DLD 10/23/2006 -- Kenny Rogers, cheater?
Ken Rosenthal gives a good recap of what happened. And ends with a snarky comment about Rogers.
At 41 years, 11 months and 12 days, Rogers became the oldest starting pitcher to win a World Series game. He is just the second pitcher to make three starts without allowing a run in a single postseason; Christy Mathewson had three complete-game shutouts against the A's in the 1905 Series."I'm no Christy Mathewson, that's for sure," Rogers said.
The validity of that statement, at least, was confirmed by FOXSports.com.
According to well-placed sources, Christy washed his hands.
Jayson Stark wonders why Rogers was so defensive
So Marquez never mentioned that humongous clump of dirt? "No."All righty then. So that's the end of it. Right? A clump of dirt happened to appear on his pitching hand, and he wiped it off, and then went back to being Sandy Koufax.
Or maybe not.
Because his own manager, Mr. Jim Leyland, said the umpires "made Kenny wash his hands." And Steve Palermo, an MLB umpiring supervisor, reported that Marquez "asked Kenny to remove that dirt, so there wouldn't be any question as far as that controversy."
Great. Took care of that controversy stuff in no time flat, didn't they? Cleared it right up.
So this should be the point where we should be moving on to talk about Rogers' sensational evening on the old pitcher's mound, right? Nope. Sorry. Not quite yet.
Because if Rogers was so darned innocent, how come he was trying so hard to deny everything except his pitch count?
ESPN says that Rogers had a similar substace on his hand when he pitched against the A's, and provides the opinions of some former pitchers.
"I've heard [pine tar] is used for the grip," former Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe told ESPN The Magazine's Amy K. Nelson. "But that's what the rosin bag is supposed to be used for. When it's hot out and you're sweating, the rosin bag is there to help give you more grip, the same effect, and give it a tacky substance. But tonight the rosin bag isn't going to be much help with the cold weather."The pine tar, I'm told, can give the ball more rotation. It's useless for the fastball, but with the breaking pitches it can help with the movement and spin."
A former major league pitcher offered his take on what a foreign substance can do to alter a pitcher's performance."When your hands get cold, you can't put spin on the ball, because the ball slips out of your hands," the pitcher said. "It also changes your release point. It changes the release point because the ball wants to come out of your hands sooner so it makes the ball go high, with less spin. So it's higher in the strike zone, or not even a strike, and with less movement. But once you use something that's a little stickier, like pine tar or chewing tobacco and gum, or hair gel, anything that makes your hand look sticky or feel sticky, it brings your release point back to normal. It also puts the same spin on the ball because you have a better grip.
"The problem is there's different substances that don't have a color to them and also don't wear off after awhile. Because when you throw more than 10-15 pitches in an inning, certain things start to wear away, and all of a sudden you're throwing your most important pitches with your least amount of stuff."
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Cheater? Sure.
Then again, maybe Todd Jones is right (from Stark's article above), and it was just a case of a little gravy with your Roaster:
"It could have been anything on his hand," Jones said. "It could have been chocolate cake."
Chocolate cake, huh? Oh, of course. He probably just never wiped the cake off his hands because he was steamed that it wasn't served a la mode. But wait, we protested. Was chocolate cake even being served Sunday in the Tigers' food spread?
"Well, no," Jones confessed. "But there was steak and gravy. So the gravy could have been on there."
Yeah, sure. And probably a few mashed potato shreds, too. No way Rogers would have noticed that, either, of course.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong link.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard...
by louismg on Oct 23, 2006 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With a chair?
by Ozzz on Oct 23, 2006 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Ain't cheating unless you get caught"
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that I disagree with you about the ethics
The issue with Rogers is that he WAS caught.
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The argument I see propagated
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or Rule 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty.
In other words, since Macha and LaRussa didn't ask for him to be inspected when it was visible, the umps were still able to think that whatever was on his hand got there by accident, and wasn't placed there on purpose to alter the flight of the ball.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just stupid
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's a needle sticking out of your ass
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Macha now !!!!11!!!
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sal, look...
by hunter on Oct 23, 2006 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
So, sportswriters, I guess.
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idiot comments
by pickinmachine on Oct 23, 2006 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gads--I have NEVER understood that one
by batgirl on Oct 23, 2006 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commissioner Simpson
Hello? Bud? About those rules and the integrity of the game...
At least now we know who is REALLY running baseball, and as suspected all along it is not Bud Selig: it is the OJ Simpson jury. "Evidence, what evidence?" Either that or Homer Simpson, "doh!"
by conniemack on Oct 23, 2006 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<poops in sal's pants when he's not looking>
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lookout Landing has a hilarious
Seriously, bear me with me here.
When they asked him about it, he seemed very embarrassed and pussy footed around the question. When both managers were asked, they refused to comment. And also, during the game after the announcers commented about it, Pudge wispered in his ear and Kenny ran into the dugout and came back out with clean hands a new pair of pants.
Now observe these two pictures. First, a closeup of the hand and the substance.
Now look at his pants in this picture. Notice where the substance is.
Kenny Rogers literally shit himself during game 2 of the World Series.
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Now I wish I had watched the game.
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was me
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the pic on the front page of ESPN.com
by Flyin As on Oct 23, 2006 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Comerica Park
by Flyin As on Oct 23, 2006 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN showed
in the video, not only did he touch his fingertips to the orange-brown area of his palm while blowing on his hands, he also repeatedly touched both the front and the back of his cap. a few people have made the comment that he pitched just as well after washing his hands, but he could have had it in other less obvious places as well.
as far as the opposing manager being responsible for catching cheaters, you can blame torre and macha, but not leyland. he said after the game that his players told him the ball was moving funny and he told the umpire to check rogers. the umps told him to wash off the substance when they should have inspected him, and thrown him out of the game and suspended him for 10 days if he was cheating. clearly the umps screwed up.
if LL is right and it was shit, would that be legal? can they ban shit when moises alou is allowed to piss on his hands?
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i meant larussa, not leyland
surely it's up to the umpires to determine if a player is cheating and to enforce whatever punishment is in the rulebook, not to do what the opposing manager wants.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the thread at LL :)
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"foreign"?
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIP Nelson de la Rosa
(Hat tip - Deadspin)
by JLaff on Oct 23, 2006 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Paging Dr. Buckley to the bullpen, stat!
"I became bullpen catcher for the A's, and it became very clear to me early on that going back and finishing school and getting a degree was going to be important to my being able to pay the bills," he said. Buckley isn't stopping with his bachelor's degree, however. He's already signed up to begin working on a master's degree in education through National University, which offers a combination of online coursework and classroom instruction at a campus in San Jose. His first class is today. He hasn't ruled out going for a Ph.D., either.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 23, 2006 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's awesome
by gotgreen on Oct 23, 2006 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He lugged a printer around with him???
OK, that's enough snark out of me. I apologize.
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a Kinko's about 5 miles
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the 24 hour kinkos
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, c'mon.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 23, 2006 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we know why he needs the Volvo wagon
by Englishmajor on Oct 23, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww, congrats to Buckley!
And going for a masters? Damn, that's wonderful.
The comment about his desire to be a bullpen coach, though... Could it be that I was right when I said BUCKLEY FOR MANAGER?
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 23, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't I be this gracious?
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you just need more hugs.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 23, 2006 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Often in tandom...
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the same reason...
by Ozzz on Oct 23, 2006 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty Lurie
by batgirl on Oct 23, 2006 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain the pine tar rules to me?
I'm pine tar ignorant.
by TurnTwo on Oct 23, 2006 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone catch his post-game interview?
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree.
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you said that was enough snark
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lied.
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another one!
by JLaff on Oct 23, 2006 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<sob>
http://www.girlalive.com/images/052703/weasels.jpg
http://www.girlalive.com/images/060903/coup.jpg
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I guess it's just me then"
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part:
There has been no real compelling explanation for why he's been able to do that, either. But he's definitely doing a lot more primal screaming now than he ever did -- after every single out.
"He scares me sometimes," said first baseman Sean Casey. "I get ground balls over there, and he's yapping. When we're turning two, he's yelling, "TURNIT, TURNIT, TURNIT, TURNIT.' I'm like, 'Man, you're going to have a heart attack out there. Take it easy.' "
That crazy, rage-fueled yelling scares me more than pine tar.
by baseballgirl on Oct 23, 2006 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tar rage
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny needs some Progenitorivox
by Zonis on Oct 23, 2006 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he's all hopped up on goofballs.
by McFood on Oct 23, 2006 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody remember
by skigurl on Oct 23, 2006 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
phillies sign jamie moyer to a 2-year extension
by gotgreen on Oct 23, 2006 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice that he'll have that money to bridge...
by McFood on Oct 23, 2006 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moyer gets to bat, which means
My money's on the crafty lefty. ;)
by Nick on Oct 23, 2006 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<Brian Sabean throws chair>
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's the hat?
Rogers with the black underbill
What do you think?
by JLaff on Oct 23, 2006 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to Rome
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy goes to the bill of his cap
I'm afraid the Gambler is Gaylord Perry with only slightly less of a Southern accent.
by emperor nobody on Oct 23, 2006 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
by pickinmachine on Oct 23, 2006 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appears that
by JLaff on Oct 23, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Used to be the Black Sox scandal
by Cutthemullet on Oct 23, 2006 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There it is.
No question, Kenny Rogers cheated in the World Series. Book it.
by Ozzz on Oct 23, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only the WS, but the ALCS too.
by luvsthecurveball on Oct 23, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he touches the bill of his hat
by closetasfan on Oct 23, 2006 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The announcers spotted it, too.
The announcers spotted it; they just didn't know what they were seeing at the time.
by Christopher on Oct 23, 2006 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i forgot about that
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't they test the balls used in the game?
Isn't this stuff supposed to be kept for just such a scenario?
by Ozzz on Oct 23, 2006 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
based on that photo
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you were being serious or snarky
by JLaff on Oct 23, 2006 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just too much Kenny Rogers.
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Want more?
by franks a lot on Oct 23, 2006 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers has a sex tape?
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pine tar as personal lubricant....?
by franks a lot on Oct 23, 2006 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sick of this fucking crap. i am no longer
by larrysgurl on Oct 23, 2006 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout La Russa ignoring it?
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about green eggs and ham?
For the grammar nazia: From where is your sig line quote?
by McFood on Oct 23, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's from "The Office"
"I lost Ed Truck and... it feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. And at the same time somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief-bone. And I'm crying and nobody can hear me because I am terribly, terribly... terribly alone."
That's how I felt about the ALCS.
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost started crying from laughing
by OaktownPower on Oct 23, 2006 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
def.
And I don't care if he's not a temp anymore, he will always be Ryan the Temp. Gotta get rid of the girl though...
by SeanR on Oct 23, 2006 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was on a morning show here last week
by easyraider on Oct 23, 2006 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he was originally talking about the Sixth
"I had this uncle in Philadelphia who was a child psychologist..."
by easyraider on Oct 23, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'd tell the whole story,
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 23, 2006 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the whole thing is horrible. i honestly
by larrysgurl on Oct 23, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's interesting is that
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some higher up is telling larussa and the
by larrysgurl on Oct 23, 2006 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a possibility
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooh-- conspiracy theories!
by SF Geoff on Oct 23, 2006 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i'm saying
personally, i doubt it was a conspiracy.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but there IS a mid-west bias
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the higher up's situated on a grassy knoll?
by franks a lot on Oct 23, 2006 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you like conspiracy theories,
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they are. i don't know, but
by larrysgurl on Oct 23, 2006 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Julian Tavarez was still a Cardinal...
by Cutthemullet on Oct 23, 2006 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SI has lots more pictures of the Roaster
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now i'm pissed at everybody.
a few more scandals like this and i may stop following baseball. well, probably not, but i'll be really bitter.
by xbhaskarx on Oct 23, 2006 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the emperor is indeed naked
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all people
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<puts on chest waders>
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's for the safety of the hitters!
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the worst thing
Many other people have also argued that because this has always been "part of the game", it is acceptable.
Great find; It's interesting that he can blatantly state this and be unpunished. Unlike Barry Lamar Bonds, he doesn't state that he didn't knowingly cheat.
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all's fair
by Furious George on Oct 23, 2006 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck.
Your "thinking" is wrong. Todd Jones just fell below AJ Pierzynski in my pantheon of baseball players to dislike.
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing Todd Jones in the movie of his life:
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
by easyraider on Oct 23, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"My thinking was
by batgirl on Oct 23, 2006 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strangely enough
by TurnTwo on Oct 23, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent find, jeepers
He's kinda making pine tar sound like a lefty's right foot crossing behind his left knee on a pick-off throw to first: technically it's a balk, but everyone does it so what are you gonna do?
Maybe lots of pitchers are pine-tarring. But I'm pretty sure they're not standing out there with a big blob of it on the pitching hand game after game.
by Nick on Oct 23, 2006 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some offtopic sports news
The 37-year-old German's charge through the field from last place will live longer in the memory than many of the record 91 victories that he has celebrated over the past 16 years.
This was a drive almost designed to show off his true fighting qualities, a performance with gritted teeth and sheer determination to go out with all guns blazing after circumstances had conspired against him.
It was entirely fitting that the last overtaking manoeuvre of his extraordinary career should be to force his way past the man who replaces him at Ferrari next year, McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen.
Had it not been for a fuel pressure problem in qualifying that left him 10th on the grid and a puncture early in the race, Schumacher would have been spraying the champagne on top of the podium one last time.
Instead he finished the last race of his career off the podium, but still the talk of the afternoon.
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I misssed the game
by BruceBochte on Oct 23, 2006 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A's receive permission to interview Black.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT- THUNDERBUTT!!!
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so that they can further confuse plot lines
I'm considering dumping that show from my list of things to watch. It's getting too needlessly violent and I find myself sitting there thinking "do I really want to spend my free time watching people get abused?"
Has anyone been watching Heroes? Is it really any good?--it keeps getting raves.
by batgirl on Oct 23, 2006 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heroes
by 415goas on Oct 23, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't started S3 of Lost yet.
My co-workers enjoy Heroes. They said it got better after the first ep.
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just started watching Heroes...
Still interesting characters and premise; we'll see how they bring it all together but they should really do themselves a favor and keep their storylines to a season maximum. Then start a new one next season with the same or new characters and villains.
Otherwise, it may be doomed to become Lost and I've already expressed my opinion about that show in the Unpopular Opinions diary.
by Ice Cream on Oct 23, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Heroes
I also kind of like Jericho.
Nice to have a couple decent new shows. Kind of getting burned out on all the other stuff.
by easyraider on Oct 23, 2006 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been watching Heroes
by drmmerchk on Oct 23, 2006 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad violence is an issue
by grover on Oct 23, 2006 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHA...?
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<sigh>
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um?
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care for either option
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<plays accordian>
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<calls shop steward>
<cranks organ>
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are doing it due to public demand.
Apparently due to location issues, their show takes longer to shoot than most shows, hence the problem with a new episode every week.
by OaktownPower on Oct 23, 2006 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Also, to me, the biggest issue here is that if he was cheating and this one thing was actually caught, what other forms of cheating are going on in the Tiger's dug out? I am not saying the whole team is guilty by association, but it does make me wonder!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 23, 2006 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they find it on him during the game
AFAIK, nothing happens to the manager or coaches during the game, though obviously the Commission can suspend a manager if he thinks he's involved.
Nothing will happen regarding past games. They're over, he got away with it, move on.
by Nick on Oct 23, 2006 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 23, 2006 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
new mychael's mailbag today
Thomas stays because he loves it here and the team loves -- and can afford -- him. Payton goes because I think he'll be offered more elsewhere, and the A's have other outfield options. Zito goes because he's already gone, presumably to the bank.
by gotgreen on Oct 23, 2006 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Arb-eligible, not an FA.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payton will be offered more elsewhere?
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher, for one.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Dan Johnson hit
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely an open question.
by jeepers on Oct 23, 2006 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong,
Or pick up Carlos Pena to platoon with DJ.
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheffield
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Oct 23, 2006 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pena
by OaktownPower on Oct 23, 2006 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of a lefty-righty platoon,
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Pena won't
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platoon was the wrong word
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm...
I think I've heard that before...
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urban gets all his good
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Venafro)
by ArakSOT on Oct 23, 2006 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Magnante is such a tired act.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 23, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got his PhD in
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Betty Buckley, tired cabaret act
by Ray of Lite on Oct 23, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Mondavi, tired cabernet act
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish we had a pitcher named Ike.
by Jennifer on Oct 23, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the presidential joke
by salb918 on Oct 23, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had plenty of guys named Chad.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 23, 2006 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Up, Tiger Lily?
by Ice Cream on Oct 23, 2006 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line on Kenny:
He lied...He said that he removed the substance himself without being told.
He is a miserable person...How can he enjoy his streak when he knows he a is a lying cheat?
He should be suspended...There is enough photo evidence for that.
he cheated against the A's and Yanks as well...I want my money back!!!
by saint on Oct 23, 2006 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
as the saying goes ...
(My shop steward says I'm entitled to one nonsequitur every shift.)
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In non-kenny related news I saw
by AinOz on Oct 23, 2006 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
chocolate, milk, apples, and lunch meat?
by gotgreen on Oct 23, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or milk chocolate apples
by Englishmajor on Oct 23, 2006 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
by eamb on Oct 23, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, lunch meat
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like grab-some-pine-meat lunch meat?
by Ice Cream on Oct 23, 2006 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a body meat a body/coming thro' the rye?
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno what kind but he's so tall
by AinOz on Oct 23, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My cousin has a friend that works at a Safeway
by suprjo on Oct 23, 2006 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's hot.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 23, 2006 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your guess is as good as mine
by suprjo on Oct 23, 2006 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be fitting
by oblique on Oct 23, 2006 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
puffy eyes
by batgirl on Oct 24, 2006 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Korean MLB Comics
by Englishmajor on Oct 23, 2006 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
on today's theme, miscreance and its consequences
But, really: "Savage-Rumbaugh"?
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the irony!
by Ice Cream on Oct 23, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grape Ape, Grape Ape
by andeux on Oct 23, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and somewhere in the A's minor-league system ...
by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2006 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by OaktownRajah on Oct 23, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sources tell me
And then AN went mad.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 23, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's gold, Jerry, gold!
by day-to-day on Oct 23, 2006 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheating is fundamental baseball.
by OaktownRajah on Oct 23, 2006 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheating is fundamental baseball
Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive; I'm well aware that cheating in sports, is as old as admiring athlete's butts and as old as sports itself. But if an athlete is caught cheating, he should be sanctioned according to the rules.
Why did he have the same "dirt" in the ALCS?
by rfloh on Oct 23, 2006 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really believe that was dirt
by jeepers on Oct 24, 2006 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit's Playoffs Tainted
MLB check his glove!!
If Detroit wins, put an asterisk by it.
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 23, 2006 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just like the Dallas Stars...
forever tainted because of a blantant 'non-call' ---> foot in the crease = no goal
Yet,in sudden death overtime of game 6 vs the Buffalo Sabres.....
& the 'No Goal' controversy continues
by SwisherThresher on Oct 23, 2006 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but on the bright side...
So, after all that, are you a fan too, or just a neutral defender of the integrity of sport, heh...and yeah, I'll never forget watching that final game in 99 finish up around 2 AM, then mourning during the first 15 minutes or so of the post-game show...then having about 5 minutes of hope when the hosts were suddenly alerted to the fact that Hull's goal should have been disallowed...then returning to mourning upon realizing that it was too late to change the ruling.
by Cutthemullet on Oct 23, 2006 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great pic of that play, btw
by Cutthemullet on Oct 23, 2006 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is too easy, which is probably why noone
The dirt at the Coliseum must have been great for Kenny Rogers over the years.
by Jjjsixsix on Oct 23, 2006 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
!@^%!@)#!@# Kenny F'in Cheatin' Rogers
no doubt about it (just my uninformed opionion) but damn, if this is the case, then the win he got against the A's was critical.
always disliked the guy; now more then ever.
by catfish hunter on Oct 24, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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