Zito in talks with the Rangers
I'm not too surprised that he's talkign with them, especially after Washington got the manager job.
I don't expect to Zito to sign with Texas or anyone in the near future. Boras wants to wait until Schmidt and Matsuzaka sign so he can get as much as possible.
I'd still bet the Mets sign Zito mainly because they will shell out the most cash because they have no choice.
If Zito does by chance sign in Texas or maybe even Anaheim, then I can't wait to take all those walks he will give us when we face him.
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zito is zito
He is gone that is fine I can guarantee everyone on this site that if someone would pay them twice as much to pitch, sell, be a paperboy they would take it. So dont hate them YOU would do the same. That is the bottom line
by Bud Light on Nov 30, 2006 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not true, Bud Light--
Where I will agree with you is that while I was not one of the biggest Zito-supporters, I think his addition to the Rangers rotation would be a big step forward for Texas--probably putting them one just solid starter away from being a legitimate contender in 2007. Why they don't trade one of their good hitters (Blalock?) for a solid starter is beyond me--I'm just glad they never do.
by Nico on Nov 30, 2006 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers & Zito
by Inquisitor on Dec 1, 2006 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then please to explain, Inquisitor,
11-1, 3.75 ERA, .218 BAA.
Zito may or may not pitch well at Ameriquest in the future, but he most certainly has pitched very, very well there in the past.
by Nico on Dec 1, 2006 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Further
Home: 4.71 ERA, .275 BAA/.833 OPS
Away: 2.97 ERA, .240 BAA/.684 OPS
Over the last three years:
Home: 4.32 ERA, .246 BAA
Away: 3.77 ERA, .249 BAA
For some reason, ESPN doesn't give you the OPS against over three years--but he allowed 47 homers at home, and 34 on the road during that time, which suggests the OPS at home is a lot higher.
by jeepers on Dec 1, 2006 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times are you going to post this???
Anyone remember Steve Ontiveras?
by jjham15 on Dec 1, 2006 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his point...
by Cutthemullet on Dec 2, 2006 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The next time I do
Zito is going to succeed for whoever signs him, because he's a good pitcher. It doesn't really matter where he signs. He will also be overpaid, because there's no such thing as market value in this free agent climate. I hope it's the Mets, so we don't get reminded annually of how good Zito is.
by jeepers on Dec 4, 2006 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers yes, conclusion no
Here, two parameters have changed that lead me to conclude that Zito's performance will not hold up in Texas. First, his numbers at Texas have been far worse the last few years (5.28 E.R.A. in 2004-2006, although he was at 3.74 this year). If I were Zito, I would be concerned by the fact that my stuff and control has declined in the past few years which makes me increasingly susceptible to Ameriquest's potential terrors for pitchers.
Second, and most importantly, it is hard to get an accurate picture of how Zito will fare pitching half his games in Ameriquest by his pitching in a very few games there (7 games in the last 3 years for example.) Pitchers who have pitched in Coors Field and Ameriquest have complained about the cumulative effect of pitching so many games there. I think this cumulative effect will be worse for Zito based on two factors: he consistently throws among the most pitches of any pitcher in baseball and he is a person who appears to be oversensitive when fialure comes along. I think Zito will suffer greatly from both mental and physical fatigue in Ameriquest.
Of course, I am making subjective judgments when the raw data does not support my theory, something my empirical self is uncomfortable with. I may end up being completely wrong, but I predict that Zito will be a disaster for Texas if they sign him. It just seems too much like the Eric Milton in Cincinnati or Darryl Kile in Colarado signings to me, made worse by the fact that Zito will be getting twice the number of years and quadruple the amount of money.
by BlameChannel53 on Dec 1, 2006 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now THAT...
by Cutthemullet on Dec 2, 2006 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two Words:
Any significant look at Ameriquest will tell you that it's a hitter's paradise. Any significant look at the Coliseum will tell you that it's a pitcher's park (or, recently, relatively run-neutral). Barry Zito is a flyball pitcher. Flyball pitchers, as a population, do not do well in Ameriquest. Taking one pitcher's performance there in an isolated sample size doesn't give you much to base predictions of future performance on, even for that one particular pitcher.
However, looking at larger issues that do have a stronger statistical foundation will give you a better prediction than just looking at Zito's individual situation. It sounds backwards, but it's true. Until we have reason to believe that for some reason, Barry Zito will always pitch well in Ameriquest (which would basically take a sample size of several years of pitching at home there), you can't point at this one particular case and say, "Well he's gonna pitch well there because he did it before".
by Inquisitor on Dec 1, 2006 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man..dont go to Texas....
by OaktownPower on Nov 30, 2006 7:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the stupid question,
by humdinger on Nov 30, 2006 8:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, if he is offered arbitration
by dylantravis on Nov 30, 2006 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Crap
by dboysick on Nov 30, 2006 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not good for the A's
by jeepers on Nov 30, 2006 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's good
by brenarlo on Nov 30, 2006 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably true
by grover on Nov 30, 2006 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For all the reasons Zito
by Nico on Nov 30, 2006 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Comp
by Furious George on Nov 30, 2006 11:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rangers keep the pick from LAA
If a team (like Texas) signs 2 Type A free agents than the team that loses the higher rated of the two players earns the 1st round pick. The other team gets Texas' 2nd round pick.
This is assuming, of course, that the Rangers' 1st round pick comes in the second half of Rd 1. Remember, the worst 15 teams (2006 record wise) get to keep their 1st round picks even if they sign a Type A FA.
by grover on Nov 30, 2006 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Z
by CyZito on Dec 1, 2006 7:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Zito signing with the Rangers
by AsMontreal on Dec 1, 2006 8:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that Zito is interested in Texas
If I had to bet I imagine that he would end up with the Mets.
by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 1, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Boras
by BlameChannel53 on Dec 1, 2006 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i could only dream
by bigelephant on Dec 1, 2006 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
10-12 times?
by Cutthemullet on Dec 2, 2006 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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