DLD 12/5/06--Young, Rich, and Left-Handed
Naturally, this diary is about our pitching coach, and the incredible effect he will have on the maturation of Rich Harden and Joe Kennedy into the quality starters we'll need to compete next year.
In other young, rich, and left-handed news, Barry Zito is rapidly becoming the belle of the ball at this year's winter meetings. As we all know by now, the Rangers are very serious about landing Tony Danza's worst nightmare. They are rumored to have made an incredibly rich offer of six years and $102M, which would be hard for any other team to match. Other teams are still very interested, nonetheless--the Mariners are rumored to have also entered the Zito sweepstakes:
"How could we not be interested in a guy like that?" a club insider asked Monday at the outset of baseball's winter meetings. "When you look at the ages, if the money is equal, you'd want to go with the younger guy."Of course, the money isn't going to be equal. Schmidt is looking for about $15 million and a four-year deal. The deal agent Scott Boras is trying to get for Zito is for more money and for as many as six years.
Boras and Zito met Thursday in Arlington, Texas, with the Rangers brass. Zito hasn't come to pay a similar call in Seattle -- yet. But he could.
Boras reportedly told the Rangers that the Mariners were strong players in the Zito derby. That's unquestionably a negotiating ploy -- Boras is famous for those.
Late last night, Boras also met with the Mets to discuss Zito. According to this Rotoworld note, specific dollars were not discussed. Money-wise, Seattle and Texas have a distinct advantage over the Mets--the lack of a state income tax. Just for fun, let's assume that the baseline for Zito is 6 years and $90M, rumored to be his asking price. If the Rangers really overbid to the tune of $2M per year, and Seattle and the Mets meet the baseline, this is what he actually gets:
Seattle: 6/90 = $15M per
New York: 6/90 less 6.85% = $13.9725M per
Texas: 6/102 = $17M per
Zito would be leaving an awful lot of money on the table compared to Texas, and more than a million per year compared to Seattle, if he signed with the Mets. I don't think this can be dismissed out-of-hand when your agent is Scott Boras.
I hope the Mets step up their offer, so we don't have to see our direct competition strengthened by the addition of Zito, even if it weakens them financially.
Meanwhile, Anaheim is rumored to be targeting Braves' first-baseman Adam LaRoche in a potential deal that could include Chone Figgins and a pitcher. It looks like the Angels are more likely to upgrade at the corner infield through trade than the free-agent market--Arizona wants to talk to them about a Chad Tracy for Joe Saunders deal as well. I trust Bill Stonewall to hem and haw, and eventually pull no triggers, like he always does. I don't know why the D-Backs are down on Tracy, but I wouldn't mind Beane making a phone call on that guy.
In case you hadn't yet heard, three-way Manny Ramirez trades are being discussed. The Sox want a closer. One permutation involves the Giants and the Nationals (with Chad Cordero involved), and the other involves the Giants and Mariners, which is predictably inciting vigorous discussion at Lookout Landing.
Oh yeah--this is an A's blog, isn't it? Well, there's nothing new; they're still likely to get Piazza and Embree.
Who will make Barry Zito rich? How good are th Rangers, Angels, and Mariners going to make themselves for next year? Will the A's do anything? Stay tuned for updates as they become available.
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Zito
by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
by sslinger on Dec 5, 2006 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets try to focus on winning this thing
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 5, 2006 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if those prospects...
by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandwich pick
by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would
How would it be the Mets' third-round pick, though, rather than their second-round pick?
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It probably is
by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With compensation, do we get Texas, original pick
First-Round Picks
- Devil Rays
- Royals
- Cubs
- Pirates
- Orioles
- Nationals
- Brewers
- Rockies
- Diamondbacks
- Giants
- Mariners
- Marlins
- Indians
- Braves
- Reds
- Blue Jays (Frank Catalanotto, A, to Tex)
- Rangers (Carlos Lee, A, to Hou)
- Cardinals
- Phillies
- Red Sox
- Blue Jays
- Dodgers
- Padres
- Rangers (Gary Matthews Jr., A, to LAA)
- White Sox
- Athletics
- Tigers
- Twins
- Giants (Moises Alou, A, to NYM)
- Yankees
by theblackpearl on Dec 5, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pick #16
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They would get the Rangers pick
by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Selig's grand kids pulled names out
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 5, 2006 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, probably just as accurate in some cases
by Miggy on Dec 5, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alou has been a heck of a player, when healthy ...
He's the #3 ranked FA, behind Alou and Glavine (who re-signed) so the Mets are the only team for whom we won't have the highest priority of compensation picks.
by devo on Dec 5, 2006 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am no expert on the picks but.....
by jacobo2u on Dec 5, 2006 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Type B
by gatling on Dec 5, 2006 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roast beef on rye.
by salb918 on Dec 5, 2006 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toothpick.
by McFood on Dec 5, 2006 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas will only net us a Suplemental, which by
- Cubs (Juan Pierre, B, to LAD)
- Nationals (Alfonso Soriano, A, to ChC)
- Diamondbacks (Craig Counsell, B, to Mil)
- Giants (Alou)
- Braves (Danys Baez, A, to Bal)
- Reds (Rich Aurilia, A, to SF)
- Rangers (Lee)
- Phillies (David Dellucci, A, to Cle)
- Red Sox (Alex Gonzalez, B, to Cin)
- Blue Jays (Catalanotto)
- Padres (Dave Roberts, A, to SF)
- Angels (Adam Kennedy, B, to StL)
- Athletics (Frank Thomas, B, to Tor)
- Tigers (Jamie Walker, B, to Bal)
- Mets (Chad Bradford, A, to Bal)
- Giants (Mike Stanton, B, to Cin)
- Rangers (Matthews)
- Blue Jays (Justin Speier, A, to LAA)
- Padres (Woody Williams, A, to Hou)
- Mets (Roberto Hernandez, A, to Cle)
- Rangers (Mark DeRosa, B, to ChC)
- Diamondbacks (have yet to sign 2006 first-rounder Max Scherzer)
by theblackpearl on Dec 5, 2006 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would also love
-Nick Swisher
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 5, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a pitcher who'll walk two guys...
by Ozzz on Dec 5, 2006 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas and Zito
Millwood, Zito, Padilla, some other guys.
Thats a nice top 3 in the rotation. I think Texas should do it-they have proven they can move big contracts if it doesnt work out after two years.
by apilgrim on Dec 5, 2006 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Texas' Payroll
That's not to say being an innings eater is a bad thing, it's just that $17 million is not only not worth it, but is so much that it will likely be damaging to the Ranger's future like the A-Rod deal was.
by Threepwood XX on Dec 5, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many cities/states tax players for visiting?
Does anyone know if this is a standard practice or just something we made up while watching the rain wishing for MLB? Also, at least in Zito's case, I imagine he would have to severe all official ties to CA or else they would want to collect tax on all income he made while a resident regardless of which state he was earning in.
Mmm... tax discussion, I expect a lot of replies and interest in this post.
by portoakland on Dec 5, 2006 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Most of them, I think
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 5, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Standard practice
Usually there's a threshold amount and if you make less than that you don't have to file -- for Calif in 2005, for a single individual with no dependents, it was $13,085 -- but I'm pretty sure Barry Zito is going to be over that.
For the state where you're a resident, you report all your income no matter where you make it, but there's a mechanism to deduct it if it's taxed in another state, so that you don't end up paying two states for the same income. That means if you live in an income tax state, you still pay your home state's tax for away games in a state with no income tax. But if you live in a no-tax state, you're off the hook for home games as well as games in another no-tax state.
The tax return for a professional athlete would be pretty complicated, since he'd have to file 10 or 12 state returns (plus Ontario and Canada). And since he works on a contract over the season, there's the matter of how to apportion the income among the states. Each state has regulations guiding that, and they're not all the same.
But if you're making a million bucks a year, you can afford to hire an accountant to do your taxes.
by iglew on Dec 5, 2006 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Lewis in Berkeley Thursday evening
Join Michael Lewis, author of Moneyball, Coach, The New New Thing, and Liar's Poker, who will talk about his latest book The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game (Norton, $24.95), with Michael Pollan.
Thursday, December 7, 7:30 p.m, Mrs. Dalloway's bookstore (2904 College Ave, in Elmwood; 510.704.8222)
In football, as in life, the value we place on people changes with the rules of the games they play. The young man at the center of this extraordinary and moving story will one day be among the most highly paid athletes in the National Football League. When we first meet him, he is one of thirteen children by a mother addicted to crack; he does not know his real name, his father, his birthday, or any of the things a child might learn in school-such as, say, how to read or write. Nor has he ever touched a football. What changes? He takes up football, and school, after a rich, Evangelical, Republican family plucks him from the mean streets. Their love is the first great force that alters the world's perception of the boy, whom they adopt. The second force is the evolution of professional football itself into a game where the quarterback must be protected at any cost. Our protagonist turns out to be the priceless combination of size, speed, and agility necessary to guard the quarterback's greatest vulnerability: his blind side.
In addition to writing bestselling books Michael Lewis writes regularly for the New York Times Magazine and Bloomberg News. He lives in Berkeley.
by gigglingone on Dec 5, 2006 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors
Not really relevant to anything A's, but Kotsay for Jennings sounded interesting in my mind and I thought I'd bring it up.
by walk off bunt on Dec 5, 2006 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jennings would cost more than that
by grover on Dec 5, 2006 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone like Aaron Cook then
But, really, either way, as you point out, ditching Kotsay (and his salary) would be a plus in and of itself at this point. Perhaps the Rox would bite.
by walk off bunt on Dec 5, 2006 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One problem
by yarky on Dec 5, 2006 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BtB's Improvement/Decline Ratings
Notables:
RSAA: Runs Saved Against Average
(Negative - bad)
Ted Lilly
- -1.14
- 1.54
Joe Blanton
- 0.98
- -0.42
Tim Hudson
- 0.89
- -0.49
Predicted ERA
(Negative - good)
Vicente Padilla
- 5.39
- 4.27
Ted Lilly
- 5.44
- 4.82
Dontrelle Willis
- 3.07
- 4.31
Kirk Saarloos
- 4.52
- 5.64
Hitters
OWP: Offensive Winning Percentage
Notables:
Mark Teahen
- .393
- .602
Scott Hatteberg
- .354
- .534
Jermaine Dye
- .561
- .704
Nick Swisher
- .487
- .610
Mark Ellis
- .628
- .409
Bobby Crosby
- .535
- .320
Matt Stairs
- .596
- .435
by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea how the post came out so...
by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$40 million, four years for Ted Lilly??? WTF?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16060089/
by MJB on Dec 5, 2006 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by JLaff on Dec 5, 2006 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a sec...
Does he mean Neal Cotts?
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Cotts got traded
Just for old time's sake, lets remember that he was a former Athletic: 
by salb918 on Dec 5, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought.
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To counter a prevailing current....
by mikeA on Dec 5, 2006 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the best free agent signing of the offseason
Cardinals extend Carpenter's contract for 5 years, $63.5 million
Less than $13 mill a year for Carpenter, and Zito stands to get over $16? Huge props to Jocketty.
by rubin sierra on Dec 5, 2006 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly
by Danny on Dec 5, 2006 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones
by iglew on Dec 5, 2006 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Drew to the Sox is finalized...
by CyZito on Dec 5, 2006 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else
by asyouwish33 on Dec 5, 2006 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew $14 mil per year?!!
playoffs!?! This guy does not know how to play! Tony
LaRussa couldn't even get him to compete on a
consistent level!
I do not know if any of the teams are going to make
much money this year with player salaries going up
and attendance going down. These numbers are
absolutely ridiculous. Is Paul Allen making these
decisions?
I bet Wolff and Beane are just dying from
watching these numbers. I expect next year to be
very pedestrian as the A's are just saving money for
the new stadium. They cannot compete with these
crazy free agent signings. I guess it will be that
much more satisfying to see Milton Bradley and
Nick Swish to outplay all of these frauds!!
by OaktownRajah on Dec 5, 2006 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Big deal
by yarky on Dec 5, 2006 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are ticket prices going up too?
by OaktownRajah on Dec 5, 2006 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at what point will fans
by china bob on Dec 6, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to fall well short
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
unless
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
resort
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gratuitous
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
underhand
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
padding
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
techniques
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that?
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to particpate in this sham of a DLD.
Doh!
by McFood on Dec 6, 2006 6:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're nearly a laugh
by andeux on Dec 6, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but you're really a cry
by green star oakland on Dec 6, 2006 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
beats
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me
by green star oakland on Dec 5, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
piazza ... again.
by gotgreen on Dec 5, 2006 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
more rumors!
When asked if the A's would he hesitant to trade starting pitching, Forst said: "We would be open to any deal if it made sense."
by gotgreen on Dec 5, 2006 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HOLY CRAP.
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is that really so one sided?
-3 years blanton for milledge after he puts up a .689 ops
by xbhaskarx on Dec 5, 2006 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
Last year at Norfolk (AAA):
.277/.388/.440/.828, 7HR, 36 RBI in 360 ABs.
by jeepers on Dec 6, 2006 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't believe any deal involving the A's
by OaklandSi on Dec 5, 2006 7:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is a prudent choice.
by jeepers on Dec 5, 2006 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forst's comments
by RexH on Dec 5, 2006 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Harden to the Mets?
by jubjub on Dec 6, 2006 8:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah right.
Somebody mixed up Blanton and Harden.
by salb918 on Dec 6, 2006 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you mix those two up...
by McFood on Dec 6, 2006 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor detail
by jeepers on Dec 6, 2006 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or whichever other holiday you may
by devo on Dec 11, 2006 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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