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Hot Stove: Zito AND Thomas Doing the Texas Two-Step?

Now that the dust is settling a bit on the "worst kept secret" in baseball, that being the A's proposed move to Fremont, we've got some baseball issues to deal with.  OK, the dust hasn't really settled, but I want to talk about something else for a little while.

The biggest one being the fact that the Texas Rangers are now not only pursuing Barry Zito, but Frank Thomas as well.

The Zito signing is something that feels largely out of the A's control.  I would still be very surprised if Zito picked the relative obscurity of Arlington, Texas over the bright lights of New York and Los Angeles, but hey, Zito loves his money (I don't begrudge him for that) and Texas very well could be the highest bidder (see Rodriguez, Alex for an example of this).  

As for the Frank Thomas signing, I think it would be a HUGE blow to the A's.  At the same time, I don't want to see the A's completely overpay and extend the contract an extra year for someone who very well could break down and soon.  Just because Thomas experienced such an amazing renaissance this season doesn't mean that his wheels will hold up.  He's like an eighteen wheeler with nails in all 18 tires.  It's freaking powerful and scary, but sooner or later those tires are going to shred.  It was no secret that Ron Washington developed a bond with Frank Thomas, so this one could very well come true.  Especially if the Rangers are willing to extend the contract to three years and overpay.  Something, not ironically, that might be more possible if the A's were in Fremont already.  Wait, I'm supposed to be getting AWAY from that topic.

As for the A's managerial search, Beane denied that the decision has already been made yesterday saying that the three candidates, A's bench coach Bob Geren, ESPN analyst Orel Hershiser and Colorado bench coach Jamie Quirk were all still in the running.

The reaction from fans, I would imagine, will likely be anger and ambivalence for the final candidates.

Most fans were angry enough to accuse the managerial search of being a sham when Beane let Washington go.  A's fans will continue to claim that Beane knew he wanted Geren from the start and mostly just put on his long and exhaustive search just to make sure that some of the candidates were whittled away.  That way he could choose the guy he always wanted without appearing like he was disrespecting Washington.  

My feelings on this are that Beane knows what he'll likely be getting in Geren since Geren was a manager with teams in his minor league system.  He knows Geren extremely well given that they are very close friends and probably has an idea if they can work together.  If folks want to say that one is a lap dog for the other, that's your choice to do so.  I personally don't think you should say that until you see things in action, but hey, what the hell do I know?

As for Quirk, most people know very little about him and how he would be as a manager.  Beane also has a fairly established relationship with him.  But I think this will be someone who will be viewed with ambivalence coming into the job.  Course it will probably take about a week into spring training before someone will start the cry of "FIRE QUIRK NOW!!!"  That's just the life of a manager.  It doesn't take long to be despised by a baseball fanbase.  

I'm relatively ambivalent myself on Quirk since I don't know much about him as a coach either.  Although his name is a headline writer's dream.  "A's Clubhouse Full of Quirk", "Billy Beane Chooses Quirk", "A's Lose Due to Quirk of Fate".  It's just too bad he wouldn't be able to manage Zito since he's the guy most associated with quirk in these parts.

And finally, the most intriguing one and I guarantee the one that most of the media in the Bay Area is rooting for...Orel Hershiser.  Could you imagine the guy that basically pwned (not a typo, this is lingo that the hip young kids are using online these days) the A's in the World Series.  A guy who was basically the franchises nemesis by arguably having a greater impact on that 88 World Series than that over-replayed Gibson bomb.  I imagine that would be something akin to Apollo Creed becoming Rocky Balboa's manager.  Oh wait...

Seriously, I'm more willing to let bygones be bygones as long as Hershiser gets the A's to where they need to be.  And I think Beane probably has a better handle on this than anyone.

Any way, I've got to imagine that folks will be angry if it winds up being Geren (it should've been WASHINGTON will be the rallying cry of this group), ambivalent with a bit more opened mindedness if it's Quirk (this dude hasn't done anything to make us dislike him yet - wait until he brings in Street too early for that to happen) and anger bordering on rioting if it's Hershiser (the memory is still too recent and I will never love the guy no matter what happens).  The biggest question out of all of this is, if Beane doesn't value a manager at all, why has he spent so much time looking for a new one?  Maybe the conspiracy theorists are right in that it was a deliberately long search to help other teams narrow his choices.  I imagine Geren wasn't high on any other team's list.

Any way, it's exciting times in Athletics Nation.  And I haven't even mentioned what the A's might do outside of Zito, Thomas and the manager.  Ah, the hot stove, I missed you so.

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By the way
Ken Macha finished third in votes for AL Manager of the Year and received five first place votes.  Gotta add that to the resume, Mach.

by Blez on Nov 15, 2006 12:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blez, come on!
A week for the "Fire Quirk" comments, no, I say, 2 days max.  With the "bulldog" it will only take hours.  For Geren, it will be immediately.  I liked BB's comments when asked about Geren. "I have a lot of close friends but I would not hand over the reins of this team to them."

by china bob on Nov 15, 2006 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need to imagine, Blez.
Garen wasn't on any other team's list, period.

by Salvatore on Nov 15, 2006 11:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember...
Thomas had a great season, so did John Jaha in 1999, then the foot gave out. Call me shellshocked but that is what worries me about Thomas.

by billyball1981 on Nov 15, 2006 12:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
This is what I've been saying all along... If Texas causes his price to jump, then we should look to spend our cash elsewhere.

by sf drift king on Nov 15, 2006 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if the A's are going to hire
a BBTN analyst, I'd rather have it be Kruk or Harold Reynolds. And if it is a yes-man Billy wants as manager, maybe they could interview Robert Buan. My hope is that Extra Innings could then go to somebody better.  
As long as I'm dreaming, maybe the A's could also give me a pony.
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Nov 15, 2006 12:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry all ponies
will be going to Nico and Cindi.  They called dibs.

by Blez on Nov 15, 2006 12:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?
I called Dan Patrick.  That trumps dibs.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harold Reynolds
Hugs for everyone!

by IndianaAsfan on Nov 15, 2006 2:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thomas
We don't have to sign Thomas, but we do have to replace him if he is gone.  I really don't know where we can find a bat like his in our price range.  It's hard to see how we make the playoffs next year without Thomas or some reasonable approximation in our lineup absent some huge offensive turnarounds from guys like Chavez, Crosby and Kotsay.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No offense
but overpaying for Thomas would be a big mistake, so I agree with Blez on that point.

In a word, BB would be getting: pwn3d

A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 15, 2006 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Orel gets the gig...
...he'll need a new third base coach. I wonder if Jose Rijo is available.

by YouSunkMyBlankenship on Nov 15, 2006 12:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Kirk Gibson.
Certum est quod certum reddi potest.

by oblique on Nov 15, 2006 12:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah!
"Every time I look at a Yankees hat, I see a swastika turned slightly off kilter."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by K56 on Nov 16, 2006 8:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another point to the theory
that Texas is trying to get to the playoffs using all A's castoffs.  

by Half Massed on Nov 15, 2006 12:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope it's Hershiser
Honestly, I respect the guy. He dominated the A's in '88, but I can't fault the guy for being on his game. Maybe I'm missing something, did he talk trash or flip-off our dugout once LA clinched? Maybe he let a Boo-ya slip after the complete game shutout in game 2? Regardless, he wears glasses and looks like a nerd, making me think he'd fit perfectly with our statistics minded approach ;)
I miss Bill King :(

by gojohn10 on Nov 15, 2006 12:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orel and Barry
Would Billy Beane really hire such a good friend like Bob Geren when we all know he would have to eventually fire him? Would BB sacrifice a lifelong friendship for a promotion. If Geren gets the job, the team tanks, how would the GM handle that? As for Big Hurt, he is on borrowed time. I get the feeling that Beane is going to hold out signing Thomas, then end up signing Bonds for one year and a option. Beane loves Bonds, it would be great for attendance, and would be a bid FU to the Giants.

by Murph21 on Nov 15, 2006 1:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito and Frank
Am I alone in wishing that the Rangers would sign both of 'em? Given Frank's health, age, and slowing bat speed, and Zito's tendency toward mediocrity, and the ducats it'd take to sign both of them, I think for Texas to sign them both this offseason would help to keep the Rangers anchored down with Seattle.
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 1:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito yes, Thomas no
I think Zito would be a very bad signing for Texas and he's not coming back to us regardless.  Without Thomas' bat, I don't see how we avoid being the worst offense in baseball.  If we could swing some sort of trade for Dunn to replace him, or some other big bat (no idea who it would be) than I could see us surviving without Thomas.  
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 1:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats pretty much the difference
Thomas in our lineup = damn near necessity

Thomas in their lineup = nice little added luxury, even with a slow (or slowing) bat.

by digsthelongball on Nov 15, 2006 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree ...
... but I myself still wouldn't give Frank more than 1 year guaranteed (I'd have a "mutual option" for a more lucrative 2nd year that kicks in if he gets more than 450 PAs in '07).

From the rumors we've been seeing, IIRC, Billy is offering Frank 2 years guaranteed (which I think is an error but not a huge one) and Frank wants another year and more money (both of which would be big errors). I think Frank's good as gone anyway.

God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad situation
for the A's.  If we take a risk and sign Frank and he gets hurt, we're fucked.  If we don't sign Frank and don't replace his offense somehow, we're fucked.  No easy answer here.  I like jeepers' Durazo idea.  His 2004 OPS numbers were quite good.  If he is finally healthy he could replace much of Frank's production.  
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 2:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zonis' idea
He suggested Durazo first.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're scheduled to have a cage match
over it.  You're going DOWN, Zonis!
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 2:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the Durazo idea, too
Howzabout a Durazo-Kielty platoon at DH?

Interesting side note: look who's sponsoring Kielty's page at baseball-reference!

God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is he trying to bait us
into sponsoring Macier Izturis' page?
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's a master
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quibble
I don't think that FT's bat speed is an issue - I've heard throughout the years that his power is not generated through exceptional bat speed.  His hitting ability is based on his eye (finding his pitch), patience (waiting for his pitch), and size.  Could be wrong on all the scoutspeak, though.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Nov 15, 2006 1:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's 100% correct.
Which is why teams try to bust Frank inside.  Unless he's geared up for it, he can't get around on it.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGwire also
Teams always tried to bust him in as well.  Long arms = slow bat on inside.  If you miss out over the plate a bit . . .
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And unlike Gary Sheffield
where you use his freakish bat speed against him by getting him to swing at junk.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 1:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FIRE QUIBBLE NOW!!!
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way
Why you want the Rangers to get a great hitter and a great pitcher. In terms of durability and realibility and even ERA Zito is a very good pitcher. Maybe FT will collapse, or maybe he'll hit forty homers. I'd rather it be us take the risk than the Rangers. They've got enough offense already.
"Every time he's in that position, he gets a hit." ~Justin Duchscherer

by scutaroknowstheway on Nov 15, 2006 6:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any Chance of Billy throwing us a huge curve ball?
Wait, what am I thinking! It is Billy, of course there is!

But what I mean is; is there any chance there might be a 4th person that we just don't know about? What are the chances that Billy has an Ace up his sleeve?

Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part due to the fact that none of these guys thrill me, but I just have a feeling Billy is going to throw us something we were NEVER expecting!

"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 15, 2006 1:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really think so BBG
In his interview today he talked about each of the candidates at length, and pretty much said that within a few days a decision will be announced, only being held up because of some personal issues BB has.
I have the funny feeling it will be Quirk judging by what BB said about him.  As I have stated many times this ranks with the name change in 2010, a lot of nothing about nothing.  You win with players not the manager.  It is for sure a manager can tick off the clubhouse and have a revolt but on the field the manager has a minor role.
More importantly, what BB said about Macha was more revealing in that there was NO communication between the manager and the front office, he didn't mention a word about Macha and the players.

by china bob on Nov 15, 2006 1:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh... Oh well
It was just a thought. Like I said, none of them seem to thrill me much, so I was just sort of hoping that wasn't the end of the list. Too bad.
"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 15, 2006 2:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GM / Manager = Billy Beane?
Maybe Billy is deciding between himself and the other 3 candidates?  

That would be ultra-ego-outstanding!

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Nov 15, 2006 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all our exes play for texas...
"San Jose A's of Fremont" is pathetic

by ArakSOT on Nov 15, 2006 1:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL
that comment goes Strait to the gut!
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Nov 15, 2006 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was pure country
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Nov 15, 2006 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good one, twang!
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Nov 15, 2006 5:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Bad . . .
 . . . if you live in the San Jose area.
Jim

by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 15, 2006 6:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like the Big Hurt is going elsewhere
From the Chron article linked above:
Beane spoke Tuesday with Frank Thomas' agent, Arn Tellem, who's exploring the open market for his client. Beane expects to hear back from Tellem and be given a chance to match any offer.

Reading between the lines: The A's are not actively negotiating with Thomas' agent.  After the agent secures the highest price he can possibly get on the open market, he will give Beane the chance to match it, knowing that Beane almost never pays full-market price for any player.

Get used to the idea of the Big Hurt striking a Chuck Norris pose in a billboard with the caption "Thomas: Texas Ranger".

MJB

by MJB on Nov 15, 2006 2:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More draft picks!
Moneyball v2.0!

Yay....?

Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Nov 15, 2006 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's Type B
by a whisker (someone tell me how 39HR, 114RBI rates as "Type B"), so we just get one second-rounder.

It's too bad that the exclusive negotiating window wasn't used, although to be fair, that may have been Frank's decision and not Billy's.  Trying to plug two holes in the lineup when our trade assets are at an all-time low will not be easy.

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 15, 2006 2:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Make a "cash considerations" trade
That will surely net us a offensive star!
Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Nov 15, 2006 2:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see Gerard's post below
Type rankings are for cumulative previous 2 (3?) years.
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, and they use nonsensical
evaluation tools.  We don't know quite how nonsensical because they don't make the machinations public.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Nov 15, 2006 2:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They don't have to be public
They come from Elias, so we know they will be based on all the latest objective analyis available . . . in 1977.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'77's leading statistical indicators
Disco steps danced
Broads shagged
Blow scored
Ennui fended off
Number of times John Bolton seen but successfully avoided at Plato's Retreat
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 2:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah but he's a type B
...due to lack of playing time the previous 2 seasons. I don't think we'll be able to draft the equivalent of his clone.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Nov 15, 2006 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this doesn't mean too much.
beane and tellem have been negotiating for several weeks now-they know where they stand price-wise and term-wise. but thomas/tellem are being smart by reading the market and seeing all the dollars out there. and fear not, without a doubt a team (texas is fuckin' dumb enough) will A) pay too much for frank B) give too many years for frank C) regret both A and B becasue of frank's attitude and or injuries. can say what we want about macha but i thought he "handled" frank great last year.

beane is too smart to snooker himself with a bad frank contract. i was hoping that he'd get into the sheff situation but that's not happening. what beane needs to do is find a 30-35+ yr old player looking for a rebound contract or in the last yr of a contract. i'm too lazy to research that. only one that come to my mind is m. alou. he could play some leftfield but mainly DH.    

"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."- Yogi Berra.

by bigelephant on Nov 15, 2006 6:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

geesh
i must be some kind of pyschic dude or something.
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."- Yogi Berra.

by bigelephant on Nov 15, 2006 7:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Take a bow, dude.
Good call.
The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by BubbaDude on Nov 15, 2006 7:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was the Jack D talkin'
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."- Yogi Berra.

by bigelephant on Nov 15, 2006 7:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then take the Jack D to Vegas with you
Nice call.

Guess Peter Gammons was prescient a couple of weeks ago when he wrote, "This industry is awash in cash."

MJB

by MJB on Nov 15, 2006 9:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blez is a 'high-tech entrepreneur' !
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Nov 15, 2006 3:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suggested a while ago on AN...
...that it would take 2/20 or 3/24 to sign Thomas, and not the 2/6 or 2/15 that Beane was offering.

It seems that I was near the mark. I knew Thomas would go for the money this offseason since he hasn't made much in his career (~100 MM) while comprables players like Sheffield (~160 MM with a newly minted 41 MM dollar extension) and Thome have made more. He's also had his record label fail and gone through a divorce.

He's going for the money. I don't think he returns to the A's unless they're the high bidder.

Beware, though, if Thomas begins talking about 'respect.' Then you'll know you've lost him.

by Stealfirstbase on Nov 15, 2006 2:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

only 100 million huh
Yeah, he's got a family to feed...
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Nov 15, 2006 3:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
I really think he lost quite a bit of that. Quite a bit. And this will be the last big contract he receives. Since he's missed out on salary inflation this is his last chance to be paid as he deserves. He'll take it.

by Stealfirstbase on Nov 15, 2006 3:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember...
those sweet baseball cleats he had back in his heyday?  The black cleats with the white swirls, kind of like Shaq's old basketball shoe...pretty sure Reebok paid him a decent sum to endorse those, in addition to the 100 mill from MLB contracts you say he's made over the course of his career.  If he's lost, like, the majority of that, he's John Daly.
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Nov 15, 2006 5:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
I hear he likes his high stakes gambling. Not as an addiction, mind you, just that he can be found at the $500 dollar blackjack table in Vegas, where he used to and may still live in the offseason.

He's got to make enough cash to keep up with the lifestyle.

by Stealfirstbase on Nov 15, 2006 9:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FT would be crazy to sign with TX
Could his body hold up in that awful heat and having to run on that turf?  I wonder how much monetary difference the two offers are?  

by oaklandbbfan on Nov 15, 2006 3:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if Billy has a Sammy up his sleeve?
This article talks about Sosa wanting to get back into it, and if Billy is rumored to be interested in Bonds, why not Sosa?  He'd come a lot cheaper, maybe even a Frank-like incentive-laden deal.  He's only 38, has 588 HRs so wants to get over 600, and wouldn't clog the basepaths.

by sslinger on Nov 15, 2006 3:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would sign Sosa
to a minor league contract if he looks like he is in shape and has some of his bat speed back.  Given his performance in his past few years, however, I would not sign him to a major league guaranteed contract.  Thomas was a great hitter who had been successful but hurt.  Sosa is a totally different risk.
I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Nov 15, 2006 3:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now the other barry?
if frank bails to texas, is bonds a possibility for the A's all of a sudden? Not that I'm a huge barry fan, uh, at all, but big frank leaves a big hole in the lineup, albeit a right handed bat...

by giambizombie on Nov 15, 2006 4:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the thing about Bonds ...
is the A's marketing dept. can put a dollar figure on how many addl. tickets they can sell home and away with him. With the stadium still up in the air and the Angels looking like the division favorites anyhow, the only way the A's  bust their payroll number next year is if they see an instant ROI. In that way, it's more like '05 than '06 when they decided to go for it in Zito's last year.
 Would have said no way except that the even most of the A's fans were (somewhat quietly) cheering him in game I went to at at the Coli.
 

by vk on Nov 15, 2006 4:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some guesstimate numbers
Let's guesstimate that the A's would sell an additional 500,000 tickets in 2007 with Bonds in the lineup.  Let's further guesstimate, conservatively, an average price of $18/ticket, and an average of $12 in ancillary revenue (parking/concessions) per extra ticket sold.

That would be $15 million in gross revenue.  Nearly all of that "extra revenue" would be profit because all of the overhead is already paid -- stadium costs, facilities, wages, etc.

So if you pay Bonds $10 million for one season, and he sells a half million tickets, the A's make $5 million, maybe more.

Adjust those numbers a bit if you like, but that's a rough idea.

MJB

by MJB on Nov 15, 2006 5:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Quirk is hired...
...I say Eric Plunk for pitching coach and Joe Klink for bullpen coach.

Quirk, Plunk, Klink! ;)

"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 15, 2006 4:41 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want Hershiser
The history be damned - I think (and have thought the entire time) that he is the most intriguing candidate - and seems to fit in with the statistical/techno saavy environment that BB has created. Plus the guy is the bulldog - and I think that his presence will be a positive one in the clubhouse - and I think that he could help with the mound presence and mental strength of some of the young pitchers...

by SD Erik on Nov 15, 2006 4:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much
did he help the Rangers' pitching staff when he was there?

by sslinger on Nov 15, 2006 5:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Iwamura...
We could've gotten him for 4.5 mil... that would've been worth a solid hitting 3B. Chavez back-up and a stop-gap at 1st. He can play OF too.
"I see Milton Bradley being the Oaktown player that breaks out this year." breaks out... breaks out of where? jail?

by gdub171 on Nov 15, 2006 5:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which team posted for him?
"We don't want haddock and chips, we want cod. In cod we trust." --Ghostigital, the pride of Iceland

by Cutthemullet on Nov 15, 2006 5:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh oh!
frank to the blue jays??

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2663691    

(sorry don't know how to set up a link)

"It's better just to be in a little bit of a daze." - Zito

by oak in nam on Nov 15, 2006 6:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We knew he would chase the big bucks
just as he has his entire career.  So nothing new if he does sign with the Blue Jays.
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN

by Charlie Brown on Nov 15, 2006 6:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello Canada Frank...
See my diary..
"Christ, evidentally I played against Swisher in '02 when he was at OSU and Granderson when he was at Illinois-Chicago."

by compy75 on Nov 15, 2006 6:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the blue jays?!?!?!?!?
what a joke.
"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Nov 15, 2006 6:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The perfect fit
Frank Thomas is a lifetime playoff choker, and with the Bluebirds he's in no danger of making the playoffs, so it's perfect.
The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by BubbaDude on Nov 15, 2006 7:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not all worried
good for the a's, better for frank, bad for the jays.
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."- Yogi Berra.

by bigelephant on Nov 15, 2006 7:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed all around
God I miss old Van Halen, splits and leopard pants -- Blez @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 15, 2006 7:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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