Hot Stove: Zito AND Thomas Doing the Texas Two-Step?
Now that the dust is settling a bit on the "worst kept secret" in baseball, that being the A's proposed move to Fremont, we've got some baseball issues to deal with. OK, the dust hasn't really settled, but I want to talk about something else for a little while.
The biggest one being the fact that the Texas Rangers are now not only pursuing Barry Zito, but Frank Thomas as well.
The Zito signing is something that feels largely out of the A's control. I would still be very surprised if Zito picked the relative obscurity of Arlington, Texas over the bright lights of New York and Los Angeles, but hey, Zito loves his money (I don't begrudge him for that) and Texas very well could be the highest bidder (see Rodriguez, Alex for an example of this).
As for the Frank Thomas signing, I think it would be a HUGE blow to the A's. At the same time, I don't want to see the A's completely overpay and extend the contract an extra year for someone who very well could break down and soon. Just because Thomas experienced such an amazing renaissance this season doesn't mean that his wheels will hold up. He's like an eighteen wheeler with nails in all 18 tires. It's freaking powerful and scary, but sooner or later those tires are going to shred. It was no secret that Ron Washington developed a bond with Frank Thomas, so this one could very well come true. Especially if the Rangers are willing to extend the contract to three years and overpay. Something, not ironically, that might be more possible if the A's were in Fremont already. Wait, I'm supposed to be getting AWAY from that topic.
As for the A's managerial search, Beane denied that the decision has already been made yesterday saying that the three candidates, A's bench coach Bob Geren, ESPN analyst Orel Hershiser and Colorado bench coach Jamie Quirk were all still in the running.
The reaction from fans, I would imagine, will likely be anger and ambivalence for the final candidates.
Most fans were angry enough to accuse the managerial search of being a sham when Beane let Washington go. A's fans will continue to claim that Beane knew he wanted Geren from the start and mostly just put on his long and exhaustive search just to make sure that some of the candidates were whittled away. That way he could choose the guy he always wanted without appearing like he was disrespecting Washington.
My feelings on this are that Beane knows what he'll likely be getting in Geren since Geren was a manager with teams in his minor league system. He knows Geren extremely well given that they are very close friends and probably has an idea if they can work together. If folks want to say that one is a lap dog for the other, that's your choice to do so. I personally don't think you should say that until you see things in action, but hey, what the hell do I know?
As for Quirk, most people know very little about him and how he would be as a manager. Beane also has a fairly established relationship with him. But I think this will be someone who will be viewed with ambivalence coming into the job. Course it will probably take about a week into spring training before someone will start the cry of "FIRE QUIRK NOW!!!" That's just the life of a manager. It doesn't take long to be despised by a baseball fanbase.
I'm relatively ambivalent myself on Quirk since I don't know much about him as a coach either. Although his name is a headline writer's dream. "A's Clubhouse Full of Quirk", "Billy Beane Chooses Quirk", "A's Lose Due to Quirk of Fate". It's just too bad he wouldn't be able to manage Zito since he's the guy most associated with quirk in these parts.
And finally, the most intriguing one and I guarantee the one that most of the media in the Bay Area is rooting for...Orel Hershiser. Could you imagine the guy that basically pwned (not a typo, this is lingo that the hip young kids are using online these days) the A's in the World Series. A guy who was basically the franchises nemesis by arguably having a greater impact on that 88 World Series than that over-replayed Gibson bomb. I imagine that would be something akin to Apollo Creed becoming Rocky Balboa's manager. Oh wait...
Seriously, I'm more willing to let bygones be bygones as long as Hershiser gets the A's to where they need to be. And I think Beane probably has a better handle on this than anyone.
Any way, I've got to imagine that folks will be angry if it winds up being Geren (it should've been WASHINGTON will be the rallying cry of this group), ambivalent with a bit more opened mindedness if it's Quirk (this dude hasn't done anything to make us dislike him yet - wait until he brings in Street too early for that to happen) and anger bordering on rioting if it's Hershiser (the memory is still too recent and I will never love the guy no matter what happens). The biggest question out of all of this is, if Beane doesn't value a manager at all, why has he spent so much time looking for a new one? Maybe the conspiracy theorists are right in that it was a deliberately long search to help other teams narrow his choices. I imagine Geren wasn't high on any other team's list.
Any way, it's exciting times in Athletics Nation. And I haven't even mentioned what the A's might do outside of Zito, Thomas and the manager. Ah, the hot stove, I missed you so.
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By the way
by Blez on
Nov 15, 2006 12:03 PM PST
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Blez, come on!
by china bob on
Nov 15, 2006 1:59 PM PST
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No need to imagine, Blez.
by Salvatore on
Nov 15, 2006 11:06 PM PST
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Remember...
by billyball1981 on
Nov 15, 2006 12:15 PM PST
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Exactly
by sf drift king on
Nov 15, 2006 2:53 PM PST
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if the A's are going to hire
As long as I'm dreaming, maybe the A's could also give me a pony.
by rubin sierra on
Nov 15, 2006 12:24 PM PST
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Sorry all ponies
by Blez on
Nov 15, 2006 12:30 PM PST
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Harold Reynolds
by IndianaAsfan on
Nov 15, 2006 2:09 PM PST
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Thomas
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 12:35 PM PST
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No offense
In a word, BB would be getting: pwn3d
by RayRay59 on
Nov 15, 2006 12:35 PM PST
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If Orel gets the gig...
by YouSunkMyBlankenship on
Nov 15, 2006 12:37 PM PST
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Or Kirk Gibson.
by oblique on
Nov 15, 2006 12:49 PM PST
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Yeah!
by K56 on
Nov 16, 2006 8:44 AM PST
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Another point to the theory
by Half Massed on
Nov 15, 2006 12:54 PM PST
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I hope it's Hershiser
by gojohn10 on
Nov 15, 2006 12:55 PM PST
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Orel and Barry
by Murph21 on
Nov 15, 2006 1:02 PM PST
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Zito and Frank
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 1:13 PM PST
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Zito yes, Thomas no
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 1:17 PM PST
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thats pretty much the difference
Thomas in their lineup = nice little added luxury, even with a slow (or slowing) bat.
by digsthelongball on
Nov 15, 2006 1:26 PM PST
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Oh, I agree ...
From the rumors we've been seeing, IIRC, Billy is offering Frank 2 years guaranteed (which I think is an error but not a huge one) and Frank wants another year and more money (both of which would be big errors). I think Frank's good as gone anyway.
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:23 PM PST
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Bad situation
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 2:27 PM PST
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Zonis' idea
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 2:31 PM PST
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We're scheduled to have a cage match
by jeepers on
Nov 15, 2006 2:34 PM PST
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I like the Durazo idea, too
Interesting side note: look who's sponsoring Kielty's page at baseball-reference!
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:32 PM PST
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Is he trying to bait us
by jeepers on
Nov 15, 2006 2:33 PM PST
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he's a master
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:35 PM PST
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Quibble
by salb918 on
Nov 15, 2006 1:25 PM PST
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That's 100% correct.
by jeepers on
Nov 15, 2006 1:39 PM PST
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McGwire also
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 1:44 PM PST
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And unlike Gary Sheffield
by jeepers on
Nov 15, 2006 1:46 PM PST
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FIRE QUIBBLE NOW!!!
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:20 PM PST
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No way
by scutaroknowstheway on
Nov 15, 2006 6:11 PM PST
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Any Chance of Billy throwing us a huge curve ball?
But what I mean is; is there any chance there might be a 4th person that we just don't know about? What are the chances that Billy has an Ace up his sleeve?
Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part due to the fact that none of these guys thrill me, but I just have a feeling Billy is going to throw us something we were NEVER expecting!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Nov 15, 2006 1:35 PM PST
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I don't really think so BBG
I have the funny feeling it will be Quirk judging by what BB said about him. As I have stated many times this ranks with the name change in 2010, a lot of nothing about nothing. You win with players not the manager. It is for sure a manager can tick off the clubhouse and have a revolt but on the field the manager has a minor role.
More importantly, what BB said about Macha was more revealing in that there was NO communication between the manager and the front office, he didn't mention a word about Macha and the players.
by china bob on
Nov 15, 2006 1:56 PM PST
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Eh... Oh well
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on
Nov 15, 2006 2:14 PM PST
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GM / Manager = Billy Beane?
That would be ultra-ego-outstanding!
by Colorado Fan on
Nov 15, 2006 3:18 PM PST
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all our exes play for texas...
by ArakSOT on
Nov 15, 2006 1:56 PM PST
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LOL
by 0R0H0E on
Nov 15, 2006 4:06 PM PST
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it was pure country
by ak_A on
Nov 15, 2006 5:12 PM PST
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good one, twang!
by ak_A on
Nov 15, 2006 5:11 PM PST
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Not Bad . . .
by jarforcefatherofforce on
Nov 15, 2006 6:54 PM PST
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Sounds like the Big Hurt is going elsewhere
Reading between the lines: The A's are not actively negotiating with Thomas' agent. After the agent secures the highest price he can possibly get on the open market, he will give Beane the chance to match it, knowing that Beane almost never pays full-market price for any player.
Get used to the idea of the Big Hurt striking a Chuck Norris pose in a billboard with the caption "Thomas: Texas Ranger".
by MJB on
Nov 15, 2006 2:02 PM PST
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Yeah, that doesn't sound encouraging.
by salb918 on
Nov 15, 2006 2:05 PM PST
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More draft picks!
Yay....?
by franks a lot on
Nov 15, 2006 2:08 PM PST
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He's Type B
It's too bad that the exclusive negotiating window wasn't used, although to be fair, that may have been Frank's decision and not Billy's. Trying to plug two holes in the lineup when our trade assets are at an all-time low will not be easy.
by jeepers on
Nov 15, 2006 2:11 PM PST
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Make a "cash considerations" trade
by franks a lot on
Nov 15, 2006 2:14 PM PST
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see Gerard's post below
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:25 PM PST
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Yes, and they use nonsensical
by salb918 on
Nov 15, 2006 2:26 PM PST
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They don't have to be public
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 2:29 PM PST
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'77's leading statistical indicators
Broads shagged
Blow scored
Ennui fended off
Number of times John Bolton seen but successfully avoided at Plato's Retreat
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:35 PM PST
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Yeah but he's a type B
by Gerard on
Nov 15, 2006 2:15 PM PST
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this doesn't mean too much.
beane is too smart to snooker himself with a bad frank contract. i was hoping that he'd get into the sheff situation but that's not happening. what beane needs to do is find a 30-35+ yr old player looking for a rebound contract or in the last yr of a contract. i'm too lazy to research that. only one that come to my mind is m. alou. he could play some leftfield but mainly DH.
by bigelephant on
Nov 15, 2006 6:03 PM PST
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geesh
by bigelephant on
Nov 15, 2006 7:18 PM PST
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Take a bow, dude.
by BubbaDude on
Nov 15, 2006 7:47 PM PST
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it was the Jack D talkin'
by bigelephant on
Nov 15, 2006 7:50 PM PST
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Then take the Jack D to Vegas with you
Guess Peter Gammons was prescient a couple of weeks ago when he wrote, "This industry is awash in cash."
by MJB on
Nov 15, 2006 9:28 PM PST
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Blez dog on SF Gate -
by digsthelongball on
Nov 15, 2006 2:25 PM PST
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Blez is a 'high-tech entrepreneur' !
by iglew on
Nov 15, 2006 3:43 PM PST
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I suggested a while ago on AN...
It seems that I was near the mark. I knew Thomas would go for the money this offseason since he hasn't made much in his career (~100 MM) while comprables players like Sheffield (~160 MM with a newly minted 41 MM dollar extension) and Thome have made more. He's also had his record label fail and gone through a divorce.
He's going for the money. I don't think he returns to the A's unless they're the high bidder.
Beware, though, if Thomas begins talking about 'respect.' Then you'll know you've lost him.
by Stealfirstbase on
Nov 15, 2006 2:56 PM PST
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only 100 million huh
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 15, 2006 3:07 PM PST
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Well,
by Stealfirstbase on
Nov 15, 2006 3:56 PM PST
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Remember...
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 15, 2006 5:02 PM PST
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Well,
He's got to make enough cash to keep up with the lifestyle.
by Stealfirstbase on
Nov 15, 2006 9:09 PM PST
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FT would be crazy to sign with TX
by oaklandbbfan on
Nov 15, 2006 3:18 PM PST
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What if Billy has a Sammy up his sleeve?
by sslinger on
Nov 15, 2006 3:24 PM PST
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I would sign Sosa
by BlameChannel53 on
Nov 15, 2006 3:38 PM PST
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now the other barry?
by giambizombie on
Nov 15, 2006 4:26 PM PST
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the thing about Bonds ...
Would have said no way except that the even most of the A's fans were (somewhat quietly) cheering him in game I went to at at the Coli.
by vk on
Nov 15, 2006 4:48 PM PST
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Some guesstimate numbers
That would be $15 million in gross revenue. Nearly all of that "extra revenue" would be profit because all of the overhead is already paid -- stadium costs, facilities, wages, etc.
So if you pay Bonds $10 million for one season, and he sells a half million tickets, the A's make $5 million, maybe more.
Adjust those numbers a bit if you like, but that's a rough idea.
by MJB on
Nov 15, 2006 5:47 PM PST
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If Quirk is hired...
Quirk, Plunk, Klink! ;)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Nov 15, 2006 4:41 PM PST
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I want Hershiser
by SD Erik on
Nov 15, 2006 4:55 PM PST
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Iwamura...
by gdub171 on
Nov 15, 2006 5:01 PM PST
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which team posted for him?
by Cutthemullet on
Nov 15, 2006 5:03 PM PST
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uh oh!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2663691
(sorry don't know how to set up a link)
by oak in nam on
Nov 15, 2006 6:05 PM PST
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We knew he would chase the big bucks
by Charlie Brown on
Nov 15, 2006 6:55 PM PST
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Hello Canada Frank...
by compy75 on
Nov 15, 2006 6:06 PM PST
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the blue jays?!?!?!?!?
by flipgatey3 on
Nov 15, 2006 6:42 PM PST
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The perfect fit
by BubbaDude on
Nov 15, 2006 7:45 PM PST
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not all worried
by bigelephant on
Nov 15, 2006 7:12 PM PST
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agreed all around
by monkeyball on
Nov 15, 2006 7:22 PM PST
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