Fans recognize A's defense?

by boilerdan on Nov 1, 2006 10:09 AM PST Comment 25 comments

Ellis and Chavez lead fan voting for Gold Gloves on ESPN.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/ballot?event_id=2561

Not surprising about Chavez, as his reputation is well-established. And although the 2B voting is close, it is interesting that Ellis is getting some props nationally, especially since he missed the ALCS.

Kotsay is toward the bottom of the OFs. No other A's listed.

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awesome!

that's great to hear about fans recognizing ellis' defense!!

by gotgreen on Nov 1, 2006 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Kind of on-topic

Whatever happened to the Ellis D sign? That was my favorite.

Kettlecorn! Swishercorn!

by TurnTwo on Nov 1, 2006 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

It would be fitting

if Kotsay, after years of being one of the top 5 defenders in the league and never winning won this year after being among the worst ...

Elli is the only one who really deserves it this year, but Chavvy is close enough that you can excuse the voters from not going through the effort of finding someone to switch their vote to.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Nov 1, 2006 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

One of the worst?

So you are saying that Kotsay falls between #8 and #14 among AL Center Fielders?

While he is not quite as good as he has been the past couple years, I completely disagree that he was one of the worst in '06.

by easyraider on Nov 1, 2006 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this disagreement

Kotsay gets a better jump on the ball than any other player in baseball. His instincts are phenomenal.

Hard work never hurt anyone, but I'm not taking any chances.

by Alameda Greg on Nov 1, 2006 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kooooooo-otsay!

What is it, boy? Timmy drove the ball into the gap?!?

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 1, 2006 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And almost never misplays the ball

and has a great arm
and is smart with his throws.

In addition to seeing many other center fielders, I see plenty of our own other 'centerfielders' - Payton and Bradley. While they are good outfielders, they are not even in Kotsay's league.

by easyraider on Nov 1, 2006 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My friends (to both AG and ER)

I'm sorry to say that the same defensive metrics that consistently rated Kotsay among the best and that led myself and others among the more statistically inclined to tout him as a perennial Gold Glove candidate over more flashy fielders say that he fell off tremendously in '06. My own eyes agree.

Hopefully health can renew his range but in '06 he was not his heroic self.

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Nov 1, 2006 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

FWIW, quite a few defensive metrics

do not rate Kotsay highly. Chris Dial, whose stats are based on ZR, has Kotsay at -6 for Rs / 150, only ahead of Sarge Jnr and Coco Crisp.

BPro has him at -9 FRAA (fielding runs above average) and 7 FRAR (fielding runs above replacement). For comparison, Coco Crisp is -1 FRAA and 12 FRAR. Sarge Jnr is -8 FRAA and 10 FRAR as a CF.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Nov 1, 2006 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

When Ellis got hurt at the end of ALDS#2...

...one of the things I thought was DAMN, now he won't get any national attention! But thank you, D'Angelo Jimenez, for sucking -- it gave the national announcers lots of opportunities to pay attention by saying, "Here is where the A's really miss Mark Ellis..."

<hugs spork, kisses slide rule> ~ salb918

by Poppy on Nov 1, 2006 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

D'AnJi-H8R!

Some are sabermetricians.

by andeux on Nov 1, 2006 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The poll misrecorded my votes

So that could say something about its accuracy.

The choices they provided suck. Cabrera, Young and Jeter for GG shortstop? Where's Alex Gonzalez?

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 1, 2006 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

those choices are totally messed up

It should be Jeter, Jeter, or Jeter.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 1, 2006 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

...for all positions. NL, too.

<hugs spork, kisses slide rule> ~ salb918

by Poppy on Nov 1, 2006 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And what's up with the elderly Jewish voters

in Broward county leaning toward John Rocker?

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It said my choices were in bold ...

but none of them were in bold ... a few were italicized, though ... but not my choices ...

Did I not push submit properly?

Another project of Devo's

by devo on Nov 1, 2006 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

These damn

internet butterfly ballots. I demand a recount -- and check for the pregnant Chads (Bradford and Gaudin!).

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can I vote for Kotsay 3 times

Instead of chosing 3 Outfielders?

Yeah those picks are kinda lame. When I voted, it said Ellis was second at 35%. I am really glad the fans don't vote, cause there would be some ridiculous people getting GG this year!

"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 1, 2006 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs