at second will initially take off (had Payton simply stayed on second base, the Devil Rays could only have gotten one out). Remember this in case a more common scenario occurs later in the season: runner at first, nobody out, bunt popped up to, say, the pitcher. Correct play: let it drop, then throw to first. Anyway, major props to Lugo for that play. Not so much for Huff on the next play.
  • How classic that a Kendall walk-off at bat would be a nice roller right to the third baseman. LOL.
  • Dan Johnson's walk in the 9th inning was crucial to the inning. That's one thing I really like about Johnson: Unlike Crosby, or Payton, or even Kotsay a lot of the time, even when he's not hitting Johnson will see some pitches and take a walk.
  • The Bay Alarm homerun contestant today was Jack Yu. What do you think: Cruel parents or fan prank?
OK, on to a "discussion starter" about the Big Hurt...or is it the Big Ho-Hum?...

There are an increasing number of Doubting Thomases, ranging from those who weigh 6 weeks of futility differently than they weigh 2 weeks of futility to those who just believe the name Thomas is cursed. I was one who firmly believed Frank Thomas would lock in right about when he hit 70-80 "practice ABs," and am puzzled--and now a bit concerned--by his apparent ability to find a bat-sized hole in the middle of the baseball whenever he swings at a pitch down the middle.

Is Frank Thomas "done," or is 6 weeks just not enough time for a player to establish what his "norm" for a 6-week period will be? There are very few reasons to compare Frank Thomas to Victor Martinez, as one tends not to draw likenesses between a healthy, budding superstar in his prime and a crippled, aging superstar in his twilight--or between a switch-hitting catcher and a right-handed DH, for that matter. But let me do it anyway, just to put an optimistic twist on the Frank Thomas situation.

In Victor Martinez last year, the Indians had a guy who hadn't proven whether he was "great" or just "potentially great," simply because he didn't have enough of a track record yet. In Frank Thomas this year, the A's have a guy who hasn't proven whether he can be "great" or just "potentially great," simply because he has been great but may or may not be able to replicate some of his past performance. Martinez got off to a dreadful start in 2005. He hit .207 in April, with a .329 slugging percentage and a .620 OPS. May was no kinder, as he hit .213 and actually saw his OPS drop to .602. He couldn't reach base 30% of the time in either month, nor could he slug better than .333 in either month. He was, essentially, Neifi Perez when Perez is in a slump.

The Indians stuck with Victor Martinez and he hit .380 after the All-Star Break, then picked up where he left off and is batting .378 so far this season--with an OPS of 1.048. So sometimes you just have to know when to cut your losses, because sometimes you have Eric Karros, and he doesn't have anything left in the tank, and sometimes you have Keith Ginter, and he won't have more than one good season as a big league hitter. And then sometimes you just have to give it more than 2 months.

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Glad to see that gameday cleared up the Scutaro AB
"Marco Scutaro grounds into double play, second baseman Ty Wigginton to third baseman Aubrey Huff to shortstop Julio Lugo to second baseman Ty Wigginton to shortstop Julio Lugo to second baseman Ty Wigginton.    Dan Johnson out at 2nd.    Marco Scutaro out at 2nd."

LOL

"sheez, they don't even have the humanity to put in Street to do a quick mercy killing." by lee From Pinstripe Alley (Thu Apr 06, 2006)

by AsFan4mFrisco on May 6, 2006 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

that's not accurate either
lugo started the DP. i THINK it should go lugo to wigginton to huff to lugo to huff to wigginton

by vishal on May 6, 2006 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lugo never actually
threw to Huff. He faked the throw, then missed the tag on Payton going by him back towards second, then threw to Wiggington on the bag. Then Wiggington kept tagging everybody but the umpire over and over until he got an "out" call.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what happened.
I was just being sarcastic because gameday froze up and nobody posted and explanation on AN for a while. Its funny what they wrote on there though. Makes it look like their infield was playing catch with each other for a while.
"sheez, they don't even have the humanity to put in Street to do a quick mercy killing." by lee From Pinstripe Alley (Thu Apr 06, 2006)

by AsFan4mFrisco on May 6, 2006 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah
i threw an extra huff in there. my memory was closer than gameday, though :)

by vishal on May 6, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had to watch it again.
Lugo lets it drop, throws to Wigginton. Wigginton throws to Huff. Huff throws to Lugo. Lugo throws to Wigginton.

<head explodes>

In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
"sheez, they don't even have the humanity to put in Street to do a quick mercy killing." by lee From Pinstripe Alley (Thu Apr 06, 2006)

by AsFan4mFrisco on May 6, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

From CBS Game Recap:
6-4-5-6-4 DP. We win!
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

about Frank Thomas
my understanding has always been that the A's took a very affordable risk with him. That is, he may or may not have enough left to constitute a credible threat in the lineup. If he doesn't they may have to decide at some point to cut their losses. But I don't think it's quite that time yet -- and at least they didn't spend as much as they did for Karros.

...Although I must say, Karros didn't get many at bats, so even if there was anything left it would have been hard to know. Thomas is getting every chance to show the A's one way or the other.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2006 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Thomas is...
...getting every chance and that's fine. He will be the first to know if he's lost it, if he can't get around on the ball in time anymore. Billy and the coaches will know, too. His body language is not encouraging, IMO, but that reading may be wrong. He really hasn't played in a long time, so he may need more at bats. While we are all a little worried, we can't be surprised. This was a gamble from the beginning. Billy (and probably Thomas) will decide when to stop the bleeding, if that becomes necessary. One thing, however: without more offense from the DH, this team is likely to be a carbon copy of last year.

by doubleplayer on May 6, 2006 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...
at his best he was twice the hitter Karros ever was.

Let's hope there are a few arrows left in the quiver.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on May 6, 2006 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think
that Frank will be the first to know if he's lost it.  In a league full of egomaniacs, Frank is at the head of the line.  
I'm all for the A's continuing giving him chances for now, he has basically been out of the game for two years, but he looked terrible yesterday.  He was getting blown away by an 89 mph fastball.

by IndianaAsfan on May 6, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would stick with him for the rest of
May at least and see what happens...or rather hope something happens.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 But will 2006 do the trix?

by ak_A on May 6, 2006 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

"Milton/Huston day-to-day"?
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had the same elbow "thing"
last week. I'm sure he's going to be day-to-day until December. Honestly, when you think about it, aren't we all day-to-day? I'm sure he's fine. Just like Harden, Esteban, Milty, Huston, and Crosby.
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my grandmother
was "day-to-day" for 91 years, and generally did very well except for one day.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That one day
is a tough one to come back from though...

by IndianaAsfan on May 6, 2006 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

<sob>

White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.
I love my dead grandmother.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW...
"day-to-day" isn't official. I'm sure he's fine. Really. Macha wasn't picking up Duke's arm off the field. Positive. It was a piece of trash. Macha loves to recycle! I swear!
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

<Dies laughing>
"Day-to-day."
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 6, 2006 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

They said it sounds like tendenitis...
Might be out a couple of days. Glad there is an off day on Monday.
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by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

tendinitis
is a long-term condition :/

by vishal on May 6, 2006 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.
Speaking (writing) as one w/ elbow tendinitis.  Treatment = rest.  Failing that cortisone shot (very painful in the elbow for some reason).  After 3 shots and physical therapy you give up and try acupuncture, botox (it's experimental), autologous blood injection (also experimental), or surgery (my orthopedic surgeon swears it's pretty successful, but it creeps me out).  
"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on May 7, 2006 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think that FT's value
has not been limited to his admittedly disappointing outcome statistically so far.

The success, unprecedented this early in the season, for Chavez has been in no small part due to the better pitches he has seen with FT batting behind him, there is no disputing that.  When opposing pitchers see the Big Hurt in that on-deck circle, who looks like something out of "Land of the Giants" swinging a bat that resembles a toothpick in his hands, they are that much more around the plate (also likely to throw more fastballs, less breaking stuff) to Chop, allowing him better pitches to swing at and thus the much improved results we have seen.  It doesn't matter if he's 1-for 30, the pitcher still sees the Big Hurt, and IMO that can only help Eric.

I also love FT's intensity and involvement. He has been a great help to Swisher especially, who follows him around like Bill Walton following the Grateful Dead, picking his brain.  This is one among many reasons why Swish is posting MVP-type numbers so far, but a vital part of the equation for a 2nd-year player still finding his feet nonetheless.

FT could play the pampered, future-Hall-of-Fame superstar and sit quietly in his own Barry Bonds-world (where it's his dream and everyone else is just in it), but he has been SO involved on the bench, cheering us on.  This may sound useless and I know we have him to do more than cheerlead, but intangibles like this energy and leadership factor are tremendously valuable in a marathon season full of peaks and valleys.

I also think as the weather heats up the "old man" will do the same, and we can in all likelihood look for some memorable hits from him as the season wears on.  Just having him still healthy and not on crutches is important at this point.

1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on May 6, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

So wait
MVP's in their prime Jason Giambi and Miguel Tejada weren't enough to get Chavez good pitches 2 or 3 years ago but an aging, hurting, sub .200 hitting Frank Thomas is the key to Chavez hitting .314/.398/.657 as opposed to his customary .275/.350/.500?

Sorry, no offense, but I'm just not buying that.

by walk off bunt on May 7, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas
The affordable risk the A's took almost exclusively had to do with whether or not Thomas could remain healthy. He has.

Last year he has hitting a homer every 12 at bats or so, in about 120 abs. There just isn't any reason to think that he suddenly has lost it. What is Thomas saying? Does he feel close? Right now every at bat sounds like, "Swung on, flyball to center, it's playable for . . . ." Every at bat.

This just seems strange. None of us speculated that he would just suck. That he would be no threat. He hit a homer off Johnson in his first AB. He nearly hit a grand slam two day later.

What the hell is going on? I have to believe that he's just slumping.

Eventually he will start hitting like we hoped.

And then immediately get injured.

by RLangford on May 6, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

You know, my gut
tells me that's exactly how it might play out: Frank T. will finally "turn it on," will remind us of what White Sox fans got used to, and will then get hurt, prompting unanswered questions about "what might have been".

Awful thought, but certainly one of the many possibilities.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet Macha wants the A's to follow Thomas' example
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060506&content_id=1440525& ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

OAKLAND -- With his team continuing to struggle offensively, A's manager Ken Macha has been tweaking his lineup on a daily basis. He's hoping to catch fire by adjusting the order.

"We've got to be frank -- we have some guys who are struggling," Macha said.

...just kidding...

by the way, the writer of the above article, Rick Eymer, thinks there's a pitcher in the A's bullpen named "Juan Flores"...

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2006 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is Juan Flores.
It was thought to be Santiago Casilla, but it turns out that Casilla is actually Juan Flores' uncle's 68 year old gardener.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe BB will send Macha a mesage...
written in fire-o-glyphics.
In defense of the Einar Diaz trade, his stats are very good. He has an excellent vowel/consonant ratio.

by McFood on May 6, 2006 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha
well, the Indians announcers kept referring to macha as "kenny maha"...maha is going out to the mound, maha is making a change...whoever heard of a silent "c"?????
But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on May 6, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

.219
He also hit .219 last year.

by Larry E on May 7, 2006 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Franks Own opinion
I was at the game yesterday and had a little chat with Frank while he was hanging around the dugout before the game. He said its killing him why he cant seem to get it going. (his own words) He knows he is better than what he is giving us and he knows it will change its  just one of those times that every player goes through.
I dont think anyone really doubts that he can hit and it definetly seems to be getting to himas much as it is to us. I do think he has tremendous value just from being in the lineup, he's taking walks, he is making the pitchers think about him because they all believe too that at some point he is really going to start to hit and they dont want it to be off them. As for his presence in the clubhouse, if you dont think that Frank has a lot to do with Swishers early season form then where do you give credit too?

by Mantecan As Fan on May 7, 2006 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't be surprised if the Rays bean Kendall tmrw
Then he charges the mound again! Then May is Melheuse month!
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by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL
Is anyone listening to Extra Innings?? Wash was explaining the Crosby play at home where he got excited and started saying "go, go, go" and Croz stopped cuz he thought Wash was saying "no, no, no".

by alamedagirl on May 6, 2006 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Ha!
I was reading the wrap and it sounded like a sly play by Crosby when really it was just a miscommunication.

by RenoTy on May 6, 2006 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can a team
get 10 of its first 15 hitters on base and not score at all? Ask the Giants.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish we had gotten Vasquez instead of Loaiza.
In 5 games, 3-1, 3.00 ERA, 33IP, 27K, 8BB.
Argh! Where was Billy on this guy?
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by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Vazquez was tremendous in the WBC
I saw him pitch against the Dominican team there. Evidently pitching in the WBC didn't hurt him at all.

By the way, didn't the White Sox get him in a trade, as opposed to a free agent signing? Also, Vazquez has been pretty adamant in the past about not playing on the West Coast. His beef? He doesn't want to be so far from home (Puerto Rico) during the season. From Chicago it's just one 4 1/2 flight, whereas from the Bay Area it's two flight minimum and nine hours at least.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I.. I .. did not know that...
I tip my hat to you, that is great knowledge.
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by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if this is right but...
If Payton had committed to third, and Scutaro had made it to first, then Lugo would have looked stupid. I guess that play could have gone either way.
But then again, Mr. GIDP would have come up and things could have been different.
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by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

If Payton had committed
to 3rd, Lugo could have caught the ball for an easy DP. If Payton had committed to staying on second (the correct decision), Lugo would only have gotten one out (Dan Johnson), runners would be at 1st and 2nd, and it would be exactly the same as if Lugo had caught the ball--except Payton would be the runner at 2B instead of Johnson, making it a slightly bad play for TB.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I take that
last part back: If Payton commits to staying on second, Lugo can still get a DP, but he has to tag Payton first before stepping on second base; if he steps on second base, he removes the force and Payton is entitled to second base.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I'm even more confused
I thought it was bad when I first heard about the play. Now it's confounding.

by RenoTy on May 6, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's definitely confusing
The most important things to remember are that:
  1. unless the infield-fly rule is called, a fly ball that isn't caught is a ground ball like any other
  2. a runner who is "forced" to go to the next base is forced until a base behind him is not occupied.
So because of #2, the order of tagging Payton and tagging second base would be key.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basic Question on Infield Fly Rule
WHO calls it?

Off topic -- Nice thing happened at the game today. It was one of those mornings were everything was going wrong and because of a series of mishaps I got to the game too late for a Swisher Bobblehead. As I was crawling over people into my seat, I complain to Batgirl that I didn't get a bobblehead. And this sweet little boy sitting nearby pipes up and says -- I've got two! Do you want one? WHAT A SWEETIE! I took it and it made my day.

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is wonderful
...I imagine someone gave him another one.

But I have always wondered how people end up with 2, 3, 4, or more of the giveaways.

On A's fleece blanket night I saw people leaving -- before the game -- with arms full of the blankets.

And on Dennis Eckersley jersey day -- where I arrived at 10:30 am but just missed getting a jersey after waiting on a very long line -- I saw a woman up in 317 with FIVE.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2006 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

awwww
:)
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Similar thing happened to me once
Except I noticed that a nine year old kid had multiple bobbleheads, so I aked if I could have one.  When he refused, a pushed him down, grabbed both giveaways, and ran.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's remarkable, salb--
a similar thing happened to me, except the kid wasn't holding anything, and he was a crippled orphan.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a big difference
between your story and mine.  The nine year old in my story was actually taller than me.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it a textbook Infield fly rule?
From the basic info, it seems like the Umps should have called it.  What's the deal?

by MobiusKlein on May 6, 2006 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Triple play
If Payton stays on 2nd and Lugo tags him out THEN steps on the bag, an easy throw to 1st would've been all it would take for the triple play.

by OaktownTribesman on May 6, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh
The bright side of it all is that oakland didn't turn a two out, no out, bottom ninth situation into an inning ending triple play.  Had that happened, all talk of Marco Scutaro's clutchness would have disappeared.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude...
...it's SCOOT! People would conveniently forget about the triple play.
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT, that's true if,
and ONLY if, Scoot had "not bothered" to run to first because after all, the ball was "going to be caught". But if he so much as trots, they really can't get a triple play.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I was under the impression Lugo was much closer to the bag than he was. Upon seeing the replay, he wouldn't have enough time. If it's Bengie Molina at the plate, though, who knows...

by OaktownTribesman on May 6, 2006 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually
Somebody now told me that there's a rule that you can't apply a tag for a force out a runner is still on the bag. You can force him at the base he's supposed to be going to, and you can tag him out on the basepaths, but no tagging out while he's on second, regardless of the force.

by OaktownTribesman on May 7, 2006 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

isnt this why the infield fly rule SHOULD
have been called?  you cant freeze the baserunners like that, can you?  otherwise, that play would happen every time there is a fly ball near the infield...
tdwclark

by tdwclark on May 7, 2006 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well
It wasn't a fly ball, it was a soft liner. Should there probably be a infield soft liner rule too? Either way, the play did make the game more interesting, so I say keep it that way. You don't want EVERY single ball in play in baseball completely predictable.

by OaktownTribesman on May 7, 2006 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh... my... god.
This is one of those 'two beer minimum' games. Geez. My head STILL hurts from watching that.

Congrats to Swisher for more-or-less beating the bobblehead curse! I assume that the curse kept him from hitting HRs, and resulted in that craptastic dive for the ball and the ugly AB. Much better than any other curse day. And having righty and lefty bobbleheads is pretty badass, it was freaky to see all those around the ballpark. My righty is gonna be hanging out with Huston, I think. If an FT bobblehead joins them, Bobble Swish and Bobble Frank may have to learn a Bobble handshake.

Mad props to The Zeet. He pitched a hell of a game today, looked VERY good for the most part. Didn't like the number of three ball counts, but it was great to see him get in there with a lot of first pitch strikes. The boy remembered his daily dose of FITZ today, and it was lovely to see.

I cry for the Duke. :-( Hella glad to see how he didn't get rattled by the HR and dealt with the inning despite the elbow. ...I think we've officially seen ENOUGH of Larry Davis for the season.

Adam Melhuse. Bitch yeah.

Jay Payton has discovered the FUTURE of A's baseball. A brand of smallball appropriate to our franchise's teachings. A way to combine the precious, precious walk with the SB. Jay Payton, I salute you.

Joe Kennedy is freaking me out, the difference between his stats and his performance is... dare I say it? ...Rinconlike. I mean. DAMN. Him getting the victory is proof positive of how messed up the rules of the game are. Poor Zito (side note: watching his leg kick today was beautiful. Oakland ballet has been reincarnated into Barry Zito's windup).

This game was so weird, my brain still hurts. Hell of a way to end it, though, seems like the appropriate thing with Kendall at bat. These boys know how to work a walkoff win.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 6, 2006 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Bobble Hand shake!
That is freaking awesome!!

I am so happy Swish escaped the curse unscathed. I agree that it probably prevented any home runs, and some of those catches were a little rough, to say the least, but he came out alive and didn't do anything to cost the game. No errors recorded and even a double to start the game. So all in all, considering the curse, a pretty good day!

I completely agree that it is so messed up that Zito didn't get that win. He was fabulous today. Kennedy was NOT! I really hope Zito can keep up this fire he seems to have right now. It is great!

"Now, I'm not the guy who's in trouble, it's the guy on the mound who's in trouble.'' Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on May 6, 2006 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please don't let Bobble Swish
try to teach Bobble Huston a handshake. I'm afraid Nick will hurt Huston.

I put my little Bobble Crosby Bobbyhead on his own separate shelf, just so he couldn't hurt anyone.

In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL. Poor Bobble Crosby!
Maybe that bobblehead should have come with free bubblewrap.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 7, 2006 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean "bobble"wrap?
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 7, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kennedy
Why so hard on Kennedy. He only gave up 1 hit in the inning. The two walks were intentional. I thought he did a great job of situational pitching after the soft double by Crawford.

by Larry E on May 7, 2006 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because that's been the story for him so far--
He's looked damn ugly, but he's gotten the job done in the end. However, seeing him do a damn ugly job is absolutely terrifying. Travis Lee had some UGLY swings -- I may be wrong since I was sitting at a slight angle, but from what I saw it looks like he pretty much gave Kennedy that strikeout.

And the fact that the first intentional ball looked like it was gonna fly over Kendall's head. And that according to gameday, 9 of his pitches were strikes in that inning. Out of 21. He settled down a lot near the end and got the outs, but it was absolutely terrifying watching him pitch. He got the job done, but it hurt to watch, and that's what worries me since it's been happening a bit to start the season.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 7, 2006 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question
I seem to remember that an umpire can rule against a fielder for letting a soft liner drop in order to turn a DP.  Am I totally wrong that this is the case, and if not, under what circumstances would an umpire penalize a fielder for this?
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I know the ump can do this
if the IF touched the ball in the air and guides it to the ground, or lets it bounce off his hands.  But I don't know if there are other situations where the ump can call it an out.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 6, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember in Anaheim
last year, an ump called that against Ellis? Except I think it was a bad call, but that's what the call was--that Ellis had dropped a soft liner intentionally by guiding it to the ground. That, and the infield-fly rule, are the only times I know of where the ump could impose the out on a ball that wasn't caught.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's where I remember it.
I remember the call against Ellis last year.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember that....now that you mentioned it
please, maybe you can bring up some other lost memories...this is amazing.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 But will 2006 do the trix?

by ak_A on May 6, 2006 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your uncle molested you
when you were 3. Sorry you had to remember this way.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

<bang!, thud>
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 But will 2006 do the trix?

by ak_A on May 6, 2006 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A simple solution
Frank Thomas should hit leadoff! Look at his stats with 0 on, 0 out: .345/.424/.862/1.286 with 5 HR You won't find a better leadoff thn that. Put him into the slot where he's smashing the ball this year.

by Bambi on May 6, 2006 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, I mean c'mon...
sometimes this game looks just like Little League...these two teams were awful today:  Zito behind hitters all day; terrible ABs, making an average pitcher's line look better than it should; weird plays, gaffs, etc.  I mean I'm glad we won, but this team is pretty lame right now.  And before I get blasted with the positive kharma BS and the like, let me just say again, I am willing to drink as much Kool-Aid as the next guy.  BUT....and this is a huge "but"...this team right now looks as lame as anything we saw last year (w/a few exceptions, thank god)...except this is supposed to be the season we contend again.  
And as long as I am venting:  what is with all these injuries to these fine athletes?  Is the organization just being cautious given that it's still early in the season?  Is the Strength & Conditioning coach to blame?  I mean cmon folks...how can Harden be the stud of the future when he pitches 128 innings a season?  and is Crosby ever going to have an idea at the plate? Duke leaves after a few pitches?  
And how many guys in this line-up are just so pitchable, meaning they can be set up to make outs?  
I know this is bitching....but Ive seen good teams before and this isnt one.  And I know we need to stay positive and there have been bright spots, blah,blah,blah...I'm still waiting for this team to gel and start taking off and i just dont see it on the field.  soon, soon, soon....  
tdwclark

by tdwclark on May 6, 2006 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I think most of us would agree
that the A's haven't had a stretch of playing great yet this season, but it's hard to say how good they are when Harden, Duke and/or Street, Loaiza, and Crosby and/or Bradley are injured.

We have some depth this year, but...Payton is not as good as Bradley, Saarloos is not as good as Harden, Halsey is not as good as (a healthy) Loaiza, and on and on. Depth will allow us to tread water (as we're doing) instead of drown (as we were doing a year ago this month), but it won't get us 95 wins.

And then there's the offense, which isn't that great even when everyone's healthy, because the middle infielders may have been overrated offensively, the first-baseman seems to have lost all his of bat speed overnight, the DH is hitting like a National League pitcher, and the catcher sucks.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow
You've said all that needs to be said right now.
"It was an incredible catch, but I didn't really like his footwork." - Ken Macha

by secret ASian man on May 6, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is freakin' hilarious.
Giants fans are fighting back. I'm now hearing "Let's Go Shopping!"- jeepers

by baseballgirl on May 6, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, but...
what is with all these injuries to these fine athletes?  Is the organization just being cautious given that it's still early in the season?  Is the Strength & Conditioning coach to blame?  I mean cmon folks...how can Harden be the stud of the future when he pitches 128 innings a season?
And this doesnt address the lousy plate approach by the hitters (refer to Johnson's utter confusion on the count, which apparently confused everyone on the field, including the groundscrew). Or Zito's lack of a game plan...pitched well enough to win against a bad lineup, but he would've been killed by NYY or CLE or CWS,dontcha think?  Unless his plan is to stay behind hitters and use 112 pitches to go seven innings.  Not bad, just not good.
Look...lets agree that this club is treading water right now.  But the most frustrating thing to me is how it seems these guys are made of glass...everyone is hurt and the depth will only last so long.  What happens during the dog days, etc?  The AL is fairly weak this season and I just thought this club was built to rise above all that...apparently we are the 2003 Angels.
tdwclark

by tdwclark on May 7, 2006 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

NYY ahead of TEX - 6-1 in the bottom of the 7th
Finally, time to catch up in the standings.
It's Lehmer's Concord Pontiac GMC Broadcast booth!

by OaktownRajah on May 6, 2006 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

barry zito trade to the mets
did anyone watch baseball tonight....they are talking about zito going to the mets for a AAA guy... a position player......

by jaacee007 on May 6, 2006 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes
Brantley, Olney and Reiss were just discussing it. Talked to Cliff Floyd about getting Zito. Cliff said he would rather have Lastings.
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

how many times has Zito
been traded over the last six months?

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2006 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two fewer than Doug Mirabelli
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 6, 2006 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that on BBTN,
but I think it's pretty ridiculous, simply because Harden and Loaiza are so uncertain that there is no way the A's could trade Zito, not get a starter in return, and consider themselves solid in 2006. Given health and good performance from Harden, Loaiza, Haren, and Blanton, I could see it. Now, it's just not going to happen.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

info on him
Lastings Milledge - New York Mets
POS: OF  
BATS: R    THROWS: R    
AGE, DOB: 21, 4/5/1985  
On 40 Man Roster: no  
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Career Stats | 2006 Game Log | Past Outlooks | NY-N Team Page | Sortable Stats
Year Age* Lg Tm G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
2004 19 A Cap 65 261 88 22 1 13 58 66 23 6 17 53 .337 .399 .579 .978
2004 19 A St. 22 81 19 6 2 2 8 6 3 2 9 21 .235 .319 .432 .751
2005 20 A St. 62 232 70 15 0 4 22 48 18 13 19 41 .302 .385 .418 .803
2005 20 AA BIN 48 193 65 17 0 4 24 33 11 5 14 47 .337 .392 .487 .879
2006 21 AAA NOR 29 102 34 8 2 3 10 18 7 2 19 18 .333 .465 .539 1.004

*age as of 7/1 of that season

by jaacee007 on May 6, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

The damper on this game
is Duke. Zito goes 7 great innings and it seems like our bullpen will have a relatively easy time of it. Instead, we may lose Duke again for a couple of days. Not good. :(

by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Duke is suffering from deadness.
Don't worry. He's day-to-day. Minor, really.
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's fine.
He should be able to go tomorrow. Or Monday. Definitely Tuesday. Friday at the latest. Sorry, I meant July. August if everything goes right.
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 6, 2006 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

August 2007
He's totally ok.
White cleats = pure, unadulterated SEX. --Kyli

by Sharon on May 6, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very clever, ladies and gentlemen:
Notice how Jennifer, from the A's esteemed P.R. staff, did not mention August of which year.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Y'all are clearly from the school
that believes in ripping off the bandaid and then rubbing lots of salt in the wound.

No more puppies and sunshine again. Ever.

<dies>

by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

DL
No need to DL him though.

by Larry E on May 7, 2006 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, put it in perspective, Sharon:
Sure, Duke is dead, but his condition is better than Loaiza's, and Esteban insists he can make his next start no problem.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

things 'n' stuff
  1. Big Frank.  I'm glad he's cheap... if he's not hitting at least .250 by the end of this month, I'm done with him.  No, I'm not kidding in that "mock H8r" way to make him get started.  I'm seriously done with him May 31 if he's still not doing anything useful. (And he shouldn't be the September bobblehead... that really pisses me off. Yes, he's a future HOF-er, but this is his first and maybe only year in Oakland.  I want pointless collectible doodads that represent players that we might actually feel an attachment to, before they get sold off {{{coughElliscoughDJcoughScootercough}}}...)
  2. I'm worried about Duke (-scherer, that is, not -of Left Field...)
  3. This adorable little old lady sitting next to us with a scorebook dropped about three F-bombs while trying to figure out that weird DP in the 9th inning.  I thought I was going to die laughing.
  4. Losing track of "things that are counted" (like balls and outs) is kind of a habit with DJ, isn't it?  Wasn't he the one who started to run off the field last year after only two outs?
  5. IMPORTANT QUESTION:  What were Swish and Huston doing being filmed with bobbleheads before the game???  Separately, they were each given a couple of bobbleheads and it looked like they were making them have a bobbleconversation while being filmed.  WTF?
I just gave birth to twins!!! JayPay and Joe K. are the fathers!!!! ~~ McFood

by Poppy on May 6, 2006 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Poppy ?
 I think You and I need to start the Mark Ellis fan club!

by IM4Oakgal on May 6, 2006 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

A bobbleconversation?
OMG. Please tell me there'll be a commercial with that. Please.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 7, 2006 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope it's *something* we'll get to see...
Swish was also bobbling his own head while making the dolls talk to each other...  LOL
I just gave birth to twins!!! JayPay and Joe K. are the fathers!!!! ~~ McFood

by Poppy on May 7, 2006 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

They aired Swish
and the two heads "talking", along with Swish bobbling his own head. No audio. :( No Huston, either.
In *your* endo.

by Jennifer on May 7, 2006 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

No audio?!
Why they hell bother to actually put a mic and transmitter on Swish (which they did) and then NOT INCLUDE THE AUDIO?!

The bobbleconversation must have been obscene.

I just gave birth to twins!!! JayPay and Joe K. are the fathers!!!! ~~ McFood

by Poppy on May 7, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

i want to thank you guys. i have had a horrible
day and you guys and your comments have made it a little better. i needed a good laugh today.

ok i'm done with the mushy stuff.

by larrysgurl on May 6, 2006 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

<AN huddle, everyone:
Are we going to tell larrysgurl that Duchscherer really is dead? Wait until tomorrow? Sounds good.>

So...Nice weather today, huh?...

by Nico on May 6, 2006 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quote on DJ and I am lauging so hard!
"I really thought it was ball four," Johnson said. "For some reason, I missed a ball somewhere, or everybody missed a ball I saw. I guess you see something new every day in baseball."

by arch on May 6, 2006 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Uhm,
did that really count as a SB for Payton? Like, really count?
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on May 6, 2006 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really--
Talk about defensive indifference.

by Nico on May 6, 2006 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

edit
The above comment was in response to Thomas struggling.

by znk916 on May 6, 2006 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big Bad Frank
I loved the deal for Thomas at the time, low risk, low reward, a great way to see what he can still do.  What I don't understand is why he only bats cleanup.   No way to kill a rally like Crosby and Thomas, our very own Gruesome Twosome, batting 3-4.  Mlech.
   I say bat him 7th or 8th and give him until mid-June.  If he's up to .230 or so, he stays.  But .190 doesn't cut it, even with power and patience.  Perhaps a full-time gig as Swish's mentor?

by tonyphillips on May 6, 2006 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

big hurt=dave parker
if history always repeats, then big hurt equals dave parker as an a. his brief tenure brought on the championship years and i can see the same happening today.

agree with you on his line up pos.

by rickmonday on May 7, 2006 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aubrey Huff won't always be there...
Maybe I'll post these numbers now and then:

                   Avg.  AB   R    H    HR    RBI    TB     OBP    SLG

J Kendall     .253   79    8   20    0        7     24    .358    .304
A Melhuse   .333   25    1     7    0        4       9    .333    .360
J Brown      .323   65    9   21    3      10      32    .395    .492

Make of them what you will.  I pass no judgements...

...but one more weak grounder with runners in scoring positon, and I might seriously hurt myself with that little wooden spoon thingy they give you with the frozen chocolate malts.

by Mission1929 on May 7, 2006 1:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Brown
Is in AAA, that should probably be mentioned, and there isn't that big of a sample size of Melhuse (which is also Macha's fault). Anyone know if Brown gets called up with the Kendall suspension?

by Chavez4Prez on May 7, 2006 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brown
Apparently Brown is the 2nd best defensive catcher at AAA. Let's not forget about defence.

by Larry E on May 7, 2006 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brown's been fine at throwing out baserunners
but I doubt he's the 2nd best defensive catcher in AAA. He's got 7 PB, that's got to knock his defensive ranking down.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on May 7, 2006 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

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