everybody, it's a Future Shock
All right, I guess it's time to write down how I feel, but I warn you it isn't gonna be pretty or palatable. If you're happily imbibing snifter after snifter of the Kool-Aid currently being dispensed by the ownership of this organization, itself under the seemingly hypnotic power of a large and faceless computer corporation, then I suggest passing this one by. Enjoy your refreshments.
I am deeply hurt, simply wounded by all of this, and the Oakland aspect is but one facet of my sense of betrayal and discontent. The reality is that for me, everything this team and franchise has represented has just been cast away. The diehard, baseball-breathing Oakland fans, lacking in number but never enthusiasm, cast away. The arguably glorious history of the team in Oakland, cast away. The model efficiency and proletarian dedication to "the little things" that make us competitive against the grotesque injustices perpetrated by the big-spender teams, cast away. The Moneyball approach, essentially cast away. A sporting event free of the loathesomely intrusive consumerist aspects so prevalent at other venues and really throughout the rapidly-putrifying culture of this country, cast away. Once we were one of the top 4 teams in the game on the sheer competence of our GM and his assistants and the guile and prowess of our gutsy, working-class-hero type players. A few decent starting pitching performances and a couple of clutch hits from the big prize, from the mountaintop. So close, and getting there the right way, on our own merits and grind-it-out sense of mastery and purpose. Now we are about to be relegated to a position as the house band in some computer company Marketing Director's shopping mall fantasy, the Yankees with bytes and bandwidth substituting for TV deals. Say it ain't so.
The Oakland aspect is obvious, no need to beat it to death. I live here and treasure this most underdog of cities, forever stuck in the shadows of its glitzy neighbor to the west; a ghetto-fabulous St. Paul but with nicer weather, realer people and a better baseball team than its number-3-tourist-destination-on-Earth Minneapolis across the bridge. So ironic that the only stadium with a view of Oakland is the Giants' place, now that the Oakland team is abdicating.
One reason to love the team has been the way the ballclub has mirrored the city so well: the grit, the standing up to the big guys with all the guns (think the Black Panthers, or Barbara Lee -- D, Congressional District 9, Oakland -- the lone vote against the war appropriations on Sept. 14th, 2001, birthing the phrase "Barbara Lee speaks for me!"), the falling-down stadium facility with the Black Muslim Bakery fish sandwiches (thanks jeepers)... rarely has the unique, uncommercially unhomogenized flavor of a city come across in its team in such an unfiltered way, right down to the clever, proud-to-be-the-prepared-underdog ad campaigns we have seen in recent years. Welcome to Oakland, the most diverse urban community in the United States... more Medical Cannabis Dispensories than military recruitment centers. Never has such a great place to live gotten such a bad rap, largely due to the racism still so prevalent in outsiders' views of Oakland, which they believe is some sort of Terrordome/Mad Max movie with gangs of African-American youths marauding all over.
But there's more than enough blame to go around on the moving-to-Fremont issue, it's not just Wolff, it's so many things: Jerry Brown's idiotic fixation on building upscale-fantasy loft housing that no one will ever live in, Ron Dellums failing to make the A's a campaign issue when doing so might have helped a solution to be reached so they could stay, Robert Bobb (former City Manager and A's advocate) leaving, Al Davis returning and making the city his biz-nitch, the failure of the casual fans to come out for more than just the playoff games these last 6 years, the list goes on and on `til the proverbial break o'dawn. It was inevitable that for the team to make any money and continue to put a contending, championship-quality product on the field, they couldn't stay here as things stood. No amount of civic pride or Oakland-allegiance could stop that, and I understand. Even if it really does seem obvious that Wolff wanted to move closer to his beloved San Jose and was gonna do that even if Oakland brought him a plan and the financing to enact it on a silver platter. For the record I think a carpetbagger's a carpetbagger, and would no more approve or condone Wolff's actions (no matter how seemingly beneficent) than I would (as a left-wing person) vote for Hillary Clinton as a Senator from New York. I guess I'm a deluded purist/idealist, a throwback to a now-bygone era of integrity-as-raison d'etre.
My biggest problems with this deal, the real sense of betrayal and disgust, come from what the new facility will look like and what the game experience portends to be for the prospective fan. I guess I must be an old coot, but I loathe cell-phones being used in public places. I believe technology has its place but that baseball is a sacred analog experience, invented in the 19th century, that shouldn't be subjected to some computer firm's future-shock-inducing profit motive curve. Laptops and PDAs should not be necessary gear for a day on the green watching a baseball game, they can be optional but not necessary. I go to a game to watch the game with the eyes I was born with, not to be inundated with electronic selling opportunities every time we score a run. To make these devices a central facet of the in-game experience is to create a second-class citizenship for anyone who for whatever reason does not possess such devices. No matter how enticing and cool the technology looks as they flash it on giant presentation screens to make you want it more than you do life itself. When we hit a HR I wanna hug and hi-five the total stranger next to me, not be funneled into a personalized replay-with-ads scenario based on what CDs I bought on Amazon.com last week.
They are talking about seat-specific screens, ones that will detect from your cell phone what products you like and target-advertise you at your seat. Jesus Christ. What's that, personal mobile spyware for a new generation? You don't get enough unwanted spam e-mail at home already, now they want you to be subject to somebody's carefully-constructed marketing moment every second you're on the premises? I say fuck that. Fuck it. No way.
The 200-foot video screen outside the place sounds lovely. Gee, let's wait in traffic for hours for a vaunted, special opportunity to watch more TV. The idea seems to be to intentionally create scarcity with the tiniest seating capacity in MLB, then exploit the scarcity without having to actually sell the people you have lured actual seats. Maybe they won't watch the game at all, maybe you can just drop them down via trapdoor into The Cirkus of Cisco Systems Purchasing Playground, where they can demo every last product made by your company until their fingers fall off. And, to top it all off, they're talking about PSLs, which is really short for Perfectly Stupid Lemmings, in reference to the kind of person who will willingly pay for the right to pay for something.
What this all tastes like is the next logical step in the corporate takeover of everything on Earth, which began long ago but saw its most recent Grand Quantum Leap Forward in sports when the stadiums went from being named for the cities they were in to being named for corporations which had purchased the "naming rights". Now, we get the next wave, where the identities of the team and the sponsor are so intertwined, and the products so cross-hybridized, that there is no "team" anymore, just a meta-logo like when McDonalds' Happy Meals have Star Wars aliens on them whenever the latest Star Wars film comes out. If you look at the logo they put out at the site, "Future Home of Cisco Field" is predominant and the A's logo is at the bottom, more like an afterthought. The house band at the mall, the shrine to themselves these Cisco people are planning to build with an incidental baseball team as their beard. People were so afraid the A's would have to move to Las Vegas, but now it appears as if Cisco has brought Vegas, or at least its garish, consumption-as-all-pervading-focus-of-existence aesthetic, to Fremont.
Whatever happened to the sanctity of hallowed tradition, like baseball used to represent, can anyone tell me? Whatever happened to the concept of "ill-gotten gains," and how they were to be avoided even as they tried with all their power to entice the uncorrupted? This little project may double the A's payroll, but are they even going to be the "A's" anymore? Or some Frankenstein monster that appears to wear the Athletics' uniforms but with Cisco's brain and corporate-competitive muscle? Like the Yankees but with snazzy, bleeping computer gear instead of a TV network deal supplying the largesse needed for Empire. I don't approve of Empire, because it inevitably leads to a fatal imbalance of distributed resources and situational power, and I don't want to be one, or root for one. The very prospect scares me. Away.
Friends, I know a lot of you can't or won't agree, and I understand. All things must pass. But if this represents the future than I don't wanna go. Count me out. Especially if they are gonna add insult to injury and let the product suffer until they leave Oakland, then bulk it back up again with the addition of big-money talent to go with the big-money facility when the move finally happens. Based on what I am sensing (who's our DH now, Brandon Buckley?), I can't be entirely assured that isn't the plan right now.
I'm sorry, it tears my heart into a million pieces, but I feel like I may be done with the A's.
"There's nothing real in the world anymore," someone once said, or something like that. Say it ain't so.
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Some commonsense from the Heartland
Can you blame a businessman for making a business decision?
If you guys in Oakland could fill the seats, maybe they wouldn't have to cover them up with a tarp.
I know what I just said is going to piss more than a few people off... but that's the way I see it from a distance.
I love the A's and will no matter where they end up.
by brenarlo on Nov 16, 2006 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees fill the seats.
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees are building a stadium..
Heck, in that case, wouldn't you?
by Ozzz on Nov 16, 2006 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I would.
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're putting the cart before the horse.
It ain't the other way around, though a new stadium in Oakland would have been enough to keep them around a while.
by Ozzz on Nov 16, 2006 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the other MLB teams will pay for most of
by green star oakland on Nov 16, 2006 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that does piss me off a bit, but ...
Do you blame consumers for allowing Doc Grinspoon's Patented Frog-Spittle Liniment to linger on the shelves at the apothecary? Do you blame consumers for allowing Acme Powdered Wigs Amalgamated, LLC to fall into receivership? Do you blame consumers for allowing fleets of 'sploding Pintos (or crumpling Corsairs) to rust on the sales lots? Do you blame consumers for not actually buying Mark Halperin's new book?
by monkeyball on Nov 16, 2006 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
any comment that ridicules Halperin
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Ralph Nader for it all!
by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 16, 2006 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind the Corvair
by Poppy on Nov 17, 2006 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph Nader killed my father with a spork
by monkeyball on Nov 17, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Bob Dylan said it best:
by wordfromthewise on Nov 16, 2006 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this whole thing
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's really just begging the question, though
by monkeyball on Nov 16, 2006 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is
And while I agree that those fans are coming on board for superficial reasons, and it sucks, but they are still fans. And more importantly they are PAYING fans who will actually come to the ballpark 5 games a year as opposed to watching it on TV.
In case you haven't realized it: money motivates people. And you know what? I am one to believe that there is nothing wrong with admitting that. Its a measure of advancement of the human race, the ability to survive, and it is a measure of success. I didn't write the rules, I only play by them.
The owners and players play for money. Thats the name of the game. Winning is important to, but the ability to do that depends on how much money is involved. Therefor money is the driving factor. If you're not ok with that they go watch little leage games. But if you want the best you gotta get with the times.
by wordfromthewise on Nov 16, 2006 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They won't be FANS, just curiosity seekers.
by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 16, 2006 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No but they may in 10 years
by wordfromthewise on Nov 16, 2006 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 16, 2006 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because they don't really love baseball
by Brian in 317 on Nov 17, 2006 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mommy, daddy
by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 17, 2006 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wordtothewise???
by froggiethegremlin on Nov 17, 2006 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is ...
Oh, but wait, there is more. All of this wisdom from which we might learn, I'm thrilled!
The casual fan must be friggin excited. Yes, oh yes, they must be. I'm absolutely certain that they are just ecstatic about the possibility that a team that they have never bothered to follow might have a new stadium in four years. I can't imagine how that this news could be anywhere except the forefront of their collective mind. Oh, you are ever so wise. Thank you, thank you!!!
And you're obviously right that it would be simply foolish to have any thoughts or feelings that aren't in lockstep with the organization. Clearly we should care about nothing else besides Lew Wolff's best interests.
Money motivates people? Wow, that's brilliant, let me write that down. Wait, I already did, great!
Players and owners are motivated by money? Sure, that follows logic, they are people after all.
Winning is important? OK, I'll buy that. Good premise.
The ability to win is based on money. Definitely. Just look at the A's and Twins. Neither of them were last in the league in payroll.
Look, none of the bottom 10 teams made the playoffs:
Top 10: 3 teams (NYY, NYM, LAD)
Mid 10: 5 teams (StL, Det, SDO, Oak, Min)
Bot 10: 0 teams
The evidence is clear -- only top payroll teams make the playoffs!
You're right, if we want the best, we need to get with the times. Ok, I'll go be a Giants fan and you can go be an Angels fans for the next 36-60 months ... then we can come back and be A's fans again once they have gotten with the times too! That's a great idea, you're so wise!
by devo on Nov 17, 2006 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll only be a fan of ...
by monkeyball on Nov 17, 2006 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well then, perhaps the Pirates ...
by devo on Nov 17, 2006 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'tis a Pirate's life fer me, then!
by monkeyball on Nov 17, 2006 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Ho, Yo Ho
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
by devo on Nov 17, 2006 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what was the pirate's favorite movie rated?
by emperor nobody on Nov 17, 2006 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Reply
by H3liCat on Nov 17, 2006 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blah Blah Blah...
My post doesn't look pretty but at least I have the stones to tell it like it is and not be afraid that a few idealists can make fun of it without really making a point of their own.
Like I said...go watch Little League games if you don't like how it is. I'm pretty much done here
by wordfromthewise on Nov 20, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be ...
but I agree, wisdom and grammer by no means go hand-in-hand.
Are you accusing me of not "telling it like it is"?
I apologize if it was lost in my attempt at wit -- but if it was at all unclear, I think you are full of fecal matter.
I certainly am not afraid of a few deep thinkers making fun of that.
A's fans are not a monolyth. Some of us believe certain things -- others believe other things. Personally, I believe that I should support things that are in my best interest, regardless of what it might mean to Lew Wolff's bottom line. I also feel free to express my opinion, even if the A's have made their decision and do not care to include me in it. You think that as A's fans, we should kiss ownership's wallets, regardless of what they might be advocating. You think that once the team has spoken we all have an obligation to get in line. That's fine, you can think that. I disagree.
But I sure do appreciate you having the stones to risk some idealistic wrath in response to your ever so brave stance.
by devo on Nov 20, 2006 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This statement is kind of what I'm talking about:
"I should support things that are in my best interest"
I just believe that people are more or less the same whether you own a baseball team or if you are one of the many fans who attend baseball games. Whether you make $20,000 per year or $20,000,000. Sure some of the details are different in regards to up-bringing, etc, but we are all governed by the same biological need to survive and that is the most powerful force in any living being.
You put some words in my mouth, so I'll just clarify: I believe that, like all sane people, Lew Wolfe has his own best interest in mind first and foremost. But I do think that he cares about the sport of baseball and he cares about the fortune of the Athletics. I think that his personal goals happen to run parallel to those of the team overall. And in that sense it makes ME happy, because its MY part of the country and MY team. I understand it makes YOU upset because its YOUR city that they are moving from. So in the end I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I just want to keep as many fans as possible in this move.
If he were totally driven by money and greed, I'm sure he could have made a ton of money just through real estate development in an underdeveloped part of the country, or he could have simply moved the team to a different state. But he didn't.
I'll apologize in advance for any grammatical errors I may have made. I care about the message, not necessarily the details.
by wordfromthewise on Nov 20, 2006 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm ...
I care about what enhances my experience as a fan. Winning helps, so does being an underdog, so does having quality guys and so does having the team represent Oakland. Things that don't enhance my experience as a fan include: fancy high tech ballparks, more limited seating capacities and having a high payroll.
I see this move, overall hurting my experience as a fan. That said, I understand that Lew's a business man and they money flows through those things that don't enhance my experience and it doesn't as much through the things that do. I certainly don't begrudge him his profits.
Bottom line is, I think your basic feeling -- that this is the inevitable way things are going -- is a reasonable one.
What I object to is your assertion that there is something wrong with having reservations about that -- that there is something backwards about not jumping for joy with whatever the A's propose.
The only benefit I see myself deriving from this move is that it ensures the A's don't move further away. I accept that something like this is inevitable. I don't disagree that it is. But that doesn't mean that I have to like it.
by devo on Nov 20, 2006 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
by wordfromthewise on Nov 20, 2006 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree wholeheartedly.
I just don't understand why "the total fan experience" has to do with all these bells and whistles off the field.
Why does it take a whole new village to create revenues? Because the players play for ginormous amounts of money, and owners are greedy. Lew Wolff's side remarks throughout the press conference were some of the first I had ever heard, period (such as when the Cisco guy introduced him to the "for just $150, fans can have their picture taken from one of the in-stadium cameras and put on the big screen! What dyou think of that, Lew?" ..."I like the $150 part.")
Plus, they gotta make a profit EVERY year. That means, if they made money last year, they gotta make MORE money this year. Rinse and repeat until the city's fans reach saturation of the wallet, then pull up stakes and go to the next town.
I don't blame the A's for this move, I blame the City of Oakland for not placing a value on the team. Did you happen to catch the local news the night of the press conf? Ignacio de la Fuente was in a local elementary school getting his picture taken so as to be seen as "this is what I think is important for the city" ... as if the many A's charities never amounted to anything for Oakland. His actual quotes about the team leaving were the worst too, all nice clippable soundbites that absolve him of any responsibility or opinion on the matter. Problem was the station (KTVU i think) played his quotes as he said them, and they made no sense at all in sequence.
Anyway... I am mad about the whole thing right now too. From the look of our prospective manager and DH, it just seems like everyone is abandoning ship. Hard not to want to do the same, it's like the writing is on the wall.
by popcornjames on Nov 16, 2006 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A ghetto-fabulous St. Paul with nicer weather
This isn't much against the harsh consumptivist tide, but even if the plan exceeds Lew's wildest dreams, the A's won't reach the Yankee/BoSox/Dodger strata. More in the Blue Jay/Phillie neighborhood.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 16, 2006 4:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WAAHHHHHH!
by Ray Kinsella on Nov 16, 2006 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes, thousands of new fans
"Did we score a touchdown yet? Oh wait, that's my boss on line 2."
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you need to read and comment on it?
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap
...what a horrible comment.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So the empathectomy was a success then ?
by green star oakland on Nov 16, 2006 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sorry...
I've been an A's fan since 1968 and the threat of them moving to another state has been a possibility for a good portion of the time they have been in Oakland.
I'm just relieved that they won't be moving out of state and I'm excited about a new stadium and the future of the team.
by Ray Kinsella on Nov 16, 2006 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Figures you'd believe:
by Brian in 317 on Nov 17, 2006 7:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
two very minor quibbles
And not to get all David Horowitz, but you might want to rethink that whole Black Panthers-as-a-selling-point-for-Oakland thing.
Otherwise, while I don't line up with you 100% on every single sentiment, it's all marvelously expressed.
by monkeyball on Nov 16, 2006 4:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you better believe the Panthers are
Yes, can you tell that I can see the exact spot across the street where Huey P. Newton was killed in a crack-deal gone wrong... from my bedroom window?
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't get me wrong ...
And there were lots of soldiers who believed in the siren song of the recruiting call.
And J Edgar and Ed Meese and their minions most assuredly engaged in illegal and unethical acts in their crusade against the BPs.
But when you get right down to it, the organization was a confidence game -- and a heavily armed con game at that.
by monkeyball on Nov 16, 2006 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a new and revised...
by kvn on Nov 16, 2006 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Death to Realism!
by monkeyball on Nov 17, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
crack deal gone wrong
by xbhaskarx on Nov 18, 2006 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
black panthers
while i probably disagree with 95% of the stuff they did or believed in, i disagree.
we glorify/admire many people in this country who may not have been wonderful (bonnie and clyde, billy the kid, etc). america loves rebels and outlaws.
by xbhaskarx on Nov 18, 2006 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's raining salt,
by southofcruiseamerica on Nov 16, 2006 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Emperor, sir.
But if you enjoy the game itself--the tradition, the history, the strategy and skill--don't let those making these changes take that away from you. That's the one thing that can't be bought or sold.
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
by walk off bunt on Nov 16, 2006 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's really unfortunate
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll only repeat
Those of you who are crapping on emperor for writing this are really, truly, tragically fucking lame.
This is the biggest story to hit the A's since 1968. Deal with it, you troll jerks.
This is really turning into a shitty blog.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's no need to defend me
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
And jeepers, I don't know ya, and though deep down I know you're right, I just can't do the high road thing anymore on this.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A little bit of both
However, I agree with you that there is a very, very negative aspect about the move. For one, the public transportation is absent, and although it may be developed a bit more, no public transportation means high school kids and anyone else can't go the game whenever they please. This is very bad. It reduces your market, intentionally disregarding the people who can't afford public transportation, despite the fact that they give the Coliseum the intangibles that it enjoyed.
Without public transportation, you won't get as many energetic kids, regular visitors, and perhaps not the icons, like the banjo guy. Not to mention that at this point in our society, what with congestion, suburbanization, and the oil crisis, it is nothing less than backwards to move a stadium from a location with ideal public transportation to one without any.
If that's not enough for you, all A's fans should be offended by the plan to create a 34,000 seat stadium, the smallest in baseball. The sole reason for a small stadium is, as you stated, to create artificial scarcity as to raise ticket prices. There is no motive other than money, naturally, but the cost is the fans' experience. By limiting seating capacity and focusing on corporate suites, Wolff and co. are flat-out denying a huge portion of fans, particularly the hardcore ones, from coming to games and experiencing A's baseball at its fullest. While I could go to the coliseum at a moment's notice, for $10, I will not be able to see the A's play in Cisco field hardly ever. This is NOT a temporary problem. 34,000 seats simply says: sorry folks, but we decided that it is better for the franchise if you don't show up anymore, unless you can afford expensive season tickets or work the right company.
Personally, the idea of bringing people to the ballgame so they can walk around outside the stadium to shop is very unattractive, as well, but I don't expect a lot of people to relate to that.
34,000 seats is offensive to the fanbase.
by H3liCat on Nov 16, 2006 5:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
applause
Get out of my head! ;-)
by popcornjames on Nov 17, 2006 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. That's my point!
I get it! The "evil" Lew Wolf and "Cisco Systems" corporation are lying to all of us and are out to make a profit. And "emperor nobody" feels betrayed and hurt that the A's are moving 20 miles south to Fremont. And that the game he loves is changing with the times we live in.
I understand his frustration. My football team moved 350 MILES away to Los Angeles in 1981. I decided to still be a fan even though I despised the move.
And yes I wanted to comment on it since this is still America... at least until, if or when, the Barbara Lee's of the country take over. God help us all.
by Ray Kinsella on Nov 16, 2006 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"I didn't need to read it"
by emperor nobody on Nov 16, 2006 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
America is the land of taunts and insults?
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's called freedom of speech
"Those of you who are crapping on emperor for writing this are really, truly, tragically fucking lame."
"Deal with it, you troll jerks"
by Ray Kinsella on Nov 16, 2006 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you saw my comment on that.
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest you read it
This is about business, not baseball.
Accordingly, it will benefit business, not baseball. Revenue from expensive seats, shopping malls, and real estate, at the expense of the fan experience.
by H3liCat on Nov 16, 2006 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I recommended this diary, then accidentally clicked "unrecommend" when I tried to see who else recommended it.
So here's a verbal recommendation.
Go Oakland.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
66th and Emperor.
by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You got it.
I'll bring the credit units, or monetary digits, or whatever will pass for money in the ballpark of the future.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
by H3liCat on Nov 16, 2006 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The chip
by billyball1981 on Nov 17, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Okay, you're invited too.
by 66th Hegenberger on Nov 16, 2006 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick! To the front page!
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We all just want to hear ourselves talk
by wordfromthewise on Nov 16, 2006 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
Emperor has got an important message.
by H3liCat on Nov 16, 2006 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Yea
by wordfromthewise on Nov 16, 2006 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad...
I'm sad for the Oakland kids who won't have a ballpark to call home over the summer, or to relax at when playing hooky from school. I'm sad for the stadium workers, many who have been there for years, who won't have jobs during 6 months of the year.
I'm sad that the city took the team for granted. I'm sad finding a suitable Oakland ballpark site wasn't a priority for city officials. I'm sad that Oakland won't have that uniting factor, Our Team, to rally behind in Octobers to come.
I'm just sad for Oakland.
by high street on Nov 16, 2006 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
great great post
by Brian in 317 on Nov 17, 2006 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
About the huge screen behind the ballpark, have you been to Petco Park? They kind of gleaned the idea from them, and I think it's great. For $5, you get a "Park Pass," and it's perfect for families with young kids - a demographic that the A's really need to target (Little League/Youth Group days notwithstanding). They have a wiffleball field, which is really popular with the kids, and a big grassy hill. You can see game on the screen, and you can still stuff your face with hot dogs and hear the roar of the crowd. I was pretty excited when I saw that Cisco Field would have it.
I feel for you on the Oakland tradition. Many of the "die-hard baseball-breathing A's fans," grew up with Rudi, Reggie, Stew, Eck, Rickey and so on. I totally respect and love the history that the A's have had in Oakland.
In full disclosure, I have to say that I have never seen the aforementioned players live, nor have I been to a game at the pre-Mt. Davis Coliseum. But I sure as hell love baseball all the same as those who were able to see such amazing sights.
From my house in East Contra Costa County, it's an hour and a half trip (driving to BART + riding on BART) to the Coliseum, and I don't mind it at all. I have no problem going another half an hour or so further to Fremont.
Yes, I know there will be a lot of corporate people who couldn't tell Antonio Perez from Eric Chavez. There will be a lot of technological stuff all around. But that doesn't mean you have to make use of it. I'm sure (at least I sure as hell hope) these screens are in front of your seat won't be too intrusive. So my seat knows that I love garlic fries. I'll get up and buy them when I'm good and ready. If you don't like all the techno stuff... just ignore it and cheer your ass off.
Sorry if I kind of went off on a tangent, just wanted to point some things out.
by JLaff on Nov 17, 2006 7:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very important, very, very well written . . .
by froggiethegremlin on Nov 17, 2006 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The A's are Dead! Long Live Nobody!
by LAXile on Nov 17, 2006 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Arguably the best diary I've seen here.
by Cutthemullet on Nov 18, 2006 12:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, nobody
As someone who makes his living off of the "information age" directly, Cisco, I can't get too much traction arguing against the march of technology in your personal space. And being only 30 years old, I can't really relate to "the good old days" you wrote about.
But, if I may, a juvenile suggestion. Go to the games at the new park, check it out. But bring a mini cell phone jammer to silently voice your displeasure with the mobile'ness of it all.
by eamb on Nov 18, 2006 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What nonsense
(And just so none of you think I just don't get it or I'm some kind of newbie, I went to the first A's game ever at the Coiseum as a seven year old. I've gone for the next thirty-eight years. I own season tickets. I love taking my kids. I love Oakland and its fans.)
All right, my parenthetical disclaimer aside, I just don't see what's the big deal. The A's aren't going anywhere. They're not even leaving the county. They're moving down the street.
Their current stadium isn't particularly special. It isn't made for baseball and it doesn't generate the revenue to compete in the future.
All of you should be celebrating the fact that we will now likely have this team here forever. That is great fucking news. All of you should be celebrating that the team will likely have more money and be more competitive. That's great fucking news, too.
And the new stadium itself? Look, I vote democratic, my father was a union man, and I even listen to KPFA. But, for god's sake, stop demonizing the new field. It's just stupid. Just so full of pointless hate. I have no doubt that I will go to the new Cisco Field with my children and have a great time. I will go for the baseball game and the team. Whatever else is there, so what.
Going on and on about how this is all so awful, about how the team you love is staying in the area and getting a new stadium is awful betrays a monumental blindness.
by RLangford on Nov 18, 2006 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
bye-bye Oakland, hello Pacific Rim and beyond
by froggiethegremlin on Nov 18, 2006 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it was explained to me over ale
Apparently Cisco was the largest of these companies, getting stuck with acres and acres of land along I-880, in the South Bay, and, that's right, in Fremont. What my ale companion was saying is that this stadium deal is Cisco's way of lessening the loss they were incurring with the untouched land by hanging it on Wolff and the A's to fit much of the bill to develop it whilst they get a Cisco-theme-park disguised as a baseball stadium.
Ouch. Now I feel even sicker, somebody get me a bucket.
by emperor nobody on Nov 19, 2006 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Deep and pointless
Yeah right, this is a more significant move than going across country. Except I can still go to games and enjoy media coverage and enjoy local radio coverage.
Gee, those aren't really significant differences are they?
Get ahold of yourself. The A's remain in the area and will be more competitive. They get a beautiful new stadium. But wait, oh no, a corporation is involved. Who gives a shit. What, do you think the team is selling its soul? Are you so delusional that you somehow think this is a mom and pop business right now? Do you think Zito and Thomas and Tejada and Giambi and all these other guys making millions and millions of dollars are just the local boys made good. Open your eyes and stop fooling yourself.
by RLangford on Nov 19, 2006 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the thread
you sum up the emotional side of the argument well.
I also agree with RLangford, I'm stoked the A's aren't leaving the area. I'm a NRAF.
I feel sorry for the A's fans who have hoped for a downtown ballpark, because lets face it, until teleportation gets the kinks worked out, baseball works best when its a short walk or bus ride from work.
I think the city of Oakland blew it, especially Jerry Brown, by not making a park happen on Lake Merrit by a bart station. That would have sparked the downtown development.
I agree with what you say about baseball, in an urban area, you're going to the game to slow your life down, to see the grass, to high five the stranger, etc. I hope the applications aren't too overbearing. At the same time, a lot of what we love about the Moneyball A's is that they are willing to be contrarian and do things different.
We'll see how it plays out, but they are sure a fascinating franchise to follow.
by connie mack on Nov 19, 2006 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
























