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This is goodbye, for now.

To my friends of AN, I'll be leaving you for about 573 days starting the first week in January. I'll be doing two years (minus good time credit) at a federal prison camp for minimum security offenders.  I got indicted for mdma related charges back in 2004, plead guilty in 2005, finally got sentenced to 24 months in 2006, and I'll start serving my time in 2007 -- a long process that now has it's end in sight.

Although I live in the Bay Area, I'll be doing my time about 1000 miles from here, so I'm sure A's news (and discussion) will be close to nill.  I'll keep an eye on box scores and I'll be cursing Bobby Crosby as much as possible, but staying in touch with AN will be near impossible.  baseballgirl has been kind enough to serve as a liaison to A's stuff and to you guys for me while I'm "inside".  She promises to print out some of your better discussions and mail them to me (I won't have email or internet access); I may get cute and write a dairy or two with my unquestionable insights into A's baseball </sarcasm> that could get scanned and posted, we'll see.  If you feel like writing me while I'm in, you can email me between now and January 5th and I'll give you my new temporary address, or you can ask baseballgirl after that, she'll have my mailing address.

One last thing; I haven't really been able to participate on AN much since we lost in the playoffs...  Some of you were very offended by a comment I made about Cory Lidle after we learned of his death -- I wanted to apologize to those people for being insensitive and crass, obviously there is a time and a place for that kind of humor, and while it may be my style, I shouldn't have posted it here.  Please accept my sincere apology.  

Take care AN.  I'll be out toward the end of the 2008 season, and I expect big things for our little team. I'll keep up my passionate fan hood, at least until they move to the suburbs and I abandon them like a bad real estate deal.

Merry Christmas - eamb

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Tough break
Tough break, CA outsourcing prison services to Idaho isn't helping. I will pray you stay safe and your future improves.

by apilgrim on Dec 24, 2006 5:27 PM PST reply actions  

mdma?
misdemeanor assault charge?

by apilgrim on Dec 24, 2006 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

do a google or wikipedia search
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 24, 2006 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

wow
showing my age not knowing what mdma is.

by apilgrim on Dec 24, 2006 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That's OK
I went ahead and linked the Wiki page for it.
"so... I'll take that as 'none of your business'" ~ ArakSOT

by eamb on Dec 24, 2006 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry to hear it
You guys have pretty ridiculous drug laws in CA as i understand it. Likely there's no way you'd do time up here in Canada for a bit of e.

Best of luck.

And if you are allowed posters in there, let me know and i can make anything you want custom.

Merry fuckin' Christmas, eh?

-Pat

the mind is a terrible thing to taste.

by easyrichboy on Dec 24, 2006 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

Charges were federal, not state.
Thanks for the offer -- I have no idea what I'm allowed at this point.
"so... I'll take that as 'none of your business'" ~ ArakSOT

by eamb on Dec 24, 2006 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

ok
Assuming yer talking weight. You pleased or displeased with result?

The offer stands.

Let me know.

the mind is a terrible thing to taste.

by easyrichboy on Dec 24, 2006 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

War on drugs.....what a crock.
Good luck in there eamb.
"Schleep is for babies. Gamers play all night." Nintendo Fanactic

by capper3 on Dec 24, 2006 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck eamb and stay safe.
Hopefully our 'little team' will do you proud!

by gilaASfan on Dec 24, 2006 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck eamb.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Dec 24, 2006 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Hey, good luck.
Have you ever done any time before?  Glad to hear that your going to a minimum security facility.  Just an FYI, if anyone offers to give you stuff when you first get there, DO NOT ACCEPT IT under any circumstances. Make damn sure that you do not owe anyone anything at anytime.  You should do fine as long as you follow that creed and mind your own business.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 24, 2006 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

No, this will be my first stint
I think that's all good advice -- trust me, I researched the daylights out of this, and you're right on point with that.  I'll be OK.
"so... I'll take that as 'none of your business'" ~ ArakSOT

by eamb on Dec 24, 2006 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope it's your first and last
stint.  Not many things suck as much as doing time.  It's not a natural condition for a human being to be in.  Interestingly enough, as long as you stay in minimum security, you will have more difficulty with parole than you do with your actual custody time.  But thats a helluva lot better problem to have.  Good luck to you, and I look forward to seeing you on this site again.  Hopefully early in 2008 if not sooner.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 24, 2006 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Worse even than Macha's pen management
Hang tough eamb.  Your stretch'll be less time than you've already spent on this ordeal.  I had a friend  who did three years at Allenwood minimum federal penon a drug rap years ago.  He said it was way less awful than he'd feared.  Best of luck.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 24, 2006 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck to you, sir.
I've always enjoyed having you around here, and will miss your sense of humor and HTML wizardry.  I look forward to you gracing the board once again when you're back.  Send me that mailing address, if you don't mind.  

Best,
jeepers

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 24, 2006 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Been missing your contributions lately,
and wondered what was up.  Really bummed to hear the news.  We'll all look forward to seeing you back in it around playoff time in '08.

by sslinger on Dec 24, 2006 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

all I want for Christmas is legalization
The War on Recreational Drug Users, aka War on Drugs, is an absolute disaster.  Taking a punitive rather than rehabilitative approach for non-violent drug offenders has only led to this country having the highest incarceration rate in the world, and hasn't succeeded in reducing drug use one bit.  I have a feeling the current administration would sooner declare the more conventional war we're embroiled in to be a failure than this one; <controversial-but-obvious statement alert> the death of the young white Republican male (stereotypical soldier) is of infinitely greater concern to the powers that be than the death, whether it be physical or psychological, of the member of a minority group, impacting generations to come.  Anytime the speech writers for "middle initial between V and X" would tug on the heartstrings of the American citizenry with a well-placed anecdote about a person who sacrificed his life for a misguided cause, I'm always reminded of the many being forced to sacrifice their lives for another misguided cause.  But, as a certain famous Russian totalitarian leader once said, the death of one os a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic.

Meanwhile, the oil and prison-building industries continue to grow.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 25, 2006 4:06 AM PST reply actions  

When ever or where ever governments restrict...
...the desires and wants of the people -- so long as the wants of the people do not directly interfere with the wants of others -- there will be failure.  Come to think of it, there will be 'statistics' too.  

Also, deaths are regretable when they are premature but my own personal sympathies are more favorable to those people who make choices that reflect behaviors that I would have engaged in myself.  I would prefer to have a society with drug legalization but I would personally like to see people excercize some wisom in avoiding drugs.  Therefore, I -- like the evil bastards that make up "the powers that be" -- are more greatly concerned with those that meet death early and that have the higher degree of innocence in tact...my own preference, of course.

If we had only given the weapons inspectors more time so that Hussien would have been given more time to comply, then maybe the invasion of Iraq could have been avioded.  After all, Iraq was a lie and so were the UN Security Council Resolutions.  But, Afghanistan had a mandate that clearly existed...there were no resolutions and a 12-year history of non-compliance to ceasefire agreements.  Do you suppose that our unwillingness to get tough on Iraq much earlier may have caused some in Afghanistan to view us as a bunch of candy-asses?  Was this hypothetical view correct?  If so, is it still a correct view?

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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 26, 2006 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

In a word, no.
Militant fundamentalists would much rather have us be "candy-asses"...9/11 was a response to our power, not a perceived lack of it, or lack of willingness to exercise it.  If anything, it's the exact opposite sentiment that inspires attacks/attempted attacks: the fact that American power poses a threat to the destiny of Islam to reign.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 4:45 AM PST up reply actions  

well-wishing warranted a separate post
eamb, didn't want my good luck wishes to be buried under a social critique (critique has way too passive of a connotation for how I actually feel about this, but anyway...).  I actually remember you referring in passing to an impending prison term a while back, but thought maybe as you continued to post that you had reached some settlement that would keep you out, or something.  So good luck with the adjustment, and hopefully the restoration of freedom will come sooner rather than later.  
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 25, 2006 4:16 AM PST reply actions  

tough break, eamb
It's been fun having you on the site. Stay safe and we'll see you on the other end of your trip. And maybe sooner!

by Apricot on Dec 25, 2006 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Good luck, eamb.
Look forward to having you back on the flip side.
Candy Cane

by Ice Cream on Dec 25, 2006 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for everything guys
I really appreciate the sentiment.
"so... I'll take that as 'none of your business'" ~ ArakSOT

by eamb on Dec 25, 2006 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

Take care of yourself
we'll keep AN running and strong in your abscence.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 25, 2006 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Keep your chin up eamb
I too seem to recall you mentioning this a ways back...unless it was someone else.  Also was hoping it somehow worked out for you.

You will be back talking A's baseball with us before you know it brother.

There is a thought...what is AN going to look like in two years?

by easyraider on Dec 26, 2006 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

best wishes eamb
You'll be back before you know it.

And may all the ludicrous drug laws be repealed ASAP.

Do we really need an excuse for more cellphone usage at baseball games?

by emperor nobody on Dec 26, 2006 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

good luck and stay safe
I think that the war on drugs is a really sad joke but I will leave that out.

Good luck and stay safe.  This shall pass.  Keep your head up and know that you will get through this.

Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!

by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

What, exactly, are you leaving out?
I too think that it is a 'sad joke'.  What is even more saddening is that this 'joke' has many different deliveries but almost always the same pucnhline: that some segment of the population is inf___ingtolerant of your personal liberty and freedoms...and that they have decided that some behavior must limited or entirely erradicated, through the use of legislation, because they do not like the behavior.  

Far too many representatives feel as though they are not doing anything unless they make new legislation.  Just once I'd like to hear a politician say, "You know, we've really screwd this up here and we did not forsee the unintended consquences and costs.  We are going to repeal this particular legislation and, in the future, we are also going to look at other legislation that is not working."  That'll be the wise and honest SOB that'll get my vote...unfortunately, mine vote is probably one of only a handful that he or she would get.

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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 26, 2006 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I am leaving it out
because I would rather not get too overtly political on this board.
No other reason than that.
Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!

by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 26, 2006 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

The other side of the coin.
I agree with your sentiment concerning hyper legislation and the consequences thereof, but as far as the "war on drugs" goes, there is most definately another side of the coin.  While I am not going to pass judgement on eamb or further contribute to his misery, there are a couple of things I should point out.  It's not damn likely that the Feds picked up and prosecuted him because of simple possession.  That would have been a state matter.  Without knowing specifics, I would guess the matter involves manufacture/importation.  No matter, he is paying a heavy price for violating the written laws of the land.  He knew that going in.  Having said that, I have empathy for him.  In a way, he is a victim of the allure of drugs.  Trafficking promises a sweet payday with little effort but great consequences.  It's a siren song that is hard to resist if you find yourself in a position to make a little money.  And after all, it's easy to justify.  E involves kids partying and not really harming others as you have asserted.  For the most part it seems harmless....unless of course you are the emergency room physician who has to explain to Mrs. Jones that her 17 year old daughter is dead because she wanted to have fun.  No kid deserves to die like that.  And thats the damnable part of it.  

Also, have you ever seen a 40 year old junkie?  One who has destroyed almost every vein in his body that he now pushes heroin into his sexual organs?  And those have become abscessed and deformed.  They no longer function as intended, but he doesn't care because his bitch is a spike.  The same guy will tell you to your face that he curses the day he heard the word heroin, and if he could do it over again, he would just as soon not have been born.  Of course, by this point his time is almost up.  The best he can hope for is to die realatively easy, and if he's lucky a nurse or prison guard will take pity on him and hold his hand as he falls away to whatever awaits us all.  Because by now he has burned every friend a family member he ever had chasing his bitch.  

Legalization is a legitimate societal option to consider, I'll grant you that.  There may be certain benefits to the legalization of at least some controlled substances.  But be aware, that you may call a truce on your "war on drugs", but drugs will sure as hell not declare a truce on you or yours.  If they can, they will destroy those they first seduce.  It's in their nature.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 26, 2006 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is...
From my perspective anyway (I can't speak for Joe and his libertarian-bordering-on-anarchist views...I'm sure I just elicited a response with some cafehayek.com references with that characterization, heh), I'm usually going to say that the War on Drugs is well-intended in its aim but obviously misguided in its approach.  The 40-year-old junkie is not disappearing, from any street corner across the country.  eamb may have committed a more "serious" crime, as you pointed out (though I don't want to go any further speculating about that, not fair to eamb), but that would make him the exception to the majority, who are casual drug users.  I mean, hell, the declared top priority of the educational aspect of the WoD has been marijuana use...all while meth use has skyrocketed and destroyed many lives in every corner of the country except mine (the Northeast), where heroin and coke remain the drugs of choice.  At the same time, you have cities like Seattle and Denver all but legalizing pot possession, but the federal government is intent on locking up that very same demographic.  Horrible use of resources (and I don't have any numbers in front of me, but we're talking a lot of resources), and the effects have been negligible at best.  

Here's my closing question: have you ever seen a teenage kid on the street in the city selling drugs, almost always on behalf of a large underground operation?  I walk around downtown Buffalo at night, which outside of one thriving strip of bars is about as deserted a downtown area as you'll find, and I'll still probably get approached by a kid (or a man, but that's another story) offering me "snow" or what have you.  Yeah, it's pretty sad to see a kid sucked in to the unregulated drug market like that (see, I call for legalization with regulation...I don't know how Joe feels about that "r" word there)...he's lucky if he'll live to be a 40-year-old junkie.  Legalization would eliminate the drug trade as we know it, which is responsible for so much violence in this country...increased accessibility of "softer" drugs is definitely a trade worth making there.      

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 4:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess the assumption
I am fighting here is the one which goes "the WoD is total and complete failure".  Because the government has put so many resources into combating the scourge of addiction, how many young kids never picked up the habit?  How do you place a value on those young lives that were spared the agony of addiction because of government interdiction?  That there are some who benefitted from drug law enforcement goes with out saying....how many, I can't answer.  But they exist, and having witnessed first hand the destruction that illicit drugs can inflict on humanity, I say these people are worth the cost.  

I will concede that the resources devoted to eradicating marijuana use could wisely be put to better use combating meth.  However, where do you draw the line?  I would support regulation and growth of MJ in the States as long as such revenues generated were devoted to law enforcment efforts to eradicate Meth, Opiates, and other "hard core" drugs as well as the smuggling of drugs through our borders.

Your also right, there are not many 40 year old junkies.  They usually don't last that long.  But the story I mentioned is a true one.  For what it's worth, the guy died a short time later.  It was a lonely and pathetic death, and a needlessly horrible one.  Although he was a useless junkie at the end of his life, at one time he was someone's son.  I hold that his life was of more value than ensconcing libertarian values towards recreational drug use outside the laws of the nation.

Words and idea's have power and meaning.  There will be consequences that will affect people if drug use is condoned by society.  Human beings will be consigned to immense suffering, even those who do not partake.  Thats not a step to be taken lightly because a segement of society resents infringement on their personal liberties.  That's my two cents anyway.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 27, 2006 5:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Not where I'm coming from
My ideas and opinions change way too often for me to steadfastly advocate the application of any particular political doctrine.  I'm a registered Socialist who believes in Christ yet extols logic above all else...you try reconciling all three of those inclinations, because I sure can't.

But ideology isn't my chief concern here.  I'm sure at some point today Joe will be weighing in here; then you can deal with a true ideologue on this subject.  I'm just TRYING to look at this WoD campaign objectively, pragmatically.  From that point of view, I feel it is all but a complete failure.  You're fighting that assumption, but I'll fight your assumption that "government interdiction" has spared even a positive net total of young people "the scourge of addiction."  You're right, life is priceless.  Which is why it's so fucking frustrating to see waste of this magnitude, when lives COULD be saved much more effectively.  

You think government intervention is preventing young kids from even experimenting with drugs?  Given youthful contrarianism and the learn-the-hard-way mentality of people of any age, I don't think so.  And I'm almost ready to summon some data to buttress my case here...not yet, but almost.  In the gradual buildup of my passion, using caps lock is the first manifestation; having the motivation to do research is the second, heh.  Personal laziness and general, commonsensical observations of human nature aside, I have read articles that detail, painstakingly, the failure of the WoD to produce results.  If I'm not going to guide you to them, Google will.  

I really need you to elaborate on this puzzling but potentially thought-provoking sentence in the last paragraph: "Human beings will be consigned to immense suffering, even if they do not partake."  What kind of suffering do you envision for the non-users?  For the casual users?  Not everyone is predisposed by brain chemistry or prompted by circumstance to make the leap from occasional drug use to full-blown addiction.  The baby boomer generation survived the 70's, didn't they?

More to come on this topic I'm sure...  

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

A true ideologue...for liberty?
I'll not only take that, I'll fucking wear it with pride.
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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2006 6:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Consigned to suffering...
You throw a stone in the water and you will get concentric rings spreading thoughout the lake.  For every son or daughter who steps tentatively into drug experiementation, some will inevitably become condemned to addiction.  The affects this will have on their parents, siblings, and friends will be devestating.  You see it around you everyday.  If narcotics are readily available and can be pursued without legal recrimination, it stands to reason that more people will in fact pursue them.  Some out of curiosity, some to drown a painful event, pick any one of a myriad of reasons.  But once you take that step, you can't undo what is done.  Heaven have mercy if there are children involved.  They will grown up with the spectre of drug use throughout every phase of their life.  Like any mind altering substance, including alcohol, there will be consequences for the user as well as those exposed to him/her.  How many people have you seen do things under the influence that they never would have otherwise?  Here is where, for lack of a better word, perversion steps in, the twin sister of addiction.  Again, I say measure the cost carefully.  The world can be an ugly place.  The question that must be asked is whether it will be an uglier place with legalization or without?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 27, 2006 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Apples to oranges?
Yeah, maybe.  But, we need look no farther than America's stint with Prohibition to see what the costs were to banning a substance in three separate periods; before, during, and after.  Mind you, the two events dividing the three periods were precipitated by the very difficult to impliment (because of the super majorities needed) constitutional process.  That really tells me something about lessons being learned (or, in this case, not learned).
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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2006 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Not quite apples and oranges.
Alcohol was prevelant in society prior to Phohibition.  You can't take something from people and expect their attitudes to change accordingly.  Relatively speaking, there currently exists strong social opposition to heroin use, lsd use, cocaine use, et al as opposed to the consumption of alcohol.  Do we really want to break those social barriers down by legitimizing their use?  These laws work for the most part because society accepts them as legitimate.  Not so much with prohibition.  An interesting take is that organized crime became very influential as a result of phohibition.  Yet it did not disappear when prohibition was repealed.  And it certainly didn't shed it's propensity for violence once alcohol was restored to legal status.  That should dispel the notion that "violence" will decrease as a result of legalization.  Or so it seems to me.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 27, 2006 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The reason organized crime didn't disappear...
was because the mob turned from moonshine to controlling other then-illegal (and for the most part still illegal) potential vices such as gambling, prostitution, and, well, drugs.  Vegas, the epicenter for all three of those, was built by guys like Bugsy Siegel, who's just under Al Capone in the hierarchy of legendary American mob members, and other people affiliated with organized crime (Binion family, perhaps?); to this day, its leading politician (mayor Oscar Goodman) is known to have had ties to with organized crime.  (Despite the widespread acknowledgment of this fact, he appears to be cemented in that office indefinitely.  Even caught him on ESPN once talking enthusiastically about the prospects of Las Vegas being home to a major league team, likely from the MLB or NBA).

The regulation of gambling, from where I stand, is currently in a similar state of disarray to the regulation of drugs, although the approach being taken in regards to the former is almost diametrically opposed to the approach to the latter, even though both can have the same devastating impact on society.  While drug experimentation is at least being held constant, perhaps, by the WoD, internet gaming is prospering, with lots of young people being drawn in by the lure of quick cash here.  I've never been addicted to an illicit drug (though I've had my fair share of problems with legal ones), but I do have some experience in trying to ward off the similarly addictive rush of gambling (chemically, the high of gambling can trigger the same sort of dopamine rush as, say, cocaine).  Given the problems that are arising as a result of the proliferation of tribal casinos and online gaming, doesn't it seem a bit inconsistent to do little to curb the gaming industry, while doing a lot to futilely try to curb drug usage?  Personally, the occasional joint/bong hit never did me much harm; past addiction to gambling continues to haunt me to this day, in the form of panic/anxiety.

But one thing that can be said as gambling becomes increasingly legitimized in our society, both in practice and in attitude (it's been that way in the UK for some time now), is that the casual bettor doesn't really have a need for the baseball bat-wielding bookie anymore.  Unless you're taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from Harrah's by counting cards at high-stakes blackjack, you're probably not going to be exposing yourself to that kind of risk in the casino environment.  So I guess my main points of this rather unwieldy post was to illustrate why organized crime didn't disappear once Prohibition was repealed and to point out the seeming inconsistency in the way gambling and drugs, which at the core are similar in nature, are being dealt with.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

A constitutional amendment for prohibiting...
...alcohol isn't enough evidence of strong societal opposition?  Although, admitedly, I do get your point about relativity when comparing the two, I still think the discussion is closer to comparing the two disimilar fruits than it is to comparing a martian and a fungo bat, as Crash Davis might say.  

As to the other matter and whether or not crime (both of the violent and organized variety) decreased or not: I would like to see some evidence of that [this is not a request for you to back up what you wrote rather, this is me just dwelling aloud].  It is entirely possible that memebers of organized crime families just shifted their efforts to the next profitable things that government sought to restrict (like drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc.)  Notice that profits are very high when government restrict...they have to be in order to compensate the producers for the risks that they take...but that, in turn, creates the need to protect the profits by stiffling the competitition in some way shape or form...anti-trust legislation does not pertain to illegal industry.

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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2006 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if you...
started writing your post while I was writing mine, or afterwards...but either way, this line:

"It is entirely possible that memebers of organized crime families just shifted their efforts to the next profitable things that government sought to restrict (like drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc.)"  

is pretty much what I argued, in a nutshell...except I said not that it was possible that it happened, but that it did happen.

"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

We were writing at the same time...
...and I posted later.  I try and keep some originality and when I do not, I try and offer kudos to a well argued opinion (because it is a shared opinion, of course).
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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2006 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Whereas I try to repeat other people's
opinions, but try to do so just before they post them. Kind of like the way I anticipate what my pet parrot is about to say just before he says it. That happens a lot, for some reason.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

one little local anecdote I left out
I was going to mention this in the second paragraph, but forgot to...early in 2006, maybe February or March, the FBI broke up a large cocaine-dealing ring that extended throughout Buffalo, was a ruthless (read: very violent) multi-million dollar enterprise, and went by the name of...the Taliban.  They spent something like two years working on the case before finally making the raids and arrests...legalize, and groups like the Taliban won't be, um, terrorizing neighborhoods near you.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 4:31 AM PST up reply actions  

another related question
Is it better to die of a drug overdose or from a fatal gunshot?  There's a fun question to bring up at the dinner table over the holidays.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 4:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Great discussion above, guys.
You are right about there being two sides to the coin but in the end, I'd much rather see less profit in the drug trade and less violence that becomes the byproduct of maintaining those profits.  Would drug useage raise if there were legalization, perhaps so...but then maybe not.  I wonder just how many people use in order to fit into a group or to create an image that brings utility.  

In the end, I think it comes down to the individual balancing their short, medium, and long -term choices between what will bring them satisfaction in the short, medium, and long-terms.  Not everybody is going to make the same choices as you and I might but I am actually okay with that.  And, if it was someone from my family making choices that I didn't care for, I am going to try and persuade like you wouldn't believe because that's all you can really do.

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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2006 5:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this.
Would drug useage raise if there were legalization, perhaps so...but then maybe not.  I wonder just how many people use in order to fit into a group or to create an image that brings utility.

In other words, are people too stupid to make good decisions for themselves, or not?  And, is the same decision a good decision for everybody?  

The same decision being good for everybody is a pretty good benchmark for worthiness of a law.  If it's a good idea for everybody to never drink, then a law should be passed to prevent people from drinking.  Similarly...

"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 27, 2006 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Take care
Take care of yourself in there.  Good luck.
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by lurkerD on Dec 26, 2006 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Eamb?
I am sorry you had to learn the hard way.
Take care of yourself, and try to send word to AN about how you are doing.

by IM4Oakgal on Dec 26, 2006 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for writing, eamb...
I know there are a lot of strong opinions on this topic, probably on both sides, and I just wanted to say that my offering to be a liaison in no way means that I am condoning or justifying any behavior or disagreeing with the consequences of such.

However, I know what a hard time I would have without the A's for an entire season, and how important AN has become to a lot of us, and because of this, I want to make sure that one of our fellow ANers still feels connected to the A's in some way during a very difficult time in his life.

If anyone would like to help with the 'keeping eamb connected' effort, please let me know. I don't know what he'll have access to, but should find out soon, and then maybe we can arrange weekly box scores, and 'best diaries of AN' letters throughout the season.

Thanks :)  

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Dec 26, 2006 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

I will be glad to help with that.
eamb has contributed to this community in many ways.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Dec 27, 2006 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If I can help in some way,
I would be happy to.  Although any help I can offer would have to involve an intermediary and I am limited on the type of help I can provide.  But what I can do I will do.  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 27, 2006 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Take care
Here's hoping the time flies for you...
"You know, Mark Ellis is the all-time home run leader from South Pecota." ~ jeepers

by Poppy on Dec 26, 2006 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck, eamb.
as much as one can judge an individual by their message board posts, you don't deserve this.  I know this might sound like I'm being sarcastic, but I really mean it; I've honestly always liked your contributions to AN and you'll be missed.  Take care of yourself and we'll look forward to having you back.
Me and your kid probably have the same IQ!! -Swisher to Chavvy

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by rungood on Dec 26, 2006 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

Take care!!!
We'll be here for you when you are able to return.
"[Frank's] a big battler. He's the mother of battleships."

-Nick Swisher

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 26, 2006 6:58 PM PST reply actions  

Slap?
Don't be so insensitive.

by IM4Oakgal on Dec 26, 2006 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Dickhead.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Devyn on Dec 27, 2006 2:35 AM PST up reply actions  

so clever
Spend even a night in prison and we'll see if you're still inclined to say stupid shit like that.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Dec 27, 2006 4:01 AM PST up reply actions  

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