Hello, My Name is Unnecessary and I'll Be Your Baseball Analyst & WS Open Thread
Ah....playoffs.
A time for a showcase of the best of the best teams in baseball, a time for players to prove their clutchiness or their chokiness, and a time for baseball analysts to be wrong in just about everything they say.
Per usual, I was taking in my daily dose of Fire Joe Morgan and I came across a post about an article that they summarize in one sentence: But then...once in a while...19 baseball experts from the nation's leading sports network try to predict which team will win the World Series, and not one of them even picks a team that makes it to the World Series, let alone wins it.
FJM goes on to remark on this strange occurrence:
The post continues with the traditional 'monkey at a typewriter' analogy, but really. Please tell me that a computer that was programmed to run scenarios based on season numbers, individual player numbers, and heart and grit, if you like, could not come up with better guesses than the experts. I guess what I'm asking is this: Assuming you had the ability to find all relevant numbers about a team before a series, what good is an analyst at all? And more importantly, if the current analysts are picking teams poorly, is there a better way?
Pick Tip #1 - The Best Overall Team Will Win a Playoff Series
Some people get angry when the playoffs are referred to as a crap shoot. "That's not true!" they will cry, "Playoff are won and lost with clutch players and clever managerial decisions, and a whole lot of special October intangibles, and the best team comes out on top!" If there's one absolute to take away from the October stage, it most certainly is the fact that the best baseball team does not always actually win. In fact, if you look at the last two months of this season, Detroit and St. Louis would be the LAST teams to pick for the World Series, a train of thought that was not lost on our analysts. And breaking that down even further, I'm not going to argue the valid pick of Minnesota in Game One. I'm willing to say that a good majority of well-versed baseball fans thought Johan Santana and the Twins offense at home had a pretty good chance of beating Barry Zito and the A's offense in the dome. Best matchups on paper? No guarantees.
Result: False
Pick Tip #2 - The Hottest Team Going Into the Playoffs Will Win A Playoff Series
Exhibit A: The smokin' hot Minnesota Twins. No one was hotter finishing the season. Number of 2006 playoff games won: zero.
Exhibit B: Called the 'best lineup ever assembled in the history of baseball', the 2006 Yankees won one game in the post-season, and then never hit again, as they were bounced out of the first round in short order.
Exhibit C & D: The Tigers and the Cardinals limped into the post-season on fumes, lineups torn asunder, bullpens and starting pitchers tattered and worn, looking for all the world like 3-and-out exits. They're both in the World Series.
Result: False
Pick Tip #3 - Any Time a New York team is in the Post-Season, They Will Go All the Way
Exhibit A: The Yankees.
Exhibit B: The Mets.
So let me see...if the best team doesn't always win the series, and the hottest team doesn't always win the series, and even the New York teams don't always make it to the Series, what are we left with, and how can anyone ever hope to pick a winner?
In my general experience with ESPN analysts, I would say that they share similar biases as fans of a certain team. While, as a rule, we pride ourselves on being objective, sometimes things are colored green-and-gold, and that's just the way it is. We know our players better than anyone; we (generally) want to believe the best about our situation, and unless we're as passionate about our rivals' teams as our own, we sometimes lack the knowledge that can only come from watching a team day in and day out over a long season. ESPN has their pet teams; it's no secret that they were disappointed with the post-season. I wouldn't find it hard at all to believe that their picks came from what they wanted to happen, or the popular pick, not necessarily what careful scouting, an in-depth look at the numbers, and watching the teams all year might have told them.
Let's be honest; if Joe Morgan hadn't sold the world on the 'best offense in the history of baseball', no one would have been that surprised to see a 95 win team with an infinitely better pitching staff beat a 97 win team with shaky-at-best pitching in a playoff series. Yet, that's exactly what happened, and it retrospect, it seems like it could have, indeed, been predicted.
On the flip side, for all the talk about the unstoppable Mets, it came down to one batter, one pitch, and one swing at the bitter end of game seven to decide who would make the NL appearance; the equivalent of a virtual coin toss. Any way to predict that outcome? A resounding 'no'.
So...how do you pick a winner? Is it even possible to pick a winner? Could baseball analysts be closer in their predictions? Where do they succeed, where do they fail, and how much of the baseball playoffs are completely unpredictable?
Ah....playoffs.
Update [2006-10-22 20:30:44 by baseballgirl]: This is now also a World's Series Thread - Game 2
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Stuffed Suit Predictions
I turned off the stuff suits years ago on most sports broadcasts. So many of the 'games' come into my house silent.....I just cannot take any more of the cliches or forced conversation the stuffed suits present.
by Herm4430 on Oct 22, 2006 5:30 AM PDT reply actions
excellent post
winners during the regular season. all the
statistics, matchups and prior history are
probably less of a factor in a short series;
it really comes down which team is hot entering
the series, executing fundamental baseball,
doing the little things to win games.
that's why beane calls it a crapshoot. but its
probably not as bad as that just a little more
complicated a problem to solve than by gross-
simplification of 1 or 2 factors.
by oak1 on Oct 22, 2006 7:08 AM PDT reply actions
I have to disagree with you somewhat :)
(subscriber only). If you're not a subscriber, I'll summarise here. Dayn Perry was the only writer to pick the Tigers to finish above 3rd; he picked them to finish 2nd. Even Tigers fan, Nate Silver picked them to finish only 3rd. The Indians, for the most part, was the sexy pick.
Secondly, you argue that "If there's one absolute to take away from the October stage, it most certainly is the fact that the best baseball team does not always actually win. In fact, if you look at the last two months of this season, Detroit and St. Louis would be the LAST teams to pick for the World Series, a train of thought that was not lost on our analysts."
That depends on how you define "best". One could argue that the "best" team is the team that wins the WS. The "best" team according to the rules are the champions. If a team can't assemble a roster that can win in league play (regular season) and tournament play (postseason), tough. I should note that I'm not contending that luck doesn't matter. As in all tournament play, it does. But crapshoot?
I agree with you that momentum means nothing. And since you're a stathead, you should know that BPro agrees with you too, in their book, BBTN :)
I agree with you that ESPN has it's pet teams, and that their analysts' picks are "biased". I disagree with you why. Their analysts are human like us fans too. That means that they are going to pay more attention to certain teams, which will "bias" their picks. For me personally, as an A's and Mets fan, these are the teams that I pay the most attention too. I can give you an analysis and scouting report of the Mets prospects and suspects, for example. OTOH, I barely pay any attention to the DBacks or the Rockies, and would struggle to name their starters.
The Mets were never considered unstoppable; at least not by any Mets fan. Mets fan, like me, were well aware, and concerned about the injury afflicte pitching staff, specifically the absence of EL Duque.
Nice article, nonetheless.
Excellent Points
When Yankee fans remember the Babe, The Mick and Mr. October.
When Met fans wax poetic about Buckner's Blooper
When St. Louis fans look to redeem recent "Almost, not quite" performances
When the Padre fans look out over the division and try to proudly say "That's pronounced NL 'West', not 'Worst'"
When the Dodger fans look into Anaheim, thinking "Our turn!"
When Detriot fans sing proudly pointing westward towards Chicago, "Everything you can do, we can do better"
When Twins fans sing proudly pointing eastward towards Chicago, "Everything you can do, we can do better"
On a different note, perhaps the only point your diary misses is an analysis of history and it's place in the post season. Lot's to talk about there.
Thanks for a good read.
by thefatman on Oct 22, 2006 8:43 AM PDT reply actions
good post, as usual
What do I base that on? Decades of watching postseason baseball.
Wait, is your real name Lori?
Anyway, the fact is: If the Tigers win the World Series, it will mark the second year in a row that the WS winner was picked to finish no better than third in their own division by nearly everybody, be it on AN or nationally.
Which is what makes baseball so great. And we're about to crown the 7th WS winner in 7 years.
$10 says that
Hell, over everybody,
Heck, $20 says that they
Jeter
He does have that one trick he does where he circles the Earth and makes time go in reverse.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That's right!
We can use this thread for an open WS one
trying not to, trying to work
by rubin sierra on Oct 22, 2006 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It is?
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You really DO learn something
Go Tigers! (If for no other reason, to increase the odds of a 7-game series.)
You realize with that attitude
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow...people look FREEZING there.
There are so many great keys
I am SO Simon Cowell tonight--bring on the next one!
HEE!!!
You and I have a habit of hearing the best of the best sing the National Anthem, don't we?
;)
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. Of course the worst
Not to brag about this community
And I picked the Cards to win it all.
Course, I didn't have Detroit anywhere near it. I didn't see their rotation coming together the way it did. They made me eat my words.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 22, 2006 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
Ouch. Jeepers picking the Cubs
I actually thought Isringhausen
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for Rogers to get pounded...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, he looks AWESOME
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Go gloves!
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric Byrnes's first t.v. gig
And here is the video in the larger youtube size if you'd like a closer look.
Thanks Nick!
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem
Must. Stop. Laughing.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks a WHOLE LOT like pine tar.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
On Rogers' hand?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, it looked a bit
But maybe that's the parent in me talking...
I read "WHOA"...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they're chanting "Boooo-urns."
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. I was just
by rubin sierra on Oct 22, 2006 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't you mean Hank Greenwald?
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I know.
However, my character radar is deeply off lately. I really thought Macha was kindly too.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
just to start a rumor
I'm starting a pine tar scandal
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Can anyone else believe that JEFF WEAVER
I mean, that just doesn't seem fair to the Cardinals.
But the way things are going this playoff season, he'll throw a no-hitter.
Oh wait. Now he won't.
Heh.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as we rag on ESPN
Hear hear...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Tiger-lover.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha..such a trouble maker
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Me?
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
<practices insulted look>
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
<Cant help but smile>
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Weaver is getting rocked.
Wait. No. Not.
He just balked.
He will continue to ge clocked.
Later, he will be socked.
By AN he will be mocked.
Dr. Seuss would be proud. :)
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
"Brandon Inge is one of the most
Or about 15 feet beyond 3rd base, apparently.
Eckstein
Freddie Patek
Is that Joe or Zach?
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
pine tar
Ejection I think
"The Dodgers turned to closer Jay Howell in the bottom of the 8th. Howell ran a 3 ball, 2 strike count to McReynolds leading off the inning. Suddenly, Mets Manager Davey Johnson came out of the dugout, and asked Umpire Harry Wendelstedt to inspect Howell's glove for an illegal substance. Sure enough, Howell was found to have pine tar on his glove, and he was immediately ejected from the game, and would later be suspended for the remainder of the series."
Nice recovery...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
or watching asses half the time
Getting sick of the postseason commentating
I'm with ya...
Well that "explanation" of what happened
So Steve Palermo decided to have Rogers clean off his hand because MLB "wants to be proactive about this?" Wouldn't being proactive have involved checking what was on his hand and ejecting Rogers if it was in fact a foreign substance?
Yes
<Looking for any way to prove Detroit is unworthy>
Though Larussa wouldn't discuss it
Imagine if he protested the game (assuming a Cards loss). All hell could break loose if it was genuinely based on a misapplication of the rules -- which it kinda seems like it could be, here.
That guy Polanco
That name rings a bell from somewhere...
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the rule book,
So either the substance was made in America, or Rogers should have been ejected.
Can I exchange it
Dang--I totally had my eyes
Um
There's a word I'm thinking of, a word that describes him and my general impression of who he is and what he represents. It's similar in nature to bass pole, but that's not quite it.
I wanna fish
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you were actually close
Is the phrase "Gas Bowl"?
A gas bowl
Why am I watching this? I hate Kenny Rogers. I don't care at all who wins. I despise Joe Buck and this Tim McCarver may be legally retarded. I'm either not very bright or masochist.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The Gambler is really dealing tonight
Apparently the Gambler is dealing marked cards ;)
and
Kenny Rogers makes Francisco Rodriguez
all right, last nights shouting of G/B America
The Gambler
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:49 PM PDT reply actions
That
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be 'roid rage
... and doesn't Rogers strike you the same way?
Yeah
Others: Randy Johnson, Francisco Rodriguez,
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:54 PM PDT reply actions
Um
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
True, true,
Ha ha, good points huh!
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:57 PM PDT reply actions
Rogers is REALLY fired up for this postseason
And he is having
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If I didn't know any better
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I will SWEAR he had pine tar on his hand
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
huh
So will
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Fox,
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:17 PM PDT reply actions
You'd rather a
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid of Kenny Rogers
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems familiar for some reason
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
good point,
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply actions
THANK YOU!
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Boy the wheels are fast coming off this wagon
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT reply actions
funny how when i am not a fan
I'll be the Win Exp odds are still 90% or so
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Um
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Todd Jones
<melts>
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
and that reminds me
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ewwwww.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the power
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on what you mean by "scary"
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, what is UP with Kenny Rogers?
He's got
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, who thinks LaRussa will protest?
Maybe we can
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on Myers, ask about the pine tar
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
That was a non-answer!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
no one
What a cheater
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
Using something?
Or steroids? You think he just takes a needle and throws 23 scoreless at the snap of a finger? Things that dont just work on command.
No one likes the dude, but the dude is just flat out dealing and in a zone...gotta give him props for that.
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
<ahem> Pine Tar <ahem>
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That may be...
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but I hate him.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
A BIG FAT CHEATER
Thank God I can still hate him.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
well
Yes
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha..cmon...
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Still
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, perhaps...
There are performance enhancement
Certain sterois can also help with an athlete's mental focus.
worked for Fydrich, right?
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
OP is exactly right
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If he is
Maybe we can get him sent to prison where those pretty boy looks of his will make Rogers rethink the whole pitcher/catcher concept.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like LaRussa isn't flogging the foreign...
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:30 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe we can get
- Dude, where's the french onion dip?
- You see that Kenny Rogers dude pitch? Gnarly.
True True
But for now, your right props to the jack ass Kenny
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT reply actions
Looks Like I'll need a new AN user name
any thoughts guys & girls?
by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:34 PM PDT reply actions
After rooting for an
<shudders, feels dirty, showers again>
Excuse me, I need to go wash my hands.
So....you like Kenny Rogers
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not rooting for him
AHA!
(Young man, if you've no place to go...I said, young man, and you're short on some dough...)
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to change sports
Um, what, huh?
He's got his own court?
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
BB = basketball
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
9 days til Opening Day!
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers and catchers?
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you cheating on baseball again?!
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oops...
by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Someday, someone is going to pull...
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's probably the same court the Clippers used
The picking of the LCS contestants was far worse
by Ghostof64 on Oct 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT reply actions
is anyone
He's a cheater
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe
ESPN studied some tapes
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2635538
WHAT?!!?!
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think MLB needs to rule that
I think that's fair.
Who would manage us?
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
well since Beane doesn't consider
any volunteers? ;-)
I volunteer
There, did I whine enough?
FIRE OROHOE NOW!
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
Can't we all just get along?
(I vote for BBG)
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Quade!
He's a cheater
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope ESPN keeps this alive
Show Rogers the still photos from all three games and make the frickin' bozo explain the "coincidence". If the explanation isn't good enough, suspend him.
Let's drug test him too
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I am going to be SO PISSED
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN
Enough football!
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One word for Kenny Rogers
ESPN
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
John Kruk just called KR a liar!
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
and
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
GMTA
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding, me too!
Stupid not to make it a big deal. A potential 10-game suspension could make the difference for the Cards in the series.
And I can't stand Dusty Baker. He seems like the 'good old boys' club charter member where he just wants to hide everything and have everyone get along.
by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That seemed
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LaRussa
I'm sure
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
but what
<inner monologue of Tony LaRussa>
Hey, that guy at the 7-11 just shortchanged me! I gave him a $20 and he only gave me change for a $10! I'm going back in there and complain! But, wait a minute...what about those two guys I managed 15 years ago? They used steroids and I didn't do anything about it. I guess I'm a horrible human being. I better not say anything about getting jacked out my money. In fact, I think I'll go home and hang myself in the closet...oh, and I would've batter Kielty vs. the lefties.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lookout Landing theory about "pine tar"
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/comments/2006/10/22/192945/62/31#31
THAT
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
holy shit!
It's not photoshopped.
question
and with his chit on his hand, how come no one questions if anything is on his hat?

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