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Worst Contract in Baseball History

Juan Pierre's. 5 years, $44 million.

And don't even bring up anybody else. Like Mike Hampton. Or Denny Naegle. At least they'd done something, albeit minimal. At least there was some reasoning, albeit idiotic, for the Rockies throwing all that ridiculous money at them.

But this. This defies any logic at all. You just gave $44 million to a guy whose limited skill set will likely decline. You just gave $44 million to a guy who, throughout the life of his contract, you will almost always have some better option than. You just gave $44 million to a player who will normally be a net minus.

Unbelievable.

In other news: You all know that Gary Matthews Jr. is 32 with only one very good season to his credit, right? Angels and Giants went for him. Man, that was a bidding war a hardcore A's fan couldn't lose.

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Ummm no
292 average is pretty good. Add in the fact that he's stealing like 60 bases a year, and is one of the fastest players in the league. Not to mention CF seems to be a hot commodity this season so maybe there paying a little bit too high.

But I hardly doubt 8.8M a year to Pierre qualifies as the "worst contract in baseball history".

Seems to me that you have a non baseball problem with Pierre.

"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Devyn on Nov 22, 2006 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

Seems to me
you don't know how to read a stat line. But that's okay.

by RLangford on Nov 22, 2006 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he's not that good
His career OPS+ is...86.  He's had exactly 1 season over 100 (2004).  Although he does steal a lot of bases in the context of today's game, he also gets thrown out a lot -- his career SB% is 73%, which is good but hardly "he can steal a base any time he wants" territory.  His career range factor in CF is almost exactly league average.  Oh, and in the last 4 years he's led the NL twice in outs created (as a hitter, that is) and been 2nd twice.

So, he has no power, makes more outs than almost anyone else in the league, is a good basestealer but gets thrown out 20 times a year (which certainly contributes to his outs created stats), and has mediocre to poor strike zone judgment, leading to average to crappy OBPs.

If Pierre is worth $8.8 million a year, what's Coco Crisp worth?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 22, 2006 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He makes more outs than anyone
because he plays more than anyone.  OPS isn't a very useful metric for evaluating him, because you're not paying him for his sluggling.  You're paying for his ability to steal 60 bases a year, while annoying the opposing pitcher.  While he's not a walking machine, he is an excellent bunter.

Not everyone buys the idea that Pierre's kind of game is just an exercise in "giving away outs."  I do, but it's irrelevant, because that thought process is not how his market value is defined.  In a market in which speed-burning, high average contact hitters are coveted by many, he has quite a lot of value.  Unless he declines sharply, he'll be tradeable.

Matthews, on the other hand, has had one good year, and several in which he has resembled Terrence Long.  To give him even more money than Pierre, plus commit to not trading him for three years, is an incredible waste of money.  

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If Kendall stole every time he got to base..
...he'd probably end up swiping 40.

Of course, he'd probably get caught stealing another 40.

Assuming, of course, Kendall could get to base 80 times a year.

The point I'm trying to make is, a guy whose major asset is speed, but gets caught 27% of the time, isn't really a net gain.

"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Pierre's performance
He makes more outs than anyone because he plays more than anyone.

It's true that he's incredibly durable, which is very significant.  But if his outs created is just a function of being a leadoff hitter who plays 162 games, he should also be getting on base a lot and maybe even scoring a lot of runs (although like RBIs RS is very context-dependent), right?

Wrong:  he's been in the top 10 in times on base once (8th in 2004) and never in the top 10 in RS.

He's making lots of outs because he plays a lot, he's not that good a hitter, he almost never walks and he gets thrown out a lot trying to steal.

OPS isn't a very useful metric for evaluating him, because you're not paying him for his sluggling.

The other element of OPS is on-base percentage --  nothing to brag about in Pierre's case, either (.350 career, last 2 years at .330 and .324, which suck).  And don't forget that about 20 times a year, on those rare occasions when he does slap a single to left or beat out a bunt, he has a 25 to 30% chance of making an out by getting himself thrown out trying to steal second.

You're paying for his ability to steal 60 bases a year, while annoying the opposing pitcher.

Well, presumably, the Dodgers are paying him to help them win baseball games.  And the way you win is to score more runs than your opponent.  No one has ever proven a connection between SB and wins, or "annoying the opposing pitcher" and wins.  

In Pierre's case, his best season, 2004, was also his worst as a base-stealer.  In 2004 he went .324/.374/.407, set a career high in OPS+ (107, his only year over 100), and a career high in runs created per 27 outs (5.43, discounting his first full season in Colorado, where runs used to be so easy to score).  On the bases, however, he was 45 for 69, a success rate of only 65%.  He probably would have scored more runs and helped the Marlins win more games if he'd never tried to steal at all that year, and he certainly would have helped more by going 8 for 10 or something, rather than creating 24 unnecessary outs on the bases.

The irony about SB is that steals sort of simulate slugging % (gaining an extra base) -- without increasing the odds of driving in a run -- in exchange for reducing OBP (the threat of getting thrown out).  The same logic that makes OBP more valuable than slugging % makes stealing bases a pretty low-value skill for a leadoff hitter, at least one who makes as many outs on the bases as Pierre.

In a market in which speed-burning, high average contact hitters are coveted by many, he has quite a lot of value.  Unless he declines sharply, he'll be tradeable.

I'm not sure how high this market is -- someone like Furcal has much more power than Pierre, for instance -- but few people have gone bankrupt underestimating the intelligence of baseball executives.  So it's certainly possible that they can unload him on someone in a few years (Giants?).  But then again, if he slows down a bit, which is pretty likely as he enters his 30s, I think he'll fall off the table -- he still won't have any power, or any strike-zone judgment, but with less speed he'll start hitting .260, with an OBP of .300, and 25 SB a year, and less range in CF.

And then even Brian Sabean won't be interested in him.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 23, 2006 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Scott Boras nods sagely
as he slips the ring off another CUban Davidoff cigar and lights it with one of Tom Hicks' thousand dollar bills.

"few people have gone bankrupt underestimating the intelligence of baseball executives"

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 23, 2006 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, by the way
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the missus.  We're actually going to be joined by Doctor Bobby Nixon and his wife at our feast tonight.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 23, 2006 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

And to you and yours
and to Dr. Nixon (wow!) and Mrs. Dr. as well.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 23, 2006 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this tongue-in-cheek?
Gary Matthews' contract is about 500 times worse.  In fact, I can't stop laughing that someone was dumb enough to give him a five-year deal:

Matthews' career BA/OBP/SLG:  .263/.336/.419
Pierre's career BA/OBP/SLG: .302/.350/.377

Pierre is three years younger.

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

ESPN should pay some of that...
With all the webgems he'll be making... to go along with his .240 BA and a VORP of -5
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Nov 23, 2006 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Russ Ortiz?
$33 million bought the D-Backs about 140 innings at an ERA around 7.00, until they released him with almost three years left of a four year deal.

He's certainly in the worst contract ever conversation.

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 22, 2006 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe separate pitchers and position players
like the Cy Young and MVP, when discussing worst contracts, since pitchers are so valuable yet so unpredictable and injury-prone.

The argument for Pierre's contract being worse than Matthews' is that his peak is so low -- just a 107 OPS+.  He's shown no ability at all to have a great, dominant season.  You can imagine Stoneman persuading himself that Matthews "never had a chance to play" and that he finally "showed what he was capable of" when he got to play regularly.  He's wrong, but Matthews was a very good player in his fluke season last year.

Pierre hasn't missed a game for 4 years.  No one can fool himself into thinking he'll suddenly become Brett Butler when he "gets a chance."

Scratch that -- I'm pretty sure Butler could put up a .330 OPS next year if he were to come out of retirement.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 22, 2006 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

He's been
one of the most dominant base-stealers in the game for many years.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

And that means what?
I don't see how being a great or in this case above-average base stealer is going to make you valuable. The main reason rickey henderson was an instant hall of famer was his combination of walks and power. His stealing did help, but not as much as his insane walk total, his high batting average, his 20+ homer power. Juan Pierre has no walks to speak of, only a decent batting average(See Ichiro for someone who's actually great in batting average), no power, and nowhere near the base stealing capabilities of Rickey. I'd say base stealing might be worth 1 million at best for a great player. That still doesn't make up for the rest of his great deficiencies.

by tomoyo on Nov 24, 2006 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I agree with you
But I also think there are a lot of GMs out there that value 60 SBs a year more than we do.  It's not whether or not 60 SBs are valuable, it's whether or not someone in the marketplace might find them valuable.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 25, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Darren Dreifort
5 yrs 55 mil

I bet Chan Ho Park was pretty bad too

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by closetasfan on Nov 22, 2006 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

A-Rod, 10 years/$252 million
Why?

Because Tom Hicks ended up bidding against himself. Texas had the highest bid, Boras shuffled his feet and the Rangers added to their offer.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Nov 22, 2006 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

Haha.
Pierre's contract is pretty horrible, but there have been worse in history, and there will continue be.

I find Soriano's to be worse.

"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith

by Boonee on Nov 22, 2006 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

you can sit here and talk about his OBP
But you fail t mention the MOST important stat, that he NEVER misses a game. Who cares what a guys OBP is if he doesn't play, we as A's fans should know this. Plus give the guy some credit he had the longer AB streak without a strikeout, and stats aside he completely changed the 03 WS, any Yankee fan will tell you that. Is 9 million much, YES...but how can that contract be worse than Adrian Beltre

by cadevil on Nov 22, 2006 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

Forgot about the lack of Ks
I should have remembered, since it makes my fantasy team go.  Pierre almost never strikes out.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 22, 2006 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Beltre's advantage is that...
...he doesn't play every game.

Mariners fans enjoy those off nights...

"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey now
We love Beltre.
Visiting from LL.

by Graham MacAree on Nov 23, 2006 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

mmm-hmm.
Kinda like the way we love Loaiza.

One good month does not a conract make.

"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I've had a lot to drink tonight
but I'd have found that funny even if I was stone cold sober.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Nov 23, 2006 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst contract ever: Albert Belle.
After the White Sox had to let him go because he had a clause in his contract that said he had to be one of the three-highest paid players in the game at all times, he signed the biggest deal in the game at the time to play for the Orioles.

The contract: 5 years at $12m a year (huge money in 1998).

Of course, Belle hurt his back two seasons into the contract and collected the final $36m without ever swinging another bat.

Sweet.

"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Nov 23, 2006 12:50 AM PST reply actions  

I'm really in disbelief
at how genius the Esteban Loaiza signing looks now.
there's simply no club like the white elephant club

by walk off bunt on Nov 23, 2006 1:43 AM PST reply actions  

Agree!!
Loaiza is a freaking bargain in the current environment. We're talking a guy who's had one cy young season and a few very good cy young type months, including one for us for only $7 millon per. Meanwhile there's some guys with much worse 3 year records that are looking to make $10-12 million per year. (See Randy Wolf, Ted Lilly, etc). It's nuts and I'm glad we only really need to fill one Big Z. I hope Beane can find a way.

by tomoyo on Nov 24, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

There are many to choose from,
but it's a stalemate between Kevin Brown and Mike Hampton for sheer dollars. Kevin Malone's rookie milk carton is going for $4.99 on ebay while O'Dowd  gets two umbrellas in his drink at the annual 4th of July block party in LoDo.

by southofcruiseamerica on Nov 23, 2006 2:38 AM PST reply actions  

no baseball is contract worse than football
where retired players keep counting against the salary cap

by rickeyrocks on Nov 23, 2006 5:42 AM PST reply actions  

It's not one of the worst ever,
But Randy Johnson's current contract looks pretty stupid at the moment.  They signed him to it when he was like 40, and then they act all surprised about his 5.00 ERA.  

At the time it was signed, I thought the Millwood deal with the Rangers was lousy, but like the Loaiza deal, it is looking better one year in.

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Nov 23, 2006 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

The worst is matthew's Jr.
good lord one decent season and you get 50$ mil.
Frank Thomas is big.

by robber23 on Nov 23, 2006 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

RLangford...
...I'm with you. Terrible, terrible contract. Maybe not worst ever, but still awful.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 23, 2006 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

A lot of teams are overspending
I wish that our team could do that. Pierre will help the Dodgers. He does make a lot of outs but they are quality outs hehe.

What major leaguer made the most outs in major league history? I'll give you a hint: Hes not a Hall of Famer but is regarded as one of the greats.

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 23, 2006 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta be 'gamblin' Pete Rose .....
Good pitching beats good hitting. And vice versa.

by TheBigO on Nov 23, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Bing-O
One try... one right answer. :-)

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 23, 2006 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Hampton
8 years $121 MM, plus $20MM option year.

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2006 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

True enough
That may never be topped. But at least that may have been justified based on the very very good year or two that preceded it. Pierre's only had mediocre and bad years.

And my point is that you go into the Pierre contract knowing that you're giving him $45 million with the full knowledge that you could likely get somebody at the minimum who could give you about the same overall production. And given the Dodger system, that's especially true.

And it's not just the money. They're committing five years to this bum. I mean that's just idiotic.

At least with Hampton, the Rockies had to think they were committing all those years to an upgrade, to their #1 pitcher to be.

by RLangford on Nov 24, 2006 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

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