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Which play-off exit was most painful and why?

This diary is not about statistical analysis or first colossal dogs; it's about catharsis and commiseration. I hope that it is also about the end of an era and the beginning of a new one.

I want to talk about the early play-off exits of 2000-2003. Since 2000 I've spent my off-seasons obsessing over the why's and hypothesizing about the what if's. This off-season has been different and I believe that next year's will be even better -- our days of game 5 defeats are behind us and the strength of this year's team merits the end of our bitching about the fact that the big three never got us out of the first round of the play-offs -- but those first round exits continue to haunt me. In an attempt to get them out of my system, I'd like to enter a dialogue about the frustration and emotional pain of the 2000-2003 play-offs.

I hope that this poll will be a good way to start.

*The seeds for this diary were planted by the discussions generated by and Nick86 (http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/1/26/17337/4320) and Dynamic Hispanic (http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/2/6/19451/11496)

Poll
Which play-off exit was most painful for you?
2000 (Zito forces game 5, Heredia can't get out of the first inning)
2 votes
2001 (The Jeter Play)
53 votes
2002 (Hudson pitches hurt, defense doesn't help)
7 votes
2003 (Basepath Bungles in Game 3)
73 votes

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The Twins series...
We were clearly the better team, and It was different from the 00/01 playoff forays against the big bad yankees, when we were still just happy to be there.  It was the twinkies for christ sake!!!

I seem to remember some questionable managing decisions by Howe (Hudson starting game 3), bringing in Lilly (i think) in game 1, etc...

by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

the twins
Bean came out later and said that he insisted on Hudson starting game 1 and Lilly being the first guy out of the bullpen. I don't think Howe was to blame.

I think we lost this one because Hudson pitched hurt, and because our defense gave back the lead that the Twins spotted us in game 1.

For me this one hurt a ton because we were clearly the favorites. We had the Cy Young and the MVP. We had two excellent left-handed starters and the Twins couldn't hit left-handed pitching. We were dominant.

But I'm not sure this was the most painful...

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Heredia
I felt so sorry for him.
Gene Nelson and I have the same barber!

by beta103 on Feb 8, 2006 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
SOMEBODY STOP THE PAIN!
Knowledge is Power, Ignorance is Bliss. But I have Blissful Power, because I have a lot of knowledge, I just forgot it all!

by Zonis on Feb 7, 2006 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

Oh-Two
The first two were plenty disappointing, but that was the Yankees with their trillion dollar budget. The Twins had no business beating the A's in the 2002 series. I sat in an otherwise empty Coliseum parking lot for a long time after that one. By the time they just handed the series to Boston in 2003, I expected it. It wasn't so disappointing by that time.

by peanut gallery on Feb 7, 2006 4:59 PM PST reply actions  

agony of defeat or resignation of inferiority?
"By the time they just handed the series to Boston in 2003, I expected it"

oooh, that hurts... is it worse to be shocked by an unexpected defeat or to lower expectations such that you expect future failure?

Don't belittle the pain of 2003.  Game three was especially painful, but we failed to keep leads in games four and five. 2003 may have been the most winnable series the way it played out. That may not make it the most painful, but was it really easier to swallow than 2002?

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't belittle 2003 at all
2003 sucked plenty -- all of them did -- but after the just ridiculous series of events that cost us game three and the sweep, I fully expected to lose the series. By the time it was over I was numb to it. Whereas game five of 2002 was a shot to the jewels and burned in me for a very long time.

by peanut gallery on Feb 8, 2006 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

2002 vs 2003
I guess when I reflect on 2002, I focus on the fact that huddy was hurt and totally ineffective. True, we had a big lead in game 1, but basically if you send a hurt starter out there for 2 of 5 games, your chances of winning are really bad. So while game 1 was by far the ugliest, I think game 5 was the only one that I'd call painful, at least in retrospect.

2003 is a totally different story for me. We had every single one of those games won, which makes all three of the losses very, very, very tough.

And yes, of course, they all sucked.

Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...
I too fully expected an implosion in 03, it just seemed inevitable.  If our first round opponent this year is the Royals i'd expect a walk off jack from Mark Teahen or something in game 5...

In a way I'm like Beane, in that I sometimes can't even bear to watch the games.  I don't think I watched any of our game 5's in more than snippets except for 00', I just couldn't stomach it...

by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed....the second game 3 was over in 03
I knew we were finished.  Even when Foulke came in with the lead...just seemed like fate
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

"it just seemed inevitable"
For real, at what point did it seem inevitable? A good friend said the same thing as soon as they went up 2-0, as if that was just part of the deal. To me that's sad, and perhaps makes 2003 the most painful because so many people assumed it was coming.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

well...
IN 02' I fervently believed we were the best team in baseball.  I still say we would have gone on to be world champs if not for the Twinkie series.  I was just so sure we would do great things that year...

Boston was a solid team in 03, taking the Yankees to the brink.  It couldn't be called an embarassment to lose to those guys.  Meanwhile, Minnesota would have come in a distant third in the west in 02, so losing to Pierzynski and co. was more painful...

by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a hard time choosing...
...between 2001 and 2003. I went with 2003 because basepath focus is something that is drilled into players as far back as Little League, and Byrnes & Tejada just put on an amazing display of boneheadedness there...

Of course, it was also pretty boneheaded of Jeremy to apparently be thinking, "I'll make it standing, I'm sure Jeter isn't going to appear out of nowhere and make a ridiculous play..."

"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Slide Jeremy Slide!!!!!
even today I yell that when I watch that clip, that is always on pro Jeter shows that show how "great" he is... I was so pissed when that happend, and Zito pitched a hell of a game...Damm you Giambi Brothers!!!!!!!
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh God!!
I was there and remember it like it was yesterday. It was such a great game to watch. Even my wife who goes to very few games with me was screaming for Jeremy to slide. Who really knows if that would have been the difference, but man that is a painful game (and series) to remember.

by WannaBeGM on Feb 7, 2006 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Gibson vs. Jeter
Which one was worse?
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Gibson...
  1. It was against Eckersley - ouch!
  2. Eckersley walked (yes he WALKED someone) Mike Davis before facing Gibson. Mike Davis was such a NOBODY who played most of his years with the A's. He was always supposed to have a breakout year and it never happened. Certainly his biggest claim to fame is being walked by Eck ahead of Gibson on that fateful evening.
  3. We had to face Orel Hershiser the following day and 1988 was Orel's big season (streak of 59 scoreless innings). It was so easy to see us down 2-0 in the series, and we should have been crushing the Dodgers.
Dammit - who started this diary?!!
"I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care." -Dave Barry

by tmail on Feb 7, 2006 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeter
For me Jeter was worse primarily because of the resignation it instilled.

They're very similar because in both cases they are individual plays that should have only impacted individual games, but somehow they both cast clouds over the rest of the series. However, the impact of Jeter was greater.

  • after Gibson, we still filled the coliseum for games 3, 4, and 5. after Jeter, we stayed home (attendance for game 3: 55K, game 4: 43K). To me that's 12K people that felt like we were going to lose the whole thing just because Jeter makes one great play. This resignation pisses me off so much. I was in Spain, listening to all those games on mlb.com in the middle of the night (first pitch 3am maybe?) by myself. Knowing that there were over 10K tickets available for game 4 made me sick.
  • after Gibson we came back the next year and won the whole thing. After Jeter, based on the comments made in this thread, we lowered our expectations for the twins, and began rationalizing losing to the yankees and expecting to lose to the sox.
From a baseball stance, Gibson was a much more spectacular moment, worthy of all the attention it gets. But emotionally, Jeter turned us into a bunch of excuse producing cry-babies. Now that's pain.

btw... i'm the jerk who started this diary, which happens to be my first. are we having fun yet?

Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 2:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's Not Forget 1990
As long as we're talking that era of A's teams, there's just no way we should have lost to Cincinnati.

Though no single moment was painful like Eck and Gibson, 1990 was the series we simply had no business losing.  Hershiser was simply not going to be beaten in 1988, so we had virtually no margin of error. Once we blew game 1, it was virtually over.  But the A's were far and away the better team in 1990.  

And as painful as the 2000-2003 playoff losses were, it's worse in a World Series.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 8, 2006 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it?
Hmm... this may be fodder for a new self-inflicted-pain diary.

Is it worse to lose the world series than the first round?

When you lose the world series, at least you made it. Sure, it would've been great to win the series in 88 and 90, but regardless we know that we were the best team in the AL for 3 years straight. Better than the yanks, who sucked back then. Better than the sox, who we got to humiliate in the play-offs twice during that span.

Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 9, 2006 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I think you're on to something
There's something very ill about losing two series in which we were up 2-0 and lost as the result of oddities on the paths in game 3.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Why don't I
just scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon?  It would be less painful.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Feb 7, 2006 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

I find that a melon-baller works well on eyeballs
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No.
Just use an eye-baller.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Feb 7, 2006 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...
This Eyeballer could cause permanent blindness...
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't that the fabric pattern for ...
... the next A's "jerseys of the future" day?
"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2006 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

designed by Barry Zito
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Feb 7, 2006 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

if you use it on a skin tumor, it's a ...
... melanoma-baller!
"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2006 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

<pulls Sharpie out of sock>
<signs tumor for fan>
"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2006 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

two fans fought over the tumor ...
... and a judge made them cut it in half ...

... Later, a woman from San Jose falsely claimed that she found one half of the tumor in her bowl of Wendy's chili.

"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 8, 2006 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

now that's funny!
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The worst thought for me
was 2003, because when we won game one with the walk off bunt, I "knew" that it was our year, and we could have gotten past the Yankees and the Marilins that season I believe. I remember game 5 was on my 23rd birthday,and I just moved back to california after being in the navy,  so my buddies bought me a bottle of Jagermeister, and I was just drunk and pissed when Oakland lots. I remember when Tim Hudson came out of the game I knew it was the end... but I was drunk and hella stoned as well(I still smoked weed at the time) So I kept thinking that we could pull it off, when deep down I knew that we wouldnt. After the game ended, I was walking home with my girlfriend at the time, and I was so pissed off, I kicked out the windows of some random car with a red sox sticker on it, and cut the hell out of my leg. My girl was so mad she didnt have sex with me for a week...
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

now that's pain
this is the stuff i'm talking about. let it out. let it go. a new future awaits us.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Didnt Zito pitch game 5 in 2003?
On 3 days rest....pitched well til the Manny homers?
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Varitek
took barry deep earlier in the inning

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

well Hudson
Started game 5, then came out cause he was injured
Bring back the Bash! Bring back the Mustache! Go A's in 2006!!!
Death To The Angels!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 7, 2006 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That was game 4.
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope, Hudson came out in Boston
and Sparks came in....Game 4.

Zito started Game 5 on 3 days rest

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

2003 definitely
especially since I was there for all the home games...and was screaming at the tv for game 3 in Boston (not too pleased watching game 4 either).

by OaklandSi on Feb 7, 2006 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

clearly the worst one was...
eric byrnes' huge brain fart

by Suck My Moneyballs on Feb 7, 2006 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

does anybody remember
who was on deck when byrnes failed to touch the plate? that guy deserves a big pìece of the blame in my opinion.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

i think...
everybody and their momma was shouting at byrnsie's retard ass to touch home plate...but byrnes being the 'tard that he is...didn't

by Suck My Moneyballs on Feb 7, 2006 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

responsiblity of the on-deck hitter
that same year, in one of the marlins victories, there was a close play at the plate. The runner came in, made an acrobatic slide in which he switched hands midway to score, and the on-deck hitter (might have been pudge) was standing right over the plate the whole time, screaming instructions. he was in the game.

in all replays i've seen of the byrnes play, there is no on-deck hitter to be found. the on-deck hitter basically becomes the homeplate coach once the ball goes into play. ours didn't do his job on this play.

i'm not saying that byrnes isn't an idiot for not touching the plate, but the on-deck guy should have had a better view of the play and been close enough to kick byrnes' ass all the way to home plate.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, why would you ruin everyone's day?
I would say the Minnesota series, then the Boston series.  I think the A's win the World Series in 02 if they beat Minnesota in game 4 or 5.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

I think it's good for us
or at least it's good for me to get this stuff out of my system. i live overseas, and i don't really get to talk a's baseball with anyone, so i've been eating myself up with these issues for years. i'm hoping AN will help me emancipate myself.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

plus
i think the window is closing for bitching about this stuff. even if the 2006 team loses in 5 games in the first round, it will be a different team losing. it may hurt, but it should be a new hurt.

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No way....
If they were to lose in game 5 again...just would be building on the hurt.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't this a little depressing...
Man. The season is about to begin with a solid team and here we are re-living crap that makes you want bang your head into the wall.

Hell. Why don't we all go to MLB.com and download Game-freakin-1 of the 1988 Series and watch that gimp pump his fists around 2nd base for the millionth time.

C'mon...."Your Killin' me Smalls!"

by WannaBeGM on Feb 7, 2006 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

Think of it as a cleansing process
the idea is to get all this crap out of our systems. it's all part of the transition from a team that never met its potential to a new one that just might.
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 7, 2006 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

<flings poo>
Aaahhhhhhhhh! You're right -- that does feel better!
"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 8, 2006 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah 03
That game three was horrible. I mean Ted Lilly couldn't of pitched a better game. And the umps blew that Tejada interference call. Mulder would've been healed up for the next round too, man that was our year.

by CyberFT on Feb 7, 2006 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

im my opinion
the best team the A's ever had..yes EVER was in 2001. with Damon and Dye... we blew it big time that year. HUDDY MULDER ZITO vs Schilling and Johnson would have been historic....but the yankees made it exciting as well
"Macha's importance rates somewhere below Street's and above Ginter's" -FreeSeatUpgrade

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Feb 7, 2006 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

Distinction
2002 was deflating. We were SO much better than Minnesota and to watch the A's lose to the Twins in 5 killed me. Game 4 was a mess and I remember getting this close to driving up the 5 from LA for Game 5. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't. And then to be losing, what, 2-1 all game behind a solid Mulder performance before Billy Koch gave up that 3 run AJ jack ...

Deflating.

And then ... for them to come THIS close to winning it in the bottom of the 9th!!! Oh, Ellis! That's A's baseball of late ... come THIS close and then lose it.

2003 was bad too, but in a more painful way becasue of how close we were so many times. That one hurt. Byrnes, Tejada, Foulke, Zito ...

Yikes. I'm going to go cry now.

by Crosbino on Feb 7, 2006 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

'01
To have one the first 2 in Yankee Stadium and come home to be humiliated not only in the Lidle game, but also the Zito game with the Jeter play. Ugh this is hard to type.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Feb 7, 2006 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

I was there for the Sox series
Oy...
Oy...
Game 5
One bad Zito pitch, had to be to Manny. Had to be.

Why??? No more bad news!!! How many days til Ps and Cs?

"Every time (Curt Schilling) fails, somewhere a sick puppy gets just a little bit better." - Nico

by JLaff on Feb 7, 2006 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

and just for that
'01 was pretty horrible, had Giambi not been running slow I'm sure that play would never be talked about and '03 had to be one of the worst, now every time I see a sports list on ESPN or something for the worst plays in the last 25 years I will probably be reminded of these, (Byrnes just tag the base, that's all you had to do).
The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.-W. M. Lewis

by doublehustle22 on Feb 7, 2006 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

God i thought we had that Boston series
I was in London for all the games working at a the Sports Cafe. It was me and this girl along with 100 Sox fans. Not only did i get shit from all these dumb ass Sox fans but i talked it up when we were up 2-0, 2-1...... and i ate my words.........

by Spidz34 on Feb 7, 2006 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

painful!
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 with no more hex in 2006.

by ak_A on Feb 7, 2006 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

This thread is DEPRESSING!
"Baseball is reassuring. It makes me feel as if the world is not going to blow up." -Sharon Olds

by AsGirl on Feb 7, 2006 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

I was proud
of the team in '00 -- young, up and coming, and just a little overmatched vs. NY.  No big deal.
I was stunned and disappointed in '01.  Up 2-0 and coming home to Oakland. Then disaster. Still hard to believe. I couldn't believe we didn't pinch-run, I couldn't believe he didn't slide, and to top it off ..... I thought he was safe anyway.
I was probably the angriest in '02. Total choke job. They started thinking about "last year" when they got up 2-1, and totally threw up on themselves in game 4 in Min.  Then totally played "not to lose" in Game 5 in Oak. What a joke. They were scared to death. Everyone blames Koch .... they hadn't done anything up until that point (a Durham solo HR) and weren't going to do anything, either. This is no slam on Ellis, but a lot easier to hit a three-run bomb when you're down 4, and the pressure's off.  Nope, not Koch's fault. Total team "effort," if you can call it that.
Probably the most depressed and defeated though, in '03. Another "three games to win one" disaster. Tough to swallow. Byrnes, Tejada, Hudson, Foulke, name your goat. Biggest blunder? Pinch-hitting for your number 1 RBI man in the 9th inning of Game 5. Brilliant.
VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Feb 7, 2006 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

It's close, but I say 2003
2000 isn't a candidate.  The A's were heavy underdogs, and made it very close.

2001 is awful, because it was the best A's team during the four year playoff run.  And there's the whole 2-0 lead, Jeter, et cetera.  I was there for Game 4, and that was brutal.  The only point I would make about Game 3 is that Jeremy Giambi's run, if it had scored, would not have put the A's in front.  The game would have been tied.  Mussina was dealing, with a deep bullpen and Rivera on call.  That would have been a difficult game to win anyway, in what would turn out to be that Yankee team's last hurrah.

2002 was depressing for different reasons.  First, it's only the only series of the four in which the A's were clearly the better team, so that makes it painful.  Tim Hudson couldn't pitch, but started twice.  Zito won the Cy Young that year, and started once.  I was there for Game Five, on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, in a half-empty third deck (the best argument in history for the stupid tarp).  And I never had a good feeling about that game.  Everything about it felt wrong, off.  My first reaction, watching Mark Ellis' home run soar into the bleachers, was bitter:  "Great, now we're going to lose by one run."

You can argue that 2003 wasn't as bad as 2002, because Boston had more talent on a team that won the World Series the next year.  The A's were on the down escalator.  But 2003 was the worst, in part because of what came before, and in part because the series was given away after another 2-0 lead.  A great Yankee team came back and took the 2001 series.  The A's gave away the 2003 series, with bonehead move after bonehead move.  Byrnes, Tejada, Macha pinch-hitting for Dye, Hudson's brawl and subsequent inability to pitch into the second inning, Foulke blowing the save, Terrence Long ending the game as we all knew he would.

It's all subjective, but 2003 was the worst for me.

by bear88 on Feb 7, 2006 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

1988 abd 1990
Agreed both years were LATE playoff exits, but exits, nevertheless.  And they were so painful since in neither year were either the Dodgers or the Reds a surperior team.  In my mind it should have been another 3pete of the 1972-74 era.

by robertmelvin on Feb 7, 2006 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

resignation
excuse the psycho-babble, but i think we're starting to uncover some of our collective emotional baggage. there is so much resignation being expressed in this thread that we sound almost fatalistic.

"I fully expected an implosion in 03, it just seemed inevitable.  If our first round opponent this year is the Royals i'd expect a walk off jack from Mark Teahen or something in game 5..."

"the second game 3 was over in 03 I knew we were finished."

"The first two were plenty disappointing, but that was the Yankees with their trillion dollar budget."

"Boston was a solid team in 03, taking the Yankees to the brink.  It couldn't be called an embarassment to lose to those guys."

I can almost hear the old "a five game series is a crapshoot anyway" coming around the bend.

Why do we expect to lose? Why is it okay to lose to the Yankees and the Redsox? You think NY fans expected to lose when they were down 0-2? What about sox fans? I don't think so. I suspect that they expected to win the same way that many of us are saying that we expected to lose. And all the comments about "we should have beaten the twins" further reflect the lowered expectations of our fanbase.

It's time to excorcise these demons and start envisioning a better future. That's what I'm hoping to do anyway. As this new A's team moves forward, how about if we surround it with an attitude, or even an aura, of arrogance, not acceptance.

Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

if they made a nodding-head giveaway doll ...
... in Steve Lyons' likeness, would it be a Psycho-bobblehead?
"Yay for drug adventures!" -- HollywoodOz @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 8, 2006 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Reading this thread
Is like open gut surgery.  There's rarely anything pleasant about ...

reliving past pain
ripping a bandage off a deep wound
being given a glimmer or more of hope (2-0 playoff leads, ellis homer), and having it snatched away

by Rickeyfan on Feb 8, 2006 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Did any of you feel the same away about Aces?
I enjoyed the biographical aspects, but found that baseball-wise it was basically like reliving all the blown saves, walk-off balks, errors, and wild pitches, and other horrid ways of losing close games.
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The Jeter Play
Can we all say with 100% certainty that Giambi was actually out?  I don't think we can.  I think that call can go either way, so I wouldn't blame that one completley on our playoff blundering.

by fadedash on Feb 8, 2006 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

All of them hurt
but i think of '03 the most, mainly because it is still fresh on my mind like it happened yesterday.

We had a chance to win everyone one of the last 3 games and we blew it especially in games 3 & 4.
Game 4 hurt because JD hit that 2 run jack over the green monster that gave us a 2 run lead.

Damn you Foulke for not being able to freakin close a game for us but he could do it just fine the next year for the Sox.

"Trust me there are No Angels on our team" - Ken Macha

by BashBrothers89 on Feb 8, 2006 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

We should have one all of them
 that aside from 2000 where I was just happy we were in the playoffs we should have beaten everyone of those teams.

Hopefully 2006 will provide the closure we all need. If we get a ring this year i will all but forget all those horrible playoff loses and the last 2 seasons that have ended at the hands of the Angels.

"Who wouldn't look great wearing Green and Gold?"- Ray Fosse

by OakAs33 on Feb 8, 2006 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

That's the spirit I'm looking for!
Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 8, 2006 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

2003
2003. I was so positive after game 1 because we won by playing small ball (Ramon's bunt). BTW It was after 3AM in the East! Game 2 only solidified my feelings.  Then in a span of a couple of innings I knew we were going to lose. What torture those plays were. (Ted Lilly was awesome. If the A's had won he would have been a hero. He will always have a soft spot in my heart for that pitching performance.)

However, after watching Hudson blow them away in the first inning of Game 4 I got my hopes up again. All we needed to do was score a couple of runs and Huddy would shut them down. I remember the family room and especially the remote took quite a beating when they came back from the commercial break.

So I was again sure we were going to lose the series and felt that way until that 9th inning of Game 5. Runners on 2nd and 3rd and only one out. A simple single and we win the series. Ugh!!!

 we were going to win the series after

by Larry E on Feb 8, 2006 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Gee, I was feeling a little down
here with the long Alaskan winter....then I read this.  Fortunately there was not enough rx and non rx pills in the medicine cabinet to do the complete job and I came to the morning.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005 with no more hex in 2006.

by ak_A on Feb 9, 2006 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for playing along
Seeing as this diary is no longer recent nor recommended, I assume the discussion is over (or almost over). I finally voted -- my vote was for 2001 because I was so hurt by the attendance drop-off after the jeter play, but 2003 was also very very painful for me.

Anyway, it may sound strange, but I enjoyed this conversation a lot. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I live overseas and don't get to talk much baseball. I've been replaying all this horror in my mind for years and needed an outlet for sharing and comiserating. I'm glad that AN was here for me.

Finally, I want to add that AN is an amazing and thriving community. This was my first diary, and initially I didn't even know if people would read it, let alone complete the poll and share their thoughts. I was ecstatic to find that within minutes of posting this thing there were numerous comments. I posted at about 2am my time (I was watching the caribbean series on mlb.com by myself in the dark, feeling alone and missing home) and the fact that comments came pouring in suddenly made me feel not alone, but totally connected to a strong community that accepts me and shares many of my passions and pains. It's a good feeling.

Oakland, you know I go way back. -- Too Short

by mendelbob on Feb 9, 2006 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

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