to all the carpetbaggers
I am so tired of all the leave Oakland coming from all sides; all the time.
Lew Wolff a (St. Loius Cardinal fan) is trying to move my OAKLAND ATHLETICS out of Oakland.
Blez wants them in Sac-town.
Upper middle-class folks who buy the myth about Oakland being "dangerous", support Wolf.
And I pick up my morning paper and that "whore" Johnny Damon is openly talking about Barry Zito being ready for New York (Yankees or Mets).
I also read Swisher running his mouth about the third deck at the coliseum. How the hell would he know how good third deck seats are/were?
The problem with the A's is a lack of Oaklanders involved in the process.
I love my A's, but it's like having a "hot" girlfriend and she's listening to all offers.
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if you're an oaklander
by xbhaskarx on Apr 4, 2006 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 4, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spoke with his staff after Dellums said it..
The position remains the same. They feel they have made more than a good faith effort to deal with Wolff, and that he is not interested, and there is nothing more to be done.
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 4, 2006 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then
by xbhaskarx on Apr 4, 2006 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What You Are Saying Is
I think, and you can find many of them on AN, that is Oaklanders who care very, very deeply about this team. I spent a great part of my life growing up in near downtown Oakland and the A's/Raiders/Warriors were a big part of that. The sad part today relates to the political set-up which has virtually left the A's in a quagmire that may never be solved. Hence, the status quo, at this point appears to be the best any one can expect.
by Gerard on Apr 4, 2006 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolffish price tag too high for Oakland pols
Oakland pols have been less clear, but fairly consistent: that's too much to pay, when we could sell these rights to someone else at market rates just as easily, and use the money for X Y or Z pressing need.
I want Wolff to bring his price tag down, because maybe an Oakland deal gets done at $100-200 mill instead. But he won't lower the bar, because he believes someone else will pay it. To fault Oakland pols for not offering more than they can afford seems askew.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 4, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I want a no nonsense park, not a convenient TGI Fridays or an expensive sneaker store that connects to the park.
by popcornjames on Apr 4, 2006 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what you're missing..
And having just seen the Col for the first time this past weekend, if ever there was an area that could use this sort of development, Oakland is it.
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why oh why
by southofcruiseamerica on Apr 4, 2006 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go with this
- Coliseum North (66th-to-High) - That would be two-thirds of the area instead of the whole thing. Why would negotiating with 40 owners be any easier than negotiating with 80? And would having a bunch of dreary industrial stuff right next to residential be attractive?
- Oakland Army Base - Oakland doesn't really control the land as much as they can direct development. Should it have been available, they'd be in Oakland, but they'd be away from BART and close to a high-traffic area. Plus the time required to acquire and clean up the land could stretch the development time two years minimum.
- Oak Knoll - Residents will come down with torches and pitchforks. No way it would happen.
- Uptown - Even if the Forest City deal weren't sealed, more nearby land would be required to make the village concept work. Probably 7-8 city blocks.
I agree that the deck was stacked against Oakland. But I also think that a solution wasn't readily available even if Wolff had scaled down his vision.
by vertig0 on Apr 4, 2006 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the meaty reply
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 4, 2006 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My frustration with Oakland
If it is not costly to move the A's out of Oakland, then Wolff will move the A's out of Oakland.
They should have unilaterally created their own solution just like Wolff did, and they should be doing everything in their power to create drama to help convert every A's fan to the Giants if the A's leave Oakland.
They aren't doing that, they're just letting it happen.
by secret ASian man on Apr 4, 2006 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect location for a stadium
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were they really?
HJK isn't big enough, and preservationists would have been up in arms.
by vertig0 on Apr 5, 2006 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the preservations would be angry
The main thing is, the preservationists are already furious about the whole project (because they hate Oakland or something - I just don't get it), so I'm not too concerned about them. Signature is going to get their 3100-units either way, and they're willing to deal about splitting up the land to accomodate a stadium.
Developing the land might block views to the waterfront, but having something there will actually open up access and encourage use, which is by far preferable to me as a resident. Why just look at the land when you could be enjoying it?
The deal seems dead due to lack of interest from Wolff, but if he would get on board, I think the city could deal with the fallout. I'd like to try anyway.
I'm somewhat tangetially involved in this, so if there's any developments, I'll post as much as I can here.
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timing was the issue
If Wolff had aggressively pursued any and all Oakland locations when he first got the VP gig, he could have brokered a deal with Signature. By the time the draft EIR came out last year, it was probably too late.
Was Wolff not quick enough on the draw or stalling until all Oakland opportunities dried up? That's subject to interpretation.
by vertig0 on Apr 5, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read earlier that Wolff is already talking...
by breedingewoks on Apr 4, 2006 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i am ok with the stadium being in fremont
by burnone on Apr 4, 2006 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
by OaktownTribesman on Apr 4, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bet they would.
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
arlington's team...
by white rob on Apr 5, 2006 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do.
But hey, I'm sure Oakland will be keen to get rid of those Golden State Warriors, since they don't have Oakland's name...
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm tired of folks baggin' on Oakland
Fremont - land fills, strip malls, and a MLB stadium!
yipee!!
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on Apr 4, 2006 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And I'm tired of folks baggin' on Fremont!
Nothing.
All of the proposals by members of the Oakland City Coucil were half hearted attempts. If Wolff made an impossible request, then make a counter-offer. That's something they never did. They just sat on Wolff's offer. If they wanted to keep the A's they should of at least done something and said, "Hey Lew, we can't accomodate your request, why don't we meet in the middle?"
Don't get me wrong, the A's belong in Oakland, but what happens if Oakland doesn't accomodate them?
You used a boyfriend/girlfriend analogy when describe the situation with Oakland and the A's. I see it more like this:
The A's are a nice guy who is yearning for the affections of this girl, Oakland. Now she isn't the best looking girl out there, but she nice and perfect for the A's. Problem is, the girl habitually goes out with assholes who don't give a damn about her, in this case, the Raiders. Sooner or later something gives.
I want the A's to stay in Oakland, but the way Oakland has been treating our A's I won't lose a single moments worth of sleep if they skip town, especially if that town's Fremont. I think in Fremont, the A's have the best chance of maintaining at least some semblance of the way it was in Oakland, unlike in San Jose.
Pacific Commons is right off of 880 in the middle of an industrial district (no matter how much housing Wolff puts there it's still going to be an industrial district). It has views of the hills and is near the wetlands of the San Francisco Bay. Doesn't it sound like... the current Coliseum site?
by secret ASian man on Apr 4, 2006 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Oakland did respond
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 4, 2006 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From who?
The reality is that, if they really wanted to keep the A's, they'd have done more than made a couple of phone calls.
It's in Wolff's best interests to stay, if the city will work with him, but so far they don't seem interested.
Eventually you have to say time's up.
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They made plenty of effort
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a bit odd
by mcbronsh on Apr 5, 2006 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oakland pols must weigh
by mcbronsh on Apr 5, 2006 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I don't get.
You give me a week and a check book, I'll come back with room for a ballpark, on BART, with room to grow.
How it's impossible to do such a thing in Oakland, when the Giants seemed to manage it in a city where land costs ridiculous amounts and is in scarce supply, is really beyond me.
I mean, seriously, is the owner of the Pick-a-Part really so fond of his location that he wouldn't take $100k to move elsewhere?
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 1:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A-freakin-men
Why??? Because Oakland's government is controlled by special interests who want to prevent the gentrification of the ghetto. So all money is bad, except for Federal housing subsidies. No you look a Lew Wolff's plan, and what you get is gentrification, which is anathema to the vibe. Basically, Oakland is saying, We want our wretched conditions & the Raiders...to hell with the rest.
by 510inDenver on Apr 5, 2006 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure where you're getting this info
Have you been to Oakland? I live here, and it is certainly not a slum.
On a ranking of average home values, Oakland ranks #4 in the entire country for cities over 250,000. Oakland is the #11th wealthiest city in the country. We have less of every type of crime, both in real numbers, and per capita, than San Francisco.
Have you been downtown? Have you been to Oakland? You have no idea what you're talking about.
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i call bullsh!t
Oakland
409,300 residentss (in 2004)
94 murders in 2005
22.96 murders per 100,000 residents
San Francisco
744,230 residents (in 2005)
96 murders in 2005
12.90 murders per 100,000 residents
by white rob on Apr 5, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your population numbers are outdated (n/t)
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did say 2004.
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same handful of locations?
by white rob on Apr 5, 2006 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at a crime map
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knock down street corners.
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm yeah
Why did I move? Like I'm gonna put my kids in school there. Get real. I have 2 friends on the OPD (one a Captain, the other a Deputy Chief) and I know what the crime stats are. I also know how much time those officers spend doing silly stuff instead of the virually impossible job of cleaning up the city.
I'm sure its rating among the wealthiest cities would bump up too if Oakland re-annexed Piedmont, But lets ask ourselves, why did Piedmont go solo? So if you want to think of Oakland as being Oakland Hills and areas north of the $1mil mark fine. But when a 2 Bdrm, 1 Ba, 900 sq foot Bungalow on a 1/10th of an Acre goes for $500K (2 blocks off of MacArthur & Foothill!) you KNOW Gentrification is GOING to happen. But instead of embracing it, Oakland is damned and determined to keep low-income areas low-income. Look at that ridiculous waste of taxpayer money on MLK over on the west-side. When Oakland has some of the highest property taxes in the Bay Area, and city continually mismanages to cater to special interests, it is no wonder that the A's get treated as an ugly step-child.
Just my $.02.
Oh, and P.S. I am NOT anti-affordable housing. What I am anti- is the restrictions on landlords raising rents to perform needed property improvements. I am anti- putting perls on a sow, when roads need work, schools are in the dump, and civic pride is low.
by 510inDenver on Apr 5, 2006 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last time I checked
by BleacherDave on Apr 5, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really understand what you're saying
But lets ask ourselves, why did Piedmont go solo?
What are you talking about? Piedmont was never part of Oakland. I doubt that their choice to incorporate themselves in 1907 had anything to do with thinking Oakland was a slum.
I also think that East 14th (which nobody calls International, by the way) and MacArthur are pretty poor choices of streets to use as an example of a slum. They're just neighborhoods. It suggests to me that you haven't been there recently. East 14th is so flourishing economically that they actually have a negative retail vacancy rate. Its doing fabulous.
I really don't know why you persist in referring to Oakland as "da hood." If you want to discount the hills area from your perceptions of the city, you're ignoring a large chunk of the population as well as a large geographic chunk. There are certainly bad neighborhoods in Oakland, just as there are in SF and every other large city.
I don't understand why you say that Oakland is determined to keep low-income areas low-income. Especially when you cite the skyrocketing property values in the same sentence. Your argmuent makes zero sense to me.
What landlord restrictions are you talking about? Compared to neighboring cities, Oakland is practically a landlord's fantasyland. We have much fewer rent restrictions than Berkeley or SF.
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify...
As far as "How I see Oakland" My pretty poor example is based on my experiences of WHERE I LIVED. When my kids can't play in the street in front of my house, because of the thugs wandering by, yeah, I call it 'da hood. When my neighbors who rent out another house across the street attempt to raise the rent to pay for MUCH needed improvements, what happens? They get called racists, and the renters stop paying. Which then gets dragged into court. Every effort that the homeowners on MY STREET made to improve the area were stymied by the renters on the street. So, let the name calling begin again, but DON'T tell me I don't know Oakland. I can't REALLY believe that much has changed in 11 Months.
I retract my comment about Piedmont...I undertsood that they had incorporated later. My appologies. Happy Centenial!
by 510inDenver on Apr 5, 2006 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't paying attention
I mean, seriously, is the owner of the Pick-a-Part really so fond of his location that he wouldn't take $100k to move elsewhere?
Yes. Take, for example, the Forrest City project. That was a blighted and deserted area if there ever was one. It took years to assemble all the parcels through eminent domain, even though they were hardly any operating businesses on the land. Eminent domain also makes people angry. The Forrest City project benefits everyone in Oakland, especially downtown residents like me. And they paid those people way more than fair prices for their businesses and property. But it was still a nasty, nasty fight that angered many residents. Assembling a large clump of land, containing many parcels through eminent domain is an absolute nightmare.
when I get to Oakland all I see, right the way to the ballpark, is warehouses, auto body shops, junkyards, factories (that are closing), downtrodden housing and run down retail.
Actually, the factories and warehouse space in Oakland do pretty well. We're a port city. We use warehouses. People use them. And honestly, I'm not sure what train you're taking if that's what you see. On BART, you pass by the port, fruitvale (a thriving retail and business district), and a busy industrial district that supports the enginge of the Bay Area's economy.
Your attitude is reflective of a lack of understanding of Oakland's economy.
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 5, 2006 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you know what?
Congratulations - Oakland joins Detroit and Cincinnati on the list.
Honestly, in all sincerity, I traveled right around the bay last week, not on the interstate, but by bus and train and foot, I walked suburban streets, stood on CalTrain platforms, waited under shady trees for buses, sat in neighborhood parks and watched the world go by, from Santa Rosa all the way down to Palo Alto, and the only part of the entire Bay Area that I wouldn't live in was the East Bay.
I could live in Vegas (and have), because despite its bad areas, it has plenty of good ones and is working to move on up. Ditto a dozen other small, struggling, but slowly improving cities I've visited and/or resided in.
But not Oakland. It is, from what I could see (and I was looking hard) a hole, pure and simple. It's a city that never got the memo that grunge is dead.
There are nice parts I missed? I'm sure there are.
There are great places to eat, drink and live? I'd guess that's true.
You happen to enjoy it and have some civic pride in the place? Bully for you.
Maybe you're not bothered by a two-terminal airport that requires a two mile shuttle to find a rental car desk, and if so, well done sir.
But I'm telling you, as a tourist who came out to Oakland to see the A's and do some business, I'd never go back for anything but the baseball.
Maybe you dig the ports and what they do for the economy of... uh.. the people who work on the docks, but there's a lot more to a real city than heavy industry, and on a weekend when it was announced that the Mothers' Cookies factory will be closing and moving to Canada, it's looking to me like Oakland's even struggling on that front.
I've lived in CO, CA, DC, MA, NY, NJ, PA, IL, WA, TX, KY, OH, NV and many places in between, so please don't lecture me that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know what a shitty city looks like, and I know what a city trying to move on up looks like, and Oakland is not the latter.
I'm sure there's a nice city in there, struggling to get out, but damn, you might want to tell your civic leaders to do a better job demonstrating the fact. and step one would be to say to Lew Wolff, "Let's find some you some land and offer the owners enough that they want to leave. We'll cover the cost, you'll include low income housing, and you can have your damn ballpark village."
by Ozzz on Apr 5, 2006 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is absolutely insane
by stewbaby on Apr 5, 2006 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zzz.
The only way you fix Oakland is to admit there's a problem. And there clearly is.
Without the A's, it's an even bigger one.
by Ozzz on Apr 6, 2006 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, but I can't even respond to you
by tempest in a d cup on Apr 6, 2006 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, here's a clue.
by Ozzz on Apr 6, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the first to admit
Oakland is more than just those areas and some "nice places here and there." You have huge amounts of neighborhood diversity. There is the aforementioned industrial corridor (which does have some nice places here and there, but that just makes your point). You have a huge swath of Oakland flatlands north of the lake, which tends to be a very desirable area to live as reflected in the housing prices there (even adjusting for the torrid market). You have the huge swath of flatlands south of the lake, which is a mixed bag. You have the area around the lake, which also has its good and bad. Then you have the entire Oakland hills and foothills, which are not just an insubstantial suburb of Oakland, but cover a lot of land and house lots of people and are largely pleasant places to live.
Even many of the "grungy" areas have plenty of redeeming qualities. But regardless of what you think of the grunge, there are plenty of "yuppy" areas as well: Piedmont Ave., Montclair Village, Rockridge, Jack London Square, Lakeshore/Grand etc.
Don't get me wrong. Oakland has its problems. I especially agree with the poster who chastised the city for thwarting the improvement of bad neighborhoods (even if the intentions may be good). I'm just not understanding how all the other places you've lived plus a BART tour give you insight into Oakland.
by stewbaby on Apr 6, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify...
My point is, and I think you seem to be agreeing with it, that Oakland NEEDS to start turning over some real estate and making the undesirable desirable. And the place that should be happening is in the worst spots there is.
Where other cities come into that is my experiences in said cities, watching them trying desperately to improve even the foulest of places.
For example, Cincinnati had a dire riverside area that consisted of slag heaps, barges, parking lots, ghost town downtown areas, race riots and homeless people. They pegged on a sales tax to pay for a pair of massive state of the art stadiums, and not only are their sporting teams bringing in huge crowds, but that area is starting to turn the right way. People are coming back into the downtown area, and the ballpark is incredible.
In Sydney, they had a similar situation downtown where a whole load of industrial dockland areas were run down and not being developed because the owners wouldn't sell or put money into it, so they passed laws demanding that the properties be kept at a certain standard of taken under eminent domain. Almost everyone then decided to sell, and they turned it into an entire suburbn of retail, restaurants, entertainment, hotels, a casino and transport systems. Now Darling Harbor is the place to be, not just for tourists, but also for locals.
Take a walk through Nashville, or spend a day in downtown Memphis - both cities were slums until about five years ago when the cities in question decided to start bulldozing shitville, and building facilities that people could enjoy with their families. The Memphis Redbirds ballpark is, quite simply, the best stadium I've sat in - ever - and the city doesn't just own it, but also owns the team that plays there. The citizens are shareholders. And the city has sprung up from that to boomtime.
So what I'm saying is, to not jump at the chance to embrace Lew's ballpark village is insane on not just one or two levels, but many. It could turn Oakland's worst areas around, it could give them a stadium on the water, it could give them justification to improve the hitherto unimproveable, and it could mark Oakland not just as a city with some sporting teams, but as a place to go for ten million tourists a year that visit San Francisco.
Because right now, it's barely a place to go for locals. And while it may be slowly getting better, every other city of similar size is getting better WAY faster.
by Ozzz on Apr 6, 2006 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a three day visit and you're an expert
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 6, 2006 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wise is scheduled for next week.
Look, I get it, you're hurt that someone doesn't think that Oakland is paradise. No problem. Far be it from me to try to convince you otherwise. If you want to believe Oakland is a boomtown, by all means, go long on Oakland stock. Have an 'Oakland is A-okay' parade down the interstate and be as festive as you wanna be.
But as I said before, if people won't admit Oakland has a problem, Oakland will always have a problem.
And not for nothing, but if I had a major league team up here and the city was not trying everything in its power to keep it in town, I wouldn't be shrugging and calling it 'Vancouver politics', I'd be standing in front of some city offices with pitchforks and torches, screaming myself hoarse, and making sure I had a thousand people with me.
Case in point - recent elections happened up here in Vancouver and I approached every candidate for the Parks Department Board (which owns the stadium) with a set of questions as to what they chose to do with Nat Bailey Stadium - renovate, bulldoze, status quo? I posted the positions of each candidate on my Vancouver Canadians blog, and made a call to arms to baseball fans to side with a certain candidate based on his promises.
Our guy won. And since then, the entire area around the stadium has been beautified, new facilities are being built, new tranist lines are being worked through the place, and it's going to be awesome for the fans, for kids, and for locals.
Was it all down to me? Hell no, but I did my part, I turned up to meetings, and I spoke my opinion, rather than just watch as my team decided to move elsewhere out of frustration with the slow progress of city politics.
My question to you - what have YOU done to keep the A's in your favorite city?
If the Athletics leave, it isn't down to the politicians. It's down to the fact that Oaklanders don't care enough to fight for their team, and would rather keep their heads in the ground, believing that the problem is someone else's doing.
And you, dear sir, are a marvellous case in point.
by Ozzz on Apr 6, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm harsher on Oakland than most
Don't you feel the least bit of dissonence between A) Your avowed anti-Republican feelings, and B) Your view that the dwellings and business which house and employ Oakland's working class should be "cleaned up" with a new ballpark and upscale housing, profitting gazillionaires? FWIW, Oakland has added between 10-20,000 units of mostly market rate housing in the last ten years (depending on how one counts). To say the City is in denial and not attempting to improve itself it to wallow in ignorance.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 6, 2006 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broaching each of your points:
- No, I don't feel any disconnect between being a progressive and feeling that areas that have become slums should be cleaned up. However, I think you'll see from comments I've made elsewhere here, that Oakland should be ensuring that such developments include low income housing, not just high end condos. Diversity is important to an area, and that includes diversity in wealth levels, not just race. If you're honestly going to tell me that providing new housing for low income people is not as good as leaving them in crumbling neighborhoods, I'd be baffled.
- I don't doubt Oakland has added 10-20,000 units of housing, in the last decade, but that works out at just 2,000 units (by your most best case estimate) per year. If Oakland is indeed booming, where do the rest of the people flocking to the area end up living?
- As far as the profit levels of gazillionaires, I have no issue with rich people becoming richer if they're building infrastructure in a city filled with middle to lower class folks. To my mind, it would be much easier for Lew to simply gobble up real estate, bulldoze it, and make brand new housing units without any need for a ballpark. Or he could move to Vegas or Portland and have whatever conditions he wanted met by the cities in question. But instead, he's trying to build a suburb around a ballpark that will actually add to the city in ways financial, infrastructural, and cost-free to the taxpayer. Again, if you ahve a problem with his behavior, I'm baffled by the fact.
by Ozzz on Apr 6, 2006 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit your Bitching. Don't you like Canvas?
A's fans got some cool green canvas from Omar the tent maker....I didn't spot any other improvements for the year.
One thing I enjoyed --it was the quietest Yankee game at Software Colisium I have ever been to. Probably the difference between 45K and 34K voices.Last night there wer only 31K --that maybe the lowest attendence for a Yankee game in years.
by Aparicio11 on Apr 5, 2006 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im sure weather had something to go with last
by breedingewoks on Apr 5, 2006 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I grew up in Oakland.
It's time for the A's to move. No suitable plot in Oakland, no political will to make it happen, no voter will to tax themselves.
Better Fremont than Las Vegas.
Build it in Fremont, and they WILL come. And if THEY don't come, at least I'll get a front row seat.......
by BleacherDave on Apr 5, 2006 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And my wife and I will be in the front row with
by breedingewoks on Apr 5, 2006 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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