Elias Player Rankings!
This is how compensation is awarded to teams who lose FA. Type A FA costs the signing team their 1st round pick unless they pick within the 1st 15 choices of the draft. In that case the signing team loses their 2nd round pick. The team who loses the FA also gains a supplimental 1st round pick. This is a sandwich pick that comes between the 1st and 2nd rounds.
When a team loses a Type B FA they receive a supplimental 1st round pick. When a team loses a Type C FA they receive a supplimental 2nd round pick.
Oakland notables:
Zito (A)
Thomas (B)
Payton (B)
Other notables:
Ted Lilly (B)
Mark Mulder (B)
Aaron Fultz (A)
D. Dellucci (A)
Carlos Lee (A)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2006-10-31-elias-rankings.htm#nl
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Well, if Arby is offered, there goes Dellucci
by Zonis on Oct 31, 2006 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bernie Williams is a Type C
by salb918 on Oct 31, 2006 9:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bernie
by MrIncognito on Nov 1, 2006 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Catalanotto just qualified as Type A
by grover on Oct 31, 2006 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
World to end at 11.
by Ozzz on Oct 31, 2006 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
by grover on Oct 31, 2006 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"try to"?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 31, 2006 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"K" makes for comedy
<sigh>
At least I didn't take a fall out of a two story window... so I got that going for me, which is nice.
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 6:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny about these rankings...
Our top ranking 1B, DH or OF, and the only type A in that bunch, is Mr Nick Swisher, who I'd suggest had a pretty ordinary season if you count out his explosive first month.
On middle infielders and 3Bs, Chavez and Ellis get A rankings, again, despite average to below average years. Kendall gets one at catcher, though I'd take B-rated Johjima in a swap any time.
Zito, Haren, Loaiza and Blanton(!) get it as starters (Loaiza ranks just below the way more expensive AJ Burnett and the way more recognized as a good pitcher Kenny Rogers), while Street, Duke and Kiko (!) get it in relief.
That's a hefty helping of A-grade talent that we've got, but Thomas, Bradley, and Kotsay miss out.
by Ozzz on Oct 31, 2006 10:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 5:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It pretty much all has to do with playing time
I mean, look at it. I wouldn't say we were even a decent offensive team the last 3 years, but look at this:
C1: Jason Kendall 70.476 A
1B: Nick Swisher 69.167 A
2B: Mark Ellis 69.925 A
3B: Eric Chavez 75.974 A
SS: Bobby Crosby 59.740 B
LF: Jay Payton 52.083 B
RF: Milton Bradley 63.333 B
CF: Mark Kotsay 53.333 B
DH: Frank Thomas 63.333 B
Basically, if you lose a starter, you get a draft pick or two.
Now if you asked me who I thought would deserve an A, B or C from this lineup, I'd have probaly said:
C1: Jason Kendall C
1B: Nick Swisher A
2B: Mark Ellis C
3B: Eric Chavez B
SS: Bobby Crosby C
LF: Jay Payton C
RF: Milton Bradley B
CF: Mark Kotsay C
DH: Frank Thomas A
by Zonis on Oct 31, 2006 10:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Millar A??!!!
Mark Lowe is a C while Keith Foulke is a B?
Trying to figure out the logic behind the list is a waste of time.
by rfloh on Nov 1, 2006 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas was so close
I demand a recount!!!!
by jubjub on Nov 1, 2006 5:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So the A's should
I've been wrong before. I still can't believe that houses in Saratoga keep selling for 2 million or more. Who buys them?
by Steve on Nov 1, 2006 7:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The A's won't be offering
same deal as Dye -- he would be guaranteed to make far too much (the max 20% pay cut would leave him around $10m).
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean that the AN-crazies
by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah
I'm pretty sure the max 20% pay cut only applies to pre-free agency cases, and that a team can make whatever arbitration offer they want to a player eligible for free agency. In practice, though, arbitrators would never award a pay cut on the order of 70% for someone like Kendall.
by andeux on Nov 1, 2006 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd have a lot of
by mikeA on Nov 1, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He totally could ...
Downright Ruthian!
Are you sure about the 20% not applying to FA eligible arbi cases? Even if it a doesn't a 30% cut is still north of $9m which would be a tad expensive.
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure
"If the Player [a pending free agent] accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration proceeding under Article VI, provided, however, that the rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration figures under Article VI."
by andeux on Nov 1, 2006 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can quote chapter and verse ...
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
andeux's pappy raised him on the CBA
by monkeyball on Nov 1, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine
by Athletics fan and runner on Nov 2, 2006 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kendall will resign this year
He is a Beane favorite the pitchers love him, he loves it here and as much shit as he takes on this board for his ability to hit into a double play he still hit around 300, and is a leader of the clubhoouse.
He will be here past 2007, Suzuki will be his backup in 2008 and take over in 2009 with kendall still overseeing him and catching 50 games or so.
by Bud Light on Nov 1, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
compensation
The USS mariner post I saw that explained all of this is down so I'm not sure what the deal is any longer.
by Tim J on Nov 1, 2006 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This year's FAs are under the old rules.
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what happens
by antigiants on Nov 1, 2006 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude -- you're blowin' my mind!
by monkeyball on Nov 1, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Nov 2, 2006 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<kicks self for not thinking of that>
by monkeyball on Nov 2, 2006 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<kicks monkeyball for the halibut>
by salb918 on Nov 2, 2006 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<fishes for a compliment>
by monkeyball on Nov 2, 2006 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
If a type B FA is signed, the signing team does not lose any picks. The team that lost the FA does get a supplemental pick that is between the 1st and 2nd round.
by rfloh on Nov 1, 2006 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bo Cro is a B?
by OaktownRajah on Nov 1, 2006 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Draft order
Here is current draft order.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/262567.html
Ideally he signs with the Rangers Astros or Cardinals who poses th 16, 17 and 18 picks.
Also keep in mind if a team signs zito and also another more highly rated FA we get only the suplimental pick.
by novaoakland on Nov 1, 2006 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In both instances, we get a pick ...
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pecota's not big on Suzuki
by Nick86 on Nov 1, 2006 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still don't trust PECOTA projections
by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<feels sal's gut>
by monkeyball on Nov 1, 2006 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by BlameChannel53 on Nov 1, 2006 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty meaningless ...
Even so, predicting that the most likely outcome for a player who has yet to play a game over A ball is as a serviceable backup catcher is actually a pretty decent compliment. The league's MVP, Brandon Wood is only projected at a .252/.306/.472 line. (certainly a good deal better, but that's the best player in the league)
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suzuki played in AA this year
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PECOTA hasn't been updated w/ 06 data
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But just so you know, I had your back on this one.
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, buddy ...
Sadly, I don't have any access to inside information, whatsoever.
I do have a source with the Warriors (seriously) but he's been wrong with every bit of inside information he's give me, so ....
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I'm not surprised...
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the year ...
(yes, I've said that every year)
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not saying they're super accurate
by Nick86 on Nov 1, 2006 3:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's the problem, isn't it?
by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kendall's OPS
by Nick86 on Nov 1, 2006 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're not in disagreement "there."
by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way does he go to Philly
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, long shot.
by salb918 on Nov 1, 2006 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay to no extension!
when I was thinking of a way to bring A-Rod to Oakland one of the key parts to my plan included a Kendall extension.
by grover on Nov 1, 2006 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall would look hella funny w/extensions
by cindi on Nov 1, 2006 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blamechannel
by Nick86 on Nov 1, 2006 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
by BlameChannel53 on Nov 1, 2006 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it'll go up ...
by devo on Nov 1, 2006 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PECOTA will like that
by BlameChannel53 on Nov 1, 2006 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by Nick86 on Nov 1, 2006 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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