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DLD 05/19: Angels Angels of Anaheim self-destructing?

Today's LA Times has a great piece on the rubble that used to be the LA Angels of Monkeyland's team chemistry.

Seems Darin Erstad had to yell at the lot of them after today's astounding loss to the Blue Jays, when two players got into a yelling match about who was to blame for the loss. Read it and smile:

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Angels' Loss Raises Tempers
Erstad is heard in clubhouse yelling at teammates to not point fingers after team blows two chances to win during an 8-4, 10-inning loss to Toronto.

By Mike DiGiovanna, Times Staff Writer
May 19, 2006

The tensions of a highly disappointing season and the frustration of one of the most excruciating and ugly losses of the year boiled over in the Angels' clubhouse Thursday night.

As reporters questioned Manager Mike Scioscia after an 8-4, 10-inning loss to the Toronto Blue Jays, a game in which the Angels had the potential winning run at third base with one out in the eighth inning and no outs in the ninth and failed to score, a heated argument between two or more players could be heard from the shower area.

As the dispute spilled into the clubhouse, Tim Mead, Angels vice president of communications, shut the door to Scioscia's office, but moments later, the screaming voice of Darin Erstad, on the disabled list but still very much the team's leader, could be heard loud and clear.

"This is going to stop right ... now!" Erstad yelled. "There's going to be no finger-pointing, I don't care who you are! It's over! If we go down, we're all going down together! We're going to pull for everybody! No talking behind anyone's back! Let's pull for each other! Let's go!"

Scioscia took it all in, declining to enter the clubhouse, and searched for some perspective to a season in which the underachieving Angels have lost 14 of their last 19 games.

[...]

Second baseman Adam Kennedy seemed to bear much of that burden. He flied to shallow left with no outs and Chone Figgins at third in the ninth, and it appeared he was one of the players involved in the fracas when Erstad said, "A.K. knows he screwed up, and he feels like ... about it!"

For several minutes after the game, Kennedy stared into his locker, his head in his hands. "I don't think it was anything serious," Kennedy said of the dispute, which appeared to include Chone Figgins.

They're not alone in their rage. Over on Halo's Heaven, the RevHaloFan wrapped up his game report with "this group of guys is a bunch of losers." Yikes.

And apparently Anaheim's disease is contagious:

After loss, M's need to talk -- and they do

By JOHN HICKEY
P-I REPORTER

OAKLAND, Calif. -- The Mariners had one for the record books Thursday.

Not the game -- the 6-3 loss to the Athletics was fairly routine.

We're talking about the postgame meeting in the clubhouse, a talk-and-answer session that lasted a full 57 minutes.

Included in the meeting were the players, coaches and manager Mike Hargrove. The clubhouse assistants were shooed out, and the front office staff on the trip -- general manager Bill Bavasi, assistant GM Lee Pelekoudas and others, waited outside with the media.

There are issues on the table concerning Mariners baseball -- whether the season is out of control, whether expectations were too high, whether the offense will produce and whether new faces will need to show up wearing Mariner Blue -- and all those topics were touched upon in those 57 minutes.

Now compare that to Oakland's clubhouse:

A nonbeliever in the "sophomore slump," Swisher is being praised by Macha and had his work ethic compared to that of Seattle's Ichiro Suzuki,who was going through his pregame routine at 3:30 on Tuesday for that evening's game. Macha's point? That Swisher was getting in extra work at the same time Ichiro was beginning his regimen.

"It's nice when guys put that time in and they're getting results," Macha said. "Hopefully he'll continue this type of work ethic and continue to have success. Overall, he's outstanding; he's carried this ballclub."

[...]

"I don't know what it is," Swisher said. "The big thing for me is I'm having more fun than I've ever had. It kind of feels like I'm playing Little League baseball again; I don't have a care in the world.

"If you have a bad game, so what, tomorrow's coming. If you have a good game, so what, you've got to go out and do it again the next day."

[...]

"We (are) the most privileged guys in the world right here. You get to play a game for a living. I love this. I've wanted to do this since I was 6 years old, and now that I've gotten the opportunity, I'm going to take full advantage of it."

I heart the A's.

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it started in the dugout, during the game
Even before the game had ended there was a dispute in the dugout that manager Mike Scioscia declined to address. That dust-up appeared to involve Chone Figgins.

http://www.presstelegram.com/angels/ci_3840441

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 19, 2006 2:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Quinlan and Donnelly
There was also an awkward moment when Brendan Donnelly shoved Robb Quinlan after they ran into each other on a slow grounder to 1st that neither was able to field.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Donnelly/Quinlan play...
was very odd.
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

That "push-away" was not cute.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It looked angry.
They need a hugging lesson.
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not from Swish and Chavy, though.
Donnelly hates them.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

To properly give a hug...
...extend your dominant arm backward while embracing with your secondary arm...
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or..
Just put that thing out there and see what happens
"You know I don't like beautiful, well put together women, give me a nice nose break or a lazy eye." Johnny Drama

by rook on May 19, 2006 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?
Why?
"I need a new signature" - Philip Christy

by Philip Christy on May 19, 2006 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because he
"hates everything about Oakland". I think he was talking about the fans, but I'm not sure.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...
What a dick. We need to break that guy's nose or something.
"I need a new signature" - Philip Christy

by Philip Christy on May 19, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly,
his exact words were "I hate Oakland.  I hate everything about Oakland."
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 19, 2006 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he hates us because we're beautiful?
But don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...
His exact words were:
"As far as talent, we're a lot more talented than what they put on the field. There's no rhyme or reason to it. We have (10) games to figure it out. ... I don't like Oakland. I don't like anything about Oakland. I just don't like them."

(Scroll down)

WARNING:That article brings back painful memories.  :(

I loved Huddy's response:  

Said Hudson: "It makes no difference to me. I don't like anybody we play, to be honest with you."
 :)
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 19, 2006 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice quote
I miss Hudson.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hudson's wonderful.
He gave the best quotes. :-(
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heart the A's, too.
Yikes.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 4:56 AM PDT reply actions  

RevHaloFan...
This guy is just loaded with class, isn't he?  This is his blurb from yesterday:

The Two Players Most Responsible for Keeping the Angels in the Race so far:
Rich Harden
Francisco Cordero
(Harden went gimp agin, thankfully, and Cordero choked an inordinate number of saves early on)

Nice that he's 'thankful' for someone being injured - he even has a classy word for it, "gimp".  What a loser.

by coffee roaster on May 19, 2006 5:45 AM PDT reply actions  

It's called "humor"
And I admit, it's pretty funny. This revhalo bashing thing is getting old.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously? You think that's funny?
Let me guess - Sandler fan.
"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

its funny...
until you hit the off-color (commentary). harden and cordero being the only reasons the Angels arn't out of the race is funny and true.
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on May 19, 2006 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have put it quite that way
But the Rev has a point.  If the A's had better luck with injuries to date, and the Rangers' closer hadn't imploded (any they hadn't lost Eaton to injury), the Angels could pretty easily be 10 games out by now.  In any case, the reason(s) the Angels are still in the race certainly aren't on the Angels :-).
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall
postings here celebrating Bartolo Colon's injury as "finally another team gets the bug"

And those are perfectly fair posts.

by RevHalofan on May 19, 2006 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh please.
You're going to compare Bartolo's chicken wing-lifting strain to our injury mire?
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand the fighting.
The Angels played a terrible game yesterday.  I watched the condensed game a few hours ago and was just laughing at how many errors and miscues there were.

From balls going under gloves to popping out of them to the joke of a squeeze that Scioscia called for with 1 out to terrible fielding by Vlad to Lackey screwing up that bunt down the first base line to not scoring with a runner on 3rd and nobody out in the ninth inning of a tie ballgame, it was almost comical how bad they were.  Not that the Blue Jays were much better themselves, but there was really no reason that the Angels should have even been in contention at the end of the game, nor should the game have gone to extras.  

In conclusion, I'd be frustrated if I were them too!  Thank god I'm an A's fan.  GO WHITE SHOES!!

by rungood on May 19, 2006 5:47 AM PDT reply actions  

The Angels...
Have been winning for a long time and suddenly they aren't. Probably fairly traumatizing for them. I think they've won too much and have forgotten how to lose. It's sort of like the Red Sux when they won the world series - they'd lost so much they didn't know how to win.
Think about it, though. Every year since 2002, the Angels have been right up there at the top of the division. This year, it was predicted that it would be the same (first or second place). Now nothing's going right for them, and they turn into a bunch of angry men.

I'm not sorry for them. I think they're losers. :D Go A's!

by Squeaky on May 19, 2006 6:14 AM PDT reply actions  

No
Every year since 2002, the Angels have been right up there at the top of the division.

Not in 2003, when they actually finished the year 77-85 and finished 3rd in the division.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably a lot easier to take
With a shiny new ring on your finger.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am suddenly more grateful
for the A's reaction and our reaction last M-y... extreme depression and drinking seem slightly more productive than the Angels' reactions. Hatty's comments about the team being on suicide watch seem to indicate that at least they were all miserable and depressed together.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey hey hey
I'm enjoying this as much as anyone else, but before we get ahead of ourselves, we were worse last May than they are now ...

by Crosbino on May 19, 2006 6:20 AM PDT reply actions  

8 More Losses in a Row
And they'll be 17-32...

Sound Familiar?

June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies ** Lets Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2006 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right.
And none of our players were shoving each other on the field...
"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Angels' leadership
Does anyone else think it's a problem that the Angels' designated team leader is a crappy hitter who's on the DL?  No matter how much grit, guts, and heart Erstad might have, the fact is that the other players on the team must notice that he's had 4 awful seasons out of the last 5 and is off to a terrible start this year, too.  Eventually guys are going to start rolling their eyes when a guy with an OPS under .700 starts telling his teammates what to do.

When the Angels think about someone pulling them out of their collective slump, Erstad isn't the one they look to, it's Vlad.  Vlad is the one who can go 4-for-5 with 2 homers tonight and win the game practically single-handed, and can make his teammates relax.  If Eric Chavez can make the speech he made in Atlanta last year and put himself in a position where he needs to put up or shut up (as he did immediately afterwards in that Braves series), then Vlad needs to say something and do something.  A disabled Erstad yelling at his teammates for yelling at each other and blaming them for blaming each other isn't a solution, just more evidence of the problem.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 6:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Not really
Eventually guys are going to start rolling their eyes when a guy with an OPS under .700 starts telling his teammates what to do.

It's not about what he's doing now, but what he has done. You think players don't respect Joe Torre because he couldn't hit a big league fastball if he tried nowadays? No way. The players are still going to respect Erstad for what he's done throughout his career and because he's a stand-up guy.

But yeah, they could use some on-field leadership, in addition to that "salty dog" on the bench. Guerrero could be that guy if he were more vocal and wasn't always committing stupid fielding errors and baserunning blunders.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

i've always been under the impression that vlad
is a lead by example type of leader. not a vocal leader.
"I thought it was cute," Oakland's Nick Swisher said of Kotsay's blast with the petal-colored bat

by larrysgurl on May 19, 2006 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the plate, yes
Not in the field or on the bases.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Managers, players and production
Players respect Torre for a number of reasons, but primarily because he's their boss and if he gets pissed at them he can keep them from playing.  It doesn't hurt that he was an excellent player in his own time, too.

The players are still going to respect Erstad for what he's done throughout his career and because he's a stand-up guy.

Well, that's the problem.  What Erstad has done in his career, for the most part, is suck.  He had one great season back in 2000 (OPS+ of 137).  Since then his OPS+s have been 78, 88, 75, 95, and 89.  That would be bad for a gold-glove SS.  For a CF/1B, it's just ridiculous.

Maybe he'll rediscover what made him good back in 2000.  But for the last 5 seasons he's been a guy who plays hard and produces very little, and now he's on the DL.  He might be loud, he might be a red-ass, but it's damn hard to lead a competitive team when you're one of the worst players on it.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree
while players do pay attention to stats, i think individual moments matter more to them:
the erstad catch at the wall against the a's, rowand's catch crashing into the wall, jeter going into the seats against the red sox, kendall's play at the plate.

and i doubt most of them even know what ops+ means.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 19, 2006 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Production and moments
Moments do matter, I agree -- look at Scutaro's rep as a clutch hitter.  But when you have 5 years of crappy play, there aren't that many moments.  Vlad is the guy with the moments on that team.

and i doubt most of them even know what ops+ means.

Anyone who's gotten within sniffing distance of an arbitration or of free agency knows what it is.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like xbhaskharx said
The players don't give a damn about OPS+. What they see is a guy who's been able to remain in the Big Leagues for a long time, who's also quite good on D and doesn't go through mental lapses on the field. A team leader doesn't have to be a superstar hitter. He's not the hitting coach. He just has to play to the best of his ability (even if it isn't that great to begin with) and be a good "people" person. Would anybody advocate Manny Ramirez or Barry Bonds for team leader?

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know what you need to be a leader?
Honesty?  Determination?  Vision?  Generosity?  Strength?

No.  What you need to be a leader is simple:

Followers.

Anyone with followers is, by definition, a leader.  Anyone without, by definition, isn't.  You can amass followers by being nice, or funny or understanding.  You can also amass them by being manipulative, backhanded, dishonest, and selfish.  Team "disruptors" tend to actually be leaders -- the problem for the team is that they lead other players to do stupid or self-destructive things.  

The players don't give a damn about OPS+. What they see is a guy who's been able to remain in the Big Leagues for a long time, who's also quite good on D and doesn't go through mental lapses on the field. A team leader doesn't have to be a superstar hitter. He's not the hitting coach. He just has to play to the best of his ability (even if it isn't that great to begin with) and be a good "people" person.

Well, how many major-league players don't meet those criteria?  Most of the Angels have been in the big leagues for a few years, and know what they're doing.  And most of Erstad teammates are better players than he is.

He's got a reputation for playing hard, and he's got a big mouth, but do you honestly think Garrett Anderson or Chone Figgins has his world shaken up by an injured, mediocre (at best) loudmouth yelling at people to calm down?  I just don't think it'll make that big a difference on the team.  The guys who can make a difference are the difference-makers on the field -- Figgins, Rodriguez, Vlad, maybe Lackey.  When one of them goes off on the team, I think it'll have a much bigger effect.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Figgins WAS going off.
And nobody be listening.
"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um... what has he done?
As far as I read the stats, Erstad hasn't had more than one good season this millenium.
"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah.
I mean, it's good to have a leader that's producing, but I don't see why it has to be -- the ability to talk to guys, fire up a team, and pull them together seems easier when backed up by on-the-field performance... but it doesn't seem to be a requirement.

I mean, remember what Chavez was hitting last season when he did the bus speech?

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chavez
Chavez's speech is exactly what I'm talking about.  Chavez doesn't talk a lot, is about as far from being a red-ass as you can be, tends to shrug his shoulders verbally when he's in a slump -- people on AN have been criticizing him for not being a "leader" for years.

And yet, when he stood up and told the team (evidently without lots of screaming) to start taking things seriously and working hard to win, it seems like the team listened.  Not because he's known for "getting his uni dirty," but because he's the team's best player and when he talks -- and especially when he follows up by raising the level of his own play -- his teammates listen.

Erstad isn't a great player in a slump -- he's a lousy player with a big mouth.  I think that makes a difference to his teammates.  

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

NO WAY
Players BELIEVE in the clutch Hitter - way more than OPS-worship.

And every Angel player believes Erstad is the clutch god.

by RevHalofan on May 19, 2006 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Oliver, yes
but Erstad?  No.

I agree the players maintain many useful fictions (like believing in clutch hitters -- the A's players, and many fans, seem to believe that of Scutaro, for instance).  And I'm sure players are liable to over-value high BA, high RBI guys with less-than-stellar peripherals -- someone like Anderson used to be -- hit over .300 with 25 HRs, lots of RBIS but virtually never walk, hit into a lot of DPs.  

Before his back ailments diminished him, Anderson was a player with obvious, significant strengths -- BA, HRs, RBIs -- and some subtle weaknesses.  Erstad, however, has obvious weaknesses -- mediocre BA, no power, no plate discipline, no triple-digit RBI or RS totals.  Unless his teammates just close their eyes every time he grounds out 4-6, they've got to be noticing that he doesn't succeed all that much as a hitter.  

Still, I agree that this all boils down to belief.  If they believe he's good, then Erstad gets the respect due a good player.  I just have a hard time believing that they really, truly would rather have Erstad up in a key spot instead of Vlad or Figgins or, frankly, even Kennedy.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you would honestly want Erstad batting...
...with the game on the line... just wow.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

the mariners meeting
apparently it's a common thing:
---
This isn't the first of these meeting this year and the results of previous get-togethers have been poor over the long run.
That doesn't shake Hargrove's faith.
---

get-togetherS. this year. and it's only may.

how often do the a's have these things?
i only remember kotsay late in 04 and chavy last year.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 19, 2006 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Seems like one a yearish.
Can only think of one from last year. I think there were two in '04, one about the team problems and for some reason, I think there might have been one in the middle of the personality problems with the Redman/Rhodes/pitchers thing.

Do the kangaroo courts count?

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whydon't the Angels
do what we did last year?  Give the young guys as much as playing time as possible, write off this year, and gear up for 2007?  They could have a fine team by then.  I thought that was there plan anyway.  If it wasn't their plan from the beginning, then they were really pretty stupid not to see that they would have some serious offensive shortcomings and then fail to address them during the offseason.  
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 7:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Scioscia
He wants to "win now" and doesn't have much patience for struggling rookies.

by OaktownTribesman on May 19, 2006 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would imagine Stoneman and Moreno
feel the same way. Moreno, because he's put a lot of money into the team. Stoneman, because of the pressure to win when the owner is spending that much money.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I recall a column on the Angels
before the season began, in which he stated that his preference was to give the young guys a chance to play.  While not conceding the season, he did state that he was avoiding doing big deals for players like Manny, despite the tons of rumors that were circulating.  I thought it was an excellent approach for them--bad for us.  If that was their approach, then they really should stick with it and not change course.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

"he" being Stoneman.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he seems uncomfortable doing this...
...I mean, can anyone explain to me why they called Kendrick up, only to send him back down weeks later?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no clue
Maybe the column's take on Stoneman was wrong?
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think when Stoneman said that he was
going to stay with the young guys, he meant Mathis and Kotchman. Obviously Kotchman is ill. Mathis sucked while he was with the team. But that's where the pressure of winning comes in. Mathis (they're cather of the future) is sent down. What happens if Napoli begins to struggle? Every GM has to be creative once the season starts, because of the unexpected. I give credit to Stoneman, because he did try to stick with Kotchman. But I still believe that he's getting pressure to win now from Moreno, and the transactions he's made this season shows that.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis is a interum
solution, Napoli is the catcher of the future.  That is one reason they let Bengie go.  At least that was the spin in the off season.
while I'm GM, I'd get the black uniform tops back into the mix, make high socks mandatory and add a beer tap in the press box-Mychael Urban

by jb on May 19, 2006 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see. So they didn't think Napoli was ready?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It just makes me laugh
given how much time in the past few years the Angels and their fans spent crowing about Mathis and his glorious future as a catcher.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

To start his service clock.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Swisher v. Bonds
Haren, who will start the Friday opener of a three-game series against the visiting Giants, was hardly the only Athletics player being asked about Bonds. It was the topic du jour, and Nick Swisher eventually decided to have some fun with it.

Immediately after saying he didn't think Bonds passing Ruth on the all-time home run list should be such a big deal because "it's only for second place," Swisher made an admission.

"If I'm in the outfield and he hits number 714 or 715, and it hits something and comes back on the field to me, that bad boy's going in my back pocket," he said.

Seriously?

"Absolutely," he said. "And when the inning's over, I'll go find a kid with an A's cap in the stands and give it to him. You know, put someone through college."
------------------------------------------------------------

YES!

June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies ** Lets Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2006 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Is it as strong as the Kotsay man-crush?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...maybe
Though my Kotsay man-crush is pretty strong.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2006 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still haven't gotten over my Huddy man-crush yet
Sometimes, at night, when I'm all alone....

it hurts.

New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

rub some dirt on it
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wear It
June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies ** Lets Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2006 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It rubs the lotion on its skin...
...or else it gets the hose again.
"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Swish is awesome.
I ♥ him.  
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 19, 2006 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

You betcha!
See ya there :)
"I turned around and saw there were a couple of Oakland fans...I think they might have held the other fans off."Jay Pay

by 510inDenver on May 19, 2006 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now THAT'S awesome...
Dorian on Bonds: "Still, I love it when Bonds wins at the game that he plays."

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on May 19, 2006 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.
For all the talk of the lack of fiery leadership in our clubhouse, stories like this make me glad that we have the most even-keeled leaders you can imagine.  Sure, Kendall, Kotsay, and Crosby seem very intense, but I've been under the impression that Macha, Chavez, and Zito are the ones who the team looks to.

It has nothing to do with how good they play/manage, but everything to do with how calm they are.  I think this is one of Macha's greatest stregths.  Have you ever worked in a group of people where the "leader" is freaking out all the time?

By the way, I refuse to write the Angels off - we were in worse straits last year and came on strong in June.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not writing them off, either.
And I agree about Macha.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not only is it his greatest strength,
I believe it is the most important job that any manager does - greater than in-game tactician.  We're very fortunate to have followed a team that has an environment conducive to allowing the players to succeed.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

What struck me as odd...
..was that, while his players were yelling at each other and arguing, Scioscia satyed in his office and just watched.

I mean, not for nothing, but whose your leader if not the boss?

"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably a smart move
I think he probably knew that Erstad would take the lead there. Sometimes leadership consists of letting your lieutenants take charge.
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT: bad taste joke.
You know what struck me as I was wandering the poverty-stricken streets of Palestine?  A piece of shrapnel.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

<strikes sal>
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rub some monkey on it.
New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bear it.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

binturong it
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ginter thong it
New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

An Angels comeback terrifies me.
Given that if they DO get it together, it could be scary... I don't want any other team to feel the kind of crazed comeback energy us and the Astros had workin' last season.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree
that it would be silly to write them off (not that I think anyone here at AN is doing that).  They have a lot of talented players and, just like the A's did last year, they'll almost certainly start playing up to their abilities in time to get into the thick of the race.

For all the talk of the lack of fiery leadership in our clubhouse, stories like this make me glad that we have the most even-keeled leaders you can imagine.  Sure, Kendall, Kotsay, and Crosby seem very intense, but I've been under the impression that Macha, Chavez, and Zito are the ones who the team looks to.

Thank you -- you're making my arguments better than I am!  Macha is a leader because he's everyone's boss.  He also seems to relate pretty well at a personal level to the players, which doesn't hurt, but Dick Williams led the A's to a WS victory and no one ever liked him.  Chavez and Zito don't have stereotypical "leader" personalities, but they are (a) one of the best players at his position in the majors, and (b) a guy who's won a Cy Young and has a great career W-L record, plus he has more starts than practically the rest of the current staff (not counting Loaiza) combined.  

Teammates pay attention to them -- follow them, that is -- because of how important they are on the field.  Not because of their personalities.  And I think both of these guys started with the team seeing themselves not as leaders -- that was Tejada and Hudson's role, and when those 2 left they figured there'd be other leaders because someone else would have a more aggressive personality or be more comfortable giving speeches.  But they both eventually realized that they were leaders simply because they're the #1 position player and #1 or #1A pitcher.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Skill is part of it
but I think tenure plays into it a great deal -- which is why I see the other side of the coing, why Erstad is considered a team leader.

Nobody has consecutive tenure on the A's like Chavez and Zito, and Erstad is the same. I think it helps the A's a great deal that Zito and Chavez have tenure and are the best players on the team.  It also helps that both are liable to point fingers at themselves, lead by example, and talk rather than  shout.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hm
The Pirates are not a well-run team, either.
Upon emerging, Duffy told reporters he was unhappy that Tracy tried to convert him into a prototypical leadoff hitter by stressing that he hit the other way, pound the ball into the ground and take more walks. Throughout his time in the minors, Duffy was an aggressive, line-drive hitter, and he used that approach to bat .341 for the Pirates in a half-season as a rookie last year
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Jon Carroll does sabermetrics
I've long suspected that Chron columnist Jon Carroll had more than a passing acquaintance with A's baseball, and perhaps even with AN.  His piece today provides an intro to sabermetric thought, and links to some deeper pieces (which I've not yet read) which purport to claim that steroids are not the cause of the modern surge in power numbers.  This column won't tell stat savvy ANers anything they don't already know, but ya gotta love the continuing creep of enlightenment to the masses.  (Full disclosure:  JC has on occasion published some of my stuff.)
Defeat d'Anaheim!

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 19, 2006 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

wow
very well written, and he used tinyurl.com to boot. No wonder Mrs. Apricot looooooves Jon Carroll.

The "technical" article he links to is not very technical, nor does it have much in it. It says due to expansion, there is a greater range of talent as measured by OPS and ERA. Thus it's possible that more weaker pitchers were facing more studly hitters. That's it.

I am not saying his idea is wrong (and it has long been theorized) (also one may dispute the use of ERA to track pitcher quality). But it seems like one could test this theory in many ways. For one thing, to check the homer surges after previous expansions of the teams. The 61 expansion was followed by a jump in variation of talent, but the 69 expansion was followed by a huge decrease in variation.  This makes me doubt the thesis, especially compared to the simpler thesis that steroids made enough hitters strong enough to turn long fly outs into homers.

by Apricot on May 19, 2006 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Someone should let Mets fans know:
Alternative (Minimum Tax): A Rod is at 3rd and Giambi at first, there's no room for Eric Duncan, why don't Yanks package him along with Huges for say Zito?

Jonah Keri: Because the Yankees can't just snap their fingers and acquire whoever they want. The AL West may be the worst division in baseball this year, and the A's are already in first place despite having a ton of pitchers out, Bradley injured, and Thomas, Johnson, Crosby and Ellis off to slow starts. If anything the A's are likely to add major league talent this year, not trade it away for prospects.

link

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

oh snap
Because the Yankees can't just snap their fingers and acquire whoever they want.

Should become a big disclaimer in a flashing yellow box on any site where New York fans post.

by Apricot on May 19, 2006 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, they (and the
Red Sox and the Mets) have seemingly been able to acquire major talents via trade for mere pittances.  I suspect this has more to do with buyer's remorse on the part of small market teams, but look at some of the weirder trades that have gone down: A-Rod, Schilling, Unit, Delgado - no wonder East Coast fans think they can acquire whomever they want whenever they want.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

you damned hairy east coaster
It's true that the East Coasters can afford talent with bloated contracts (or contract needs) better.

Solution: allow a third New York expansion team. Brooklyn Cyclones in the house!

by Apricot on May 19, 2006 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer
the Northern New Jersey Trashmen.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

new jersey toxic waste
nj would be a superfun(d) site for an expansion team
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 19, 2006 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Toxic Avengers
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.
Pollution is cool!
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

we call it "life"!
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can't?
I thought the 25 man rosters of every major league team were subject to being utilized by the Yankees as they see fit.  Wasn't that part of the last CBA?  Something called the "whatever Georgie wants, Georgie gets" clause?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Replacing Matsui
The day after Matsui broke his wrist, the #1 sports talk team in NYC (Mike Francesca and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo) were discussing the Yankees acquiring Bobby Abreu.  Francesca was insisting over and over that the Yankees just had to "make it happen" as if George Steinbrenner can don his little pixie hat and fairie wings and wish a great big wish for an All-Star RF in exhange for some A-ball non-prospects.  Russo (who's actually a Giants fan) was telling Francesca that normal teams need to deal with injuries, so the Yankees should too -- I didn't hear him point out that there was no way the Yankees could get the Phillies to make this trade without giving up Jeter or ARod.

It's like they think the Yankees should just be able to comandeer a RF like they're cops pursuing a suspect in a high-speed chase when their squad car's tire blows out.

The team is old, expensive, and injury-prone.  Wear it.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to see
Steinbrenner in a little pixie hat and fairie wings.  In fact, I'm putting it on my Christmas list.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

SIMILE OF THE YEAR!
"Ma'am, please vacate your right fielder!"
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's awesome.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 19, 2006 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

My fav quote....
Up stepped rookie catcher Mike Napoli, who singled in his first two at-bats and tied the score with his leadoff homer in the seventh, a solo shot to center off Toronto ace Roy Halladay. The speedy Erick Aybar ran for Rivera at third, and the Blue Jays brought their infield in.

On a 1-and-1 pitch from reliever Justin Speier, Scioscia called for the suicide squeeze, but Napoli, who had all of three sacrifice bunts in six minor league seasons, popped up his bunt to Speier, who completed the easy double play to kill the rally.

Small ball at its finest, that.

Giants fans are fighting back. I'm now hearing "Let's Go Shopping!"- jeepers

by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Aptly named, that "suicide squeeze."
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Small ball"
If the Angels really think "small ball" wins championships, shouldn't they, y'know, teach their players to play that way in the minors?  The A's seem to have done an excellent job of consistently teaching the same approach from rookie ball up to the majors (in fact, IIRC this was one of Lewis's big points in Moneyball).  If Scoscia wants his whole team to know how to suicide squeeze, shouldn't their prospects be practicing how to do more than once every other season in the minors?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

"I'm so young and you're so old"
Danny Almonte, he of the famous Little League World Series scandal, is all grown up (19) and married.  His wife is especially grown up and married:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2006/news/story?id=2450606

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

My fav quote....
"She's special"

She sure is.

Giants fans are fighting back. I'm now hearing "Let's Go Shopping!"- jeepers

by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ew.
Perdomo told the Daily News that she's known Almonte since his Little League days [when she was 26].

"He used to always tell me things and I was like, 'You're a minor ... we'd get in trouble,'" Perdomo told the Daily News. "I really waited for the right person to come along, so I wasn't going to just fool around, especially not with someone younger than me."

She told the newspaper the two got closer last year and moved in together in June. "We share a lot ... It's a family here. We have the same friends. We just have a lot in common."

Ew. Ew. Ew.

"That quote sucked." - McFood

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

So she was 25....
When he was playing in Little League??????  <gags>

Good Lord woman, get some self respect.

Imagine her conversations with her girlfriends:

HER: "My baby is a baseball player.... going to the World Series"

FREIND: "Arizona or New York?"

HER: "Oh he's from the Bronx, ya know?" <winks>

FRIEND: "Gotta love them pinstripes" <winks>

One Week Later:

HER: "My Baby won the World Series!"
FRIEND: "Funny, I thought Arizona did......"

"I turned around and saw there were a couple of Oakland fans...I think they might have held the other fans off."Jay Pay

by 510inDenver on May 19, 2006 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lookout Landing is hallarious, even in defeat

The Mariners were profoundly inefficient, stranding eight more runners despite four hits by Ichiro Suzuki. Their fifth loss in seven games prompted manager Mike Hargrove to keep the clubhouse closed for 57 minutes after the final out.
Hargrove: "Most of you probably don't know why we're having this meeting."
Hassey: :whispers:
Hargrove: (to Hassey) "Really?"
Hassey: "Pretty sure, yeah."
Hargrove: You think?"
Hassey: "Just letting you know what I've heard."
Hargrove: (to everyone) "Okay, it's been brought to my attention that the exact opposite is true."
Chaves: :sighs:
Hargrove: "This team is really struggling right now, and we need to get back on track as quickly as possible if we don't want to stay in the cellar all year."
Bloomquist: "Let us have it, skip!"
Hargrove: "Over these 42 games I've been able to get some understanding of what is and isn't working, and I think I finally see where the problem is."
Putz: "What's the old adage? 'It all starts at the top'?"
Hargrove: "Richie, A-Train, you guys are terrible."
(stunned silence)
Hargrove: "I mean, Jesus H Christ, guys, have you seen yourselves lately? Frankly, I'm a little embarrassed to be wearing the same uniform."
Bloomquist: "You don't just wear it, you fill that thing out!"
Hargrove: "The rest of you, seriously, you've been great. Couldn't have asked for more. Richie and Adrian though...well, we're in last place thanks to them, and that's all I'll say about that."
Sexson: :eyes a bat in the corner, begins to stand up:
Hargrove: "What's the matter, big guy? Gonna slug .391 all year and strike out 550 times? That going to help us win ballgames?"
Rohn: "Those are your career numbers, Mike."
Hargrove: "What?"
Rohn: "Those numbers. They're yours, not his."
Sexson: :slowly sits back down, glaring:
Hargrove: "Who the hell are you?"
Reed: "The guy who'll have your job in a week."
Hargrove: "I hope you like the bench."
Reed: "I hope you like welfare."
Rohn: "Richie's hitting .209. Why not switch around the lineup a little? This one clearly isn't working."
Hargrove: "You ever seen a guy as big as Richie hitting anywhere else but cleanup? Didn't think so. Go back to whatever you were doing, whoever you are."
Rohn: "What does it tell you when your two worst hitters have taken up 21% of the team's at bats?"
Hargrove: "It tells me that you're an assface."
Chaves: :sighs again, louder:
Hargrove: "You have something to say, rookie?"
Pineiro: "Do you even remember why you called this meeting?"
Hargrove: "How about you shut your God damn trap and let me talk, frost job."
Reed: "Why don't you just tell Jose to sacrifice more and call it a day? A guy slugging .500 and leading the team in bunts, that's just phenomenal strategizing."
Hargrove: "Remind me, which one of us has coached in the World Series?"
Everett: "Which one of us has won one?"
Betancourt: "¿Qué se está encendiendo?"
Hernandez: "Él dijo que usted huele malo."
Betancourt: "Eso no es verdad, yo huele como un prado."
Hassey: "I think the bus driver's getting impatient. We need to get to the airport."
Hargrove: "Good meeting, guys. Let's get 'em tomorrow."
Sexson: "You better start sleeping with one eye open."
Hargrove: "You better start hitting with two eyes open."
Sexson: "You stupid old pig fu-"
Hassey: "GUYS. BUS. NOW."
Bloomquist: "Who wants to be my seat buddy??"
Ibanez: "Richie does."

Meanwhile...


Hargrove:  BUNT.  YOUR ROLE IS TO BUNT.  YOU ARE NOT BUNTING.
Lopez:  THAT'S BECAUSE I'M HITTING HOME RUNS AND DOUBLES AND DRIVING PEOPLE IN, ESE.
Hargrove:  DON'T YOU TALK ALL GANGSTER TO ME, ROOKIE!
Lopez:  I'M NO ROOKIE!
Willie:  ME NEITHER!
Entire team:  SHUT UP, WILLIE!
Ichiro:  I HURT THIS TEAM BY NOT DRAWING WALKS... ALL THE TIME!
Lopez:  I DEMAND RESPECT.
Beltre:  I DEMAND RESPECT TOO.
Entire team:  HAHAHAHAHA!
Beltre:  WHAT?!
Richie:  You don't deserve respect.
Reed:  Neither do you, Black Hole.
Team:  OOOOOOH.
Richie:  Look who's talking, Limp Wrist.
Team:  OHHHHHH!
Reed:  What the hell did you call me?
Everett:  Respect your elders, rookie!
Reed:  Go fuck a gay dinosaur, Bigot!
Everett:  GRAAHHHHH!  :attack:
Reed:  AHHHHHHH! :attack:
Richie:  AHHHHHH!!! :attack:
Lopez:  AHHHHHHH!  :attack:
Beltre:  AHHHHHHH!! :attack:
Hargrove:  AHHHHHHH!!! :runs to catering table and eats all the turkey:  EDDIE, DID YOU EAT THE DONUTS AGAIN?
Eddie:  :mouth full: ARUMPH?

And on the other side of the room

Meche:Bwaha, look at all the hitters.What a bunch of pansies.They are the reason we suck.
Joel:Yeah, that and your craptastic pitching.
Meche:Oh and you sure shut them down today right?
Felix:Hey man, leave Joel alone.He's a junkballer now.
Gil:Go eat some donuts with Eddie.You may not pitch like a King, but your sure eating like one.
Soriano:Well and least me and JJ know how to pitch.
JJ:Dude, splitters kick ass! I kick ass!
Soriano and Putz high five
Green:So Emilano, you packed yet?
Fruto:What do you mean packed?
Green:Dude, don't you know.Mateo is coming off the DL.Your as good as gone.
Fruto:No way man.I just got here!
Woods:Hey just be thankful you got to plan man.Did you see what they did to Bobby?
Putz:Yeah, that was brutal.Man if we were smart, we'd get the hell off of this sinking ship of a team.
Meche:Guys, where's Jamie?
Felix:Dude, it's 4:30.He's over at Denny's eating dinner so he can be in bed by 6.And Putz is right you guys.The instant I become a free Agent, I'm gone.I hear the Yankees need some good young pitching.

English 101: Remedial Kick-Ass
"Cause only one language kicks ass, and that's the one we're teaching!"

by Zonis on May 19, 2006 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice stuff
My favorite part:

Hargrove:  "I hope you like the bench."
Reed:  "I hope you like welfare."

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love LL
They have a sense of humor about losing, and Jeff is a fantastic (and very bright) blogmaster.  He does SBNation proud.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said before
If we didn't laugh, I think us Mariner fans would go insane.
M's fan. Our young Ace, is better than your young Ace.

by Goose on May 19, 2006 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's some quick, clever writing
It's not often something will make me laugh audibly, but the assface line, "frost job", JJ's first line (and his subsequent high-five with Soriano), and Reed's response to Everett were great. Really good timing throughout. Anyone care to translate the Spanish?
"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spanish translation.
It's been a few years... this could be rough. Also might be a literal translation.

Betancourt: "¿Qué se está encendiendo?"
Hernandez: "Él dijo que usted huele malo."
Betancourt: "Eso no es verdad, yo huele como un prado."

Betancourt: "What is the excitement?"  
Hernandez: "He said that you smell bad."
Betancourt: "That is not true, I smell like a meadow."

"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah! Awesome, thanks!
"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha! New sig line!
<Insert angry hockey players with no teeth>-AsGirl

by ohad on May 19, 2006 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

LL is amazing
Jeff does such a good job. The game threads are really funny, too.

by Squeaky on May 19, 2006 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sense of humor
That's why Mariners fans are so much cooler than Angels fans -- because they still have a sense of humor even when their team sucks.

And I gotta say, even though I love my fellow A's fans, that's why M's fans are often cooler than us, too.

by iglew on May 19, 2006 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bronson Arroyo, genius public speaker
Apparently, crushing the Pirates once wasn't enough.  It was also necessary to throw his own teammates under the bus:
"I'm not disrespecting anybody. I'm just stating the facts," he said. "We don't have a lights-out rotation here. We don't have a lights-out bullpen. That's just a fact. We don't have a busload of guys that are Randy Johnsons. We don't have anybody in our rotation that's a Randy Johnson. That's just the way it is.

"If the Yankees were playing us and they said they were embarrassed to be beat by Dave Williams, Bronson Arroyo and Brandon Claussen, hey, I'm not going to take offense to it. I know these are three guys the Yankees shouldn't be beaten by. I don't think I should be beaten by a lineup that sends seven righties at me and doesn't have a lot of juice in its lineup or whatever you want to call it."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_454578.html

Stick to pitching, Cornrroyo.

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Arroyo
Sounds like he threw himself under that Greyhound, as well.
June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies ** Lets Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2006 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mind-blowingly coolicious.
New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.
My Pirate Legos never did that.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you have a pre-Kendall set?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.
But my Outer Space Legos came with a collectible Bill Lee.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember Catfish Hunter's
perfect game:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5619046
The inscription on Hunter's Hall of Fame plaque appropriately reads: "The bigger the game, the better he pitched" and for the most part, that was true. The exception was his masterpiece against a talented bunch of Twins hitters. It was a nondescript early-season game attended by only 6,298 during the A's first year in Oakland after their controversial move from Kansas City. There was nothing "big" about it, but never did Hunter pitch any better.

He threw 107 pitches and went to a three-ball count on only six hitters. He piled up 11 strikeouts, including three of slugger Harmon Killebrew, and he zipped through a Minnesota batting order that also included Rod Carew, Cesar Tovar and Tony Oliva.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

... and Dawn?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

{ties a yellow ribbon 'round monkeyball}
{contracts candida}
"If we wanted you to be happy, we'd authorize you to be happy and we'd issue happiness to you." ~~ my boss

by Poppy on May 19, 2006 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

<candida loses velocity, goes on DL>
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Canada lost Velocity?
Well, we still have Calgary.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

BWAHAHA!!!!!
Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better.
Giants fans are fighting back. I'm now hearing "Let's Go Shopping!"- jeepers

by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm never knew..
"Huston Street is an anagram for Utter Hotness." it was his destiny.

by AmazingAs on May 19, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anagrams
I've seen a lot of lame anagrams, and some really good ones, too -- and I have to say, that's a really awesome anagram.

by iglew on May 19, 2006 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
Highest number of votes pretty evenly split between "who gives a sh*t" and "all five"...  {snerk}
"If we wanted you to be happy, we'd authorize you to be happy and we'd issue happiness to you." ~~ my boss

by Poppy on May 19, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yankees place Bubba Crosby on DL...
...and purchase the contract of outfielder Mitch Jones from Triple-A Columbus.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

What? NO!!!
They have the immortal T-LONG for this very contingency!  Fee T-Long NOW!
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

EDIT
Fee = free.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever. They should trade T-Long
for Bobby Abreu.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Babe Ruth.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

ARCHIE MCPHEE T-LONG NOW!
Yes, he's now a joke and a novelty.
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saweeeet ! I just ordered my
T-Long shower curtain, bath mat, eraser, apron, air freshener, and band-aids!
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on May 19, 2006 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uuuunce, tiiiiice...
...fee tines a D-Log..
"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

are sporks subject to fee tines?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

only in a sentence like:
"The spork incurred heavy fee tines for improper binturong frugivery."

Here, the fee tines become the subject: "Fee tines were levied on the offending spork."

"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I nub noo.
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Damon is playing hurt, I believe.
Ouch.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad the A's haven't had
injury problems.
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

if Angels pitchers bean Scutaro ...
... will they be elf-destructing?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Only if he were a Greek oracle...
...then they'd be Delphi-destructing.
"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

when Casey Kotchman claimed ...
... to have caught mono at a school, was he el-hi destructing?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Angels hate Canadian universities.
I hear once the season is over, they're going to head up north and do some Guelph-destructing.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

they also hate Donny Most
... so they're planning on doing some Ralph Malph-destructing.
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention their disdain...
...for commonly held assumptions about baseball, leading them to discover their true team identity in the "virtual stats" created through others' search for meaning in regular numbers, a method of self-deconstructing.
"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha
my wife's parents live in Guelph.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Athletics fan and runner on May 20, 2006 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

That big meanie
Larry Vanover is squeezing Maddux to throw his frisbees over the plate, painful to watch.
"The lineup! My God...the lineup!" ~ baseballgirl

by eamb on May 19, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Darrin Ersatz
Erstad said, "A.K. knows he screwed up, and he feels like ... about it!"

Q: What are the ellipses replacing?

a) "talking"
b) $#^!
c) "crying"
d) "writing a song"
e) &@*%

"I was always high on X. Obviously, that hasn't changed." -- Jake Peavy

by spal on May 19, 2006 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Doing the Macarena?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

feels like...
g) a natural woman?
h) makin' love?
i) chicken tonight?
Ooh Ahh, Sabres on the warpath

by andeux on May 19, 2006 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

j) a frugiverous binturong?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to introduce politics to AN
but the political status quo is determined to destroy my right to chicken done right.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like wings
I prefer breasts.
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Caution: Really creepy rating system ahead:

Rating the  "rivalries"

"The lineup! My God...the lineup!" ~ baseballgirl

by eamb on May 19, 2006 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope to as much anti-Denise Richards venom ...
... as anti-Bonds venom for artificial performance enhancements ...
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah..
Cause secretly you hope her and Neve hook back up for another movie. Big diffence in what she can provide for you v. Lamar.
"I love you Johnny Cakes." Vito

by rook on May 19, 2006 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's one GREAT movie
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did it win an Oscar?
That was quite a performance.
"If you're surprised by getting the job done, that means you didn't expect it out of yourself." -Huston Street

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 19, 2006 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to a strip club...
...with Denise Richards and Elizabeth Berkley once.

True story. When we were leaving, these two 16 year olds were climbing out of a cab out front and they looked at Denise and Elizabeth, looked at each other, and both yelled in unison, "THIS PLACE IS AWESOME!"

I think they might have ended up a little disappointed once inside.

"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey! We tied with the East Coast!
Of course, all credit to Bonds, but we actually are as interesting as NYY/NYM for once!

<happy dance>

It doesn't take much today!

Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 19, 2006 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's raining
:(
"If we wanted you to be happy, we'd authorize you to be happy and we'd issue happiness to you." ~~ my boss

by Poppy on May 19, 2006 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

but is it credible rain?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just out in it, and my clothes are now wet.
After extensive analysis of my garments, I have concluded that the moisture was introduced to their fabric from the outside.  This rules out the possibility of perspiration, incontinence or spontaneous lactation.  Therefore, I would say it's credible rain.  Maybe a little gritty, too, or that could just be bits of coating from yesterday's chicken strips.
"If we wanted you to be happy, we'd authorize you to be happy and we'd issue happiness to you." ~~ my boss

by Poppy on May 19, 2006 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you turn on the radio ...
... and listen for 3 or 4 minutes, and there's no commercials, is it AM or FM?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you go to bed, and wake up in the morning ...
... and there's snow on the ground, can you say for certain that it snowed overnight?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry.
"There are times when all the world's asleep
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man..."

BTW, did I get the job?

Strawberry

by Ice Cream on May 19, 2006 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you
participate in this study?
Ooh Ahh, Sabres on the warpath

by andeux on May 19, 2006 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

have none of you people ...
... seen All the President's Men?

Sheesh.

"Monkeys draw novel conclusions" -- why, just last week, I illustrated Patrick Bateman walking the streets of New York a free man.

the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen 'Deep Throat', does that count?
Ok, no I haven't.
New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW
As most already know, the A's will be broadcasting on KICU, the Gigantes on FSNBA, and if you get UHF, I will personally be bringing you the game on UEAMB, channel 2608.
"The lineup! My God...the lineup!" ~ baseballgirl

by eamb on May 19, 2006 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

UEAMB?
Who's your color commentator?
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhhhhh
<backs up slowly>  LOOK!  A monkey --->

<runs>

"The lineup! My God...the lineup!" ~ baseballgirl

by eamb on May 19, 2006 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Swisher just on KNBR
Tom Tolbert:  So Nick, what do you do on an off day?

NS:  Well, I probably sleep until noon.  Get up, have lunch at Mr. Pickles.  Go home, hit the pool and lay on my floatie thing.  Drink two YooHoos.  Then have a BBQ, cook a couple of steaks, and then hit the hay.  

Can someone please tell me what the heck a "Mr. Pickles" is?  First Crosby says he eats there on the pregame show, now Swish is dropping it.  Huh?

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on May 19, 2006 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

http://www.mrpicklesinc.com/
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 19, 2006 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Drink two YooHoos."
That's very specific. :)

I liked "...lay on my floatie thing."  

"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

stick that floatin' thing out there?
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
I just changed my sig line... But if i hadn't this would be it.
Reed (to Carl Everett): Go f*ck a gay dinosaur, Bigot!-Lookout Landing

by ohad on May 19, 2006 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

<charges pool>
"I smell like a meadow." - Yuniesky Betancourt

by Ozzz on May 19, 2006 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's probably been said already
but it is waaaaaay too early to count Anaheim out.

by sf drift king on May 19, 2006 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Talk about late to the party...
<awkward silence>

Well, since you're here, can you help clean up?

New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carl Pavano has surgery
Possibly out for the year
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry, this thread is closed for the night.
<flips over OPEN/CLOSED sign>

Try back tomorrow. We open around 5:42am.

New advertising campaign...A's Brand Baseball: Blink, and You'll Miss It. - Kyli

by McFood on May 19, 2006 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

<turns over chairs>
the bears were hungry and the monkey looked a lot like lunch @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2006 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

<overturns table>
It's open 'til I say it's closed, bitches.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

"...it's my life, my dreams...
...nothing's gonna stop me now..."

Nope, that's Perfect Strangers.  Thanks for playing, though.

Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Standing TALL!
On the wings of my dreams!

Rising FORTH! On the wings of my dreams...

"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on May 20, 2006 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

sometimes you want to go...
where everybody knows you're clean
and the posters aren't mean

by Apricot on May 19, 2006 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's
chairs up and time to go?
Ooh Ahh, Sabres on the warpath

by andeux on May 19, 2006 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

My prediction for tonight:
People are going to freak out when they see the lineup.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

HIRE SCIOSCIA NOW!
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIRE CREDE NOW
In other news-of-the-weird, Reyes walked for the second time tonight.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

In his career?
n/t
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2006 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

<chokes>
Is it time to stop making fun of Reyes? Should we move on to Francoeur?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt
Looks like a good night to avoid the game thread.
Ooh Ahh, Sabres on the warpath

by andeux on May 19, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

h8er!
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 19, 2006 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this lineup.
Frank Thomas batting leadoff and Swisher batting ninth makes perfect sense.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best part is Kendall batting second.
Macha is a genius.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 19, 2006 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although I will call into question
his use of Randy Velarde in the cleanup spot.
Can intangibles exist? Only the ones you can touch.

by salb918 on May 19, 2006 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Halos collapse continues...
Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 20, 2006 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

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