Why do we hate the Giants?
I am a proud student of Penn State University. Smack between the cities of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh there is a huge rivalry between the likes of Steelers and Eagles Fans. After watching the Steelers great performance I was dismayed to see so many Pennsylvanians disappointed. It is a good bet that almost every Penn State student has at least one friend who is a Steelers fan. Instead of being happy for their Steelers friends, over half of the campus seemed depressed not to be able to rub a loss in their faces. The way the Steelers fans did the previous year.
Why all this hate between friends? Is it because they are stupid uncultured football fans? Or are they stuck in a not so carefree east coast state of mind?
I don't think either is the case. I have seen a similar situation here on AN with the A's/Giants rivalry. I never lived in the Bay Area, and I know there have been a few good interleague series and a memorable championship. But has there been anything really in particular to facilitate this hatred? Does it all really just stem from being able to mock your neighbor/friend?
In my opinion, there is way too much hatred in sports. If the "home team" is our favorite team, shouldn't the other home team be at least respected?
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another PSUer here- class of '83
As for the Giants, in my case, it's one word: BONDS. As a Pirate fan, I remember the day Bonds was drafted, and of course I remember his days with the Bucs (I've got an old score card registering one of his leadoff homers at the 'stick); and of course my most haunting memory of him is failing to make even a decent play on Bream gimping around third with the winning run for the Braves in the last playoff appearance (perhaps ever?) for the Pirates.
Other than Bonds, I actually like the Giants (though nothing like my love of A's and Pirates). I always liked Marichal, McCovey, Mays, in the old days (and in '71 they were nice enough to succumb to my Pirates in the NLCS), and I really love reading the old Giants lore (I love Mathewson and John Montgomery Ward, who incidentally was born-like me- in Bellefonte, PA).
I guess a couple of other things piss me off about the Giants: their fans' ridiculous snobbishness about their stadium or their inability to recognize the obvious superiority of their rival team across the bay ;-)
Perhaps the only thing I'm legitimately mad at the Giants for is their insistence on their territorial "rights" to the San Jose market. Those rights were voluntarily ceded to them by Walter Haas, in order to help them out when the Giants wanted corporate sponsors for their new ballpark (what the hell is that thing called, anyway?). Now, I don't want the A's to move anywhere, since I live eight minutes from the ballpark, but if the only way the A's are to stay in the Bay Area is to move to SJ, then the Giants would be absolute PUNKS if they didn't return the favor and cede the San Jose market to the Athletics.
And by the way: HUZZAH STILLERS!!!!!
Good to see another Penn Stater
Media coverage
As for why rivalry/hatred between fans exists in a more general sense, you have to realize it all boils down to the fact that team sports are a stand-in for intertribal warfare in this day and age.
by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 7:17 AM PST reply actions
I couldn't agree more...
I like that...
hey OT
i would have emailed you, but you (along with nick86, faust, nebraska, matthias, danny, etc.) don't have an email address in your AN profile...
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2006/2/6/235133/1336/11#11
Thanks for the invite
by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Bonds too . . .
Not really
by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Market Competition
But in American sport I can see a reason for it. Teams local to each other in American sport have to compete for everything. It's not just the competition in the sport itself. Because you have so few clubs competing for so big a market, they're fighting for the price of every ticket, of every piece of merchandise, of TV rights, of hot dog sales; every newspaper headline or highlight on ESPN. Outside of having insanely free-spending owners, they have to fight on almost every level just to get to a point where they can compete on the field. Everything matters. Every success of your rival can have a direct impact on the success of your club, and that seems like a pretty good reason to root against them to me.
Two Words...
Otherwise I don't hate the Giants at all.
by saint on Feb 7, 2006 8:14 AM PST reply actions
I'm a reformed Giants-hater
I feel pretty much the same as you Nico
I like the Giants I wish them well but if they don't do well I just shrug. As for the A's every game I am on the edge of my seat. I don't have that feeling with the Giants at all except in the World series. Oh and I like Bonds just fine. I am one of the people who think steroids is very widespread so I don't hold that against him. He is the best hitter I have seen in my lifetime.So I enjoy watching him.
I envy the Giants that stadium. I am aggravated with some of my fellow Athletic fans who don't go out and buy tickets and come to the games! It's maddening because any pea-brain can see that closing that view level tier means bad things are to come if we don't attend the games! Give Athletics tics to friends for wedding presents,birthday gifts ,party prizes but buy buy buy!Or start waving bye bye bye to the A's in Nocal.
the ONLY
Death to the Angels!!!!
Death to So-Cal....
Well put Nico
Because they're there.
I actually don't hate them... well, except Bonds... HIM I hate. And Felipe Alou bugs the crap out of me. But as far as the team/organization is concerned, I simply resent them, for the media-attention and territorial reasons mentioned in posts above. My parents & sisters and their friends are Giants fans, so I sometimes go to games with them if someone has tickets that I don't have to pay for... and if the opponent isn't a team that I find more interesting, I'm actually capable of rooting for the Giants without pain.
DITTO!
I have to say, going to the Giants game, the day Mulder was pitching for the Cardinals, was great fun showing up in all red, with my red A's hat! I got a sick thrill out of it.
But I have been to a game or two where I could care less about the opposing team, and did cheer on the Giants. But mostly, I was just cheering along with my friends. Too bad they don't do the same for me at A's games. =(
Actually, that makes me think. Most A's fans I know are ok with the idea of cheering on the Giants when a handful of things occur. 1. They are not playing the A's. 2. There is no other game on at the time. 3. They aren't playing a team that we like better in the NL.
So if we are willing to cheer them on because we love the game and enjoy supporting the hometown team if the circumstances fit, why can't Giants fans do the same?
I think that is a big part of my issue with the Giants. Their fans are hypocrits. (and I can say that, since 85% of my friends are Giants fans!) They say they love the game, but they can't bring themselves to cheer on a GOOD team when they are not playing the Giants! Now that is completely ridiculous.
Ok, so my dislike for the Giants is probably 20% the team, 25% Barry Bonds and 55% the fans.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 7, 2006 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I look bad in bright red...
One of my sisters is actually half the reason I bought a 2nd season ticket for the first time this year (actually, bought it in August last year and renewed it this year). She goes to a lot of games with me and cheers for the A's (unless they're playing the Giants) -- she used to have mini-plan season tix at Candlestick, and will always be primarily a Giants fan, but also just really loves the good, affordable baseball experience.
I liked them when
Will Clark
by jayberwanger on Feb 7, 2006 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
The Thrill was the only reason
by haren4prez on Feb 7, 2006 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
I still love this past season
maybe it's the stadium
The Bonds era definitely creates a media frenzy that helps bury our wonderful Athletics in the news, and I think we all resent that. The A's should always be the first story on the sports segments, especially last year, with Bonds out and the A's making such a furious comeback...wasn't always the case though. In fact, almost never were they first on the news.
by giambizombie on Feb 7, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions
Why do you think they should be first?
I love it....more underdog the better.
It's not just Bonds
That being said, I have to admit there's one Giants fan I love: Grant, over at McCovey Chronicles. With all respect to Blez and Nico and others here, he is hands down the cleverest, funniest, and most inspired sports blogger around.
by SportySpice on Feb 7, 2006 10:13 AM PST reply actions
some of the regulars on that blog
Lisa: Swim for San Francisco!
that pretty much sums it up
by giambizombie on Feb 7, 2006 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants are a classically tragic team.
Now myself, as a Bay Area baseball fan, I love having two teams, one in each league, to watch. I am definitely an A's fan, no question about it, cuz I'm an East Bay guy, and besides, I started following the A's in 1980 right when Rickey exploded into being the most exciting player I've ever seen. But I do like being able to listen to two ballgames in one day, especially if the A's are off on the East Coast and the Giants are at home, or vice versa. I can put up with their "homer" announcers, and besides Jon Miller is damn good. Following the Giants keeps me in touch with the National League and the big picture as a whole.
And as others have mentioned on this thread, the Giants are very much the opposite of the A's; load up on veterans again and again (I mean, they're excited about adding 40-year old Steve Finley to their average 40-year old outfield? Who are they kidding?), don't have a lot of young talent, do have a great ballpark (now that's one I do wish the A's could emulate), and do seem to have more cell phone yapping yuppy fans--at least since they moved from Candlestick.
So no hate here, just an appreciation of the Giants' tragic course through baseball history. Oh, did I mention the 1989 Series yet? Tee hee!
by TheBigO on Feb 7, 2006 10:41 AM PST reply actions
I've tried...
And another thing... why is it that the A's have to play second fiddle to those damn Giants? How many World Series titles have they won in their time in the Bay? ZERO!! And how many have the A's won? 4!! Geez, the Giants havent won a title in over 50 years, yet they get all of the Bays media attention. Just a shame. Cant wait til Bonds retires and they lose their luster.
what everyone said but with more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Media imbalance, demographics, superiority complex
- Giants get the lion's share of the local media attention, regardless of how they're doing. Not much can be done about that because there's really only one big sports radio station in the Bay Area (KNBR/Ticket1050). Meanwhile, the A's wander from station to station every couple years (in the last decade or so, I seem to remember 560/610/910)
- Ever since they moved to Canyouhearmenowlookiti'montv-Park, they've attracted 'fans' that go for the status symbol instead of being actual baseball fans. Casual fans wouldn't be that big of a problem except they've really got sloppy fan etiquette (cell phones, laptops?!?!, etc) Then again, larger A's crowds have been known to do the wave ... while our own pitcher is pitching.
- Giants fans talk a lot of smack for a team that has never brought a World Series trophy to the Bay Area.
- In most two-team regions in most sports, it's nearly impossible to truly be a fan of two teams, whether it's 49ers/Raiders, Cal/stanfurd, UCLA/U$C, Lakers/Clippers, Dodgers/Angels, Cubs/ChiSox, Yankees/Mets, etc ... In most pairings, there's often geographic and perceived demographic differences ... goldenchild/blacksheep, whitecollar/bluecollar ... Since sports fans tend to identify themselves with a group, it's only natural that they pick one or the other.
casual fans
If you were in the BAY AREA
Basically if you are an A's fan in the bay area all you here about it is the Giants and it sickens all of us especially since they have never won a World Series since moving here from NY.
Their fans are came out of no where in or around 2001 and a lot of them have no idea about their team or team history. They are bandwagoneers.In 1999 or 200 when they were in Candlestick nobody gave a crap about the Giants they were boring.
by OakAs33 on Feb 7, 2006 1:51 PM PST reply actions
EVERY team has bandwagoners
And FYI, any Giants fans that trooped out to Candlestick during the 2000 season had a good reason for being bored while they were out there...
No!!!
They drink wine and eat sushi at baseball games!
Actually, no, I've got nothing against them. In a largely zero-sum marketplace, I just think what's bad for the Giants is good for the A's.
HATE 'EM
My biggest problem with them is with the "territorial rights" they have to the South Bay. It bugs me to no end.
- If the A's were to move to San Jose, it would actually move them FARTHER AWAY from the Giants than they are now.
- The territorial rights granted to the Giants were so that they could move to San Jose instead of being moved out of state to Tampa Bay. Well, this is a moot point now as the Giants got a new stadium in San Francisco.
- Not only is the stadium issue for the giants a moot point, but, the election in San Jose FAILED. They didn't want to pay for the Giants stadium. And not only did the San Jose election fail, but, an election in Santa Clara failed as well.
And what ticks me off also, is that, the A's never went out of their way to try and make the Giants leave town back in the 80's and early 90's. They never came out and said, as McGowan has, that the A's would have been better off without the Giants. They never quoted market surveys as to how much revenue the A's would have lost from the South Bay market if the Giants had moved there. But, that is what the Giants are doing.
I never laughed so hard as I did when Glaus hit that 2 run double to take the lead in Game 6. He is my lifelong hero.
by joses bathroom buddy on Feb 7, 2006 2:05 PM PST reply actions
Jealousy
I'm also jealous of their stadium. Say what you will about corporate fans, etc, but that thing is a jewel. And it's mostly packed, although that could change in the years ahead. I wish the A's had a better park in a better location that was full every night.
However, when it comes to the team on the field and the people building that team, it's no contest. The A's are superior in every non-HGH-induced way.
I think the number one (and two) reason
by haren4prez on Feb 7, 2006 2:23 PM PST reply actions
I actually like Duane Kuiper
Hate those Commericals, too
by pachydermOAFC on Feb 7, 2006 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
That erasing people thing ...
Kruk & Kuip
Ditto
I agree. It's not just entertainment...
Entertaining?
by conniemack on Feb 8, 2006 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Giants
I'd say there's less of a rivalry between the A's and Giants relative to the other intra-market rivalries (NYC, CHI, LA). It also seems that A's fans care a lot more about the Giants than vice versa (which is also true of the White Sox, Mets, and Angels fans with ther respective rivals). I guess it's natural as the second fiddle in media coverage...
probably because..
In essence, I dislike the Giant's because of their arrogance. It starts up top with McGowan, who vehemently protests his supposed South Bay territorial rights, to the all omnipotent weiner Bonds, down to their sportscasters on KNBR (Razor, Bruce McGowen, etc.). They are a classless organization that hasn't won or done anything in the Bay Area.
OTOH, you have the A's, the underdogs of not only the Bay Area but all of Baseball, who's former owner Walter Haas (God Bless) bought and retained the A's as a philanthropic act for the community of Oakland and Sandy Alderson developed it into the modern Moneyball era it is now. From top to bottom, the A's organization is about youth, community, and fun, where as the Giant's, in the immortal words of former Giants broadcaster Larry Krueger said, "are an old decripity team".
I've always felt that the A's were MY team with a bunch of friends (Hunter, Stewart, McGwire, Giambi, etc.), where as the Giants were just another form of entertainment with a bunch of old pros.
by ST on Feb 7, 2006 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
i hate em for...
by TrizzleNizzle510 on Feb 7, 2006 3:05 PM PST reply actions
Basically all I hear
Right on
I've tried to like the Giants, I really have. I'd never cheer for them like I do the A's, but they've had a chance to interest me and it hasn't happened. They play sloppy, have asshole players, can't win and have some of the most horrendously fairweather fans I've ever seen.
To sum it up: when I goto Oakland I'm in a lackluster stadium for a great game. When I'm in SF I'm in a great stadium for a lackluster game (unless the A's are there).
A's fans have heart
They just flat out don't respect our philosophy, our colors, our players, but they think we should bow down to all their old decrepid players they wheel out there.
Giants are Ginats like Goliath while the A's play the role of David constantly slaying the giant.
I loved it when we beat the snot out of them last year 16-0. I went with this guy who is a giants fan and he left after the third inning, almost all of the giats fans did. It was awesome.
by BashBrothers89 on Feb 7, 2006 5:01 PM PST reply actions
last season
This season
Living in the Sacramento region,
And yeah, KMAX drives me crazy, but if I take off my green and gold glasses, I can't blame them for carrying more Giants games if they get higher ratings here. :-/
I think a lot of the dislike is caused by fans. I'm not surrounded by many Giants (or even baseball) fans on a daily basis, so there's not much "rubbing it in their/our faces" going on. I guess if I lived in the Bay Area or had to listen to a lot of B.S. from Giants fans every day, it would be different, but I haven't experienced it.
And I don't get any pleasure rooting against the Giants. I get a certain sense of satisfaction watching the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels lose, but I don't get that while watching the Giants games. <Shrugs>
And I do watch/listen to a lot of Giants games. I just don't root against them.
clearly the team to hate is...
by Suck My Moneyballs on Feb 7, 2006 5:56 PM PST reply actions
except
I Don't Really Like the D*mn City
The ballpark is sweet, I give them that, but the seats stink in the upper decks. Best to get a cheap ticket to anywhere, and when the As or anyone else is spanking them, move down to the lower level (very very nice angle and view to the seating) when the Suppies (San Francisco Yuppies) leave in their high-pitched impotent white rage to prance home to gnocchi and a rerun of Will & Grace.
Back to the city. SF is a sh*t city with a few diamonds and pearls mixed in. But it's mostly ugly, rude, aggressive and hard-nosed (compared murder rates between SF and Oaktown in recent years?), yet obnoxiously, hypocritically and uncomprehendingly self-satisfied. It's decadent, meaning it is failing and fading, not continuing or improving. Walk the downtown and you'll fall over from the stench of a failing sewer and drainage system. The streets are besotted with failed idealists (also known as panhandlers and drunks) whose vision was too bizarre even for the patent-leather shoe, spritzer-sipping, piss-Christ-viewing crowd of imported Eastern liberal school grads who squat on their haunches reading free weekly papers trying to find a bed-sit on their waitress-at-the-Stinking-Rose-with-a-side-job-as-a-nude-model-for-night-school-art-student salaries.
And remember, aged AN readers, even the Grateful Dead preferred Oakland for their New Years Eve concerts.
Once you're done dragging yourself up Snob Hill or crab-walking through Castro, ain't no other place in town to hear an articulate sentence or tri-syllable words.
Even Chinatown (really the best place in the city) pales in comparison to Oakland's Asian gourmet cooks.
The best thing about "Frisco" (who cares who gets mad about that name?) is its ideal and what it represents to people who flee worse in the USA. The worst thing is the city's reality and the generations of Okie bums and losers who screwed and continue to screw it up.
Reputation be d*mned -- the East Bay is a far better place to be, from climate to a healthy mix of ethnicities to -- need I say it -- better baseball. That's a secret, and it ain't dirty. You gotta wonder, would it be better or worse if the secret got let out?
I took the time to log in
by emperor nobody on Feb 7, 2006 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
You might be metrosexual
Our cover is blown, I'm afraid
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2006 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
wow! thats quite a rant dan
by haren4prez on Feb 11, 2006 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
I live in Oakland
gWiLiKeRzZz
If the A's moved i would still root for them. it would hurt me a lot since it is the only team i root for but i love them to death and couldn't see myself rooting for any other team especially not the Giants.
I will be a fan no matter where they move to,Fremont, San Jose, Vegas ,or Mars.
by BashBrothers89 on Feb 7, 2006 9:53 PM PST reply actions
Don't be so quick to judge
I support the local teams, and I love the A's far and away as my #1 team, but if I can't watch or listen to them regularly, I can't promise my loyalty to a team that's not loyal to my home (The Bay Area). I can't say for sure what I'd do if the A's move away, but like the Raiders, I suspect they'd lose my support over the years.
trying to stay away from this discussion...
I hate the giants for all the reasons mentioned about media bias etc, but more the reasons mentioned by Dan.
No matter what the A's do, all you get is giants, giants, giants. When I was in college and listened to A's games on ESPN radio, I can remember a couple times listening to the A's...the game going into the bottom of the 9th inning, down by a run...only to get broken up by..."We interrupt this program to bring you the giants PRE-GAME show." What kind of shit is that?
I have always felt that the giants and their fans look down upon both the A's, and the east bay. In fact I dated a girl whose family are typical giants fans ("root" for the team, but dont even know the players). Her aunt came over to my house and saw and A's pennant, and said, "your not an A's fan are you?". When I said of course I am, she said "I thought you had class". She was kidding of course, but it still pissed me off.
I'm not suprised so many people on AN dont hate the giants, reasons like mine dont make sense unless you grew up here.
Giants
by Norcalvb on Feb 7, 2006 11:53 PM PST reply actions

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