DLD 11/7/06--Oakland Link Dump of Fremont
It's never a dull offseason for the green and gold. Soon, we will be watching the hot stove season unfold, but in the meantime, we have a new A's ballpark to chew on, where you could presumably be watching A's games as soon as 2011.
Predictably, there is lots of reaction, both on this site and in the media about the likely move.
The Oakland Tribune's Dave Newhouse says that if the A's move to Fremont, they have no one to blame but themselves:
Make no mistake, Jerry Brown is ringing the funeral bells you're hearing. Former city manager Robert Bobb had the downtown ballpark in motion. HOK, the reputable ballpark architects from Kansas City, was hired. Brown then dumped Bobb faster than Rickey Henderson could steal second base.Brown's deal is housing, and there are condos rising in Oakland by the second. That's wonderful, mayor, but just remember the A's left town on your watch. They are your legacy as much as Oakland's.
But did Wolff deliberately pick that "ballpark village" site directly across 66th Avenue from the Coliseum knowing the small business owners situated there weren't about to move, thus freeing him to leave?
"A lot of people think that way; my colleagues think that way," Oakland City Council president Ignacio De La Fuente said. "As usual (regarding the latest Fremont news), we've received no contact whatsoever (from Wolff). Maybe that's one of the problems."
Communication definitely broke down between Wolff and the politicos, leaving both sides at fault to some degree. But with Bobb out of the picture and Brown out of touch, Wolff's one-year ultimatum to Oakland to find him a ballpark site or else passed by without any resoution.
This is pretty close to how I feel on the subject, although other posters such as FreeSeatUpgrade have argued eloquently to the contrary. Wolff determined in two years, first in an advisory role, then as owner, that Oakland was never going to happen.
In other ballpark-related linkage, Jimmy Cliff of the Merc points out that there's many rivers to cross before the ballpark can actually be built:
A final decision about a stadium would take at least two years after an application is filed. To date, Wolff has been seeking information from Fremont officials but has presented no proposal to the city. Wolff follows former owner Steve Schott, who long wanted to move the team to Santa Clara County, in seeking a location that would be accessible and appealing to Silicon Valley companies.Pacific Commons is isolated from other residential portions of the city, meaning a shift to housing would require a vast array of new services, including police, fire, libraries, parks and schools. The property is five miles from the existing Fremont BART station, and about two miles from a planned new BART station in Warm Springs, whose construction is not yet guaranteed.
I am very curious to see how well the process actually goes.
There is also the issue of what to call the new team, which is speculated upon in salb918's article for the Merc:
The Silicon Valley designation could be popular with Cisco Systems, the San Jose-based maker of computer-networking equipment that holds the rights to the land Wolff would use for his stadium.Baseball historian John Thorn, however, said it was a bad idea to consider labeling the team the Silicon Valley A's because that honors an industry, not a community.
``It's terrible because the region, 20 years from now, may no longer be known as Silicon Valley,'' said Thorn, who lives in upstate New York. ``What you're talking about is something that's very present-centric. What if they called it Slide Rule Park in 1962?''
Regardless of how this all works out, I'm just happy that a new ballpark in the Bay area is being accomplished. Getting a project like this done is a enormous accomplishment. Don't believe me? Ask Sacramento Kings fans, who despite 311 consecutive home sellouts, are unlikely to get a new facility constructed in Sacramento.
Finally, a little bit of roster-related news that might otherwise get lost in the ballpark hubhub. It looks like keeping Jay Payton and Frank Thomas, like pimping, might not be easy:
Along with hiring a manager, the A's have other business, including trying to re-sign Frank Thomas. Like many other free agents, the DH is waiting until Sunday, when other teams can make offers, before weighing his options. Four other teams have expressed interest in Thomas, according to agent Arn Tellem. Outfielder Jay Payton also wants to see what the market will bear. His agent, Craig Landis, said seven teams have called about Payton.There's an awful lot of interest out there in those guys, and I hope that the A's can keep at least one of them. The bigger one of them.
Vote Quimby.
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Comments
Wash wants Howe for bench coach
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/11/06/sports/s070419S08.DTL
by LongTimeFan on Nov 7, 2006 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That is beautiful.
by Jennifer on Nov 7, 2006 9:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks :-).
NOTE: YouTube link.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on who you ask
the judges somehow accept both answers.
by guy incognito on Nov 7, 2006 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or some, like me...
Hustle and Flow, yo.
by Ozzz on Nov 7, 2006 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ratto can't pass up a chance to dump on the A's
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/07/SPGBDM7G5P1.DTL
So we have the A's, who don't have to move and can't get into the place they want, moving somewhere they really don't want simply because it's somewhere else. If any of your friends said he wanted to do this, you'd grab him, tie him to a radiator and hurl garlic rolls at him until he came to his senses.
But Lew Wolff is a man in a hurry, and ballparks just don't present themselves for the filling. This is his shot, and he's taking it, even though we suspect he knows Fremont really is the third-best choice of the three.
by socal on Nov 7, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh please oh please oh please!
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Slide Rule Park
(Or, more likely, stoned.)
by iglew on Nov 7, 2006 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame him
by andeux on Nov 7, 2006 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, if they'd been from White Castle ...
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And
by green star oakland on Nov 7, 2006 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sporker the Wonk! I'm sensing another AN-ism.
by Ozzz on Nov 7, 2006 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sporky the Wonk just flows better, neh?
by McFood on Nov 7, 2006 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New menu item at Burger King
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, this is the BEST BURGER EVER!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Jennifer on Nov 7, 2006 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got the munchies, so you
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have It Your Way.
Doctor: "Yes, you are indeed stoned."
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
goodness!
by ArakSOT on Nov 7, 2006 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Mellow battery" isn't on the books.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The harder you dump, the harder I fall
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
why not
by Satchmo22 on Nov 7, 2006 10:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if they'll go that far.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two reasons why that will happen eventually.
- It's profitable - companies will pay handsomely to get their name on the front of a baseball shirt.
- It ensures that every fan goes out and buys a new jersey every time a sponsor changes.
That is, until Dave Nilsson came home, bought the league for $5m, and then shut it down a year later.
by Ozzz on Nov 7, 2006 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing Dave Nilsson also stole your girl...
Christ, what a daghole.
by McFood on Nov 7, 2006 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mixing politics and sports
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In my honor?
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re your politics on the blog views
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stay on message, ESU
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, my comment yesterday.
Obviously, it's not hard to tell what my politics are. I'd just like to see politics invoked less frequently on the site, partially because I'm unable to refuse the bait when it's presented.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<reconsiders personal bias against Pearlman>
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mixing politics and making money
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_11_05-2006_11_11.shtml#1162881852
by xbhaskarx on Nov 7, 2006 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess the market is fairly efficient.
5*(2/3)^4*1/3 + (2/3)^5
which comes to about 46%.
So yes, it seems like it should be a little closer to 50% under those assumptions (and assuming there aren't other seats that the democrats have a significant chance of losing).
If they need all five, then it's only 13%.
That assumes that the races are all independent, which may not be a safe assumption in this case. There could be a systematic bias in the odds in individual races, or something that affects voter turnout nationwide.
by andeux on Nov 7, 2006 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I read the comments there,
by andeux on Nov 7, 2006 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't notice the link to the comments
by xbhaskarx on Nov 7, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if i buy the numbers
i think the republicans chances in many of those states (va, mo, ri, mt) have improved in the last few days and are slightly better than the listed odds. and the dems have better than a 15% shot in tn, i think ford is down around 3-6% in the latest polls but closing the gap a bit.
that's just my gut feeling, but the odds this close to an election are usually pretty damn accurate. in the days leading up to the 04 election, tradesports correctly predicted 49 states (it had bush slightly ahead in wisconsin, which ended up being the closest state) and all but one senate race (it had murkowski slightly behind in alaska).
if i had to put numbers on it this time, i'd say the dems have a 90% chance (better than the 84% on tradesports) of taking the house (by around 5-6 seats) and 25% chance (less than the 33% on tradesports) of taking the senate (it'll probably be 51-49).
by xbhaskarx on Nov 7, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly NOT a safe assumption
The uncertainty in each race is whatever unmeasured (or unmeasurable) factors can also affect the race. Surely a great deal of those factors are ones which would move all five races in the same direction.
by iglew on Nov 7, 2006 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops
The initiative would prohibit Missouri and its local governments from "preventing or discouraging lawful stem cell research, therapies, or cures." My reading of the initiative is that it would not "permit extensive cell research." Also, it does not ask for state or taxpayer funding of stem cell research.
Pearlman got this detail wrong. I think it's sloppy.
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
He doesn't say anything about taxpayer funding, and "permit extensive stem cell research" to me just means "allow."
by mikeA on Nov 7, 2006 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The lawyers would point out..
Is testing it for an hour extensive, or would you have to test it for twenty years to be extensive?
by Ozzz on Nov 7, 2006 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not to bring too much religion or politics
by hunter on Nov 7, 2006 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"ballpark hubhub"?
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So this is why we haven't seen McFood lately
Man jailed for putting puppy in oven
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
goodness
cooking a live puppy is a misdemeanor; doping a burger is a felony
by ArakSOT on Nov 7, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only he put pot in the puppy.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on..
by Jennifer on Nov 7, 2006 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
"She was practically asking for a bullet between the eyes, wasn't she?"
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Puppy Tar Tar...
"Pop one into a warm oven and you have a quick snack that's not only good, it's good for six months in jail!"
by McFood on Nov 7, 2006 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bad news
the economist now has a blog:
http://www.economist.com/debate/freeexchange/
by xbhaskarx on Nov 7, 2006 11:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kill my GM, Kill my GM
Says the article: "The plan died when (Smith) gave the pistol to his ex-wife as part of their divorce settlement."
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
She put the homicide squeeze on him
by Ice Cream on Nov 7, 2006 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
San Francisco Giants news
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nationals hire grover as GM.
Jermaine Van Buren is off the market, grover!
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tease
I thought maybe the Nationals swiped Mike Hargrove from the M's. Don't I wish.
by iglew on Nov 7, 2006 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They grabbed a SS I liked as well
You'd think I'd have received a commision but noooo!
<sigh>
by grover on Nov 7, 2006 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
by grover on Nov 7, 2006 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
only if ...
by monkeyball on Nov 8, 2006 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Britney Spears files for divorce.....
Ok, so not something you would typically see here, but its big news nontheless.
by athleticscatcher on Nov 7, 2006 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
She got her two kids, then dumped the sperm donor
by socal on Nov 7, 2006 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is up....
by franks a lot on Nov 7, 2006 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Link dump suddenly brought to you by...
The answer is that the site doesn't pay for itself.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It really looks bad
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 7, 2006 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think it is that bad at all...
by OaktownPower on Nov 7, 2006 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sure beats paying for AN Insider
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or relo'ing AN >2m from the nearest Internet
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On some obsolete post-challenged Treo
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New revenue you're not used to
by Ice Cream on Nov 7, 2006 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm constantly worried about
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Halos Heaven claims Ramirez
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speculation, but...
(Hat tip: Gaslamp Ball)
by JLaff on Nov 7, 2006 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aw, Foulke!
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 3:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Foulke is in my
by salb918 on Nov 7, 2006 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was great for the Sox, though.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did his Wizard break your cricket bat?
by monkeyball on Nov 7, 2006 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rethinking my late night Coli visit plans
Well, it turns out sneaking into stadiums these days ain't such a great idea, at least for two Pittsburg area college students who could be construed by police as "Middle Eastern males."
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 7, 2006 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably a good idea there.
by jeepers on Nov 7, 2006 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My empty ballpark story
She lived a few blocks from the park then. One afternoon as we were walking by we noticed the gate was open, so we went in. No one was there, at least as far as we could see, so we wandered around for about a half hour. We even found a baseball, which I had to squeeze around behind the stands to retrieve. (It now sits on her nightstand in our bedroom.)
Whoever had opened the gate must have left while we were there, because when we went to leave it was locked up. Thus, although we didn't have to climb the fence to get it, we did have to climb the fence to get out!
Good times.
by iglew on Nov 7, 2006 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Wash Article
http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06110706.htm
by david32 on Nov 7, 2006 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Its official!!
It would just kill me if Liriano won ROY...
by OaktownRajah on Nov 8, 2006 12:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
CNN.com!!!!!
by jeepers on Nov 8, 2006 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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