Which play-off exit was most painful and why?
This diary is not about statistical analysis or first colossal dogs; it's about catharsis and commiseration. I hope that it is also about the end of an era and the beginning of a new one.
I want to talk about the early play-off exits of 2000-2003. Since 2000 I've spent my off-seasons obsessing over the why's and hypothesizing about the what if's. This off-season has been different and I believe that next year's will be even better -- our days of game 5 defeats are behind us and the strength of this year's team merits the end of our bitching about the fact that the big three never got us out of the first round of the play-offs -- but those first round exits continue to haunt me. In an attempt to get them out of my system, I'd like to enter a dialogue about the frustration and emotional pain of the 2000-2003 play-offs.
I hope that this poll will be a good way to start.
*The seeds for this diary were planted by the discussions generated by and Nick86 (http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/1/26/17337/4320) and Dynamic Hispanic (http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/2/6/19451/11496)
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The Twins series...
I seem to remember some questionable managing decisions by Howe (Hudson starting game 3), bringing in Lilly (i think) in game 1, etc...
by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 4:32 PM PST reply actions
the twins
I think we lost this one because Hudson pitched hurt, and because our defense gave back the lead that the Twins spotted us in game 1.
For me this one hurt a ton because we were clearly the favorites. We had the Cy Young and the MVP. We had two excellent left-handed starters and the Twins couldn't hit left-handed pitching. We were dominant.
But I'm not sure this was the most painful...
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
Oh-Two
agony of defeat or resignation of inferiority?
oooh, that hurts... is it worse to be shocked by an unexpected defeat or to lower expectations such that you expect future failure?
Don't belittle the pain of 2003. Game three was especially painful, but we failed to keep leads in games four and five. 2003 may have been the most winnable series the way it played out. That may not make it the most painful, but was it really easier to swallow than 2002?
I don't belittle 2003 at all
by peanut gallery on Feb 8, 2006 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
2002 vs 2003
2003 is a totally different story for me. We had every single one of those games won, which makes all three of the losses very, very, very tough.
And yes, of course, they all sucked.
Yeah...
In a way I'm like Beane, in that I sometimes can't even bear to watch the games. I don't think I watched any of our game 5's in more than snippets except for 00', I just couldn't stomach it...
by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed....the second game 3 was over in 03
"it just seemed inevitable"
well...
Boston was a solid team in 03, taking the Yankees to the brink. It couldn't be called an embarassment to lose to those guys. Meanwhile, Minnesota would have come in a distant third in the west in 02, so losing to Pierzynski and co. was more painful...
by Little Rickey on Feb 7, 2006 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
I had a hard time choosing...
Of course, it was also pretty boneheaded of Jeremy to apparently be thinking, "I'll make it standing, I'm sure Jeter isn't going to appear out of nowhere and make a ridiculous play..."
Slide Jeremy Slide!!!!!
Oh God!!
Gibson...
- It was against Eckersley - ouch!
- Eckersley walked (yes he WALKED someone) Mike Davis before facing Gibson. Mike Davis was such a NOBODY who played most of his years with the A's. He was always supposed to have a breakout year and it never happened. Certainly his biggest claim to fame is being walked by Eck ahead of Gibson on that fateful evening.
- We had to face Orel Hershiser the following day and 1988 was Orel's big season (streak of 59 scoreless innings). It was so easy to see us down 2-0 in the series, and we should have been crushing the Dodgers.
by tmail on Feb 7, 2006 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jeter
They're very similar because in both cases they are individual plays that should have only impacted individual games, but somehow they both cast clouds over the rest of the series. However, the impact of Jeter was greater.
- after Gibson, we still filled the coliseum for games 3, 4, and 5. after Jeter, we stayed home (attendance for game 3: 55K, game 4: 43K). To me that's 12K people that felt like we were going to lose the whole thing just because Jeter makes one great play. This resignation pisses me off so much. I was in Spain, listening to all those games on mlb.com in the middle of the night (first pitch 3am maybe?) by myself. Knowing that there were over 10K tickets available for game 4 made me sick.
- after Gibson we came back the next year and won the whole thing. After Jeter, based on the comments made in this thread, we lowered our expectations for the twins, and began rationalizing losing to the yankees and expecting to lose to the sox.
btw... i'm the jerk who started this diary, which happens to be my first. are we having fun yet?
Let's Not Forget 1990
Though no single moment was painful like Eck and Gibson, 1990 was the series we simply had no business losing. Hershiser was simply not going to be beaten in 1988, so we had virtually no margin of error. Once we blew game 1, it was virtually over. But the A's were far and away the better team in 1990.
And as painful as the 2000-2003 playoff losses were, it's worse in a World Series.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 8, 2006 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Is it?
Is it worse to lose the world series than the first round?
When you lose the world series, at least you made it. Sure, it would've been great to win the series in 88 and 90, but regardless we know that we were the best team in the AL for 3 years straight. Better than the yanks, who sucked back then. Better than the sox, who we got to humiliate in the play-offs twice during that span.
Personally, I think you're on to something
Why don't I
I find that a melon-baller works well on eyeballs
yeah...
isn't that the fabric pattern for ...
designed by Barry Zito
if you use it on a skin tumor, it's a ...
two fans fought over the tumor ...
... Later, a woman from San Jose falsely claimed that she found one half of the tumor in her bowl of Wendy's chili.
The worst thought for me
Didnt Zito pitch game 5 in 2003?
well Hudson
Nope, Hudson came out in Boston
Zito started Game 5 on 3 days rest
by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
2003 definitely
clearly the worst one was...
by Suck My Moneyballs on Feb 7, 2006 5:33 PM PST reply actions
does anybody remember
i think...
by Suck My Moneyballs on Feb 7, 2006 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
responsiblity of the on-deck hitter
in all replays i've seen of the byrnes play, there is no on-deck hitter to be found. the on-deck hitter basically becomes the homeplate coach once the ball goes into play. ours didn't do his job on this play.
i'm not saying that byrnes isn't an idiot for not touching the plate, but the on-deck guy should have had a better view of the play and been close enough to kick byrnes' ass all the way to home plate.
Man, why would you ruin everyone's day?
I think it's good for us
plus
No way....
by OaktownPower on Feb 7, 2006 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't this a little depressing...
Hell. Why don't we all go to MLB.com and download Game-freakin-1 of the 1988 Series and watch that gimp pump his fists around 2nd base for the millionth time.
C'mon...."Your Killin' me Smalls!"
Think of it as a cleansing process
<flings poo>
Yeah 03
by CyberFT on Feb 7, 2006 6:39 PM PST reply actions
im my opinion
Distinction
Deflating.
And then ... for them to come THIS close to winning it in the bottom of the 9th!!! Oh, Ellis! That's A's baseball of late ... come THIS close and then lose it.
2003 was bad too, but in a more painful way becasue of how close we were so many times. That one hurt. Byrnes, Tejada, Foulke, Zito ...
Yikes. I'm going to go cry now.
'01
I was there for the Sox series
Oy...
Game 5
One bad Zito pitch, had to be to Manny. Had to be.
Why??? No more bad news!!! How many days til Ps and Cs?
and just for that
God i thought we had that Boston series
This thread is DEPRESSING!
I was proud
I was stunned and disappointed in '01. Up 2-0 and coming home to Oakland. Then disaster. Still hard to believe. I couldn't believe we didn't pinch-run, I couldn't believe he didn't slide, and to top it off ..... I thought he was safe anyway.
I was probably the angriest in '02. Total choke job. They started thinking about "last year" when they got up 2-1, and totally threw up on themselves in game 4 in Min. Then totally played "not to lose" in Game 5 in Oak. What a joke. They were scared to death. Everyone blames Koch .... they hadn't done anything up until that point (a Durham solo HR) and weren't going to do anything, either. This is no slam on Ellis, but a lot easier to hit a three-run bomb when you're down 4, and the pressure's off. Nope, not Koch's fault. Total team "effort," if you can call it that.
Probably the most depressed and defeated though, in '03. Another "three games to win one" disaster. Tough to swallow. Byrnes, Tejada, Hudson, Foulke, name your goat. Biggest blunder? Pinch-hitting for your number 1 RBI man in the 9th inning of Game 5. Brilliant.
It's close, but I say 2003
2001 is awful, because it was the best A's team during the four year playoff run. And there's the whole 2-0 lead, Jeter, et cetera. I was there for Game 4, and that was brutal. The only point I would make about Game 3 is that Jeremy Giambi's run, if it had scored, would not have put the A's in front. The game would have been tied. Mussina was dealing, with a deep bullpen and Rivera on call. That would have been a difficult game to win anyway, in what would turn out to be that Yankee team's last hurrah.
2002 was depressing for different reasons. First, it's only the only series of the four in which the A's were clearly the better team, so that makes it painful. Tim Hudson couldn't pitch, but started twice. Zito won the Cy Young that year, and started once. I was there for Game Five, on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, in a half-empty third deck (the best argument in history for the stupid tarp). And I never had a good feeling about that game. Everything about it felt wrong, off. My first reaction, watching Mark Ellis' home run soar into the bleachers, was bitter: "Great, now we're going to lose by one run."
You can argue that 2003 wasn't as bad as 2002, because Boston had more talent on a team that won the World Series the next year. The A's were on the down escalator. But 2003 was the worst, in part because of what came before, and in part because the series was given away after another 2-0 lead. A great Yankee team came back and took the 2001 series. The A's gave away the 2003 series, with bonehead move after bonehead move. Byrnes, Tejada, Macha pinch-hitting for Dye, Hudson's brawl and subsequent inability to pitch into the second inning, Foulke blowing the save, Terrence Long ending the game as we all knew he would.
It's all subjective, but 2003 was the worst for me.
1988 abd 1990
resignation
"I fully expected an implosion in 03, it just seemed inevitable. If our first round opponent this year is the Royals i'd expect a walk off jack from Mark Teahen or something in game 5..."
"the second game 3 was over in 03 I knew we were finished."
"The first two were plenty disappointing, but that was the Yankees with their trillion dollar budget."
"Boston was a solid team in 03, taking the Yankees to the brink. It couldn't be called an embarassment to lose to those guys."
I can almost hear the old "a five game series is a crapshoot anyway" coming around the bend.
Why do we expect to lose? Why is it okay to lose to the Yankees and the Redsox? You think NY fans expected to lose when they were down 0-2? What about sox fans? I don't think so. I suspect that they expected to win the same way that many of us are saying that we expected to lose. And all the comments about "we should have beaten the twins" further reflect the lowered expectations of our fanbase.
It's time to excorcise these demons and start envisioning a better future. That's what I'm hoping to do anyway. As this new A's team moves forward, how about if we surround it with an attitude, or even an aura, of arrogance, not acceptance.
if they made a nodding-head giveaway doll ...
Reading this thread
reliving past pain
ripping a bandage off a deep wound
being given a glimmer or more of hope (2-0 playoff leads, ellis homer), and having it snatched away
Did any of you feel the same away about Aces?
The Jeter Play
by fadedash on Feb 8, 2006 10:49 AM PST reply actions
All of them hurt
We had a chance to win everyone one of the last 3 games and we blew it especially in games 3 & 4.
Game 4 hurt because JD hit that 2 run jack over the green monster that gave us a 2 run lead.
Damn you Foulke for not being able to freakin close a game for us but he could do it just fine the next year for the Sox.
by BashBrothers89 on Feb 8, 2006 11:57 AM PST reply actions
We should have one all of them
Hopefully 2006 will provide the closure we all need. If we get a ring this year i will all but forget all those horrible playoff loses and the last 2 seasons that have ended at the hands of the Angels.
by OakAs33 on Feb 8, 2006 12:07 PM PST reply actions
2003
However, after watching Hudson blow them away in the first inning of Game 4 I got my hopes up again. All we needed to do was score a couple of runs and Huddy would shut them down. I remember the family room and especially the remote took quite a beating when they came back from the commercial break.
So I was again sure we were going to lose the series and felt that way until that 9th inning of Game 5. Runners on 2nd and 3rd and only one out. A simple single and we win the series. Ugh!!!
we were going to win the series after
Another 50 years or so of this...
by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 8, 2006 11:57 PM PST reply actions
Gee, I was feeling a little down
Thanks for playing along
Anyway, it may sound strange, but I enjoyed this conversation a lot. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I live overseas and don't get to talk much baseball. I've been replaying all this horror in my mind for years and needed an outlet for sharing and comiserating. I'm glad that AN was here for me.
Finally, I want to add that AN is an amazing and thriving community. This was my first diary, and initially I didn't even know if people would read it, let alone complete the poll and share their thoughts. I was ecstatic to find that within minutes of posting this thing there were numerous comments. I posted at about 2am my time (I was watching the caribbean series on mlb.com by myself in the dark, feeling alone and missing home) and the fact that comments came pouring in suddenly made me feel not alone, but totally connected to a strong community that accepts me and shares many of my passions and pains. It's a good feeling.

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