Macha--A sort of defense
(The following assumes you know the quotes from Kendall, Kotsay, Zito, and Haren.)
I liked Macha as a manager--much more than many of you.
I think things could have been much worse (also better, of course). What I liked about Macha was how he handled the pitching and the fact that he didn't make dumbass in-game decisions like so many managers do. Joe Torre ever letting Derek Jeter bunt--that's one dumbass in-game decision. He didn't do idiotic things like that, so I've been grateful.
But once you hear he's lost the team in the way he had; well, he's pretty much doomed.
Macha isn't a bad guy or a stupid guy. He just is generally pessimistic and uncommunicative, and that worked against him. He's too much Eyore to be a leader of men.
Because apparently it does matter that somebody comes out and bitches about a call. It does matter that now and then the skip buoys you up. It does matter that he makes you feel like a part of the team. It does matter that he has energy and confidence that you can draw energy and confidence from when times get tough. Macha fell short in these areas.
So I don't mind Kendall's comments about him not having fire so much. He's just identifying one of Macha's flaws, and one that, whether we fans want to believe it or not, harms the team.
Zito and Kotsay--they sound like pretty typical ballplayers who can't see beyond their own martyrdom (Zito) or inflated sense of self (Kotsay).
Kotsay, in particular, just seems like at times he isn't a very nice guy. He handled a post-game interview at the Coliseum like an absolute prick one time, and his quotes just scream out that he's self-centered, petty, and thus divisive. Remember when he bitched about being pulled from first late in one game in Baltimore?
That was the game after which Urban wrote about Bradley. Bottom line: If Kotsay were black he wouldn't be an ultra-competitive gamer, he'd be a problem. But Milton Bradley gets that role. And really, what a dick Michael Urban seems like in all of this for calling out Bradley repeatedly this year. Yeah, Bradley was the problem in the clubhouse. No, Michael, you tool, Kotsay and Kendall--two likely sources for your bullshit--are the problems, if anybody is.
Kotsay should have sat in Games 1 and 3 vs. Detroit. But he's too clueless to know that. I'm sure Macha would have sat him if he could go back now.
And Danny Haren. He just comes off like the stupid young guy who's following the lead of people it would be better not to follow. Danny doesn't get that Kotsay shouldn't be playing. Glad he saves you occasional runs, dude, but Kielty fricking mashes and gets you runs. So let's just ignore Danny saying that Kots should never have a day off vs. lefties.
Taken together, then: Macha--who again, I liked--needed to go. And in the process of his leaving, we learned some things about some of our players.
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I have to confess that
He seemed better on both counts in 2004-05; maybe, hopefully, he reverts back in 2007?
by Nico on Oct 17, 2006 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's
by salb918 on Oct 17, 2006 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
- Have a man-crush on Kotsay;
- Support those who have a man-crush on Kotsay;
by mikeA on Oct 17, 2006 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of the above--
by Nico on Oct 17, 2006 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay's attitude probably had alot to do with
Kotsay is a great player and I thought he played well in the ALCS. His defense is what he was in for and I thought he had a "decent" series at the plate., better then some other guys.
I give Kotsay alot of credit for coming out and speaking his mind against a manager that got away with poor managing because he was always blessed with good ball players and a good coaching staff.
by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 18, 2006 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay did well at the plate ...
What is to me the most tragic thing about Kotsay is that he doesn't realize that Macha actually had Kotsay's best interests at heart: like any wise personnel manager in any field, Macha was trying to put Kotsay in situations in which Kotsay was more likely to succeed and not put him in those where he was likely to fail.
That's precisely the role of a manager: to identify those situations and assess the strengths and weaknesses of subordinates who are too wrapped up in the technicalities and techniques of their jobs to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses.
(Granted, Macha didn't always achieve that ideal; nor, apparently, did he succeed in the other key element of management, which is getting subordinate buy-in to the scheme.)
by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh ... left out an "expected to"
by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did have 2 doubles off Verlander
by Cutthemullet on Oct 18, 2006 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
That was a significantly positive matchup for Kotsay going in.
Which, again, is not to minimize Kotsay's achievement in actually coming through with his performance. Just to say it was far more likely than his coming through in G1.
by monkeyball on Oct 19, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is funny
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 18, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, both Kotsay and Kendall...
Kendall might be harder to replace (and, to get rid of), but Beane has a knack for this kind of thing.
I'm hopefull they're both gone and replaced with younger, less expensive players.
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your first paragraph
by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say we'd get anything decent for him...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then who plays CF?
by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payton or Bradley...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 18, 2006 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen
by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt that exactly what we did
by NYC on Oct 18, 2006 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of being a manager
by micdog2001 on Oct 17, 2006 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better an Eyore like Macha than a Tigger
by LAXile on Oct 17, 2006 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, shut up!
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he did, but I don't.
by McFood on Oct 17, 2006 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two fingers?
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow- like Babe Ruth
by Brian in 317 on Oct 18, 2006 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blechhhh!
by McFood on Oct 18, 2006 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a fist of greenies.
by Ozzz on Oct 18, 2006 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another part of being a manager....
another part of it is, oh, maybe utilizing some of the tactics that baseball people utilize, like pulling a starter who is getting creamed, or playing your utility guys in blowouts so they can maintain their swing, or pulling a hit'n'run just once, like, ever.
Macha was a caretaker. He wasn't a manager. Replace him with a clubhouse security camera and you're going to get the same results for $1m less per year.
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beane hired Macha to be a caretaker
One might say that Beane's vision is limited in that regard.
by socal on Oct 17, 2006 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Then I think Macha got annoyed he had to come crawling back for that mill, and basically phoned it in all year, knowing if he got fired, he'd pocket two years of salary when his contract was torn up.
Sure, Beane likes to hold a manager's hand, but you can't tell me Billy was phoning down from his gymnasium in the 8th inning, saying "keep Sauerbeck in."
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, you might save $$$ ...
by monkeyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Kotsay game
When I saw Kotsay's quotes today, I was thinking about the game you mention: Kotsay made two bad errors trying to play first, and after he was moved back into centerfield for the last couple of innings he complained that he was embarrassed by what Macha did. Not embarrassed by his two errors, apparently, which might have cost the team the game, but embarrassed by the manager moving him back to his natural position. What happened to "wearing it"? And I saw the same kind of thing from Kendall. Both seemed increasingly more concerned with how tough they looked than with how they performed. That's sure as hell not leadership.
by andeux on Oct 17, 2006 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also Kotsay, historically,
Essentially, here, Kotsay is complaining about one of the few times Macha got it right in regards to the lineups and underperforming "untouchable" players.
by Nico on Oct 17, 2006 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
And we've seen it many times - a tight call at first, and where's Macha? Daydreaming.
A pitcher has our number, indicating we should bring in a pinch-hitter to shake things up, but Macha won't do so in case there's an injury and we're short a backup.
That's not managing. That's 'being present'. I'm with the players here.
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need protecting from harsh media questions?
by IndianaAsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my take on it.... Kotsay was man enough to
Kotsay did what he was asked to do, I'm sure he didn't go out and guarante he would be a great first baseman.
Macha ALWAYS set his players up to fail and made them look bad in the process.
by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 18, 2006 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Stayed Silent Through the...
It's easy to see why Macha's lack of communication got him fired. It was his inability to communicate effectively with Beane as well as his players.
Kotsay's myopic view failed to take into consideration that when he played too much he got hurt. The last 6 weeks were used masterfully by Macha to keep Kots fresh for the playoffs. That was Macha's gamble. It prevailed in allowing the A's to get to the playoffs but it failed in that he should have been replaced by Kielty at strategic moments during the Detroit series.
Macha was an engineering major for Pete's sake! Those aren't the most touchy-feely individuals you'll find out there. His introvertish nature lent him more to be defined as the thinking man's manager. All we had to do was follow his logic and see what the results would be. Simple enough? Hardly. He had questionable decisions at times, but overall he steered this team to the playoffs in impressive fashion.
Macha was frustrated as we all were this year with the injury bug. It was unbelievable how well he managed the team through this amount of adversity. No one was complaining (loudly) in August, but everyone knew that Beane stacked the roster to handle the potential devastation during the early months and all Macha had to do was keep it together. He did.
When the injuries hit a couple of players who were referred to as "non-entities" it was perceived as an insult. Hardly. It was "Macha-ese" for saying those players have zero effect b/c they aren't on the roster to be inserted into games to help. That's not an insult, it was the reality at the time.
Let's give Macha credit late in the year for also bear hugging Bradley late in the year when he was riled up at questionable umpire's call. That bear hug wasn't so touchy feely as some would have hoped but it did save MB from a suspension.
During the ALCS I was jealous every time I heard references to Leyland and his ability to guide, encourage and intervene at the appropriate times to get his players to perform. It drove me nuts thinking about what he would do with our team. I WANT A JIM LEYLAND TYPE OF MANAGER IN OAKLAND!
I don't know if we are going to get one. Our current list doesn't thrill me. I just hope Beane has the werewithall to find someone who's effective in Leyland way of doing things. We shall see.
by Gerard on Oct 17, 2006 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with every word of this
That said, I too want a more hand-on, fiery, assertive leader of men. I want a manager the players really want to win for, really believe in. I vote for Ron Washington.
by RLangford on Oct 17, 2006 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robertson
by IndianaAsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your description of Macha reminds me
Q: How can you tell if a mathematician is an extrovert?
A: They're staring at YOUR shoes.
by jeepers on Oct 18, 2006 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was great that he pulled away MB away from
Macha should have jumped in from of MB and done his arguing for him - and by doing this showing support for his player in his moment of angst - he shouldn't have picked him up (although that was impressive in itself) like a baby and escorted him away from the ump, as this could send the message that he is siding with the ump.
And this happened all the time as the players, or base coaches were left to fend for themselves as Macha just watched from the dugout.
by SD Erik on Oct 18, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sort of defense of Haren's comments:
You didn't say anything about Chavvy's comments, which I thought were equally significant, in character, and less easily dismissable as ego or bad attitude.
by diabolicslugs on Oct 17, 2006 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chavvy was just his usual self
by RLangford on Oct 17, 2006 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chavy will say whatever to whoever to avoid
He's laid back and doesn't want to argue. I think that's ok, but sometimes it would be nice for him and take a stance on something and be strong with it.
by Vegas A's Fan on Oct 18, 2006 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manager Solution:
Best Candidates:
Frank Thomas- He's the big vet, and he sits around in the dugout not playing defense all game, he's probably bored. He needs the extra challenge.
Nick Swisher- He's got that Ozzie Guillen fire and will make everybody do that handshake. He's totally mature enough..
Scott Hatteberg- Beane loves him. Bring him on back.
by Hegenberger Road on Oct 17, 2006 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Hatty as manager,
There is no downside, I tell you!
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 18, 2006 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
Oh, wait...
by Poppy on Oct 18, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I have an answer.
I start Monday.
by Ozzz on Oct 17, 2006 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what i like about macha
with regards to injuries, it should be noted that macha is a black belt in karate and possibly sees pain/injury as something that is mental and preventable. granted, guys are going to get banged up.
with regards to holding the team together during injuries, it's not as if he traded for or signed marco scutaro, bobby kielty, kirk sarloos, duke, and every other key guy who chipped in when our starting nine dropped this year. credit goes to the front office for compiling a roster that was able to replace starters with guys who held the team together. macha simply did the obvious, what any of us would have done. harden gets injured, you put sarloos back in rotation.
with regards to our bullpen, it's as if we have two bullpens with the depth we had this year. we could trot out one group one day and another the next if we so cared. it was very impressive.
by mcbronsh on Oct 18, 2006 2:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what i like about macha
"Keeping him on the field is huge,'' manager Ken Macha said. "The guy is a grinder. You want all your guys playing like that. He sets by example what to do, and he's pretty much in charge of the dugout.'' Macha 7/17/06
by Sashulia on Oct 18, 2006 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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