Worst Contract in Baseball History
Juan Pierre's. 5 years, $44 million.
And don't even bring up anybody else. Like Mike Hampton. Or Denny Naegle. At least they'd done something, albeit minimal. At least there was some reasoning, albeit idiotic, for the Rockies throwing all that ridiculous money at them.
But this. This defies any logic at all. You just gave $44 million to a guy whose limited skill set will likely decline. You just gave $44 million to a guy who, throughout the life of his contract, you will almost always have some better option than. You just gave $44 million to a player who will normally be a net minus.
Unbelievable.
In other news: You all know that Gary Matthews Jr. is 32 with only one very good season to his credit, right? Angels and Giants went for him. Man, that was a bidding war a hardcore A's fan couldn't lose.
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Ummm no
But I hardly doubt 8.8M a year to Pierre qualifies as the "worst contract in baseball history".
Seems to me that you have a non baseball problem with Pierre.
by Devyn on Nov 22, 2006 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
by RLangford on Nov 22, 2006 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not that good
So, he has no power, makes more outs than almost anyone else in the league, is a good basestealer but gets thrown out 20 times a year (which certainly contributes to his outs created stats), and has mediocre to poor strike zone judgment, leading to average to crappy OBPs.
If Pierre is worth $8.8 million a year, what's Coco Crisp worth?
by Nick on Nov 22, 2006 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He makes more outs than anyone
Not everyone buys the idea that Pierre's kind of game is just an exercise in "giving away outs." I do, but it's irrelevant, because that thought process is not how his market value is defined. In a market in which speed-burning, high average contact hitters are coveted by many, he has quite a lot of value. Unless he declines sharply, he'll be tradeable.
Matthews, on the other hand, has had one good year, and several in which he has resembled Terrence Long. To give him even more money than Pierre, plus commit to not trading him for three years, is an incredible waste of money.
by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Kendall stole every time he got to base..
Of course, he'd probably get caught stealing another 40.
Assuming, of course, Kendall could get to base 80 times a year.
The point I'm trying to make is, a guy whose major asset is speed, but gets caught 27% of the time, isn't really a net gain.
by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre's performance
It's true that he's incredibly durable, which is very significant. But if his outs created is just a function of being a leadoff hitter who plays 162 games, he should also be getting on base a lot and maybe even scoring a lot of runs (although like RBIs RS is very context-dependent), right?
Wrong: he's been in the top 10 in times on base once (8th in 2004) and never in the top 10 in RS.
He's making lots of outs because he plays a lot, he's not that good a hitter, he almost never walks and he gets thrown out a lot trying to steal.
OPS isn't a very useful metric for evaluating him, because you're not paying him for his sluggling.
The other element of OPS is on-base percentage -- nothing to brag about in Pierre's case, either (.350 career, last 2 years at .330 and .324, which suck). And don't forget that about 20 times a year, on those rare occasions when he does slap a single to left or beat out a bunt, he has a 25 to 30% chance of making an out by getting himself thrown out trying to steal second.
You're paying for his ability to steal 60 bases a year, while annoying the opposing pitcher.
Well, presumably, the Dodgers are paying him to help them win baseball games. And the way you win is to score more runs than your opponent. No one has ever proven a connection between SB and wins, or "annoying the opposing pitcher" and wins.
In Pierre's case, his best season, 2004, was also his worst as a base-stealer. In 2004 he went .324/.374/.407, set a career high in OPS+ (107, his only year over 100), and a career high in runs created per 27 outs (5.43, discounting his first full season in Colorado, where runs used to be so easy to score). On the bases, however, he was 45 for 69, a success rate of only 65%. He probably would have scored more runs and helped the Marlins win more games if he'd never tried to steal at all that year, and he certainly would have helped more by going 8 for 10 or something, rather than creating 24 unnecessary outs on the bases.
The irony about SB is that steals sort of simulate slugging % (gaining an extra base) -- without increasing the odds of driving in a run -- in exchange for reducing OBP (the threat of getting thrown out). The same logic that makes OBP more valuable than slugging % makes stealing bases a pretty low-value skill for a leadoff hitter, at least one who makes as many outs on the bases as Pierre.
In a market in which speed-burning, high average contact hitters are coveted by many, he has quite a lot of value. Unless he declines sharply, he'll be tradeable.
I'm not sure how high this market is -- someone like Furcal has much more power than Pierre, for instance -- but few people have gone bankrupt underestimating the intelligence of baseball executives. So it's certainly possible that they can unload him on someone in a few years (Giants?). But then again, if he slows down a bit, which is pretty likely as he enters his 30s, I think he'll fall off the table -- he still won't have any power, or any strike-zone judgment, but with less speed he'll start hitting .260, with an OBP of .300, and 25 SB a year, and less range in CF.
And then even Brian Sabean won't be interested in him.
by Nick on Nov 23, 2006 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras nods sagely
"few people have gone bankrupt underestimating the intelligence of baseball executives"
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 23, 2006 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, by the way
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 23, 2006 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And to you and yours
by Nick on Nov 23, 2006 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this tongue-in-cheek?
Matthews' career BA/OBP/SLG: .263/.336/.419
Pierre's career BA/OBP/SLG: .302/.350/.377
Pierre is three years younger.
by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 6:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN should pay some of that...
by gdub171 on Nov 23, 2006 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russ Ortiz?
He's certainly in the worst contract ever conversation.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 22, 2006 6:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe separate pitchers and position players
The argument for Pierre's contract being worse than Matthews' is that his peak is so low -- just a 107 OPS+. He's shown no ability at all to have a great, dominant season. You can imagine Stoneman persuading himself that Matthews "never had a chance to play" and that he finally "showed what he was capable of" when he got to play regularly. He's wrong, but Matthews was a very good player in his fluke season last year.
Pierre hasn't missed a game for 4 years. No one can fool himself into thinking he'll suddenly become Brett Butler when he "gets a chance."
Scratch that -- I'm pretty sure Butler could put up a .330 OPS next year if he were to come out of retirement.
by Nick on Nov 22, 2006 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been
by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that means what?
by tomoyo on Nov 24, 2006 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I agree with you
by jeepers on Nov 25, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Darren Dreifort
I bet Chan Ho Park was pretty bad too
by closetasfan on Nov 22, 2006 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod, 10 years/$252 million
Because Tom Hicks ended up bidding against himself. Texas had the highest bid, Boras shuffled his feet and the Rangers added to their offer.
by grover on Nov 22, 2006 6:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
I find Soriano's to be worse.
by Boonee on Nov 22, 2006 8:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you can sit here and talk about his OBP
by cadevil on Nov 22, 2006 9:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about the lack of Ks
by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre's advantage is that...
Mariners fans enjoy those off nights...
by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're going to wish he's miss games
by RLangford on Nov 23, 2006 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had a lot to drink tonight
by grover on Nov 23, 2006 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst contract ever: Albert Belle.
The contract: 5 years at $12m a year (huge money in 1998).
Of course, Belle hurt his back two seasons into the contract and collected the final $36m without ever swinging another bat.
Sweet.
by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really in disbelief
by walk off bunt on Nov 23, 2006 1:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree!!
by tomoyo on Nov 24, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are many to choose from,
by southofcruiseamerica on Nov 23, 2006 2:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
no baseball is contract worse than football
by rickeyrocks on Nov 23, 2006 5:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's not one of the worst ever,
At the time it was signed, I thought the Millwood deal with the Rangers was lousy, but like the Loaiza deal, it is looking better one year in.
by rubin sierra on Nov 23, 2006 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The worst is matthew's Jr.
by robber23 on Nov 23, 2006 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
RLangford...
by baseballgirl on Nov 23, 2006 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A lot of teams are overspending
What major leaguer made the most outs in major league history? I'll give you a hint: Hes not a Hall of Famer but is regarded as one of the greats.
by IM4Oakgal on Nov 23, 2006 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be 'gamblin' Pete Rose .....
by TheBigO on Nov 23, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hampton
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2006 12:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
True enough
And my point is that you go into the Pierre contract knowing that you're giving him $45 million with the full knowledge that you could likely get somebody at the minimum who could give you about the same overall production. And given the Dodger system, that's especially true.
And it's not just the money. They're committing five years to this bum. I mean that's just idiotic.
At least with Hampton, the Rockies had to think they were committing all those years to an upgrade, to their #1 pitcher to be.
by RLangford on Nov 24, 2006 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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