I'll Huff And I'll P--...Oops
OK, first some stray "game-related thoughts" before today's "discussion starter"...
- Just a brilliant play by Lugo in the 9th, not only to let the ball drop but to refrain from throwing to the lead base. The correct play is exactly what Lugo did, because 99% of the time, when the ball drops, the runner at second will initially take off (had Payton simply stayed on second base, the Devil Rays could only have gotten one out). Remember this in case a more common scenario occurs later in the season: runner at first, nobody out, bunt popped up to, say, the pitcher. Correct play: let it drop, then throw to first. Anyway, major props to Lugo for that play. Not so much for Huff on the next play.
- How classic that a Kendall walk-off at bat would be a nice roller right to the third baseman. LOL.
- Dan Johnson's walk in the 9th inning was crucial to the inning. That's one thing I really like about Johnson: Unlike Crosby, or Payton, or even Kotsay a lot of the time, even when he's not hitting Johnson will see some pitches and take a walk.
- The Bay Alarm homerun contestant today was Jack Yu. What do you think: Cruel parents or fan prank?
There are an increasing number of Doubting Thomases, ranging from those who weigh 6 weeks of futility differently than they weigh 2 weeks of futility to those who just believe the name Thomas is cursed. I was one who firmly believed Frank Thomas would lock in right about when he hit 70-80 "practice ABs," and am puzzled--and now a bit concerned--by his apparent ability to find a bat-sized hole in the middle of the baseball whenever he swings at a pitch down the middle.
Is Frank Thomas "done," or is 6 weeks just not enough time for a player to establish what his "norm" for a 6-week period will be? There are very few reasons to compare Frank Thomas to Victor Martinez, as one tends not to draw likenesses between a healthy, budding superstar in his prime and a crippled, aging superstar in his twilight--or between a switch-hitting catcher and a right-handed DH, for that matter. But let me do it anyway, just to put an optimistic twist on the Frank Thomas situation.
In Victor Martinez last year, the Indians had a guy who hadn't proven whether he was "great" or just "potentially great," simply because he didn't have enough of a track record yet. In Frank Thomas this year, the A's have a guy who hasn't proven whether he can be "great" or just "potentially great," simply because he has been great but may or may not be able to replicate some of his past performance. Martinez got off to a dreadful start in 2005. He hit .207 in April, with a .329 slugging percentage and a .620 OPS. May was no kinder, as he hit .213 and actually saw his OPS drop to .602. He couldn't reach base 30% of the time in either month, nor could he slug better than .333 in either month. He was, essentially, Neifi Perez when Perez is in a slump.
The Indians stuck with Victor Martinez and he hit .380 after the All-Star Break, then picked up where he left off and is batting .378 so far this season--with an OPS of 1.048. So sometimes you just have to know when to cut your losses, because sometimes you have Eric Karros, and he doesn't have anything left in the tank, and sometimes you have Keith Ginter, and he won't have more than one good season as a big league hitter. And then sometimes you just have to give it more than 2 months.
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Glad to see that gameday cleared up the Scutaro AB
LOL
that's not accurate either
by vishal on May 6, 2006 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Lugo never actually
I have no idea what happened.
by AsFan4mFrisco on May 6, 2006 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
ah
by vishal on May 6, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I had to watch it again.
<head explodes>
LOL
by AsFan4mFrisco on May 6, 2006 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
about Frank Thomas
...Although I must say, Karros didn't get many at bats, so even if there was anything left it would have been hard to know. Thomas is getting every chance to show the A's one way or the other.
Thomas is...
I don't think
I'm all for the A's continuing giving him chances for now, he has basically been out of the game for two years, but he looked terrible yesterday. He was getting blown away by an 89 mph fastball.
by IndianaAsfan on May 6, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I would stick with him for the rest of
"Milton/Huston day-to-day"?
He had the same elbow "thing"
That one day
by IndianaAsfan on May 6, 2006 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
<Dies laughing>
They said it sounds like tendenitis...
Yup.
i think that FT's value
The success, unprecedented this early in the season, for Chavez has been in no small part due to the better pitches he has seen with FT batting behind him, there is no disputing that. When opposing pitchers see the Big Hurt in that on-deck circle, who looks like something out of "Land of the Giants" swinging a bat that resembles a toothpick in his hands, they are that much more around the plate (also likely to throw more fastballs, less breaking stuff) to Chop, allowing him better pitches to swing at and thus the much improved results we have seen. It doesn't matter if he's 1-for 30, the pitcher still sees the Big Hurt, and IMO that can only help Eric.
I also love FT's intensity and involvement. He has been a great help to Swisher especially, who follows him around like Bill Walton following the Grateful Dead, picking his brain. This is one among many reasons why Swish is posting MVP-type numbers so far, but a vital part of the equation for a 2nd-year player still finding his feet nonetheless.
FT could play the pampered, future-Hall-of-Fame superstar and sit quietly in his own Barry Bonds-world (where it's his dream and everyone else is just in it), but he has been SO involved on the bench, cheering us on. This may sound useless and I know we have him to do more than cheerlead, but intangibles like this energy and leadership factor are tremendously valuable in a marathon season full of peaks and valleys.
I also think as the weather heats up the "old man" will do the same, and we can in all likelihood look for some memorable hits from him as the season wears on. Just having him still healthy and not on crutches is important at this point.
So wait
Sorry, no offense, but I'm just not buying that.
by walk off bunt on May 7, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Thomas
Last year he has hitting a homer every 12 at bats or so, in about 120 abs. There just isn't any reason to think that he suddenly has lost it. What is Thomas saying? Does he feel close? Right now every at bat sounds like, "Swung on, flyball to center, it's playable for . . . ." Every at bat.
This just seems strange. None of us speculated that he would just suck. That he would be no threat. He hit a homer off Johnson in his first AB. He nearly hit a grand slam two day later.
What the hell is going on? I have to believe that he's just slumping.
Eventually he will start hitting like we hoped.
And then immediately get injured.
You know, my gut
Awful thought, but certainly one of the many possibilities.
Yet Macha wants the A's to follow Thomas' example
OAKLAND -- With his team continuing to struggle offensively, A's manager Ken Macha has been tweaking his lineup on a daily basis. He's hoping to catch fire by adjusting the order.
"We've got to be frank -- we have some guys who are struggling," Macha said.
...just kidding...
by the way, the writer of the above article, Rick Eymer, thinks there's a pitcher in the A's bullpen named "Juan Flores"...
It is Juan Flores.
Maybe BB will send Macha a mesage...
ha
by johnspaz7 on May 6, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Franks Own opinion
I dont think anyone really doubts that he can hit and it definetly seems to be getting to himas much as it is to us. I do think he has tremendous value just from being in the lineup, he's taking walks, he is making the pitchers think about him because they all believe too that at some point he is really going to start to hit and they dont want it to be off them. As for his presence in the clubhouse, if you dont think that Frank has a lot to do with Swishers early season form then where do you give credit too?
by Mantecan As Fan on May 7, 2006 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I won't be surprised if the Rays bean Kendall tmrw
LOL
Ha!
I wish we had gotten Vasquez instead of Loaiza.
Argh! Where was Billy on this guy?
Vazquez was tremendous in the WBC
By the way, didn't the White Sox get him in a trade, as opposed to a free agent signing? Also, Vazquez has been pretty adamant in the past about not playing on the West Coast. His beef? He doesn't want to be so far from home (Puerto Rico) during the season. From Chicago it's just one 4 1/2 flight, whereas from the Bay Area it's two flight minimum and nine hours at least.
I.. I .. did not know that...
I'm not sure if this is right but...
But then again, Mr. GIDP would have come up and things could have been different.
If Payton had committed
Actually, I take that
Now I'm even more confused
It's definitely confusing
- unless the infield-fly rule is called, a fly ball that isn't caught is a ground ball like any other
- a runner who is "forced" to go to the next base is forced until a base behind him is not occupied.
Basic Question on Infield Fly Rule
Off topic -- Nice thing happened at the game today. It was one of those mornings were everything was going wrong and because of a series of mishaps I got to the game too late for a Swisher Bobblehead. As I was crawling over people into my seat, I complain to Batgirl that I didn't get a bobblehead. And this sweet little boy sitting nearby pipes up and says -- I've got two! Do you want one? WHAT A SWEETIE! I took it and it made my day.
by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
that is wonderful
But I have always wondered how people end up with 2, 3, 4, or more of the giveaways.
On A's fleece blanket night I saw people leaving -- before the game -- with arms full of the blankets.
And on Dennis Eckersley jersey day -- where I arrived at 10:30 am but just missed getting a jersey after waiting on a very long line -- I saw a woman up in 317 with FIVE.
Similar thing happened to me once
That's remarkable, salb--
There's a big difference
Wasn't it a textbook Infield fly rule?
Triple play
by OaktownTribesman on May 6, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
OT, that's true if,
Yeah
by OaktownTribesman on May 6, 2006 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
by OaktownTribesman on May 7, 2006 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
isnt this why the infield fly rule SHOULD
Well
by OaktownTribesman on May 7, 2006 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh... my... god.
Congrats to Swisher for more-or-less beating the bobblehead curse! I assume that the curse kept him from hitting HRs, and resulted in that craptastic dive for the ball and the ugly AB. Much better than any other curse day. And having righty and lefty bobbleheads is pretty badass, it was freaky to see all those around the ballpark. My righty is gonna be hanging out with Huston, I think. If an FT bobblehead joins them, Bobble Swish and Bobble Frank may have to learn a Bobble handshake.
Mad props to The Zeet. He pitched a hell of a game today, looked VERY good for the most part. Didn't like the number of three ball counts, but it was great to see him get in there with a lot of first pitch strikes. The boy remembered his daily dose of FITZ today, and it was lovely to see.
I cry for the Duke. :-( Hella glad to see how he didn't get rattled by the HR and dealt with the inning despite the elbow. ...I think we've officially seen ENOUGH of Larry Davis for the season.
Adam Melhuse. Bitch yeah.
Jay Payton has discovered the FUTURE of A's baseball. A brand of smallball appropriate to our franchise's teachings. A way to combine the precious, precious walk with the SB. Jay Payton, I salute you.
Joe Kennedy is freaking me out, the difference between his stats and his performance is... dare I say it? ...Rinconlike. I mean. DAMN. Him getting the victory is proof positive of how messed up the rules of the game are. Poor Zito (side note: watching his leg kick today was beautiful. Oakland ballet has been reincarnated into Barry Zito's windup).
This game was so weird, my brain still hurts. Hell of a way to end it, though, seems like the appropriate thing with Kendall at bat. These boys know how to work a walkoff win.
"No. It's Oakland."
Bobble Hand shake!
I am so happy Swish escaped the curse unscathed. I agree that it probably prevented any home runs, and some of those catches were a little rough, to say the least, but he came out alive and didn't do anything to cost the game. No errors recorded and even a double to start the game. So all in all, considering the curse, a pretty good day!
I completely agree that it is so messed up that Zito didn't get that win. He was fabulous today. Kennedy was NOT! I really hope Zito can keep up this fire he seems to have right now. It is great!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on May 6, 2006 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Please don't let Bobble Swish
I put my little Bobble Crosby Bobbyhead on his own separate shelf, just so he couldn't hurt anyone.
LOL. Poor Bobble Crosby!
"No. It's Oakland."
Kennedy
Because that's been the story for him so far--
And the fact that the first intentional ball looked like it was gonna fly over Kendall's head. And that according to gameday, 9 of his pitches were strikes in that inning. Out of 21. He settled down a lot near the end and got the outs, but it was absolutely terrifying watching him pitch. He got the job done, but it hurt to watch, and that's what worries me since it's been happening a bit to start the season.
"No. It's Oakland."
Question
I know the ump can do this
Remember in Anaheim
That's where I remember it.
I remember that....now that you mentioned it
<bang!, thud>
A simple solution
Seriously, I mean c'mon...
And as long as I am venting: what is with all these injuries to these fine athletes? Is the organization just being cautious given that it's still early in the season? Is the Strength & Conditioning coach to blame? I mean cmon folks...how can Harden be the stud of the future when he pitches 128 innings a season? and is Crosby ever going to have an idea at the plate? Duke leaves after a few pitches?
And how many guys in this line-up are just so pitchable, meaning they can be set up to make outs?
I know this is bitching....but Ive seen good teams before and this isnt one. And I know we need to stay positive and there have been bright spots, blah,blah,blah...I'm still waiting for this team to gel and start taking off and i just dont see it on the field. soon, soon, soon....
I think most of us would agree
We have some depth this year, but...Payton is not as good as Bradley, Saarloos is not as good as Harden, Halsey is not as good as (a healthy) Loaiza, and on and on. Depth will allow us to tread water (as we're doing) instead of drown (as we were doing a year ago this month), but it won't get us 95 wins.
And then there's the offense, which isn't that great even when everyone's healthy, because the middle infielders may have been overrated offensively, the first-baseman seems to have lost all his of bat speed overnight, the DH is hitting like a National League pitcher, and the catcher sucks.
Wow
by secret ASian man on May 6, 2006 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That is freakin' hilarious.
agreed, but...
And this doesnt address the lousy plate approach by the hitters (refer to Johnson's utter confusion on the count, which apparently confused everyone on the field, including the groundscrew). Or Zito's lack of a game plan...pitched well enough to win against a bad lineup, but he would've been killed by NYY or CLE or CWS,dontcha think? Unless his plan is to stay behind hitters and use 112 pitches to go seven innings. Not bad, just not good.
Look...lets agree that this club is treading water right now. But the most frustrating thing to me is how it seems these guys are made of glass...everyone is hurt and the depth will only last so long. What happens during the dog days, etc? The AL is fairly weak this season and I just thought this club was built to rise above all that...apparently we are the 2003 Angels.
NYY ahead of TEX - 6-1 in the bottom of the 7th
barry zito trade to the mets
by jaacee007 on May 6, 2006 8:14 PM PDT reply actions
I saw that on BBTN,
info on him
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Year Age* Lg Tm G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
2004 19 A Cap 65 261 88 22 1 13 58 66 23 6 17 53 .337 .399 .579 .978
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by jaacee007 on May 6, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply actions
The damper on this game
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply actions
Duke is suffering from deadness.
He's fine.
August 2007
Very clever, ladies and gentlemen:
Y'all are clearly from the school
No more puppies and sunshine again. Ever.
<dies>
by nycfan @ Athletics Nation on May 6, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, put it in perspective, Sharon:
things 'n' stuff
- Big Frank. I'm glad he's cheap... if he's not hitting at least .250 by the end of this month, I'm done with him. No, I'm not kidding in that "mock H8r" way to make him get started. I'm seriously done with him May 31 if he's still not doing anything useful. (And he shouldn't be the September bobblehead... that really pisses me off. Yes, he's a future HOF-er, but this is his first and maybe only year in Oakland. I want pointless collectible doodads that represent players that we might actually feel an attachment to, before they get sold off {{{coughElliscoughDJcoughScootercough}}}...)
- I'm worried about Duke (-scherer, that is, not -of Left Field...)
- This adorable little old lady sitting next to us with a scorebook dropped about three F-bombs while trying to figure out that weird DP in the 9th inning. I thought I was going to die laughing.
- Losing track of "things that are counted" (like balls and outs) is kind of a habit with DJ, isn't it? Wasn't he the one who started to run off the field last year after only two outs?
- IMPORTANT QUESTION: What were Swish and Huston doing being filmed with bobbleheads before the game??? Separately, they were each given a couple of bobbleheads and it looked like they were making them have a bobbleconversation while being filmed. WTF?
A bobbleconversation?
"No. It's Oakland."
I hope it's *something* we'll get to see...
They aired Swish
No audio?!
The bobbleconversation must have been obscene.
i want to thank you guys. i have had a horrible
ok i'm done with the mushy stuff.
by larrysgurl on May 6, 2006 9:07 PM PDT reply actions
<AN huddle, everyone:
So...Nice weather today, huh?...
Quote on DJ and I am lauging so hard!
Uhm,
Big Bad Frank
I say bat him 7th or 8th and give him until mid-June. If he's up to .230 or so, he stays. But .190 doesn't cut it, even with power and patience. Perhaps a full-time gig as Swish's mentor?
by tonyphillips on May 6, 2006 10:49 PM PDT reply actions
big hurt=dave parker
agree with you on his line up pos.
by rickmonday on May 7, 2006 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey Huff won't always be there...
Avg. AB R H HR RBI TB OBP SLG
J Kendall .253 79 8 20 0 7 24 .358 .304
A Melhuse .333 25 1 7 0 4 9 .333 .360
J Brown .323 65 9 21 3 10 32 .395 .492
Make of them what you will. I pass no judgements...
...but one more weak grounder with runners in scoring positon, and I might seriously hurt myself with that little wooden spoon thingy they give you with the frozen chocolate malts.
by Mission1929 on May 7, 2006 1:32 AM PDT reply actions
Brown
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