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DLD 12/5/06--Young, Rich, and Left-Handed

Naturally, this diary is about our pitching coach, and the incredible effect he will have on the maturation of Rich Harden and Joe Kennedy into the quality starters we'll need to compete next year.

In other young, rich, and left-handed news, Barry Zito is rapidly becoming the belle of the ball at this year's winter meetings.  As we all know by now, the Rangers are very serious about landing Tony Danza's worst nightmare.  They are rumored to have made an incredibly rich offer of six years and $102M, which would be hard for any other team to match.  Other teams are still very interested, nonetheless--the Mariners are rumored to have also entered the Zito sweepstakes:

"How could we not be interested in a guy like that?" a club insider asked Monday at the outset of baseball's winter meetings. "When you look at the ages, if the money is equal, you'd want to go with the younger guy."

Of course, the money isn't going to be equal. Schmidt is looking for about $15 million and a four-year deal. The deal agent Scott Boras is trying to get for Zito is for more money and for as many as six years.

Boras and Zito met Thursday in Arlington, Texas, with the Rangers brass. Zito hasn't come to pay a similar call in Seattle -- yet. But he could.

Boras reportedly told the Rangers that the Mariners were strong players in the Zito derby. That's unquestionably a negotiating ploy -- Boras is famous for those.

Late last night, Boras also met with the Mets to discuss Zito.  According to this Rotoworld note, specific dollars were not discussed.  Money-wise, Seattle and Texas have a distinct advantage over the Mets--the lack of a state income tax.  Just for fun, let's assume that the baseline for Zito is 6 years and $90M, rumored to be his asking price.  If the Rangers really overbid to the tune of $2M per year, and Seattle and the Mets meet the baseline, this is what he actually gets:

Seattle: 6/90 = $15M per
New York: 6/90 less 6.85% = $13.9725M per
Texas: 6/102 = $17M per

Zito would be leaving an awful lot of money on the table compared to Texas, and more than a million per year compared to Seattle, if he signed with the Mets.  I don't think this can be dismissed out-of-hand when your agent is Scott Boras.

I hope the Mets step up their offer, so we don't have to see our direct competition strengthened by the addition of Zito, even if it weakens them financially.

Meanwhile, Anaheim is rumored to be targeting Braves' first-baseman Adam LaRoche in a potential deal that could include Chone Figgins and a pitcher.  It looks like the Angels are more likely to upgrade at the corner infield through trade than the free-agent market--Arizona wants to talk to them about a Chad Tracy for Joe Saunders deal as well.  I trust Bill Stonewall to hem and haw, and eventually pull no triggers, like he always does.  I don't know why the D-Backs are down on Tracy, but I wouldn't mind Beane making a phone call on that guy.

In case you hadn't yet heard, three-way Manny Ramirez trades are being discussed.  The Sox want a closer.  One permutation involves the Giants and the Nationals (with Chad Cordero involved), and the other involves the Giants and Mariners, which is predictably inciting vigorous discussion at Lookout Landing.

Oh yeah--this is an A's blog, isn't it?  Well, there's nothing new; they're still likely to get Piazza and Embree.

Who will make Barry Zito rich?  How good are th Rangers, Angels, and Mariners going to make themselves for next year?  Will the A's do anything?  Stay tuned for updates as they become available.

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Zito
I actually hope that Zito goes to either Texas or Seattle.  If he goes to the Mets, we don't get a 1st round pick for Z, but we do if he goes to one of our rivals.  I'd rather have a 1st round pick, a sandwich pick, and have to face Zito a couple of times a year vs. a sandwich pick and the Mets 3rd round pick.  As much as Zito nibbles, I think we could have success against him if he's in Texas or Seattle.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 9:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well
That seems to be the prevailing wisdom on the site.  I'm in the minority on that, it seems.  I suppose it's a matter of how much better the 14th-16th pick is than a high sandwich pick, and whether or not that enough to make up for the increase in wins by a divisional rival.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
Everyone seems to be focused on the few times a year the A's would face Zito and assuming that they'll do well against him, and ignoring the fact that overall he's a serious upgrade to their staff and would help them out over the entire season.  Go Mets.

by sslinger on Dec 5, 2006 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really...
my focus is on the A's being in position to draft the best possible players with one eye open to the future.  I would much rather have the #16 pick than the #82 pick in a good draft.  Yes, in a perfect world Zito would go to an NL club that resulted in the best possible pick going to the A's but that is not the case.  

by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets try to focus on winning this thing
most prospects is not how you get the ring

by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 5, 2006 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if those prospects...
turn into another Swisher, Street, etc. it helps - definitely not next year, but down the line.  The key foundation to this franchise is being able to develop young, cheap, top-level talent so you can use the bulk of your pay roll to fill in the holes.

by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sandwich pick
Won't the sandwich pick be in same no matter where Z signs?  That makes it a difference of a mid 1st round pick vs. the Mets 3rd round pick.  That's a big difference.  
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would
The sandwich picks are ranked based on the Elias score of the player you lost.

How would it be the Mets' third-round pick, though, rather than their second-round pick?

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It probably is
I swear I read somewhere that the 3rd rounder is the one we'd get.  It probably is the 2nd rounder, but even then, you're talking the 16th pick vs. a pick in the 70-80 range.  That's a big difference.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct...
the sandwhich pick would come between the end of the 1st round and start of 2nd round, based purely on ranking of FA, regardless of which team signed the FA.

by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With compensation, do we get Texas, original pick
or can we get one that was comped to them.  Looking at BA.com's list, I can't find the Rangers own pick, only ones the have comped from other teams.

First-Round Picks

  1. Devil Rays
  2. Royals
  3. Cubs
  4. Pirates
  5. Orioles
  6. Nationals
  7. Brewers
  8. Rockies
  9. Diamondbacks
  10. Giants
  11. Mariners
  12. Marlins
  13. Indians
  14. Braves
  15. Reds
  16. Blue Jays (Frank Catalanotto, A, to Tex)
  17. Rangers (Carlos Lee, A, to Hou)
  18. Cardinals
  19. Phillies
  20. Red Sox
  21. Blue Jays
  22. Dodgers
  23. Padres
  24. Rangers (Gary Matthews Jr., A, to LAA)
  25. White Sox
  26. Athletics
  27. Tigers
  28. Twins
  29. Giants (Moises Alou, A, to NYM)
  30. Yankees

by theblackpearl on Dec 5, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pick #16
would become ours, because Zito grades out higher than Catalanotto.  The Blue Jays' pick would then turn into the Rangers' second-round pick.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And
Looking at this list, Zito going to the Mariners would be the worst possible outcome, if I'm not mistaken.  At #11, the Mariners' pick is protected, so all we would get in that case is the M's second-round pick and a sandwich pick.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They would get the Rangers pick
at #16 that is currently going to Toronto, assuming that stupid ranking system doesn't have Zito ranked lowers than Cattalano as well.  For the life of me, I still can't see how Alou ranked higher.  Texas would keep the #17 pick from Houston as compensation for Lee and Tornto would get the Rangers 2nd rounder and a sandwhich pick.

by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alou has been a heck of a player, when healthy ...
and Zito is ranked higher than Big Cat -- no worries there.

He's the #3 ranked FA, behind Alou and Glavine (who re-signed) so the Mets are the only team for whom we won't have the highest priority of compensation picks.

by devo on Dec 5, 2006 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am no expert on the picks but.....
won't we be getting a pick for losing thomas???????
"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 5, 2006 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Type B
Thomas is a Type B free agent, so we only get a sandwich pick for him.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Toothpick.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Dec 5, 2006 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas will only net us a Suplemental, which by
BA, is the 43rd pick.
  1. Cubs (Juan Pierre, B, to LAD)
  2. Nationals (Alfonso Soriano, A, to ChC)
  3. Diamondbacks (Craig Counsell, B, to Mil)
  4. Giants (Alou)
  5. Braves (Danys Baez, A, to Bal)
  6. Reds (Rich Aurilia, A, to SF)
  7. Rangers (Lee)
  8. Phillies (David Dellucci, A, to Cle)
  9. Red Sox (Alex Gonzalez, B, to Cin)
  10. Blue Jays (Catalanotto)
  11. Padres (Dave Roberts, A, to SF)
  12. Angels (Adam Kennedy, B, to StL)
  13. Athletics (Frank Thomas, B, to Tor)
  14. Tigers (Jamie Walker, B, to Bal)
  15. Mets (Chad Bradford, A, to Bal)
  16. Giants (Mike Stanton, B, to Cin)
  17. Rangers (Matthews)
  18. Blue Jays (Justin Speier, A, to LAA)
  19. Padres (Woody Williams, A, to Hou)
  20. Mets (Roberto Hernandez, A, to Cle)
  21. Rangers (Mark DeRosa, B, to ChC)
  22. Diamondbacks (have yet to sign 2006 first-rounder Max Scherzer)

by theblackpearl on Dec 5, 2006 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would also love
seeing Texas take on another nice, long, fat contract and tie up a substantial part of their payroll for several years.
"[Frank's] a big battler. He's the mother of battleships."

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 5, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For a pitcher who'll walk two guys...
..then give up a deep flyball that, oops, turns out to be a dinger in their ballpark.
"That's one osteoporitic offense." - Jeepers, on the SF Giants

by Ozzz on Dec 5, 2006 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas and Zito
Well, if Texas does sign Zito that would mean their rotation would be
Millwood, Zito, Padilla, some other guys.
Thats a nice top 3 in the rotation. I think Texas should do it-they have proven they can move big contracts if it doesnt work out after two years.

by apilgrim on Dec 5, 2006 10:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Texas' Payroll
Texas has about an $80M payroll correct?  I'd prefer to see them take Zito, let them pay 25% of their payroll to a pitcher who was a little bad luck away from a 9 win year last year due to his WHIP and walks.  Honestly, I love Zito but eventually those walks, hits, and home runs are going to catch up with him...and they will do it a lot quicker in Arlington then in the Colosseum.  I really think Zito, at this point in his career, is more of a 11 to 15 win innings eater then a 20 win staff ace.  

That's not to say being an innings eater is a bad thing, it's just that $17 million is not only not worth it, but is so much that it will likely be damaging to the Ranger's future like the A-Rod deal was.

by Threepwood XX on Dec 5, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How many cities/states tax players for visiting?
One of the smoke and mirror methods we (Portland) pitched to build a new stadium without public dollars was the ridiculous amount of money ($150-$175 million) that could be taxed from all the players regardless of team that were earning money in Oregon.

Does anyone know if this is a standard practice or just something we made up while watching the rain wishing for MLB?  Also, at least in Zito's case, I imagine he would have to severe all official ties to CA or else they would want to collect tax on all income he made while a resident regardless of which state he was earning in.

Mmm... tax discussion, I expect a lot of replies and interest in this post.

by portoakland on Dec 5, 2006 10:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Most of them, I think
I believe most localities do tax visiting players on the fraction of their income derived while playing in their towns, using a non-residential personal income tax rate.  In NYC that's 0.45%.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 5, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Standard practice
All states tax non-residents for income earned in the state. There's no smoke-and-mirrors about it, and it's not something special just for athletes; it's just the normal rules for state income taxes.

Usually there's a threshold amount and if you make less than that you don't have to file -- for Calif in 2005, for a single individual with no dependents, it was $13,085 -- but I'm pretty sure Barry Zito is going to be over that.

For the state where you're a resident, you report all your income no matter where you make it, but there's a mechanism to deduct it if it's taxed in another state, so that you don't end up paying two states for the same income. That means if you live in an income tax state, you still pay your home state's tax for away games in a state with no income tax. But if you live in a no-tax state, you're off the hook for home games as well as games in another no-tax state.

The tax return for a professional athlete would be pretty complicated, since he'd have to file 10 or 12 state returns (plus Ontario and Canada). And since he works on a contract over the season, there's the matter of how to apportion the income among the states. Each state has regulations guiding that, and they're not all the same.

But if you're making a million bucks a year, you can afford to hire an accountant to do your taxes.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Dec 5, 2006 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Lewis in Berkeley Thursday evening
http://www.mrsdalloways.com/newsevents.php

Join Michael Lewis, author of Moneyball, Coach, The New New Thing, and  Liar's Poker, who will talk about his latest book The Blind Side:  Evolution of a Game (Norton, $24.95), with Michael Pollan.

Thursday, December 7, 7:30 p.m, Mrs. Dalloway's bookstore (2904 College Ave, in Elmwood; 510.704.8222)

In football, as in life, the value we place on people changes with the rules of the games they play. The young man at the center of this extraordinary and moving story will one day be among the most highly paid athletes in the National Football League. When we first meet him, he is one of thirteen children by a mother addicted to crack; he does not know his real name, his father, his birthday, or any of the things a child might learn in school-such as, say, how to read or write. Nor has he ever touched a football. What changes? He takes up football, and school, after a rich, Evangelical, Republican family plucks him from the mean streets. Their love is the first great force that alters the world's perception of the boy, whom they adopt. The second force is the evolution of professional football itself into a game where the quarterback must be protected at any cost. Our protagonist turns out to be the priceless combination of size, speed, and agility necessary to guard the quarterback's greatest vulnerability: his blind side.

In addition to writing bestselling books Michael Lewis writes regularly for the New York Times Magazine and Bloomberg News. He lives in Berkeley.

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Dec 5, 2006 11:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

mlbtraderumors
"The Rockies aren't left with many options for CF.  If they don't get Lofton, it could be such studs as Darin Erstad or Steve Finley."

Not really relevant to anything A's, but Kotsay for Jennings sounded interesting in my mind and I thought I'd bring it up.

there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Dec 5, 2006 11:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jennings would cost more than that
and the Rockies are still trying to sign him to an extension. I don't care much who the A's would get back, just as long as the other team took on the bulk (better yet, all) of Kotsay's remaining contract.
This guy is dead! We'll list him as day-to-day for possible reincarnation.
A's Medical Staff, 2006

by grover on Dec 5, 2006 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe someone like Aaron Cook then
Or a package added to Kotsay.

But, really, either way, as you point out, ditching Kotsay (and his salary) would be a plus in and of itself at this point. Perhaps the Rox would bite.

there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Dec 5, 2006 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem
Who the heck would want Kotsay on their team at any price? If I were Colorado, I'd give up Jennings to not have Kotsay. No offense intended to any Mark Kotsay fans out there.

by yarky on Dec 5, 2006 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BtB's Improvement/Decline Ratings
Pitchers
Notables:
RSAA: Runs Saved Against Average
(Negative - bad)
Ted Lilly
  1. -1.14
  2. 1.54
Diff: 1.54

Joe Blanton

  1. 0.98
  2. -0.42
Diff: -1.40

Tim Hudson

  1. 0.89
  2. -0.49
Diff: -1.39

Predicted ERA
(Negative - good)

Vicente Padilla

  1. 5.39
  2. 4.27
Diff: -1.12

Ted Lilly

  1. 5.44
  2. 4.82
Diff: -0.62

Dontrelle Willis

  1. 3.07
  2. 4.31
Diff: 1.24

Kirk Saarloos

  1. 4.52
  2. 5.64
Diff: 1.12

Hitters
OWP: Offensive Winning Percentage
Notables:
Mark Teahen

  1. .393
  2. .602
Diff: .209

Scott Hatteberg

  1. .354
  2. .534
Diff: .180

Jermaine Dye

  1. .561
  2. .704
Diff: .143

Nick Swisher

  1. .487
  2. .610
Diff: .123

Mark Ellis

  1. .628
  2. .409
Diff: -.219

Bobby Crosby

  1. .535
  2. .320
Diff: -.215

Matt Stairs

  1. .596
  2. .435
Diff: -.161
BigLeagueChoo: rerish noooo

Tony Romo > You

by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 12:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
Compared with the other egregious contracts, $10 mil a year for one of the better lefties available doesn't sound that bad.
BigLeagueChoo: rerish noooo

Tony Romo > You

by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a sec...
"It's imperative we get one [starter] at least," Hendry told the Tribune. "In a perfect world, I can paint a scenario where it would be very good to get two if it was two from a group that we would prefer. ... We wouldn't rule out the possibility of Neal starting.

Does he mean Neal Cotts?

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Cotts got traded
to the Cubbies for David Aardsma and a minor-leaguer (link).

Just for old time's sake, lets remember that he was a former Athletic:

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Dec 5, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought.
I'm just surprised since he's been a LOOGY, and (I thought, anyway) has terrible righty/lefty splits.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To counter a prevailing current....
This guy and his commenters are wise indeed.  Anyone agree?  Anyone?

by mikeA on Dec 5, 2006 2:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not me
I take it as proof positive that just about everyone criticizes everything they can these days.  Will Ferrell is outrageously funny.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the best free agent signing of the offseason
was actually not a free agent.

Cardinals extend Carpenter's contract for 5 years, $63.5 million

Less than $13 mill a year for Carpenter, and Zito stands to get over $16?  Huge props to Jocketty.

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Dec 5, 2006 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly
The Cardinals already had Carpenter under contract for $7M in 2007 and had a team option on him for $8M for 2008.  They basically signed him to a 3 year extension from 2009-2011 for $16.5M per year.  That's a risky move to make when you already have a pitcher cheap for the next two years...

by Danny on Dec 5, 2006 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Jones
The part of the Manny-to-Seattle discussion that interested me is that one of the scenarios includes sending Adam Jones out. Is he available? Can we get him?  I think he'd be a great pick-up for the A's.
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Dec 5, 2006 4:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else
think that this offseason is just ridiculous? I mean, when they state that Lilly and Meche are getting 10M a year offers I just shake my head. I understand that is baseball and that it is the demand, but what the jebus! I never imagined Lilly getting 10 million a year. Again, all I can do is shake my head.

by asyouwish33 on Dec 5, 2006 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drew $14 mil per year?!!
Did anybody alive see his baserunning flub in the
playoffs!?! This guy does not know how to play! Tony
LaRussa couldn't even get him to compete on a
consistent level!

I do not know if any of the teams are going to make
much money this year with player salaries going up
and attendance going down. These numbers are
absolutely ridiculous. Is Paul Allen making these
decisions?

I bet Wolff and Beane are just dying from
watching these numbers. I expect next year to be
very pedestrian as the A's are just saving money for
the new stadium. They cannot compete with these
crazy free agent signings. I guess it will be that
much more satisfying to see Milton Bradley and
Nick Swish to outplay all of these frauds!!

Let's GO OAKLAND!!!

by OaktownRajah on Dec 5, 2006 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Big deal
Players are getting more money because teams have more money. Oakland's revenues should be up too. Get with it.

by yarky on Dec 5, 2006 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are ticket prices going up too?
Thats just great...
Let's GO OAKLAND!!!

by OaktownRajah on Dec 5, 2006 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at what point will fans
understand that they are the ones paying for these salaries?  Never, I guess.  

by china bob on Dec 6, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to fall well short
of the coveted 100-post threshold, unless Beane pulls off a deal for Manny Ramirez in the next couple of hours.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

unless
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

resort
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

to
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

gratuitous
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

underhand
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

padding
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

techniques
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

would
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that?
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to particpate in this sham of a DLD.
Ha ha! Charade you are!

Doh!

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Dec 6, 2006 6:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're nearly a laugh
In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Dec 6, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but you're really a cry
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 6, 2006 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

beats
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

me
"Even if you know the deck is stacked in your favor, you still have to have the discipline to trust the math and the cojones to go to the ATM." BB

by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

piazza ... again.
piazza is ON THE VERGE of signing with the A's.
Oakland moved closer to signing Mike Piazza to serve as the Athletics' designated hitter. Texas was still involved, according to one source with knowledge of the negotiations, but Piazza could sign with the Athletics as early as Wednesday or Thursday.

link

by gotgreen on Dec 5, 2006 7:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

more rumors!
Mets' Milledge, A's Blanton possible swap: Oakland assistant GM David Forst was asked about a rumored deal that would sent A's right-hander Joe Blanton to the Mets for outfielder Lastings Milledge: "We haven't had specific conversations about players. [GM] Billy [Beane] has talked to [Mets GM] Omar [Minaya] several times, mainly because Omar likes to make deals, but we haven't discussed any specific deals."

When asked if the A's would he hesitant to trade starting pitching, Forst said: "We would be open to any deal if it made sense."

link

by gotgreen on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

HOLY CRAP.
Please do that deal RIGHT NOW if they're offering it.  We can have Mark Kotsay pitch if need be.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My god!
If that rumor actually happens... wow. The price went from Zito at midseason to Blanton now. Didn't know outfielders like Milledge could be had at the clearance rack.
BigLeagueChoo: rerish noooo

Tony Romo > You

by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is that really so one sided?
-3 months zito for milledge and heilman
-3 years blanton for milledge after he puts up a .689 ops
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 5, 2006 9:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think so
Milledge's most important statistic is 21.  He should have an awful lot of room left to grow.  He hasn't really developed big-time power yet, but that should come.

Last year at Norfolk (AAA):

.277/.388/.440/.828, 7HR, 36 RBI in 360 ABs.

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 6, 2006 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a prudent choice.
But it makes me no less pathologically excited about the prospect of Lastings Milledge in an A's uniform.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forst's comments
Sounds like the standard line given to any reporter by A's managment. If thats the line they always give, no wonder there are so few rumors about the A's: you can't get any useful information out of them.
"First in War, First in Peace, Last in the American League" ~ Washington Senators

by RexH on Dec 5, 2006 8:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah right.
The New York Mets might bow out of the bidding for pitcher Barry Zito, a high-ranking Mets official said, if they consummate a deal for Oakland Athletics pitcher Rich Harden. The Mets, the official said, are having talks about Harden for outfielder Lastings Milledge and a prospect.

Somebody mixed up Blanton and Harden.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Dec 6, 2006 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you mix those two up...
do you get cupcakes that harden quickly?
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Dec 6, 2006 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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