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Unpopular Opinion: Geren was the right choice

I realize that the title of this diary is unpopular enough, but I've also come to another conclusion that may go way beyond being merely "unpopular":

Ron Washington would have been the worst choice to serve as the next A's manager.

Hold on. Before you grab your pitchfork or light your torch and head East to find me, please hear me out. After I'm done, you are more than welcome to convict me of heresy in the comments section.

Despite all of his critics on AN and elsewhere, Ken Macha wasn't fired last month because of his in-game tactics or because the players underperformed under his watch. In fact, he placed third in the voting for AL Manager of the year. Instead, Macha was let go because of the "disconnect" he had with the rest of the organization.

I firmly believe Billy Beane is the best GM in baseball. But the man is human, and makes mistakes. The biggest mistake of Beane's tenure, in my opinion, was bringing back Macha last year in the manner that he did. Beane emasculated Macha by essentially forcing Macha to come crawling back for his old job. And you better believe the players were aware of Macha's weak standing. Inevitably, the players, most notably a balky-backed centerfielder, used their various beefs with management as fuel to undermine what little authority Macha had. It was doomed to failure from the begininng.

So now a replacement was neccessary, and surely the A's wanted to avoid the pratfalls of their most recent hire. The original "disconnect", of course, was between Macha and the front office, namely Beane, and certain players took advantage of this to further their own aims. Which brings us around to the title and the point of this diary.

Bob Geren and Billy Beane are friends. In case you didn't know. In fact, based on where Geren stood at Beane's wedding, one could even say they are "best friends." Many on AN see this as a potential conflict of interest, or at least a potential problem down the road. However, I see the relationship of Geren and Beane to be a big plus, especially when one considers the downfall of our previous manager. To recap: Macha was canned because the front office didn't entirely believe in him, and with that information readily avaliable, the players undermined him.

Now Geren is in charge. If Beane didn't believe in him, he wouldn't have hired Geren to manage the team he has an ownership stake in. Plus, in many ways Beane is putting his reputation at stake with Geren, at least where it comes to managers and his opinion of them. We can rest assured Geren and Beane will be on the same page at all times, as a matter of neccessity. Now, when a player is pissed at Geren because he isn't getting enough AB's, complaints to Beane will fall on deaf ears. A manager who is fully backed by his front office cannot be undermined by a few disgruntled players.

As for Ron Washington: he deserves the shot he is getting, and I couldn't be more thrilled for him. Plus, going to Texas is the best case scenario for all parties. (Aside from Texas being in our division.) Many on AN cite Washington's popularity, which of course is immense. But what happens when he benches someone or has to discipline a player who felt he and Washington were buddies? Plus, how Beane and Washington would work as a GM/Manager combo is certainly up for debate. Besides, Washington gets to be closer to home in Texas, and will undoubtedly have more freedom. Washington also won't have any buddy-buddy loyalties in Texas, but the respect he earned in Oakland will carry over. In short, managing in Texas is a better oppertunity for Washington than managing in Oakland would be.

Okay, that's enough. There's plenty of room on the Bob Geren bandwagon if anyone wants to join...

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Has Beane emasculated Geren too?
I'm wondering if the strange interview process was maybe an attempt to pump up Geren by making him appear that he was the best choice.  It may backfire, however, if this process makes Geren look weaker; it appears from the process that Geren was somewhat of a default choice.  I think the A's players respect Beane greatly, and he needs to make sure that Geren gets that respect as well.  He never did that for Howe and Macha, and this strange hiring process probably did not help Geren's cause.  I think Geren has better people skills and more natural aggression than Howe and Macha ever did, and I think he has a chance to be a fine manager.  We'll see how it works out.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 18, 2006 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

That's a good argument
"A manager who is fully backed by his front office cannot be undermined by a few disgruntled players."

But isn't a manager's (even a manager under BLB) main job to keep all the players happy rather than  the FO?  The manager's first priority is to keep the players playing as a team, not to keep Billy happy.  Washington is known as a player's coach, Geren is known for his relationship with Billy.  

I think the main reason most don't trust having Billy hire his best man is if Geren should be fired, will BB be as impartial as he should?    

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Nov 18, 2006 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

Also
The anti-Geren argument in one of the few Ratto articles I liked.  
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Nov 18, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow....that was an excellent article
Summed up a lot of what I feel
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 18, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

See...I THINK that Geren is the right choice...
...but I think Ratto captured perfectly what a lot of AN was concerned about during the process.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 18, 2006 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That may be the case
but the truth is that I don't want Beane making decisions based on what the fanbase wants or thinks.  The A's would be in serious trouble if he did.

I hate Barry Bonds and many A's fans do as well, but it doesn't matter to Beane.  If he thinks it will help him win and get over the hump, he's going to do it.  And that's one of the reasons I love the guy.

The other thing is that Ratto goes out of his way to make Geren appear green.  The truth is that he was the ONLY one of the candidates who ever actually managed a team.  I know it wasn't a major league team, but when have facts ever stood in the way of a Ratto column?

by Tyler Bleszinski on Nov 18, 2006 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Spot on analysis.
Beane has proven himself and his abilities time and again.  I don't quite get all the second guessing concerning his judgement at this point.  Until Beane proves that he no longer has his mojo, I will continue to trust his judgement concerning the team.  

Ratto is paid to stir the pot.  If he doesn't, he gets replaced.  Ratto understands media, not baseball.  Especially not A's baseball.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 18, 2006 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Better question: when
have facts ever stood in the way of your perpetual  attacks on Ratto?

For example, where in the column does Ratto go out of his way to make Geren appear green?  That's a straw man you've created for your latest condemnation of RR.  "When have the facts ever stood in the way of a Ratto column?"  That's an offensive statement to make about any journalist, especially when there's no basis for it.  

I imagine Ratto would probably be flattered that you feel so strongly about him, regardless of whether your feelings are positive or negative.  But as for me, I am troubled by the passion of your hatred for a voice that is one of the most reasonable in sports today.  

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Nov 19, 2006 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The contarian Ratto is ...
... the typical Bay Area sports columnist. A jack of all sports and a master of none.
"Flying a plane is like riding a bicycle...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --Airplane!

by SalParadise on Nov 19, 2006 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Ratto has a knack for
summing up what fans feel.  It's why he's a successful journalist.  It's also why he's a horrible analyst.
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Nov 18, 2006 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Garen's our guy now
so all us A's fans I hope will support him and love him. Reading about Garen now, I like him, he's a solid citizen and family man, his wife sounds like a great level-headed gal who's totally dedicated to her husband and kids. The players have now said some great things about him. Now, I just hope you-know-who leaves him alone and let's Bob think outside the myopic Beane-Box and let the man manage out on the field and with the players the way Bob sees best for,  and not only Billy's way for God's sake. I know that's asking a lot. Billy thinks he smarter than any baseball manager ever, living or dead--that's pretty good for a guy who's never managed or coached a day of his life.

by Salvatore on Nov 18, 2006 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

I have to say, the best I've felt
about Geren's hiring is after reading today's article by John Shea in the S.F. Chronicle. I highly recommend it as a great read.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 18, 2006 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

For those who like sausage,
here's a link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/18/SPG49MFG211.DTL
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 18, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, stop stealing Sunday's thunder!
;)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 18, 2006 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Other then Ron Washington...
Geren was the best choice.
"I hate the Angels"

by Vegas A's Fan on Nov 18, 2006 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

EastCoast
Not sure I agee with the "emasculated" comment -- nobody held a gun to Macha's head and demanded he take the job . . . he came back to Beane, plain and simple. If anyone emasculated Macha, he did it to himself.
I'm also not sure that Kotsay and the rest of the guys were "undermining" Macha. It seems quite possible that Macha was, in fact, a lousy communicator. There is no question that he did a lousy job of "protecting" his guys with the umpires -- I'm not sure that can even be debated.
However, too many on this site seem to think Macha was "betrayed" or somehow "mistreated." Considering the fact that many of the guys had "issues" with him -- not just a few -- it certainly seems plausible that Macha was a problem that needed to go away.
Doesn't make him a bad guy by any stretch -- just time for a change.
VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Nov 18, 2006 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

Good write-up
Convincing, nice job.  Although I still think Macha could have manned up last year and done a better job re communication.
It's a beautiful day for baseball.

by As Man on Nov 18, 2006 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

The other thing I hadn't really thought about
in terms of Ron Washington is:  at some point had the A's hired him, they'd be letting him go as well.  Assuming they continue to love Wash the way they do, the players could/would be furious if he was fired.  Then we've got player mutiny and for perhaps the first time, teamwide dislike of Billy. Since Billy's not going anywhere, perhaps it's best to rule that out from the beginning.

I also agree with everything you say about Wash "starting over" in Texas.  I wish him the best.  And if unfortunately he doesn't work out there, let's pray he's right back here coaching in Oakland.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Nov 18, 2006 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

A's System
Another plus for Geren, and maybe the rest of the coaches throughout the A's Minor League system.  Continutity. I like that Geren coached in Sac for a while. The Mangers and coaches in the A's system stay in the system, and advance. When Geren came up to Oakland, his shoes were filled by a guy from umm...Midland? Modesto? Tony DeFrancesca. Rich Rodriguiz (sp?) also went up a team. Geren knows the A's system and philosophy. Plus he knows the real Spicolli.

Now if we could just lose Curt Young.

by DCinWC on Nov 18, 2006 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

the big questions about geren are..
will he be able to match the excitement of the pre and post game macha interviews?  

will he try to bring in ricardo ricon with the game on the line?

can he earn a black belt?

will the golf tips that didn't help macha be of any use to him?

when he's fired, will he tell all about billy's bachelor party?

by danh on Nov 18, 2006 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

I agree ...
Geren was the best choice from a weak group of candidates
"Flying a plane is like riding a bicycle...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --Airplane!

by SalParadise on Nov 18, 2006 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

EastCoastA, I Agree 100%
I've seen no that evidence Geren is a bad choice.

I appreciate all that Ron Washington did for the A's, but I think Geren is better suited to be manager of this team based on 1) His support from Billy, 2) His knowledge of the pitchers as the bullpen coach and as a former catcher, and 3) His record of success as a minor leage/winter league manager.

I'm not saying Ron Washington will be a bad manager -- he might turn out to be great, but I think Bob Geren is a safer choice and has just as much upside.

The pro-Ron Washinton arguments seem to be that  the players love him and he's a better communicator. Both may be true.On the first point, I think the players also like Geren and I don't think the players should choose the manager. On the second point, I've never seen any reason to believe Geren is a bad communicator.

 

by Eck on Nov 18, 2006 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

Who cares
The players win games. Not the manager.

All the manager can do is put them in a position to win.

Most players have multiple chances to win each game.

I always laugh when people (Giants fans) rip on Dusty Baker for their loss in 2002 game 6... you know when he went to Rodriguez, Worrell and Nenn like he had done all year when he had the lead and they all three blew it.

by jeffro on Nov 18, 2006 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Best Mgrs are the ones with the best teams?
I'll agree.

And if true, Manager Geren faces an AL West of improving teams with the A's losing:

  • Zito's 23 starts
  • 40 HRs by part-timer Frank
  • CF/RF/LF versatility of JayPay
  • LH Starter/Reliever Kennedy?
  • Infielder coach extraoirdinare: Wash
While it is possible the A's could improve all 5 areas it is not likely.

Basicly Mgr. Geren inherits the same team as last year, less the above, and must face opponents that are improving thier rosters.

So,

...are you saying, ...that we can't pepper AN-land with "F I R E GEREN!!!" after intolerable losses?

by A s Eh on Nov 19, 2006 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

AL West
That would only be if the A's went into the 07 season with the roster as it stands now. I'm sure Billy will make moves and do his best to get the A's to the postseason as he has always done. April is a long ways away and there is a lot of time for trades, singings, etc to happen. Have a little faith in Beane - the guy has delivered so far.

Just my $0.02

"Swinging and missing to me is like 'Jesus, what happened?'" Hatty

by Razr on Nov 20, 2006 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think...
...we can go putting "FIRE GEREN!" threads if we do badly over the first 50 games or so (we did that like the past 6 years or whatever and still made the playoffs) but if we have a horrid season, then the "FIRE GEREN!" threads should be well merited.

by swisherroks33 on Nov 19, 2006 9:22 PM PST reply actions  

The adulation of Washington has gone far enough
I will grant that Ron Washington is a phenomenal infield coach. I will even grant that he's a serviceable 3rd base coach. However: 1.) He has been up for virtually every managerial position in the last 8 years. 2.) He's gotten a second interview in (if I have good info) at most 3 of those 3.) Under three (Hmmm, maybe two) completely different managers, he never even got a sniff at bench coach, or, as Macha called it 'MIT' (and he should know, he was one) 4.) When Macha had to put someone else in as manager, it was, ttbomk, Never Washington. 5.) Finally, someone gives Wash a shot. Someone well known for being prudent. Ooops, no, it was Texas, and it was because Wash does good Barbecue. Maybe there's a point in all of this. I, for one, do not think he was the best choice for manager. Although I worried about the history of pitching coaches as managers, I thought it was Bud Black. Given that he wasn't available, Geren's a damned good choice (unless you could bring back Carney)

by Bronx A's Fan on Nov 20, 2006 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

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