World Series Ratings and ESPN: A Mini-Rant
So I'm watching Mike & Mike on ESPN2 this morning (I know, I know...what do I deserve if I'm watching these two?). And they're having a conversation in which they're both puzzled at the low TV ratings this World Series is getting. Is it because the Cards were an 83-win team? Or that the Tigers are a wildcard? Well, the Steelers were a wildcard, and nobody minded that. And everyone loved George Mason in the NCAA hoops tournament. People like underdogs! Could it be the small market thing? Nope. St. Louis is a huge baseball town and the Cards have a regional following. Besides, the Tigers were the feel good story of the year. In short, Mike and Mike were stumped at the low ratings.
I have an idea, boys. Could it possibly have something to do with the fact that your network, which rules the roost in national sports coverage, had spent an entire season pretending that only two teams--the Yankees and the Red Sox--mattered at all?
If I were Bud Selig and I were not a complete flippin' idiot (I know, that's already an impossible wish), I'd have long since been on the horn to Bristol screaming at the network executives about this rather predictable result of the kind of coverage they gave baseball all season.
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there may be something to that
by ak_A on Oct 27, 2006 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See what happens when the A's don't win
From day 1 NY vs NY was the media's focus.
St Louis is larger stronger market than you or they are giving credit for.
Detroit is very strong small market
"Heartland" of America may have poor appeal on larger markets of East & West Coasts.
It would seem simple enough to verify geographically where viewers are located.
by A s Eh on Oct 27, 2006 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Misreading Me a Bit, AE
But I am (and as I thought I indicated, even M&M are) aware that St. Louis is a very big market, with a truly regional fanbase (even in Oklahoma, I'm on the outskirts of it). For the first half century plus of organized baseball, the Cards and the Browns were the farthest west major league teams. And since nobody could possibly want to root for the Brownies, that left a huge chunk of the country to the Cards. Especially in the midwest farmbelt and the northern plains, you see Cards fans everywhere, though a combination of TBS, WGN, and ESPN Yankee worship has somewhat eroded that fan base over the last couple decades.
All of which is to entirely agree with you: there's nothing small market about the Redbirds.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 27, 2006 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by Lanway13 on Oct 27, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WGN...
by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 29, 2006 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks and apologies for any misunderstandings
My real point was both coasts were left out of the world series party and logically less interested in the outcome.
I too had less interest but I'm still happy for the fans of the teams playing.
Hopefully our A's are involved soon but folks in Florida probably won't be watching unless Marlins make it as our opponents.
by A s Eh on Oct 28, 2006 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by sprtsnwyn on Oct 27, 2006 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is the result of the ESPNization of baseball
by guy incognito on Oct 27, 2006 7:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree wholeheartedly
I really don't care what they say as baseball's turnstyles keep clicking in record numbers!
by SteveUJohnson on Oct 27, 2006 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning DJs are the apocalypse incarnate.
And, for whatever reason, thinking people will listen.
by Ozzz on Oct 27, 2006 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to a similar discussion
-The lack of a salary cap has caused payrolls to skyrocket out of propotion. As a result of this the top players from most teams usually leave in free agency for the teams at the top of the payroll totem pole. This in turn causes small market teams, such as Oakland, to not have franchise players, or better yet players who become the face of a team and thus cause people to be interested. Familiarity breeds interest, thats why the Vlad's, Barry Bonds, Jeter's amd Ortiz's will bring in crowds, because they are star players whose sole name invokes interest in tuning in. Yes most baseball teams have taken to lose all players demanding a double digit payroll and instead opted to year in and year out go with good but not so well known rookie players (that I might add, leave once they become well known). This might allow most teams like say, the A's to survive but it does little to help draw attention to the game from casual fans. Common everyday people want to see something on tv that they are atleast familiar with, thats why they love the all star team that is the Yankees and the R. Sox.
-With baseball coverage dominated by the teams with the highest payrolls, theres little chance for interest to grow for other teams. Look at the NFL for instance, You have Raider fans, you have Broncos fans, you have people who live and die by the outcome of chargers/philidelphia/jets games. Its not that the baseball is slow (an excuse commonly thrown out by those who prefer not thinking during a sporting event) but rather other sports have more options for people, they give casual fans something more to root for. In the NBA, NFL and NHL there isnt the top two teams and then everyone else, rather the attention is spread out more evenly. Why only in baseball do we have a disproportionate bias towards only two teams? my belief.....Lack of salary caps and the dominance of the outrageous payrolls.
-the devil that is ESPN. as someone stated before, heres an idea ESPN...when you spend all season bashing and predicting the "inevitable" failure of a team that eventually makes it to the WS, dont be suprised when people arent interested in watching them play the fall classic. But I'll be a little more progressive here and state that its not all ESPN's fault. ESPN after all is a business, and a business' job is to ::gasp:: make money! Yes they do little to promote interest in other teams but that isnt really their job. Their job is to report sports, the sports which people are interested in. SO whos to blame if not ESPN?
-MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. Ever get the feeling that there is only one league in MLB? I do, hell Ill be honest - I have absolutey no interest in the National league, none whatsoever. No DH means no aknowledgement from me. And its not just that I love watching home runs, but I believe it just shows the inability of the league to adapt to changing times. In a world where most sports have constant scoring happening on both sides, no casual fan has time to suffer the pain of watching the pitcher go up there and swing at what 1/100 times* (*based on my own non scientific research) a guaranteed out. This just doesnt make sense.
why are people not interested in the WS? how about because interleague games takes the excitement out of watching NL and AL teams meet for the first time in like....ever!
MLB's inability to step up to the plate and handle controversy in hopes that it just might go away reminds me more and more of John Kerry refusing to address the Swift Boat Veteran Ads in hopes that it would go away, well guess what? it didnt, and look where that got him? That the sport has lost some integrity because we allow the Barry Bonds and Kenny Rogers of this game to get away with stuff is an understatement, I would even go as far as saying the word Steroid has become synonymous with baseball. The more I learn about baseball the more it seems like the MLB is like a stubborn old man who refuses to aknowledge the changing times.
Anyway thats my 10 dollars and 2 cents.
by Amnesiac727 on Oct 27, 2006 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rack him...
What's sad to me is that baseball is a great sport. It's great for soooo many reasons.
(hopefully, Amnesiac, you read that book I gave you) but many sides of it are overlooked.
Baseball is great because a 0-0 game going into the 9th inning can be one of the most interesting and exciting baseball games you'll ever see.
Baseball is great because on any given pitch someone who has never made contact with a pitch hurled at them can hit it over 330 feet for a homerun.
Baseball has sooo many stories.
I believe that you have underdog stories, you have stories of triumph, stories of endurance that can appeal to all of America one way or the other.
ESPN (I believe with the approval of MLB) refuse to recognize those stories and try to get the casual fan with hype of NY/Bos. It's sad, but they made their bed, now MLB/FOX has to lie in it.
I still hope both teams lose the W.S.
by Erik being Erik on Oct 27, 2006 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did,
by Amnesiac727 on Oct 27, 2006 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB is as much to blame as ESPN
MLB is just as much to blame as the media for the media's obsession with the Yankees and the Red Sox.
by socal on Oct 27, 2006 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Don't Forget Interleague Play
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 27, 2006 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interleague play is a great idea
It's a big positive for ticket sales when the A's can bring the Giants and even the Dodgers to the Coliseum, and even the interleague clunkers like the Rockies or Pirates probably sell as many tickets as a series with the Royals or the Devil Rays.
The franchises that struggle with ticket sales would really benefit from more home games against regional teams in the opposite league -- the Royals would love more games vs. the Cardinals and Cubs, the Rays would love more games vs. the Braves and Marlins.
And if we had more of those regional matchups, we'd have less focus on the Yankees and Red Sox, IMO.
But MLB is unlikely to change interleague play substantially, because they just signed big TV contracts, they have more money than ever, and they have no incentive to make any changes at all.
by socal on Oct 27, 2006 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horsefeathers!
I hope Detroit wins the next two games and forces a game 7. I want to stave off the end of the season and baseball withdrawal symptoms as long as I can.
by McFood on Oct 27, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been watching.
If they broadcast games with nothing more than crowd noise and stats on screen, I'd be there.
Or even if they did it like in the old days, with a big board and names being moved around like chess pieces, I'd take that.
I just don't do Fox or ESPN. It hurts my fragile mind.
by Ozzz on Oct 27, 2006 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aw, Hollywood,
<Joe Buck bats eyelashes innocently. McCarver stands with daisies in hand.>
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 27, 2006 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem.
by Ozzz on Oct 27, 2006 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've made both
As an aside, do you think Joe Buck got his ass kicked a lot as a child?
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 27, 2006 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is quite ovbious
by mikeA on Oct 27, 2006 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if you manipulate the stick the right way..
"It's time to get things started on the Muppet Show tonight!"
by Ozzz on Oct 27, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would explain a lot,
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 27, 2006 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!! This is what I've been saying
A self-fulfilling ratings prophecy.
They really need to branch out in order to begin courting everyone.
PLus, get rid of the f'ing musical acts, thats insulting to real fans.
by robber23 on Oct 27, 2006 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of reasons...
The Yanks/Red Sox reason is a major one, but it's a combination of all the reasons, including one, listed below.
- Cable TV has blown up to where there are more options now than ever before. That's not just for sports but for all network TV across the board.
- The fact that the World Series starts on a Saturday night rather than during the week doesn't help, either. However that issue has been dealt with since next year the Series will start during the week.
- It's not just Detroit vs. St. Louis, but it's the Midwest vs. the Midwest. It's not as bad as NoCal vs. NoCal back in '89, but still the greatest amount of interest has to be in the Midwest and then falls sharply elsewhere. Guess what the highest rated World Series was? 1991, Minnesota and Atlanta: the Midwest vs. the South.
by gmoneymcg on Oct 27, 2006 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
re: football, ESPN is getting there
And now I'm getting sick of all the Reggie Bush coverage. The Monday night game btwn the Falcons and Saints, some stupid reporter actually had a debate on who is more exciting, Vick or Bush. It was only like Bush's 2nd or 3rd game as a pro.
by smash on Oct 27, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish there was more Reggie Bush coverage
Not to mention he is a community oriented guy who has given countless time (NOT just money which is a lot easer to give) to rebuilding New Orelans.
by OaktownPower on Oct 27, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just TO
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 29, 2006 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did they execute harold reynolds?
by blueconversechucks on Oct 27, 2006 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on all...
Yankees vs. Mets, 2000.
That '91 Series was awesome. The Braves had captivated the whole South (I was in Alabama at the time), so the ratings had to be boosted by good numbers not only in Atlanta but Birmingham, Charlotte and cities in Florida (remember it was pre-Marlins and Devil Rays). The quality of the baseball didn't hurt, either. :)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 27, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of star power
Another factor, though, is the way the league and the MLBPA markets its stars. The machinery touts the stars in the "prime" cities quite well, but an enormous talent like Albert Pujols gets comparatively little attention. The league has always struggled with marketing individual players (as compared with teams, with which it does a passable job). Casual fans will tune in to watch Jeter and ARod, or Clemens, or even Ichiro. But they don't tune in for Pudge and Chris Carpenter, not to mention the Detroit pitching staff. St. Louis and Detroit lack the big name star appeal, which is partly a function of the seaboard fixation, partly a function of MLB+MLBPA's player-specific marketing efforts, and partly because there simply aren't as many top tier stars on the Cards and Tigers.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 27, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What I don't understand...
by JLaff on Oct 27, 2006 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comment
by day-to-day on Oct 27, 2006 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year...
Can you imagine a non-New York/Boston playoffs? A guy can dream though, can't he?
by JLaff on Oct 27, 2006 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, bud.
Ohhh...Ohh oh oh oh, ohh oh oh shut the HELL UP!
by McFood on Oct 27, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same mistake as "I love this game!"
The NFL has solved all this by making the players and the games irrelevant. NFL game are simply a platform to enable: 1) gambling 2) public drunkenness and otherwise unacceptable behavior (e.g., painting your body in team colors and screaming at people -- try that on a street corner and see if you're allowed to do it for 3 hours) 3) social bonding, largely male bonding; and 4) video game sales.
Even if your team completely sucks, you can still bet on them to beat the spread, go to the Coliseum to tailgate 4 hours early, get drunk with your friends, scream at the other team, and cheer as the Raiders kick a late field goal to bring you to within 15 1/2 points and win you $100. And you can do all that stuff for the Super Bowl, too, except you'll tailgate at your house with your friends.
Baseball and ESPN thought they'd solved the predictability problem with the Superteam in NYC. Well, they weren't predictable enough. But I expect them to continue to look for ways to take the game (and the players) out of the business just like the NFL has.
by Nick on Oct 27, 2006 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the street corner
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 27, 2006 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure,
Me, I'm heading for Universal, Rasputin's and Leopolds for some used records. After that, Silverball Gardens for some Tempest. Then I'll stop by the Ren for some coffee.
< /1982]
by Nick on Oct 27, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beaten up by opposing painted screamers
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 27, 2006 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rick Starr could do the play-by-play
by Nick on Oct 27, 2006 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot fantasy football
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy it
Personally, I think it's the latter. The Yankees have ALWAYS had a national following. And I think many who just had a hatred of the Yankees became Red Sox fans because they are the epitome of Yankee hating.
ESPN and Fox consider the Red Sox and Yankees big news because they know folks will watch and listen.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 27, 2006 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
I don't think it's fair to blame good teams with large fanbases for the fact that the ratings are lower. Hell, I'm a die-hard fan and I've only caught about 18 innings total. I just don't have any rooting interest in these teams.
by TurnTwo on Oct 27, 2006 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't that be NRRSF?
by senork on Oct 27, 2006 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda both
by sypher1504 on Oct 27, 2006 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!
To a degree, I blame the casual fans who only care about Yankees - Red Sox... I blame the fools who only go to A's games when they play the Yankees or the Red Sox.
But did ESPN create this monster, or are they merely capatalizing on it?
by oaklandpete on Oct 28, 2006 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capitalizing
I also have the feeling that if the Cubs get really good, watch out -- especially now that they have Lou Piniella.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 28, 2006 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
both
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Star Power- definitely
This country does not and has never really cared about team play - it is obsessed with 'stars.
It is one reasoin wshy a great sport like soccer has so much trouble in the USA.
by Herm4430 on Oct 27, 2006 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except when Pele was here...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 27, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen this point raised yet.
by jeepers on Oct 27, 2006 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think
by rubin sierra on Oct 28, 2006 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using the Wild Card as an excuse is DUMB.
Because of the low ratings, the commisioner is considering some modifications to the format of the ALDS, such as changes to the home/away schedule favoring the Div winner by eliminating 1 hm gm from the wild card team.
I agree with the poster. When ESPN puts its focus on 2 teams all year, while paying little to no attention to the rest of the league, these are the ratings they deserve.
by sf drift king on Oct 27, 2006 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
proposed ALDS modification
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards win the series
by ohad on Oct 27, 2006 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well now they've changed it
by ohad on Oct 27, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason
When October comes, if my team isn't in it, I won't watch the playoffs unless the games are being presented as worth more of my time than my other alternatives. It doesn't matter what's happening on the field. If it was a game with 10 errors and it was lopsided as hell, I would watch as long as the commentators and director were doing their jobs effectively--that is, making me want to watch, or at the very least not making me wonder if Mythbusters is on. I agree with whoever posted above that if all they did was follow the ball with the camera and had crowd noise, I would enjoy that more than the current situation.
If Fox is turning baseball fans off from the playoffs, they are doing something wrong, because that means that they sure aren't attracting poeple with only a passing interest in baseball. Right now I am positive that I would rather go out and watch a little league game than have to watch the World Series on Fox.
by senork on Oct 27, 2006 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
heh
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
by gdub171 on Oct 28, 2006 2:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct -- It's the same bias in every sport
ESPN didn't create that bias; it was around long before ESPN went on the air. But they have certainly emphasized it.
by socal on Oct 28, 2006 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in every sport
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true that MLB has shown itself
As far as the steroid issue, the pine tar issue, corked bat issue, and other controversial subjects, these are actually good for baseball. Especially if you suscribe to the notion that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Terrell Owens can attest to this altruism. Baseball needs take steps that will get the talking heads on sports shows to start screaming and ranting. As sad as it is to say, these are the types of things that get peoples attention. When they see this type of controversy, they are more likely to tune in and see what the fuss is all about. It's worked well for the NFL and for the NBA for years.
Another thing MLB could due to attract more attention is to lay off the fines/suspensions for on the field brawls. Especially the ones where no one is injured. As sad as it is to say, conflict sells in this country. Which we you get right down to it, that's what sports is all about. Baseball brawls are akin to the people who watch NASCAR on the chance that they may witness a spectacular crash.
None of the above is good baseball mind you, but IT will get the publics attention and bring a lot more people out to the yards or the TV set.
by alox on Oct 28, 2006 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You must have been a huge XFL fan.
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so many individual points to respond to...
by Cutthemullet on Oct 28, 2006 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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