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Hello, My Name is Unnecessary and I'll Be Your Baseball Analyst & WS Open Thread

Ah....playoffs.

A time for a showcase of the best of the best teams in baseball, a time for players to prove their clutchiness or their chokiness, and a time for baseball analysts to be wrong in just about everything they say.

Per usual, I was taking in my daily dose of Fire Joe Morgan and I came across a post about an article that they summarize in one sentence: But then...once in a while...19 baseball experts from the nation's leading sports network try to predict which team will win the World Series, and not one of them even picks a team that makes it to the World Series, let alone wins it.

FJM goes on to remark on this strange occurrence:

...the analysts could have thrown all of their baseball knowledge out the third floor window of the Bristol megaplex, picked a random team to win the World Series...and there would have been less than a 1 in 200 chance that zero of their picks would get to the World Series. (Which, just to remind everyone, is exactly what happened.)

The post continues with the traditional 'monkey at a typewriter' analogy, but really. Please tell me that a computer that was programmed to run scenarios based on season numbers, individual player numbers, and heart and grit, if you like, could not come up with better guesses than the experts. I guess what I'm asking is this: Assuming you had the ability to find all relevant numbers about a team before a series, what good is an analyst at all? And more importantly, if the current analysts are picking teams poorly, is there a better way?

Pick Tip #1 - The Best Overall Team Will Win a Playoff Series

Some people get angry when the playoffs are referred to as a crap shoot. "That's not true!" they will cry, "Playoff are won and lost with clutch players and clever managerial decisions, and a whole lot of special October intangibles, and the best team comes out on top!" If there's one absolute to take away from the October stage, it most certainly is the fact that the best baseball team does not always actually win. In fact, if you look at the last two months of this season, Detroit and St. Louis would be the LAST teams to pick for the World Series, a train of thought that was not lost on our analysts. And breaking that down even further, I'm not going to argue the valid pick of Minnesota in Game One. I'm willing to say that a good majority of well-versed baseball fans thought Johan Santana and the Twins offense at home had a pretty good chance of beating Barry Zito and the A's offense in the dome. Best matchups on paper? No guarantees.

Result: False

Pick Tip #2 - The Hottest Team Going Into the Playoffs Will Win A Playoff Series

Exhibit A: The smokin' hot Minnesota Twins. No one was hotter finishing the season. Number of 2006 playoff games won: zero.

Exhibit B: Called the 'best lineup ever assembled in the history of baseball', the 2006 Yankees won one game in the post-season, and then never hit again, as they were bounced out of the first round in short order.

Exhibit C & D: The Tigers and the Cardinals limped into the post-season on fumes, lineups torn asunder, bullpens and starting pitchers tattered and worn, looking for all the world like 3-and-out exits. They're both in the World Series.

Result: False

Pick Tip #3 - Any Time a New York team is in the Post-Season, They Will Go All the Way

Exhibit A: The Yankees.
Exhibit B: The Mets.

So let me see...if the best team doesn't always win the series, and the hottest team doesn't always win the series, and even the New York teams don't always make it to the Series, what are we left with, and how can anyone ever hope to pick a winner?

In my general experience with ESPN analysts, I would say that they share similar biases as fans of a certain team. While, as a rule, we pride ourselves on being objective, sometimes things are colored green-and-gold, and that's just the way it is. We know our players better than anyone; we (generally) want to believe the best about our situation, and unless we're as passionate about our rivals' teams as our own, we sometimes lack the knowledge that can only come from watching a team day in and day out over a long season. ESPN has their pet teams; it's no secret that they were disappointed with the post-season. I wouldn't find it hard at all to believe that their picks came from what they wanted to happen, or the popular pick, not necessarily what careful scouting, an in-depth look at the numbers, and watching the teams all year might have told them.

Let's be honest; if Joe Morgan hadn't sold the world on the 'best offense in the history of baseball', no one would have been that surprised to see a 95 win team with an infinitely better pitching staff beat a 97 win team with shaky-at-best pitching in a playoff series. Yet, that's exactly what happened, and it retrospect, it seems like it could have, indeed, been predicted.

On the flip side, for all the talk about the unstoppable Mets, it came down to one batter, one pitch, and one swing at the bitter end of game seven to decide who would make the NL appearance; the equivalent of a virtual coin toss. Any way to predict that outcome? A resounding 'no'.

So...how do you pick a winner? Is it even possible to pick a winner? Could baseball analysts be closer in their predictions? Where do they succeed, where do they fail, and how much of the baseball playoffs are completely unpredictable?

Ah....playoffs.

Update [2006-10-22 20:30:44 by baseballgirl]: This is now also a World's Series Thread - Game 2

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Stuffed Suit Predictions
Are no better than predictions from anyone else. Its pretty much a crap shoot.

I turned off the stuff suits years ago on most sports broadcasts. So many of the 'games' come into my house silent.....I just cannot take any more of the cliches or forced conversation the stuffed suits present.

by Herm4430 on Oct 22, 2006 5:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent post
it is really much harder to predict the outcome of a short postseason series than it is picking
winners during the regular season. all the
statistics, matchups and prior history are
probably less of a factor in a short series;
it really comes down which team is hot entering
the series, executing fundamental baseball,
doing the little things to win games.

that's why beane calls it a crapshoot. but its
probably not as bad as that just a little more
complicated a problem to solve than by gross-
simplification of 1 or 2 factors.

by oak1 on Oct 22, 2006 7:08 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to disagree with you somewhat :)
Firstly, it's not just the ESPN analysts that picked horribly. Go to BPro and look at their picks.
(subscriber only). If you're not a subscriber, I'll summarise here. Dayn Perry was the only writer to pick the Tigers to finish above 3rd; he picked them to finish 2nd. Even Tigers fan, Nate Silver picked them to finish only 3rd. The Indians, for the most part, was the sexy pick.

Secondly, you argue that "If there's one absolute to take away from the October stage, it most certainly is the fact that the best baseball team does not always actually win. In fact, if you look at the last two months of this season, Detroit and St. Louis would be the LAST teams to pick for the World Series, a train of thought that was not lost on our analysts."

That depends on how you define "best". One could argue that the "best" team is the team that wins the WS. The "best" team according to the rules are the champions. If a team can't assemble a roster that can win in league play (regular season) and tournament play (postseason), tough. I should note that I'm not contending that luck doesn't matter. As in all tournament play, it does. But crapshoot?

I agree with you that momentum means nothing. And since you're a stathead, you should know that BPro agrees with you too, in their book, BBTN :)

I agree with you that ESPN has it's pet teams, and that their analysts' picks are "biased". I disagree with you why. Their analysts are human like us fans too. That means that they are going to pay more attention to certain teams, which will "bias" their picks. For me personally, as an A's and Mets fan, these are the teams that I pay the most attention too. I can give you an analysis and scouting report of the Mets prospects and suspects, for example. OTOH, I barely pay any attention to the DBacks or the Rockies, and would struggle to name their starters.

The Mets were never considered unstoppable; at least not by any Mets fan. Mets fan, like me, were well aware, and concerned about the injury afflicte pitching staff, specifically the absence of EL Duque.

Nice article, nonetheless.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2006 8:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent Points
Bias hits everyone and what better place than the post season...
When Yankee fans remember the Babe, The Mick and Mr. October.
When Met fans wax poetic about Buckner's Blooper
When St. Louis fans look to redeem recent "Almost, not quite" performances
When the Padre fans look out over the division and try to proudly say "That's pronounced NL 'West', not 'Worst'"
When the Dodger fans look into Anaheim, thinking "Our turn!"
When Detriot fans sing proudly pointing westward towards Chicago, "Everything you can do, we can do better"
When Twins fans sing proudly pointing eastward towards Chicago, "Everything you can do, we can do better"

On a different note, perhaps the only point your diary misses is an analysis of history and it's place in the post season.  Lot's to talk about there.

Thanks for a good read.

by thefatman on Oct 22, 2006 8:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good post, as usual
for me it's pitching and making as few mistakes as possible. Of course you have to score runs, but give me a team with great pitching and defense over an offensive juggernaut in the postseason any day.

What do I base that on? Decades of watching postseason baseball.

by OaklandSi on Oct 22, 2006 9:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duh...
You go by the pretty colors on their costumes!

by ABY on Oct 22, 2006 9:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait, is your real name Lori?
'Cause I may have met you at one of Cindi's makeover parties.

Anyway, the fact is: If the Tigers win the World Series, it will mark the second year in a row that the WS winner was picked to finish no better than third in their own division by nearly everybody, be it on AN or nationally.

Which is what makes baseball so great. And we're about to crown the 7th WS winner in 7 years.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 10:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$10 says that
ESPN still picks the Yankees over the Tigers next year.

Hell, over everybody,

"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith

by Boonee on Oct 22, 2006 10:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck, $20 says that they
still pick the Yankees over the Tigers this year. Derek Jeter is that good.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeter
just might pull this out.  Hang on everyone.  I bet he singlehandedly resurrects the Yankees' dead, bloated corpse from the sewer and usurps both Leyland and Tony to win the pinstripes their 27th title in 2006.

He does have that one trick he does where he circles the Earth and makes time go in reverse.

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 2:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's right!
He did it just this morning, and then after that, he did it again yesterday.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 3:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We can use this thread for an open WS one
anyone watching?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 4:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trying not to, trying to work
But I'll contribute this:  go away ERic  Byrnes.
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Oct 22, 2006 5:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is Our Country
Guys.
UC Davis Athletics KDVS 90.3FM www.kdvs.org/streams.cfm

by Hit4TheCycle on Oct 22, 2006 5:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is?
I think Mr. Mellencamp has to tell me another 5,672 times before I get that.
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You really DO learn something
new every day. I had no idea that John Mellencamp was tone deaf.

Go Tigers! (If for no other reason, to increase the odds of a 7-game series.)

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 5:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You realize with that attitude
You're rooting for Kenny Rogers.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...people look FREEZING there.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are so many great keys
to choose them that it's understandable Anita Baker couldn't pick just one.

I am SO Simon Cowell tonight--bring on the next one!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 5:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HEE!!!
I thought it was just me.

You and I have a habit of hearing the best of the best sing the National Anthem, don't we?

;)

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup. Of course the worst
singing voice of all...is Tim McCarver's speaking voice.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 5:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to brag about this community
but AN apparently thought the Cardinals were going to be there.

And I picked the Cards to win it all.

Course, I didn't have Detroit anywhere near it.  I didn't see their rotation coming together the way it did.  They made me eat my words.

by Blez on Oct 22, 2006 5:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch. Jeepers picking the Cubs
to go to the World Series. Almost.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 5:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually thought Isringhausen
and Mulder would contribute to the Cards title, so what do I know?

by Blez on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm rooting for Rogers to get pounded...
...then the Tigers make the game interesting after he leaves. :P
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly, he looks AWESOME
I really want a game 7. I mean, why not?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm...go baseball?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go gloves!
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Byrnes's first t.v. gig
Watching Eric Byrnes on tonight's pregame, I finally remembered who he reminded me of...

And here is the video in the larger youtube size if you'd like a closer look.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 5:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Nick!
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to overwrite you :( You just beat me to an update.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No problem
We just cross-posted there (and I was fumbling around in the diary trying to format the youtube embed link to work on AN.)
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 5:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must. Stop. Laughing.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHOA..what is on his HAND!?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks a WHOLE LOT like pine tar.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On Rogers' hand?
No wonder the guy would suddenly be unhittable in the postseason.

by Blez on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, it looked a bit
like poop.

But maybe that's the parent in me talking...

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 5:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and whatever it was
was washed off for the second inning

by OaklandSi on Oct 22, 2006 5:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read "WHOA"...
...and thought you were still talking about Randee. :)
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please tell me
the Detroit fans aren't doing a "Ken-ny" chant.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 5:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, they're chanting "Boooo-urns."
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. I was just
referencing Hans Moleman a couple hours ago.

link

"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Oct 22, 2006 5:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't you mean Hank Greenwald?
bAnNeD
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aw
Hank's such a kindly old man.

by mikeA on Oct 22, 2006 5:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.
Until he starts doing play-by-play.

However, my character radar is deeply off lately. I really thought Macha was kindly too.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just to start a rumor
Maybe Kenny Rogers is on steroids.  He's suddenly unhittable at age 42 ... and also, maybe his own natural angry personality cancelled out the roid-rage effects of steroids and helped him find inner peace.  
"WTF is wrong with you people TASTELESS COMMENTS. I'm disgusted. Mocking a 10 year old's horrible painful death." --eshock

by rubin sierra on Oct 22, 2006 5:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm starting a pine tar scandal
Oh wait. The announcers already took care of that. Look for the Cardinals to start questioning it.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can anyone else believe that JEFF WEAVER
is pitching today?

I mean, that just doesn't seem fair to the Cardinals.

But the way things are going this playoff season, he'll throw a no-hitter.

Oh wait. Now he won't.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.
Somewhere Burnes is saying, "That was JUST RIGHT!"
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as we rag on ESPN
at least they don't obsessively show crowd reaction shots after every single pitch all game long like Fox does.  Can we just watch the game, please?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 5:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hear hear...
Easiest way to get on TV -- go to a playoff game on Fox, and look semi-scared/nervous/sad/clinically insane/cross-dressing.
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 5:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I LOVE
Craig Monroe's swing.....Pretty as a right handed swing gets.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 5:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tiger-lover.
;)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me?
<polishes halo>
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

<practices insulted look>
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weaver is getting rocked.
I'm SHOCKED.

Wait. No. Not.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He just balked.
"In" he is not locked.

He will continue to ge clocked.

Later, he will be socked.

By AN he will be mocked.

by mikeA on Oct 22, 2006 5:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dr. Seuss would be proud. :)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 5:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Brandon Inge is one of the most
likeable guys that you could run across in any clubhouse." -- Joe Buck

Or about 15 feet beyond 3rd base, apparently.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 6:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet roll right there..
Nice play by Miles.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 6:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eckstein
has to be the only SS in history who has to put arc on the ball to get it from second to first.

by mikeA on Oct 22, 2006 6:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Freddie Patek
had a strong enough arm, but he probably had to arc it just to get it over the runner!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 6:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pine tar
Can anyone tell me what kind of reprimand a player/team recieves from such an offense?

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 6:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ejection I think
From wikipedia:

"The Dodgers turned to closer Jay Howell in the bottom of the 8th. Howell ran a 3 ball, 2 strike count to McReynolds leading off the inning. Suddenly, Mets Manager Davey Johnson came out of the dugout, and asked Umpire Harry Wendelstedt to inspect Howell's glove for an illegal substance. Sure enough, Howell was found to have pine tar on his glove, and he was immediately ejected from the game, and would later be suspended for the remainder of the series."

by mikeA on Oct 22, 2006 6:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

missed it
I turned the game on after the incident, so didn't see his hands. Why would Blue let him wash it off, whereas Howell was ejected? Are they intimidated by Rogers, or WS scenario?

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 6:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

half ass watching tonight
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 6:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the game
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 6:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice recovery...
...before someone asked how many half asses have you seen so far...
"So, whatever, Ozzie." -- Nick Swisher

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 22, 2006 6:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or watching asses half the time
which would be about right, but make that listening to asses half the time (buck and mcarver)
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting sick of the postseason commentating
Any word yet if world-class genius Leyland has arm-wrestled Jesus for the rights to Utah yet?  He's already solved world hunger, so I guess he gets the edge as far as ESPN is concerned.
Zito: I would never bet against this team. First of all because it's against the rules...

by Joey C. on Oct 22, 2006 6:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with ya...
so tired of the Leyland worship. They have to do that with someone.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 6:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that "explanation" of what happened
with the stuff on Rogers' hand wasn't much of an explanation.

So Steve Palermo decided to have Rogers clean off his hand because MLB "wants to be proactive about this?"  Wouldn't being proactive have involved checking what was on his hand and ejecting Rogers if it was in fact a foreign substance?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 6:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes
thank you, they are going to hear about this one.
<Looking for any way to prove Detroit is unworthy>

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 6:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Though Larussa wouldn't discuss it
in his in-game interview.  Hmmm...

Imagine if he protested the game (assuming a Cards loss).  All hell could break loose if it was genuinely based on a misapplication of the rules -- which it kinda seems like it could be, here.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2006 6:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That guy Polanco
never seems to get a hit.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 6:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That name rings a bell from somewhere...
Perhaps we, with our ballclub from Oakland, have played the ballclub of which he is a member.  Now what ballclub does he play for again?
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to the rule book,
specifically rule 8.02 (b): "(The pitcher shall not) have on his person or in his possession any foreign substance. For such infraction of this section {b} the penalty shall be immediate ejection from the game."

So either the substance was made in America, or Rogers should have been ejected.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 7:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I exchange it
if I kept the receipt?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're welcome to
exchange, but for Earth credit only.  
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 22, 2006 7:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dang--I totally had my eyes
on a small piece of land in Northern fourth moon of Jupiter.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 7:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you never know
when that might hit the market - keep your *Io*pen.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 22, 2006 7:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um
Just so we're clear, I've learned to embrace the fear that goes by the name of E-Low.  But I will not root for, I will not be happy for, and I will not participate in the deification of Kenny Rogers.

There's a word I'm thinking of, a word that describes him and my general impression of who he is and what he represents.  It's similar in nature to bass pole, but that's not quite it.

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wanna fish
or play football.  I'm not quite sure why.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you were actually close
with "deification". Just pronounce it slightly differently.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 7:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is the phrase "Gas Bowl"?
Goliath, dissatisfied with his size advantage, decided to buy David's sling, which took steroids.

by TexasAsfan on Oct 22, 2006 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A gas bowl
oozing with deification.  Yes, that's Kenny Rogers.

Why am I watching this?  I hate Kenny Rogers.  I don't care at all who wins.  I despise Joe Buck and this Tim McCarver may be legally retarded.  I'm either not very bright or masochist.

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Gambler is really dealing tonight
The only hard hit ball I can remember was by A Poo
Goliath, dissatisfied with his size advantage, decided to buy David's sling, which took steroids.

by TexasAsfan on Oct 22, 2006 7:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently the Gambler is dealing marked cards ;)
Or he was until they made him wash it off and Rip Van LaRussa forgot to make the umpires inspect the foreign substance.

by socal on Oct 22, 2006 9:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and
for the life of me, I cannot imagine why a standup guy (a straight shooter, a square G) like Kenny Rogers would apparently be unable to sign or resign with a team for more than two years at a stretch.  He must really be a crass mole.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kenny Rogers makes Francisco Rodriguez
look like Peter Sellers in Being There.
next A's manager: Diego Chavez *CHANGE DIEGO NOW!!!!*

by emperor nobody on Oct 22, 2006 7:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all right, last nights shouting of G/B America
is now followed by country twanging it.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 7:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Gambler
Man I just turned on the tube and I gotta say, Rogers is on somethin' (crack) Besides K Rod (wo always acts that way) I haven't seen a pitcher act so crazy. Does he have voices in his head? He keeps talking to himself. Maybe just jacked up,, but on what?

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That
other standup guy (straight shooter, square G) Roger Clemens always acts like that too.  That's why it was soooo much fun when he got kicked out of that ALCS at the Colliseum so many years ago.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be 'roid rage
Remember when Clemens threw the broken bat at Piazza in the World Series?  Remember when Clemens melted down in a playoff game in Oakland and got ejected in like the second inning?  Could be "natural excitement", or...

... and doesn't Rogers strike you the same way?

by socal on Oct 22, 2006 9:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
One of the best days, seeing that jack ass booted. He and Rogers are neck and neck as the 2 I never want to see put on an A's jersey. (again for Rogers).

Others:  Randy Johnson, Francisco Rodriguez,

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um
but in all fairness, Eck acted like that every time out there.  And I liked that...maybe I'm biased.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 7:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, true,
But at least he didnt play for the Yankees, or beat up camera men.

Ha ha, good points huh!

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes
Lets go Cards, nice hit Molina

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 7:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or not

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rogers is REALLY fired up for this postseason
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he is having
one of the best ever.....Amazing stuff.  23 scoreless??  Just ridiculous
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I didn't know any better
I'd suspect that Rogers was partaking in that non-baseball reason Nico said they moved little G for.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will SWEAR he had pine tar on his hand
in the 1st.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
and it was probably in his glove all game, why didnt he ever take his glove off on tv?? kind of strange huh

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh
Now that you mention it, I remember the commentators observing that he walked off the field, into the dugout, shook hands/high-fived his teammates, all while wearing his glove. They thought it looked a little strange. And this was late in the game.

by anne on Oct 23, 2006 12:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So will
Tony, I'm sure.  I'd LOVE to see him protest this loss if the Tigers win.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time
for the the porn 'stache.

"I am coming here to fixing the cable, ya?"

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Fox,
I was craving towel waving shots

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd rather a
long still shot of Todd Jones?
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rut roh....
Rally time?!
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm afraid of Kenny Rogers
if the Cards come back.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This seems familiar for some reason
Molina at the plate in the ninth...
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point,
but better than cracked out Kenny on the bench

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!
Am I crazy, or does it seem like Kenny "Pine Tar" is on something?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no doubt a natural high
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes yes yes
come on cards

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boy the wheels are fast coming off this wagon
THE TIGERS ARE ALL GONNA DIE!
If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice pitch

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny how when i am not a fan
this situation with two outs leaves me non plussed but it it were the A's, I'd be in agony.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Oct 22, 2006 8:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be the Win Exp odds are still 90% or so
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Detroit Tigers:
Proof you can get by with a shitty closer.

by mikeA on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um
no thanks.  The Arthur Rhodes experiment went away, thank God.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Todd Jones
is the least scary member of the Tigers' bullpen, IMO.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

<melts>
<thud>
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that reminds me
he can fix the cable in the offseason, if you know what I mean.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ewwwww.
And ew.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the power
of the 'stache, BBG.  The power of the 'stache.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on what you mean by "scary"
I assume you're talking about his pitching...
If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good call..
Hit the freaking walking strikeout
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, what is UP with Kenny Rogers?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's got
Victor Conte on speed dial, I'm telling you.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bummer

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, who thinks LaRussa will protest?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe we can
get Chris Myers to check his back for acne.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a non-answer!
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few days.
If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha..
Nice answer to the substance question...That was classic
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no one
is "clarifying" anything with regards to the foriegn substance! Rogers just dogded the question too.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a cheater
I just bet he is using something. I havent seen anyone pitch that way in a while.

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Using something?
Like drugs?  And that is going to make him pitch well?  

Or steroids?  You think he just takes a needle and throws 23 scoreless at the snap of a finger?  Things that dont just work on command.

No one likes the dude, but the dude is just flat out dealing and in a zone...gotta give him props for that.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

<ahem> Pine Tar <ahem>
But yes, he's in a zone.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That may be...
But it was off his hands after that and he dealt all night.  The dude is a dick, but he's in a zone....He's Orel like..it's scary.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but I hate him.
A good scandalous story would be so much better!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A BIG FAT CHEATER
zone.  Yes.  Props to the cheater.

Thank God I can still hate him.  

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
He could have started a regimen of "something" with anticipation of the post season, perhaps a few months ago. He should be tested, if he's clean then nothing to worry about.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes
Test the cheater.  Let's at least make him deny it.  That sounds like fun.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha..cmon...
Starting a cycle of steroids 2 months ago dosnt make a pitcher throw 23 scoreless.  Did I miss the radar gun and he suddenly is throwing 99?  Or did he take a drug that enable better command, focus and more bite on his two saeamer?
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still
we should make him deny it, no?  He is a bass pole.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, perhaps...
Or maybe not, but something's fishy.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are performance enhancement
drugs that can enhance an athlete's mental focus.

Certain sterois can also help with an athlete's mental focus.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 22, 2006 11:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OP is exactly right
Even if Kenny's shooting adernochrome into his jugular, the run he's on now is just amazing, approaching historic.
I threw that horseshoe into the weeds to see what luck can bring

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he is
I want video evidence to turn into the league.

Maybe we can get him sent to prison where those pretty boy looks of his will make Rogers rethink the whole pitcher/catcher concept.

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like LaRussa isn't flogging the foreign...
...substance angle in his press conference.
If nothing else, he knew how to chew a stick of gum.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 22, 2006 8:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe we can get
Byrnesy to ask the tough questions.  Such as:
  1.  Dude, where's the french onion dip?
  2.  You see that Kenny Rogers dude pitch?  Gnarly.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True True
Yeah he is dealing, his adrenaline is definitely going. But hey, I think he IS doing something to the ball, pine tar ir whatever. It may have been on his bare hand, but what about the glove.

But for now, your right props to the jack ass Kenny

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks Like I'll need a new AN user name
I need some good suggestions,, lets start w/ "I Hate Kenny"

any thoughts guys & girls?

by Bend It Like Zito on Oct 22, 2006 8:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After rooting for an
angry schlmiel and a homophobic jerk and watching them prevail, I had to take a shower.

<shudders, feels dirty, showers again>

Excuse me, I need to go wash my hands.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So....you like Kenny Rogers
is what you're saying?
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Nico
don't root for him.  He's a bad bad man, and not in that good Muhammed Ali kind of way.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not rooting for him
I'm rooting for Detroit and Rogers had the nerve to show up and pitch for them. I was actually rooting for Preston Wilson to hit a game-tying HR against Todd Jones, hoping the Tigers would then win it in the bottom of the 9th--but that Jones could blow the save due to his own pathetic error. That combination would have meant a big win for the Tigers and a small victory for the Castro District.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AHA!
So Todd Jones WAS the one in the police officer's uniform!

(Young man, if you've no place to go...I said, young man, and you're short on some dough...)

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to change sports
but the San Diego stadium that the Lakers/Suns are playing in is the ugliest BB court I've ever seen.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, what, huh?
I don't know what that phrase means elsewhere, but here on AN you just said "Billy Beane court".
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's got his own court?
The man's amazing.  I love him.  He's the antithesis to Kenny Rogers.  Just think of BB and you can stop the rebathing process, Nico.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BB = basketball
I'll have to ask Macha for a current nickname for Beane. ;)
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitchers and catchers?
In November?
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you cheating on baseball again?!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops...
I just cant stop cheating
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Oct 22, 2006 8:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someday, someone is going to pull...
...that comment out of context from this site and get you in trouble!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 8:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's probably the same court the Clippers used
when they were the San Diego Clippers and played in that arena in the early 1980s.

by socal on Oct 22, 2006 9:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The picking of the LCS contestants was far worse
Worse, only 1 of the experts picked an eventual World Series contender to advance to the LCS. That is, 18 of 19 "struck out" in the first round regarding the Tigers and the Cards. Had these 19 experts picked the winners of the LDS games at random, I calculate the odds that at least 18 of them would "strike out" (regarding the Tigers and the Cards) to be about 4.7 billion to 1 against.

by Ghostof64 on Oct 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is anyone
seeing the video on ESPN with Kenny's "clump of dirt" in other recent games? I can't believe this guy.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a cheater
Clump of dirt, my butt.  Steve Palermo and everyone playing lawyer.  Gross.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well at least the game
gave us a momentary break from the A's' soap opera

by OaklandSi on Oct 22, 2006 9:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point
Let's just forget who's to blame in all of this.  Let's just hire someone else, remember Kenny fondly and move on.  A's in 2007.  i'm excited.  Who's with me?
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe
They ran out of toilet paper in detroit clubhouse...but what about in NY and OAK?

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN studied some tapes
and claimed to have found similar spots on Rogers' throwing hand during his postseason starts against the Yankees and the A's

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2635538

by OaklandSi on Oct 22, 2006 9:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT?!!?!
WHOA!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think MLB needs to rule that
Rogers' start against the Yankees was still probably completely legit, but that the start against the A's was clearly null and void and the ALCS has to be resumed starting with a new Game 3.

I think that's fair.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 9:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well since Beane doesn't consider
a manager to be all that important...just about anybody should be able to, right?

any volunteers? ;-)

by OaklandSi on Oct 22, 2006 9:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I volunteer
pick me, pick me!!!!

There, did I whine enough?

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Oct 22, 2006 9:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!
What'd I just say?

Can't we all just get along?

(I vote for BBG)

I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Quade!
And all of this week's diaries come full circle.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2006 9:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

certainly
I would have to agree with you, Nico.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a cheater
and a crass mole to boot.  I feel happy again.  Let's keep this controversy alive.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope ESPN keeps this alive
Rogers is repulsive enough as it is, but to let the guy get away with blatant cheating in three stellar playoff starts would be vomit-inducing.

Show Rogers the still photos from all three games and make the frickin' bozo explain the "coincidence".  If the explanation isn't good enough, suspend him.

by socal on Oct 22, 2006 9:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's drug test him too
Make him deny everything.  Maybe we can get the IRS to audit him too...
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am going to be SO PISSED
if it turns out he was using pine tar.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
he was, BBG.  And I don't think there will be anything done about it.  If he was younger, we'd  at least have him in the league longer to hate, but seeing as he's 41, we're not going to have Kenny Rogers to kick around anymore...for too much longer anyhow.
I love me some Esteban.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN
can redeem themselves and be really muckrakeresqe.

by elfgirl on Oct 22, 2006 9:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enough football!
Show us more footage of the cheater.
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 9:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One word for Kenny Rogers
L-I-A-R
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 10:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN
Does appear to be talking about it, at least.
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

John Kruk just called KR a liar!
Wow, that shocked me!
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 10:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and
normally I think Kruk's a moron, but he seems to want to take Rogers to task.
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GMTA
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No kidding, me too!
But they're also right about how Tony LaRussa should have flipped out, if for no other reason than to rattle the best postseason pitcher.

Stupid not to make it a big deal. A potential 10-game suspension could make the difference for the Cards in the series.

And I can't stand Dusty Baker. He seems like the 'good old boys' club charter member where he just wants to hide everything and have everyone get along.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2006 10:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That seemed
to be Tony's MO in Oakland (and Chicago before that) as well.  Low key.  I can't see Tony screaming about it, but you're right, he should've just gone out there and raised hell about it.  Maybe it would be enough to knock Rogers off his game.  I could see Leyland doing this (and Pinella and a handful of others), but not Tony.
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LaRussa
He didn't flip out because he has no moral high ground.  He managed Canseco and McGwire and knew all about their steroid use.  He still refuses to publicly acknowledge that McGwire used steroids.  Given that, it's got to be hard for him to come off yelling about pine tar.

by Wolverine on Oct 22, 2006 10:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure
that was his reasoning.  Good call.
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 10:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but what
if this logic impeded upon other areas of his life?

<inner monologue of Tony LaRussa>

Hey, that guy at the 7-11 just shortchanged me!  I gave him a $20 and he only gave me change for a $10!  I'm going back in there and complain!  But, wait a minute...what about those two guys I managed 15 years ago?  They used steroids and I didn't do anything about it.  I guess I'm a horrible human being.  I better not say anything about getting jacked out my money.  In fact, I think I'll go home and hang myself in the closet...oh, and I would've batter Kielty vs. the lefties.

I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 11:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THAT
was hilarious.  OMG, what if it's true?
I love me some Esteban, even though he scares the hell out of me.

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2006 11:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy shit!
I can't tell if that is photoshopped or not...but laughing hysterically.

by elfgirl on Oct 23, 2006 12:21 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not photoshopped.
At least, not by me anyways.
M's fan. Our young Ace, is better than your young Ace.

by Goose on Oct 23, 2006 2:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question
why does Kenny Rogers go to his hat every pitch
and with his chit on his hand, how come no one questions if anything is on his hat?
Hi, I am closetasfan, and I am a NRAF, and an ANA

by closetasfan on Oct 23, 2006 7:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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