Do They Only Scout From A-Y?
Now before you feel compelled to remind me, let me acknowledge that I am fully aware this is an A's blog and not a Yankees blog. It's actually quite easy for me to remember, because the A's are the team I adore and the Yankees are the team I abhor. But the Zito negotiations, from the start, have had me waiting and wondering about the Yankees--and whether it was really possible that they would stay silent to the end.
With the A's, the thought process behind their silence was clear: Zito will command about 1.5 times what we can afford to pay him, so we'll turn our attention elsewhere. But while Zito was wining with the Rangers, dining with the Mets, and signing with the Giants, you just never heard about the Yankees having the slightest bit of interest in making Zito an offer. Which is especially strange in light of the fact that:
* So far in his career, when his team has scored 4 runs for him Zito has won 95.5% of the time, which statisticians tell me is quite often. The Yankees usually score about 4 runs for breakfast, then head out to the ballpark to consider adding a few more. A nice fit, n'est-ce pas?
* While lefties may be ill-suited to Fenway Park, they are well matched to the spacious left-center field confines of Yankee Stadium. Even Zito's signature "hanging changeup" is apt to find an outfielder's glove in the Bronx. Heck, the Yankees were so keen on adding left-handed starters that after the Astros took Andy Pettitte, aged him, broke him, and then returned him older, damaged, and without the original receipt, the Yankees took him back anyway. But they never showed any interest in Barry Zito?
What exactly does it take for a pitcher to be deemed worthy by the Yankees? Apparently Al Leiter was good enough, even though the Yankees signed him at a time when Leiter's commentary was far sharper than his slider. Jaret Wright was thought to warrant an expensive contract just in case he figured out, for the first time, how to get major league hitters out. In 2005, the Yankees were prepared to go exactly as far in the playoffs as Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon could take them--and what do you know, it wasn't all that far.
Hmm...A healthy, 28-year old left-hander who will win 19 games every 20 times you give him four runs to work with. And the Yankees declined to share bids with the likes of Texas and San Francisco? Okey dokey then.
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wining, dining, signing
Nico----
"But the Yankees apparently had a last-ditch chance to negotiate with the former Oakland ace. According to a source familiar with the conversation, Zito's father, Joe, called the Yankees and said if the team offered $17 million per year for seven years, his son would like to sign with them. The Yankees declined, the source said."
by bigmacattack @ Athletics Nation on Dec 29, 2006 8:36 AM PST reply actions
They didn't want that many ex-A's players
yeah, they
by rubin sierra on Dec 29, 2006 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
You should find that LaRussa
yup
by rubin sierra on Dec 30, 2006 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I think
And Jaret Wright was paid $7 mil a year by the Yankees. Compared to the $17 mil it would have taken to get Zito, I would consider it relatively inexpensive. I do agree that the Leiter and Pettite signings are curious in light of the unwillingness to even negotiate with Zito. It could just be that the Yankees think they can outscore everyone and, with their offense, their starting pitching is good enough.
by IndianaAsfan on Dec 29, 2006 8:47 AM PST reply actions
Moreover
I'd hesitate to say he dodged a bullet, as I don't think the Giants situation is a particularly good one either, Zito on the Yankees had disaster written all over it, in my opinion.
And for what it's worth (probably not much), there were a few rumors in the last couple days that the Yankees were going to pursue Zito if they dealt Randy Johnson.
The absense of a but
I'd hesitate to say he dodged a bullet, as I don't think the Giants situation is a particularly good one either, BUT Zito on the Yankees had disaster written all over it, in my opinion.
The absence of a but
by rolliedigits on Dec 29, 2006 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Better too little than too much
-Cindi.
Ain't no such thing as too much
My anaconda don't want none
by ChucklesSD on Dec 29, 2006 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Zito would've been miserable
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 29, 2006 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
You forgot to mention...
by 66th ave tailgatter on Dec 29, 2006 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
Maybe
After I wrote this
by BlameChannel53 on Dec 29, 2006 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Yankees are going in a different direction...
Their moves indicate they are sick of paying luxury tax to help fund their competitor's success.
Everything the Yankees have been doing - the Sheffield trade for elite prospects, preserving their own blue chippers, the avoidandance of middling free agents that would cost them their own draft picks - it all indicates they are operating differently and not as willing to overpay guys who are past their prime.
It's a scary thought - now they are both the wealthiest team and they are being operated with an intelligent approach.
They have the cash to take on salary dumps like Abreu and the smarts to keep their young guys and draft picks.
by notsellingjeans on Dec 29, 2006 9:42 AM PST reply actions
As the luxury tax escalates...
by notsellingjeans on Dec 29, 2006 9:50 AM PST reply actions
95.5%
it could be because...
Bottom line: Zito's not that outstanding a pitcher, and he'll be changing his charity to "Walks For Troops" in roughly 2009. The "95.5%" figure is Boras marketing, since it glosses over all those times that Zito got pulled early. If Zito gives up 5 runs, we all know that the A's are incapable of scoring 4 runs by the time he gets the hook.
"Wright had a good offseason"
by stinkycheese on Dec 29, 2006 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
How can anyone
Good points, Nico...
But, yes, as stadiums and team offenses go, the Yankees were a really good fit for Zito.
I think even the Yankees realized
So who did? A team that gave Rich Aurilia, Ray Durham, and Dave Roberts multi-year deals.
by fadedash on Dec 29, 2006 10:12 AM PST reply actions
15-2
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=260403111
I said then that Barry cost himself a lot of money, although apparently Brian Sabean was watching something else that night.
short-term memory
by stinkycheese on Dec 29, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I knew that was going to happen
Jeter would have
No
He would have thrown A-Rod
And then the New York fans would have cheered
As Cashman signed the bus driver,
Quality Starts
I just suspect the need to lift him for a pinch hitter is going to nullify much of his effectiveness. Yes, he will make his 35 starts and give you 200 innings but once again, how much value will he provide in the big picture when his sky high pitch counts and slow starts will often dictate that he be lifted in the 6th inning of games for a pinch hitter.
by mwhit on Dec 29, 2006 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just look at starting against the A's
Zito either lasts 6 innings, or gets yanked in the 6th with a couple runners on (likely leading to an unimpressive line of 5.2 IP, 3ER). Either way, the A's have the 7th inning against a mediocre reliever and the 8th inning against someone not good enough to supplant Armando Benitez.
Final score: 5-3 A's. In the post-game interview, Zito reflects back on his performance and says he realizes he should have challenged the hitters a bit more.
i dunno about that
it's not like these guys have practiced over the past 6 years how to hit a barry zito curveball.
it's going to take a couple of starts against him before they can gear in on him.
by fadedash on Jan 1, 2007 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Here's why: The Yankees are stupid...
speak the truth 'oz
by bigelephant on Dec 29, 2006 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
n'est-ce pas
You are correct, nescafe?
Victor Zambrano?
Time for new subject.
by Salvatore on Dec 30, 2006 5:52 AM PST reply actions
that's too dangerous a nickname
by vk on Dec 30, 2006 7:12 PM PST up reply actions


























