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Why do we hate the Giants?

I am a proud student of Penn State University. Smack between the cities of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh there is a huge rivalry between the likes of Steelers and Eagles Fans.  After watching the Steelers great performance I was dismayed to see so many Pennsylvanians disappointed.  It is a good bet that almost every Penn State student has at least one friend who is a Steelers fan.  Instead of being happy for their Steelers friends, over half of the campus seemed depressed not to be able to rub a loss in their faces. The way the Steelers fans did the previous year.

Why all this hate between friends? Is it because they are stupid uncultured football fans? Or are they stuck in a not so carefree east coast state of mind?

I don't think either is the case. I have seen a similar situation here on AN with the A's/Giants rivalry. I never lived in the Bay Area, and I know there have been a few good interleague series and a memorable championship.  But has there been anything really in particular to facilitate this hatred?  Does it all really just stem from being able to mock your neighbor/friend?

In my opinion, there is way too much hatred in sports. If the "home team" is our favorite team, shouldn't the other home team be at least respected?

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What are your feelings towards the Giants?
I'll root for them on occasion
46 votes
One of my favorite teams
28 votes
Hate the team and their fans
101 votes
General dislike
70 votes
Indifferent
27 votes

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another PSUer here- class of '83
As a matter of fact, I grew up in State College (my dad was a prof), so I know exactly what you're talking about.  As you know, though, State College aligns itself more with Pittsburgh (I grew up a Pirates and Steelers fan) than Philly, but many of the students are from the eastern part of the state, and thus favor Philadelphia.

As for the Giants, in my case, it's one word: BONDS. As a Pirate fan, I remember the day Bonds was drafted, and of course I remember his days with the Bucs (I've got an old score card registering one of his leadoff homers at the 'stick); and of course my most haunting memory of him is failing to make even a decent play on Bream gimping around third with the winning run for the Braves in the last playoff appearance (perhaps ever?) for the Pirates.

Other than Bonds, I actually like the Giants (though nothing like my love of A's and Pirates). I always liked Marichal, McCovey, Mays, in the old days (and in '71 they were nice enough to succumb to my Pirates in the NLCS), and I really love reading the old Giants lore (I love Mathewson and John Montgomery Ward, who incidentally was born-like me- in Bellefonte, PA).

I guess a couple of other things piss me off about the Giants: their fans' ridiculous snobbishness about their stadium or their inability to recognize the obvious superiority of their rival team across the bay ;-)

Perhaps the only thing I'm legitimately mad at the Giants for is their insistence on their territorial "rights" to the San Jose market.  Those rights were voluntarily ceded to them by Walter Haas, in order to help them out when the Giants wanted corporate sponsors for their new ballpark (what the hell is that thing called, anyway?).  Now, I don't want the A's to move anywhere, since I live eight minutes from the ballpark, but if the only way the A's are to stay in the Bay Area is to move to SJ, then the Giants would be absolute PUNKS if they didn't return the favor and cede the San Jose market to the Athletics.

And by the way: HUZZAH STILLERS!!!!!

by Brian in 317 on Feb 7, 2006 6:33 AM PST reply actions  

Good to see another Penn Stater
I also am a Pirates fan (to a certain extent), though it's hard to root for a team that is run so poorly. That series against the braves was tough to watch.

by dbeach13 on Feb 7, 2006 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Media coverage
The fact is, the A's have to share a market with the Giants, who are the region's media darlings (especially a well-known cheater by the name of Bonds, Barry), while the A's are relegated to being on the "backburner". This generates resentment from us A's fans. This is not something that can be applied to the Steelers/Eagles situation, where each team has their own primary market.

As for why rivalry/hatred between fans exists in a more general sense, you have to realize it all boils down to the fact that team sports are a stand-in for intertribal warfare in this day and age.

by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

I couldn't agree more...
Aside from the simple, pleasant sports rivarly that occurs anywhere, Oakland is like the black sheep to the bay area media.  The only way the A's get decent (not good or great, but decent) media coverage around here is if the Gnats are losing.  If they're a .500 team and the A's are tearing it up, we still don't get coverage.  That along with the fact that Gnat fans, on average, are white collar whereas A's fans are, on average, blue collar, and you can see all sort of reasons for resentment without ever getting into each team's personality (i.e. bonds, and their little nasty little late-80's catch phrase <shutters>).

by DMOAS on Feb 7, 2006 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I like that...
I love being the overlooked undersog...Makes winning all the more sweet.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

hey OT
are you interested in doing an athletics nation fantasy baseball league?  

i would have emailed you, but you (along with nick86, faust, nebraska, matthias, danny, etc.) don't have an email address in your AN profile...

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2006/2/6/235133/1336/11#11

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 7, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the invite
But I'm not into fantasy baseball.

by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate Bonds too . . .
like everyone else on this board.  But isn't it a bit hypocritacal as A's fans to bash him for steroid use (Giambi, Mac, Conseco ...)?  Just a thought.

by humdinger on Feb 7, 2006 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really
I bash those three you mention as well. It was all fun while they were on the A's, but in light of recent developments I have to say it's time we turned that page. The A's can and should exist apart from those three cheaters. Meanwhile, there are alot of Giants fans who feel Giants = Bonds and won't know what to do the day he retires/goes to jail.

by OaktownTribesman on Feb 7, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey
its CANSECO, and I dont diss Jose!!!!! one of the Greatest A's of All time... 40-40 baby!!!
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Market Competition
In my life as a soccer fan, local rivalries were very important. As an Arsenal fan it's my "duty" to hate Tottenham because they're our closest rivals geographically. I still can't go to a game without a load of anti-Tottenham chants starting up. The thing is, as I've aged I've realised how bogus it is. Sure, I still revel in their woes, but that's just because I revel in almost every other team's woes. For years now (up until this year really), Tottenham haven't even been near us in terms of competition. Us wasting our vitriol on them would be like BoSox fans hating on the Orioles instead of the Yankees. So yeah, rivalries don't always make sense...

But in American sport I can see a reason for it. Teams local to each other in American sport have to compete for everything. It's not just the competition in the sport itself. Because you have so few clubs competing for so big a market, they're fighting for the price of every ticket, of every piece of merchandise, of TV rights, of hot dog sales; every newspaper headline or highlight on ESPN. Outside of having insanely free-spending owners, they have to fight on almost every level just to get to a point where they can compete on the field. Everything matters. Every success of your rival can have a direct impact on the success of your club, and that seems like a pretty good reason to root against them to me.

"We don't talk, we hold forth. We don't converse, we expound."

by textonly on Feb 7, 2006 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

No prob with the Giants here...
Not an active fan, but no prob with them.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Two Words...
Barry Bonds

Otherwise I don't hate the Giants at all.

While taint is everywhere and baseball is certainly no different, it's important that it be treated with open attention-Devo

by saint on Feb 7, 2006 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Ditto me.
Without Bonds destroying the fabric of our game, I have no beef with the Gnats.

by Ozzz on Feb 7, 2006 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a reformed Giants-hater
who now roots for them. The Giants are my backup plan, a team I can root for casually and forget within seconds if they endure a tough loss. In rooting for them, I am rooting mostly for familiarity and for the Bay Area. But I am never on the edge of my seat. Sometimes it's nice to watch baseball, know one of the teams really well, but not care too much; for me that's the Giants, now.

by Nico on Feb 7, 2006 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

I feel pretty much the same as you Nico
I am buying Giant tics for five games from a friend who is a season ticket holder. They are primo seats right behind the catcher on the second deck.

I like the Giants I  wish them well but if they don't do well I just shrug. As for the A's every game I am on the edge of my seat. I don't have that feeling with the Giants at all except in the World series. Oh and I like Bonds just fine. I am one of the people who think steroids is very widespread so I don't hold that against him. He is the best hitter I have seen in my lifetime.So I enjoy watching him.

I envy the Giants that stadium. I am aggravated with some of my fellow Athletic fans who don't go out and buy tickets and come to the games! It's maddening because any pea-brain can see that closing that view level tier means bad things are to come if we don't attend the games! Give Athletics tics to friends for wedding presents,birthday gifts ,party prizes but buy buy buy!Or start waving bye bye bye to the A's in Nocal.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 7, 2006 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

the ONLY
time I have ever rooted for the Giants, was in the 2002 World series, becasue I hate the Angels with every bone in my body!!!! plus I was in the Navy Brig at the time, and when your in the Navy's Jail you have to have something to keep you sane. I hate the giants for sure, but I hate the Angels SO MUCH MORE!!!!

Death to the Angels!!!!
Death to So-Cal....

Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Well put Nico
my animosty, what there was toward the Gnats, was admitedly amplified and whipped to a froth the last two seasons with my AN participation.   AN "taught me how to hate the Giants"....it felt exquisitely good in a sophomoric way....still does from time to time.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 with no more hex in 2006.

by ak_A on Feb 7, 2006 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Because they're there.
Or because they're EVERYWHERE.  Like OaktownTribesman pointed out, "media darlings."  Despite the inferiority of their product, and the fact that so many longtime real Giants fans are priced out of their shiny new park (which actually might happen to us in OUR shiny new park, too).  It's all about exposure, and here on the west side of the Bay, the exposure is deafening... and extends as far around Earth's curve as KNBR does.

I actually don't hate them... well, except Bonds... HIM I hate.  And Felipe Alou bugs the crap out of me. But as far as the team/organization is concerned, I simply resent them, for the media-attention and territorial reasons mentioned in posts above.  My parents & sisters and their friends are Giants fans, so I sometimes go to games with them if someone has tickets that I don't have to pay for... and if the opponent isn't a team that I find more interesting, I'm actually capable of rooting for the Giants without pain.

"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

DITTO!
Word for word! Spot on how I feel about them!

I have to say, going to the Giants game, the day Mulder was pitching for the Cardinals, was great fun showing up in all red, with my red A's hat! I got a sick thrill out of it.

But I have been to a game or two where I could care less about the opposing team, and did cheer on the Giants. But mostly, I was just cheering along with my friends. Too bad they don't do the same for me at A's games. =(

Actually, that makes me think. Most A's fans I know are ok with the idea of cheering on the Giants when a handful of things occur. 1. They are not playing the A's. 2. There is no other game on at the time. 3. They aren't playing a team that we like better in the NL.

So if we are willing to cheer them on because we love the game and enjoy supporting the hometown team if the circumstances fit, why can't Giants fans do the same?

I think that is a big part of my issue with the Giants. Their fans are hypocrits. (and I can say that, since 85% of my friends are Giants fans!) They say they love the game, but they can't bring themselves to cheer on a GOOD team when they are not playing the Giants! Now that is completely ridiculous.

Ok, so my dislike for the Giants is probably 20% the team, 25% Barry Bonds and 55% the fans.

"Frank Thomas's arms are the size of Huston Street!" - Kyli - 1/28/06

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 7, 2006 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I look bad in bright red...
...so I wore all green & gold to that same Cards game at SBC. :-D

One of my sisters is actually half the reason I bought a 2nd season ticket for the first time this year (actually, bought it in August last year and renewed it this year). She goes to a lot of games with me and cheers for the A's (unless they're playing the Giants) -- she used to have mini-plan season tix at Candlestick, and will always be primarily a Giants fan, but also just really loves the good, affordable baseball experience.

"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked them when
They got swept in the bay bridge series, I can still talk crap to my friends since they have never won a world series in SF. Will Clark was the man too.
"If you throw at someone's head, it's very dangerous, because in the head is the brain." -- Pudge Rodriguez

by niallmack on Feb 7, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

Will Clark
I think Will was the man as well.  I can't believe they let him go.  I thought Robbie Thompson was so overrated.  He struck out way too much.

by jayberwanger on Feb 7, 2006 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

The Thrill was the only reason
I ever watched the Gnats. The A's were my favorite team, but Clark was my second favorite player (after Rickey). These guys were what baseball is all about. Dirty uniform, nasty snarl and balls out style of play. Plus they both could back up the swagger. Other than that, it's been mentioned above but the media coverage of the Gnats is maddening. Also, if you don't live in the east bay, forget about picking up an A's game on the radio or T.V. This breeds anger, resentment, and whatever other catchphrase you may want to use to describe pissed off A's fan.
Lou Brock was a great base stealer, but today, I am the greatest! - Rickey Henderson

by haren4prez on Feb 7, 2006 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Ack!
Will the pill?  
"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on Feb 7, 2006 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I still love this past season
28-0!!!!! ha ha ha Giants fans, that is one of my favior games of all time for sure!
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe it's the stadium
i dunno. But I didn't hate them so much when they were at candlestick, and maybe it's cuz of the fans that adopted them once they moved to "phone company" ballpark. I've literally seen tailgate parties with tablecloths, wine, wine glasses, cheese, baguettes...all well and good at an Italian restaurant, but a wine and cheese tailgate?
The Bonds era definitely creates a media frenzy that helps bury our wonderful Athletics in the news, and I think we all resent that. The A's should always be the first story on the sports segments, especially last year, with Bonds out and the A's making such a furious comeback...wasn't always the case though. In fact, almost never were they first on the news.

by giambizombie on Feb 7, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

Why do you think they should be first?
The Giants have more fans and are more popular.....If I were a Bay Area news station, unless something major happened with the A's, the Giants or Niners would be my lead story too.

I love it....more underdog the better.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not just Bonds
Although he's a big part of it. It's how the organization has pandered to him and covered up his dirty laundry for years, even though he treats his own team and management with contempt. The message is: No matter how awful you are as a person, and how badly you treat other people, it's all forgiven if you can hit lots of homeruns. Not a good message. And Giants fans treat him like a hero.

That being said, I have to admit there's one Giants fan I love: Grant, over at McCovey Chronicles. With all respect to Blez and Nico and others here, he is hands down the cleverest, funniest, and most inspired sports blogger around.

by SportySpice on Feb 7, 2006 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

some of the regulars on that blog
are pretty clever as well...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 7, 2006 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Lisa: Swim for San Francisco!
Homer: San Francisco!?! I'm not made of money. We'll swim for Oakland!

by ArakSOT on Feb 7, 2006 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

that pretty much sums it up
one of my favorite simpsons lines

by giambizombie on Feb 7, 2006 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The Giants are a classically tragic team.
Sort of like the Brooklyn Dodgers, or the Red Sox until recently (sigh), they are usually pretty good (well--ignore late 70s and mid 80s, heh heh), but always seem to just fall short.  No better example exists than the '02 series, when they got complacent only 8 outs from victory.  As a baseball fan, you have to appreciate the agonizing trip they've put their fans through for the past, oh, 47 years.  
Now myself, as a Bay Area baseball fan, I love having two teams, one in each league, to watch.  I am definitely an A's fan, no question about it, cuz I'm an East Bay guy, and besides, I started following the A's in 1980 right when Rickey exploded into being the most exciting player I've ever seen.  But I do like being able to listen to two ballgames in one day, especially if the A's are off on the East Coast and the Giants are at home, or vice versa.  I can put up with their "homer" announcers, and besides Jon Miller is damn good.  Following the Giants keeps me in touch with the National League and the big picture as a whole.  
And as others have mentioned on this thread, the Giants are very much the opposite of the A's; load up on veterans again and again (I mean, they're excited about adding 40-year old Steve Finley to their average 40-year old outfield?  Who are they kidding?), don't have a lot of young talent, do have a great ballpark (now that's one I do wish the A's could emulate), and do seem to have more cell phone yapping yuppy fans--at least since they moved from Candlestick.
So no hate here, just an appreciation of the Giants' tragic course through baseball history.  Oh, did I mention the 1989 Series yet?  Tee hee!
Good pitching beats good hitting. And vice versa.

by TheBigO on Feb 7, 2006 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

I've tried...
but i just cant bring myself to root for them.  Maybe its cause of Bonds, maybe not, i really dont remember liking them in the early 90s and late 80s either tho.

And another thing... why is it that the A's have to play second fiddle to those damn Giants?  How many World Series titles have they won in their time in the Bay? ZERO!! And how many have the A's won? 4!!  Geez, the Giants havent won a title in over 50 years, yet they get all of the Bays media attention.  Just a shame.  Cant wait til Bonds retires and they lose their luster.

President of the Brent Gates Fan Club

by SoCal As Fan on Feb 7, 2006 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe...
...because the Giants were here first... or the city of San Francisco is widely thought of in more "sparkly" terms than Oakland is... I dunno...  :\
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Media imbalance, demographics, superiority complex
  1. Giants get the lion's share of the local media attention, regardless of how they're doing.  Not much can be done about that because there's really only one big sports radio station in the Bay Area (KNBR/Ticket1050).  Meanwhile, the A's wander from station to station every couple years (in the last decade or so, I seem to remember 560/610/910)
  2. Ever since they moved to Canyouhearmenowlookiti'montv-Park, they've attracted 'fans' that go for the status symbol instead of being actual baseball fans.  Casual fans wouldn't be that big of a problem except they've really got sloppy fan etiquette (cell phones, laptops?!?!, etc)  Then again, larger A's crowds have been known to do the wave ... while our own pitcher is pitching.
  3.  Giants fans talk a lot of smack for a team that has never brought a World Series trophy to the Bay Area.
  4.  In most two-team regions in most sports, it's nearly impossible to truly be a fan of two teams, whether it's 49ers/Raiders, Cal/stanfurd, UCLA/U$C, Lakers/Clippers, Dodgers/Angels, Cubs/ChiSox, Yankees/Mets, etc ... In most pairings, there's often geographic and perceived demographic differences ... goldenchild/blacksheep, whitecollar/bluecollar ... Since sports fans tend to identify themselves with a group, it's only natural that they pick one or the other.

by Rickeyfan on Feb 7, 2006 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

casual fans
are scared to go to Oakland games, because of the reputation that the Black Hole leaves... they think since Raiders fans are so damm drunk and Crazy, that A's fans are the same way... which we are to a point, but the media likes to blow small things out of porportion. Like in 2004 when the Rangers Bullpen pitcher(his name escapes me) threw the chair into the crowd, the Bay area media blammed it on "rowdy A's fans" which I dont really think is true. Altho after going to games in places like Safeco in seattle, you do realize the A's crowd is much more hardcore....but we are not mean... Well Maybe to Angels fans!
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If you were in the BAY AREA
you probably wouldn't ask this question. People who live in the bay area know why they hate the Giants and their fans.

Basically if you are an A's fan in the bay area all you here about it is the Giants and it sickens all of us especially since they have never won a World Series since moving here from NY.

Their fans are came out of no where in or around 2001 and a lot of them have no idea about their team or team history. They are bandwagoneers.In 1999 or 200 when they were in Candlestick nobody gave a crap about the Giants they were boring.

"Who wouldn't look great wearing Green and Gold?"- Ray Fosse

by OakAs33 on Feb 7, 2006 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

EVERY team has bandwagoners
Just a fact of sports-watching.

And FYI, any Giants fans that trooped out to Candlestick during the 2000 season had a good reason for being bored while they were out there...

"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No!!!
No respect for Giants fans!!!!

They drink wine and eat sushi at baseball games!

Actually, no, I've got nothing against them. In a largely zero-sum marketplace, I just think what's bad for the Giants is good for the A's.

by devo on Feb 7, 2006 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

HATE 'EM
I hate the Giants.  

My biggest problem with them is with the "territorial rights" they have to the South Bay.  It bugs me to no end.

  1.  If the A's were to move to San Jose, it would actually move them FARTHER AWAY from the Giants than they are now.
  2. The territorial rights granted to the Giants were so that they could move to San Jose instead of being moved out of state to Tampa Bay.  Well, this is a moot point now as the Giants got a new stadium in San Francisco.
  3. Not only is the stadium issue for the giants a moot point, but, the election in San Jose FAILED.  They didn't want to pay for the Giants stadium.  And not only did the San Jose election fail, but, an election in Santa Clara failed as well.
So, basically at this point, they are holding the area hostage despite the fact that they don't need it and that twice in elections, the area refused to pay for stadiums for them.

And what ticks me off also, is that, the A's never went out of their way to try and make the Giants leave town back in the 80's and early 90's.  They never came out and said, as McGowan has, that the A's would have been better off without the Giants.  They never quoted market surveys as to how much revenue the A's would have lost from the South Bay market if the Giants had moved there.  But, that is what the Giants are doing.

I never laughed so hard as I did when Glaus hit that 2 run double to take the lead in Game 6.  He is my lifelong hero.

by joses bathroom buddy on Feb 7, 2006 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Jealousy
I'm jealous of the media coverage they get. And it's not just the volume of coverage, though that bugs me too. No local team gets more love, yet has done less to deserve it than the Giants. That team can do no wrong around here. Not even the 49ers are handled with such kid gloves and they've brought home 5 Super Bowl trophies. Even the frikken Warriors have won it all. The Giants? Zippo. Yet the Giants are always worshipped on every local broadcast and in every local paper. They don't even try to be impartial with that team.

I'm also jealous of their stadium. Say what you will about corporate fans, etc, but that thing is a jewel. And it's mostly packed, although that could change in the years ahead. I wish the A's had a better park in a better location that was full every night.

However, when it comes to the team on the field and the people building that team, it's no contest. The A's are superior in every non-HGH-induced way.

by peanut gallery on Feb 7, 2006 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

I think the number one (and two) reason
that I hate the Gnats is/are Kurkow and Kuiper. Especially Krukow. I cant stand that guy. He is the biggest homer that I've ever heard and he is a freaking dork with all of his little catch phrases. He even has a commercial here in Monterey for some golf shop and he's annoying as hell in that too. I'm starting to see Tom Tolbert mutate into Krukow part two.
Lou Brock was a great base stealer, but today, I am the greatest! - Rickey Henderson

by haren4prez on Feb 7, 2006 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

I actually like Duane Kuiper
But Krukow?  GAH!  Totally agree with you, there.
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Hate those Commericals, too
Macha is a great manager. -Ron Washington

by pachydermOAFC on Feb 7, 2006 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That erasing people thing ...
last year was so corny and they kept it on and on and on! Hey Kruk Eliminate me. Bring on the porcelain God.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 7, 2006 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Kruk & Kuip
Maybe I'm alone here, but I think they're the most entertaining broadcasting team I've heard.  No, they're not the very best broadcasters out there, but they have the best team chemistry of any duo I've encountered.  Maybe they would annoy me if I hated the Giants and only had to listen to them when they played the A's, but as a Giants fan, I think they're great.  And that's fine.

by ragnarok on Feb 7, 2006 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Ditto
I think they're entertaining, but then again, I'm very easily amused.  
"Baseball is reassuring. It makes me feel as if the world is not going to blow up." -Sharon Olds

by AsGirl on Feb 7, 2006 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. It's not just entertainment...
it's "infotainment"!
"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Feb 7, 2006 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Entertaining?
Kruk and Kuip are entertaining in the same way that the Ed Wood classic, Plan 9 From Outer Space, is entertaining. It is so gawd-awful bad that it seems good. an accidental comedy.

by conniemack on Feb 8, 2006 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Giants
The Giants are my second favorite team, and I'm quite a Bonds fan.  There's no one I'd rather watch bat.

I'd say there's less of a rivalry between the A's and Giants relative to the other intra-market rivalries (NYC, CHI, LA).  It also seems that A's fans care a lot more about the Giants than vice versa (which is also true of the White Sox, Mets, and Angels fans with ther respective rivals).  I guess it's natural as the second fiddle in media coverage...

by Danny on Feb 7, 2006 2:25 PM PST reply actions  

probably because..
most Giant fans think OPS is some venereal disease around the league, while sipping on their champagne or what not.

In essence, I dislike the Giant's because of their arrogance. It starts up top with McGowan, who vehemently protests his supposed South Bay territorial rights, to the all omnipotent weiner Bonds, down to their sportscasters on KNBR (Razor, Bruce McGowen, etc.). They are a classless organization that hasn't won or done anything in the Bay Area.

OTOH, you have the A's, the underdogs of not only the Bay Area but all of Baseball, who's former owner Walter Haas (God Bless) bought and retained the A's as a philanthropic act for the community of Oakland and Sandy Alderson developed it into the modern Moneyball era it is now. From top to bottom, the A's organization is about youth, community, and fun, where as the Giant's, in the immortal words of former Giants broadcaster Larry Krueger said, "are an old decripity team".

I've always felt that the A's were MY team with a bunch of friends (Hunter, Stewart, McGwire, Giambi, etc.), where as the Giants were just another form of entertainment with a bunch of old pros.

Billy Beane: "....it's way cooler to be an a's fan". Larry Kreuger: "....but i like our old decripity eroding worse tomorrow then they are today team"

by ST on Feb 7, 2006 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i hate em for...
pretty much everything that was said down there... and because i just dont like em...

by TrizzleNizzle510 on Feb 7, 2006 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Basically all I hear
is the Giants are making it this year, watch out for Bonds, bandwagoners, and they only get loud till there team scores unlike A's fans who are very rowdy.
The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.-W. M. Lewis

by doublehustle22 on Feb 7, 2006 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

Right on
One of my biggest issues against the Giants is how they can't play at a consistant level.  They pump twice as many $ in as Oakland yet they still can't make the playoffs in the weakest division?  Please.

I've tried to like the Giants, I really have.  I'd never cheer for them like I do the A's, but they've had a chance to interest me and it hasn't happened.  They play sloppy, have asshole players, can't win and have some of the most horrendously fairweather fans I've ever seen.

To sum it up: when I goto Oakland I'm in a lackluster stadium for a great game.  When I'm in SF I'm in a great stadium for a lackluster game (unless the A's are there).

by Jernskogen on Feb 10, 2006 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

A's fans have heart
and that scares the Giants, they think were idiots and losers while the Giants are like IBM to our DELL or Microsoft .

They just flat out don't respect our philosophy, our colors, our players, but they think we should bow down to all their old decrepid players they wheel out there.

Giants are Ginats like Goliath while the A's play the role of David constantly slaying the giant.

I loved it when we beat the snot out of them last year 16-0. I went with this guy who is a giants fan and he left after the third inning, almost all of the giats fans did. It was awesome.

"Trust me there are No Angels on our team" - Ken Macha

by BashBrothers89 on Feb 7, 2006 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

last season
they beat them 28-0 as well
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

"Dell"?
You mean "Intel's Bitch"?

Yeah, I thought so.

"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Feb 7, 2006 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This season
The Giants are not going to make the Playoffs again, and they play in the worst league in baseball. Maybe they added pitching, but I really perdict bonds to fall off.... I think he will break the babes record, but he is way too far away from Hank.. His Knee wont hold up as long as he has to play defense. If he breaks the all time home run record he will do it in the A.L. Hopefully not as a Bleepin Angel....
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Living in the Sacramento region,
I don't have anything against the Giants, except for the media bias.  That drives me crazy.  My sister says I'm being paranoid, but I swear, the Giants always get the front page story in the Bee while the A's articles (from the wire) are buried on page 5.  Plus, the Bonds factor.  They're always a bigger story.  
And yeah, KMAX drives me crazy, but if I take off my green and gold glasses, I can't blame them for carrying more Giants games if they get higher ratings here.  :-/

I think a lot of the dislike is caused by fans.  I'm not surrounded by many Giants (or even baseball) fans on a daily basis, so there's not much "rubbing it in their/our faces" going on.  I guess if I lived in the Bay Area or had to listen to a lot of B.S. from Giants fans every day, it would be different, but I haven't experienced it.  

And I don't get any pleasure rooting against the Giants.  I get a certain sense of satisfaction watching the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels lose, but I don't get that while watching the Giants games.  <Shrugs>
And I do watch/listen to a lot of Giants games.  I just don't root against them.  

"Baseball is reassuring. It makes me feel as if the world is not going to blow up." -Sharon Olds

by AsGirl on Feb 7, 2006 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

except
for the fact that boston is going to suck this year... finish third behind New York, and the Blue Jays... then comes Tampa bay, and The O's finish last.... thats what I see happening.
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I Don't Really Like the D*mn City
That's my reason.  I'm remember Willie Mays playing, so I liked the Giants as a kid.  Candlesuck sucked with the lame chain link fence in the outfield ha ha.

The ballpark is sweet, I give them that, but the seats stink in the upper decks.  Best to get a cheap ticket to anywhere, and when the As or anyone else is spanking them, move down to the lower level (very very nice angle and view to the seating) when the Suppies (San Francisco Yuppies) leave in their high-pitched impotent white rage to prance home to gnocchi and a rerun of Will & Grace.

Back to the city.  SF is a sh*t city with a few diamonds and pearls mixed in.  But it's mostly ugly, rude, aggressive and hard-nosed (compared murder rates between SF and Oaktown in recent years?), yet obnoxiously, hypocritically and uncomprehendingly self-satisfied.  It's decadent, meaning it is failing and fading, not continuing or improving.  Walk the downtown and you'll fall over from the stench of a failing sewer and drainage system.  The streets are besotted with failed idealists (also known as panhandlers and drunks) whose vision was too bizarre even for the patent-leather shoe, spritzer-sipping, piss-Christ-viewing crowd of imported Eastern liberal school grads who squat on their haunches reading free weekly papers trying to find a bed-sit on their waitress-at-the-Stinking-Rose-with-a-side-job-as-a-nude-model-for-night-school-art-student salaries.

And remember, aged AN readers, even the Grateful Dead preferred Oakland for their New Years Eve concerts.

Once you're done dragging yourself up Snob Hill or crab-walking through Castro, ain't no other place in town to hear an articulate sentence or tri-syllable words.

Even Chinatown (really the best place in the city) pales in comparison to Oakland's Asian gourmet cooks.

The best thing about "Frisco" (who cares who gets mad about that name?) is its ideal and what it represents to people who flee worse in the USA.  The worst thing is the city's reality and the generations of Okie bums and losers who screwed and continue to screw it up.

Reputation be d*mned -- the East Bay is a far better place to be, from climate to a healthy mix of ethnicities to -- need I say it -- better baseball.  That's a secret, and it ain't dirty.  You gotta wonder, would it be better or worse if the secret got let out?

by Dan_Honolulu on Feb 7, 2006 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

I like reruns of Will & Grace,
but I don't care that much for gnocci. Does that mean I'm bisexual?

by Nico on Feb 7, 2006 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I took the time to log in
just to nominate this as the funniest reply to a comment in the storied history of AN
1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Feb 7, 2006 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You might be metrosexual
And it's the Giants' fault.  And failed Okies or whatever the hell that was about... LOL
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Our cover is blown, I'm afraid
Few with more vision than wallet can pay the SF freight these days, so they looked East.  Can't blame 'em.  Nice post.
They're not booing...they're saying Leeewwwwwww!

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2006 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

wow! thats quite a rant dan
got nothin against the city. I even like to hang out in the Mission when I'm in town. Don't care for the baseball team though.
Lou Brock was a great base stealer, but today, I am the greatest! - Rickey Henderson

by haren4prez on Feb 11, 2006 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I live in Oakland
and been an A's fan for my entire life, my 2nd fav team if i had one would be the Giants. It's only when the A's play the giants when I start to dislike them, I can't stand losing to the Giants, other then that I always rout for them. and If the A's ever moved I would be a giants fan as quick as you can say jimmy jam.
"Macha's importance rates somewhere below Street's and above Ginter's" -FreeSeatUpgrade

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Feb 7, 2006 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

gWiLiKeRzZz
you have no sense of loyalty.

If the A's moved i would still root for them. it would hurt me a lot since it is the only team i root for but i love them to death and couldn't see myself rooting for any other team especially not the Giants.

I will be a fan no matter where they move to,Fremont, San Jose, Vegas ,or Mars.

"Trust me there are No Angels on our team" - Ken Macha

by BashBrothers89 on Feb 7, 2006 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Don't be so quick to judge
If the A's move thousands of miles away and we didn't get any TV or radio coverage, you're telling me you'd still be a fan in 20 years, when all the familiar players have gone?

I support the local teams, and I love the A's far and away as my #1 team, but if I can't watch or listen to them regularly, I can't promise my loyalty to a team that's not loyal to my home (The Bay Area). I can't say for sure what I'd do if the A's move away, but like the Raiders, I suspect they'd lose my support over the years.

"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Feb 8, 2006 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

trying to stay away from this discussion...
because I hate the giants with a passion.  Always have, always will. My hatred for the team is so strong that I know all their players, scrutinize every trade they make, and relish watching them lose on tv.  I have never seen the giants beat the A's in interleague, and I was lucky enough to see one of the greatest games, the Olmedo Saenz walkoff HR off Robb Nen.  I'll never forget this bitter giants fan flipping me and my friends off after the HR and storming off dragging his kid behind.  Walking out of the Coliseum with all the A's fans cheering & celebrating, it was like we won the world series.  Just awesome.  I cant help but smile everytime I think about that game.

I hate the giants for all the reasons mentioned about media bias etc, but more the reasons mentioned by Dan.  

No matter what the A's do, all you get is giants, giants, giants.  When I was in college and listened to A's games on ESPN radio, I can remember a couple times listening to the A's...the game going into the bottom of the 9th inning, down by a run...only to get broken up by..."We interrupt this program to bring you the giants PRE-GAME show."  What kind of shit is that?

I have always felt that the giants and their fans look down upon both the A's, and the east bay.  In fact I dated a girl whose family are typical giants fans ("root" for the team, but dont even know the players).  Her aunt came over to my house and saw and A's pennant, and said, "your not an A's fan are you?".  When I said of course I am, she said "I thought you had class".  She was kidding of course, but it still pissed me off.

I'm not suprised so many people on AN dont hate the giants, reasons like mine dont make sense unless you grew up here.

   

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Feb 7, 2006 10:33 PM PST reply actions  

Giants
To all you who do not despise the Giants: if the A's leave the Bay Area because the Giants evoke some territorial right to keep the A's from moving to the South Bay (which by the way is further from San Francisco than Oakland) I bet your feelings would change drastically. And it's not at all a stretch of the imagination to beleive that the Giants actively would like their local competition to leave the area.

by Norcalvb on Feb 7, 2006 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

This spring is going to be really hard for me...
...because I'm a pretty hard core hater.  Don't know if it's karmic justice or what, but my son will be playing on the Giants (Little League) this year.  I think I'm probably going to break out in hives the day he gets his uniform.
"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on Feb 8, 2006 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

Could be worse
My neighbors' kids' little league team had to wear Red Sox uniforms a couple years back. Bet they got multiple swirlies at school...
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Feb 8, 2006 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

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