Introducing: The Alex Sanchez Award!

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 10:37 AM PST in News

I'm talking about the kind of award you don't really want to get. In your high school, it might have been "Least Likely To Succeed" (an award that was won, incidentally, by both Tom Cruise and Robin Williams). Or it might have been "Most Likely To Breed Outside Their Species" (hey, at least I have something on my trophy shelf). I'm talking about the kind of award only bestowed upon players so pathetic that they can actually hit .346 and get released by Tampa Bay, or who can be listed as an outfielder yet often be unable to catch a routine fly ball, or who can homer 6 times in 5 seasons and still manage to be busted for taking steroids. Or all of the above.

Really, there has to be an Alex Sanchez Award, so that Neifi Perez can actually be acknowledged for his ability to maintain gainful employment 10 years in a row while sporting a career OPS of .681. Somehow we need an excuse to celebrate Scott Elarton, whose pitching motion and ERA are about equally funny, and John Wasdin, whose bobblehead is actually positioned so he is gazing at the left-center field bleachers.

So please, weigh in with the players you feel deserve to be recognized for truly standing out at their position--in the way Braden Looper stands out among closers.

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I nominate Royce Clayton. Seriously. How is this dude still alive, let alone still on the field?

Honorable mention goes to Endy Chavez for being able to eke out a starting position with the Mets. Look beyond that empty average from last season, and you don't got much else.

Zito: I would never bet against this team. First of all because it's against the rules...

by Joey C. on Dec 9, 2006 10:51 AM PST reply actions

Christian Guzman

Nuff Said

by Zonis on Dec 9, 2006 10:52 AM PST reply actions

No, not nuff said:

It needs to be said that Cristian Guzman's lifetime on base percentage is .298.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 11:10 AM PST up reply actions

The fact that the Nats paid him that huge contract

only to suck then blessedly miss the next year due to injury (actually helping his team by doing so) also has to be said, I guess

by Zonis on Dec 9, 2006 11:34 AM PST up reply actions

Don't forget the namesake

Alex Sanchez was just signed to a minor league deal by the Marlins. He's not out of the running yet!

by Jeff in Seattle on Dec 9, 2006 10:56 AM PST reply actions

Closer: Rod Beck

Sure, at one point he was decent with the G's, but people were wondering how he did it with one pitch?!? At shortstop, I agree with Royce Clayton, but have to also put Jose Vizcaino on that list. The guy hits .220 every year, yet finds a new team with ease.

by nfadil4 on Dec 9, 2006 10:56 AM PST reply actions

Do other teams wonder the same about

Bobby Crosby? Sorry, that was my last Crosby rant for '06.

by nfadil4 on Dec 9, 2006 10:58 AM PST reply actions

I think Jose Cruz Jr. is campaigning for the

2009 Alex Sanchez Award.

by nfadil4 on Dec 9, 2006 11:01 AM PST reply actions

Good point: Cruz Jr. may not

drop a lot of routine fly balls but when he does drop one it's sure a doozy!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 11:08 AM PST up reply actions

rob deer?

would he have his own category of award? or would he fit in to this one...

by giambizombie on Dec 9, 2006 11:12 AM PST reply actions

I wonder if Rob Deer

is afraid of Torii Hunter.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 11:16 AM PST up reply actions

or Randy Wolf

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Dec 9, 2006 12:11 PM PST up reply actions

or Virginia Wolfe.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 9, 2006 3:43 PM PST up reply actions

grandmother of

our own Lew Wolf (he dropped the e for business purposes)

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Dec 9, 2006 8:53 PM PST up reply actions

and added an "f"

to make his name look even better on a business card, I suppose.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 9, 2006 10:58 PM PST up reply actions

wow...so many players to choose from

by OaklandSi on Dec 9, 2006 11:14 AM PST reply actions

Does our own 'tonio Perez qualify?

Especially since I picked him, privately, thank Xenu, to have a breakout year last year?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Dec 9, 2006 11:18 AM PST reply actions

Xenu sucks!

Xenu never could hit the curveball!

Now Isis, that's a hitter!

"I ain't ever had a job. I just always played baseball."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Dec 11, 2006 2:13 PM PST up reply actions

Never understood what Ken Phelps and

Jamie Quirk had to offer back in the 80's.

by nfadil4 on Dec 9, 2006 11:25 AM PST reply actions

Two seasons ago in short season ball...

..the Vancouver Canadians played a team who had a middle reliever that had such a ferocious 'head whip' in his follow-through that his hat would fly off every second pitch.

He got clobbered, and the entire crowd was laughing through the sole inning I saw him throw - the PA announcer even played 'You Can Leave Your Hat On' between pitches...

But I can't remember his name. Anyway, that guy gets my nod.

"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 9, 2006 11:38 AM PST reply actions

If I were a Giants fan....

And praise be to Allah, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Zeus, Mother Earth and Jim Jones I'm not, I might have to put Allen Embree on the list.

by elephantman on Dec 9, 2006 11:39 AM PST reply actions

Yeah,

I'm scarred of Embree joining our lovable muppets. I used to be a Giants fan, and my dad still is, and whenever he hears the name "Embree" he calls him something along the lines of a big fat bum.

by RenoTy on Dec 9, 2006 11:52 AM PST up reply actions

Yeah...

When my sister (longtime Giants fan, but will also root for A's) was with me at an A's game a couple of years ago, Embree started warming up late in the game for... whoever we were playing... Boston?... and my sister goes, "Okay, this is good! He sucks!"

"You know, Mark Ellis is the all-time home run leader from South Pecota." ~ jeepers

by Poppy on Dec 9, 2006 3:30 PM PST up reply actions

he was pretty good

when in atlanta. i think his era was even under 3 the only full year he played with them (i think he was injured on year, but this is all from memory, so i could be totally wrong).

by Eric in Atlanta on Dec 9, 2006 6:55 PM PST up reply actions

Th NFL version of the award

should be named after Gary Kubiak. The guy never played and was groomed to coach right after he was drafted. Of course, the NBA version would be called the "Sean Marks Award."

by nfadil4 on Dec 9, 2006 11:55 AM PST reply actions

I love Gary Kubiak!

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Dec 9, 2006 12:32 PM PST up reply actions

no making fun of gary kubiak

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 12:51 PM PST up reply actions

kubiak off-limits

he'd make those great plays when he did play, and as a coach, well, see the bronco's offense this year...

Zito - my favorite.

by catfish hunter on Dec 10, 2006 12:53 PM PST up reply actions

Guess it's up to me to state the obvious

OFer Billy Beane.

This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.

A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 9, 2006 1:32 PM PST reply actions

Then I guess it's up to me

to fill out the infield by adding that career .199 hitter, Tony La Russa.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 1:42 PM PST up reply actions

how about the A's new

batting coach?

by OaklandSi on Dec 9, 2006 3:22 PM PST up reply actions

what are you talking about

beane's gonna make it, he has the good face.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 1:43 PM PST up reply actions

not a current player

but Jeff Reboulet was always the biggest scrub that managed to find teams that wanted his .650 career OPS, and he played till he was 39.

One of the funniest things Ive ever seen at a game, was Dave Magadan steam rolling Reboulet while he tried to field a grounder. Classic.

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch" - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Dec 9, 2006 2:19 PM PST reply actions

Speaking of Dave Magadan...

Maybe Dave Magadan's a little too good for this list.

What about any of those guys on the Astros in the 80's? Craig Reynolds, anyone? Alan Ashby? What about Mr. Arthur Howe?

"I ain't ever had a job. I just always played baseball."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Dec 11, 2006 2:16 PM PST up reply actions

The Holy Trinity

Ozzie Guillen, Mario Mendozo, and Rey Ordonez.

by Danny on Dec 9, 2006 2:26 PM PST reply actions

My Team

C Yadier Molina -- his hitting started out offensive -- and his Avg, OBP and OPS have dropped every year in the league.
1b Travis Lee -- .224 batting average, 11 HRs.
2b Not awarded -- Jose Castillo is still young and no one else was THAT bad.
3b Abraham Nunez -- when a guy with a career .243/.313/.318 line sets a career low in batting average and just misses it in OBP and Slg you kind of have to wonder why someone saw fit to send him to the plate 2,500 hundred times.
SS Angel Berroa -- A .259 OBP almost makes a career .305 look good.
OF Scott Podsednik -- a part of one of those "all-time great trades" like the Mulder trade that leads to winning the WS. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
OF Brad Wilkerson -- My computer is threatening to erase this, but can anyone say, 'Ben Grieve'?
OF Jeromy Burnitz -- He had a good year that one time in Colorado ... but you have to be able to hit that ball in order for it to matter how hard you're swinging.
SP Russ Ortiz -- When a guy's ERA has gone up and his IP has dropped for six years in a row, it might be time to give up on him.
SP2 Jose Lima would go in this spot, but his wife is really hot, so that's as good of a reason as any for keeping him around.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Dec 9, 2006 2:32 PM PST reply actions

travis lee

remember two years ago, chavez was on first base and lee started making fun of the a's b/c mulder and hudson had been traded? dude, you're travis lee, and you're on the devil rays.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 2:37 PM PST up reply actions

To be fair ...

the D-Rays were coming off the best season in franchise history. 70 wins will earn you quite the ego.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Dec 9, 2006 3:52 PM PST up reply actions

Great list, devo!

No one can accuse you of being the Alex Sanchez of AN. Can I recommend Erasmo Ramirez for LOOGY? He can't get lefties out to save his life, but balances it out by not getting righties out either. And his fastball tops out at around 82MPH.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 2:50 PM PST up reply actions

Well thank you ...

I left relievers off for a reason. Half of them are deserving of the award. I like to see more longevity, but Derrick Turnbow definitely deserves some sort of acknowledgement for his remarkable 2006.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Dec 9, 2006 3:58 PM PST up reply actions

Molina?

Dude I'll take Ausmus over Molina any day. Ausmus has been a full time catcher for 13 years with a career .673 OPS.

by MrIncognito on Dec 9, 2006 4:10 PM PST up reply actions

Ben Grieve

also holds the single-season GIDP record for left-handers (32 in 2000).

"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 9, 2006 5:45 PM PST up reply actions

I nominate Carl Pavano

"hunting for fresh meat"

by Masaryk on Dec 9, 2006 2:36 PM PST reply actions

I second Carl Pavano

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine...Cisco Field, not so sure.

by haren4prez on Dec 9, 2006 2:53 PM PST up reply actions

He belongs on a totally different list ...

he clearly has MLB talent, the only question there is health.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Dec 9, 2006 3:48 PM PST up reply actions

What about Fear Mecir?

Peg leg gets no love???????

by mrod on Dec 9, 2006 2:52 PM PST reply actions

I was just thinking that...

You could do a whole list, just on relievers.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Dec 9, 2006 3:47 PM PST up reply actions

What's more surprising?

1) That a very good reliever was continually employed by teams under very reasonable contracts,

2) That some fans don't realize Mecir was a very good reliever, and that 2003 was an anomaly for him?

by Danny on Dec 9, 2006 4:25 PM PST up reply actions

totally agree

fans don't know jack. anyone who mentions mecir in this conversation is just embarrassing themselves.
mecir was relatively cheap, had a nasty screwball, and pitched quite well (not once or twice, but every year but one from 1998-2005). what more do people want?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 4:34 PM PST up reply actions

And with that...

Now you can defend Ricardo Rincon. Should be pretty easy.

Go.

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by louismg on Dec 9, 2006 5:20 PM PST up reply actions

okay

rincon with the a's (era +):
150
131
127
104

mecir with the a's (era +):
169
127
109
76
131

since this is a discussion of "pathetic" baseball players and both mecir and rincon appear to be at least average if not better, that wasn't very hard.

it's a good thing there are actually baseball statistics out there, available to the public free of charge...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 6:19 PM PST up reply actions

Rincon's WHIP...

not so impressive while with the A's, besides the first year:

0.69 (only 20 1/3 innings)
1.39
1.52
1.45

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 9, 2006 7:25 PM PST up reply actions

the end result

was decent ERAs every year.
whatever his WHIP may have been, he was also quite good at not allowing inherited runners to score. in fact, one of the best in the league if i'm not mistaken.

so, if a reliever gives you above average ERA and also doesn't allow inherited runners to score, who cares what his WHIP may have been?
we're not trying to predict his future performance here, we're looking back on how well he actually did.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 7:34 PM PST up reply actions

fair enough, X

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 9, 2006 10:54 PM PST up reply actions

playoffs

mecir for the a's (00-03):
10.3 ip, 8k, 1bb, 2 er

rincon for the a's (02-03):
7 ip, 5k, 1bb, 2 er

boy these guys sure did suck for us!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 6:27 PM PST up reply actions

Billy Koch

does he still have a job?

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine...Cisco Field, not so sure.

by haren4prez on Dec 9, 2006 3:25 PM PST reply actions

yeah, at the CDC

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 9, 2006 3:27 PM PST up reply actions

Would that be the

Center for Diseased Control?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 3:52 PM PST up reply actions

or the California Dept. of Corrections

???

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine...Cisco Field, not so sure.

by haren4prez on Dec 10, 2006 11:02 AM PST up reply actions

oh, that's mean !

by vk on Dec 9, 2006 6:25 PM PST up reply actions

Heres one for ya

JEREMY GIAMBI.

Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery.

by rzach on Dec 9, 2006 4:40 PM PST reply actions

I'll see your Jeremy Giambi...

...and raise you an Ozzie Canseco.

If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Dec 10, 2006 7:53 AM PST up reply actions

Chris Sabo

by Colorado Fan on Dec 9, 2006 5:34 PM PST reply actions

Nominees

If Elarton gets the award, then that means that the entire starting rotation for the 2006 KC Royals gets the honor, as Elarton was the #1 starter. No wonder why they're shelling out $55 million to Meche...

Joel Pineiro gets one, for performance against the A's alone. His performance against everyone else the past couple years didn't hurt his prospects for an Alex Sanchez Award one bit, either. Ex-rotation mate Ryan Franklin gets one, too. Imagine how bad he would've been if he wasn't on roids.

Danny Kolb. Great move by Schuerholz there...

Speaking of the Brewers, some of their pitchers from a few years back definitely deserve the award. Jamey Wright was one, there were at least a couple others.

Russ AND Ramon Ortiz...if it wasn't for David, this should be the Ortiz Award on the strength of both of their contributions.

Dave Hansen and Lenny Harris get one for carving out careers as pinch hitters, even if they were decent ones.

Todd Hollandsworth always kind of sucked, and he hung around for a while, on the strength of his ROY award, probably.

Mike Morgan, the quintessential journeyman.

Rick Ankiel, although he's probably a better fit for the Chuck Knoblauch Award, the rarer and more presitigious award reserved for those professional baseball players who inexplicably lose their ability to throw a baseball.

Other blasts from the past: Rafael Belliard (for the homerless streak) and Anthony Young, SP from the Mets (for the, what, 19-game losing streak...)

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 9, 2006 5:58 PM PST reply actions

John Gochnaur

In two seasons with the Cleveland Blues (1902/3) Gochnaur put up a .187/.258/.240 line (including 0 HR) in 908 at bats.

But his horror show wasn't all bat. Playing at shortstop he made 146 errors in 264 games (including a record 5 in one memorable double-header) with a "career" fielding percentage of .901 that included a record .869 in 1903.

Now what were you saying about Bobby Crosby ?

"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 9, 2006 6:01 PM PST reply actions

Dave Revering

the guy who held out as a rookie, saying "I've done it all. It's not my fault I haven't done it in the majors."

or maybe I'm just bitter because he spat tobacco juice on my shoes when I was covering AAA in Indianapolis.

by vk on Dec 9, 2006 6:22 PM PST reply actions

Sorry, I always liked Revering

Along with Mitchell Paige, they were the only power on those awful teams of the late 70's.

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Dec 11, 2006 8:37 AM PST up reply actions

Dave Valle

Anybody remember that catcher for the M's in the 80's/90's? A friend of mine in Seattle loved that guy and I could never figure it out. In 13 seasons, he hit .237/.314/.373

Another favorite in this category is Mark Lemke, a big favorite of Bobby Cox for a while. "The Lemmer" hit .246/.317/.324 in 11 seasons (he did hit .444/.516/.630 in the '96 NLCS).

by Eric in Atlanta on Dec 9, 2006 7:03 PM PST reply actions

Speaking of Dave Valle,

when's the next Dan Wilson Appreciation Day?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 9, 2006 11:53 PM PST up reply actions

wow

eerily similar numbers.

by Eric in Atlanta on Dec 10, 2006 7:04 AM PST up reply actions

How about Terrance Long!

I still have the image of him watching that third strike go by him and the A's losing because of it. November 26, 2003 was one of the greatest days when he got traded.

Or Ted Lilly and Octavio Dotel! You can do a whole section on pitchers who are horrible that got paid way to much!!!!

Ben "The Party" Hall GO A's

by benhall2121 on Dec 9, 2006 10:21 PM PST reply actions

T-Long maybe...

probably, even...but not Dotel, who was once lights out in Houston, decent/average for us, then just injured, or Lilly, who had his ups and downs with the Jays, but mainly ups with the A's. Those guys aren't bad enough for the Sanchez award, espcially Dotel.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 9, 2006 10:50 PM PST up reply actions

Larry Davis for the Sanchez Award!

Dotel was flat out unhittable until he got hurt, then the A's medical staff said he wasn't hurt. Ask Bobby Crosby about their excellant diagnosis abilities.

by elephantman on Dec 9, 2006 11:16 PM PST up reply actions

Dotel was damaged goods

and the A's knew it.

Dotel has been out since May 18 with tendon calcification, which would not be addressed with surgery, but he also does not have a functioning ulnar collateral ligament. It was torn sometime in the past, certainly before he came to Oakland last season, which the team's doctors knew. He has pitched effectively without one, which is not unheard of; sometimes athletes injure ligaments but the structures around them are strong enough to carry the workload.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/03/AS.TMP&type=as

by Danny on Dec 10, 2006 2:06 PM PST up reply actions

Are we talking

longevity combined with not-even-mediocrity
or
the ability to not live up to the hype (Grieve)

because I have plenty of Donruss 'Rated Rookie's from the late 80's/early 90s that fall into the later category.

Matt Nokes - I'm looking at you.

Meanwhile, players that went on to do well - I didn't get their rookie cards.

by Rickeyfan on Dec 10, 2006 12:16 AM PST reply actions

lol

I think I have about 7 Kevin Maas Donruss cards from that time period...he and Nokes were kindred spirits

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 11, 2006 2:22 AM PST up reply actions

Dan Pasqua

would get a nomination in the Kevin Maas division.

I'll second whoever mentioned Angel Berroa's name. There aren't enough Angels listed here yet, so I will also nominate Ben Weber.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 11, 2006 9:01 AM PST up reply actions

Bad closer, Queen Arthur

Bad SS who conmtinually found employment, Fred "Chicken" Stanley.

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Dec 11, 2006 8:40 AM PST reply actions

I second

the T-Long nomination. SWING TERRENCE!!! SWING!!!!

And who the heck was saying don't bag on Gary Kubiak earlier? This is a baseball forum, but I have to say, nice call Kubiak on drafting Mario Williams! Reggie Bush is a total bust, and David Carr is sooooo much better then those two bums who played in the 06 Rose Bowl at quarterback. How did Vince Young look on that 39-yard GW TD run yesterday, Houston? Playing for the other team?

Okay, no more football for the day, sorry about that. I'd also like to nominate for the Alex Sanchez award, a Mr. Eric Karros! (At least when he got here)

by darooster on Dec 11, 2006 12:17 PM PST reply actions

Credit where credit is due.

That gaffe belongs to Charley Casserly (sp?), not Kubiak.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 11, 2006 12:54 PM PST up reply actions

ultimately the blame falls to Casserly...

but I'm guessing Kubiak was present in the warroom, although the pick was actually decided on way before that...anyway, coaches in the NFL certainly have a decent amount of say about personnel decisions, because their insight on whether a player is a good fit for the "system" is nearly as important as a GM's consideration of the other factors, like pure talent, team needs, contract demands, etc

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 11, 2006 9:44 PM PST up reply actions