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Offseason wish lists...

Here's mine.  Post yours.

I'm going under the assumption that there isn't actually much money coming free.  Lots of guys are due raises, already contracted or not.

  1. Pencil in Jason Windsor as the 5th starter.  It's a hell of a lot cheaper than singing a replacement 5th starter and we can't get a premium talent for the price we're willing to pay anyway.  Windsor is likely to be as good as any reclamation project, and he may well be better.  Saarloos is insurance if necessary (or Halsey if we let Los Kirk go.)
  2. Immediately record Dan Johnson's bench press, deadlift, and squat pundages, and tell him to increase those numbers by 40, 60, and 80 lbs respectively, by spring training.  It's for his own good.  DJ needs an edge.  The roid heads didn't increase their games for no reason.  I'm not at all advocating steroid use by DJ, but he can definitely make improvements.  He needs to do something if he wants to have a major league career.  
  3. Trade for Geoff Jenkins.  I'm sure many of you will hate this idea, but Jenkins is the best defensive leftfielder in baseball, and he still hits righties very well (.871 OPS against, .877 over the past three years).  The Brewers are desperate to trade him, and will almost surely eat at least $2 million off his $7 million contract, and will likely only require a Kurt Suzuki or Brad Halsey type in return.  A platoon with Kielty would be adding an All-Star level player to the lineup for far less than an All-Star would cost.
  4. Sign Kennedy to a two year deal for $4-5 million.  He was balls when healthy.
  5. Trade Duke for Kevin Kouzmanoff plus an A baller.  Another unpopular notion, but Duke is about to get expensive, has tremendous trade value, and is mostly replaceable.  Kennedy is nearly as reliable.  Gaudin and Calero can take Kennedy's spot. The bullpen will remain stacked. You have to give to get.  The A's need another big bat.  We all know this.  Duke can fetch us a potential impact bat.  A Kouzmanoff trade would be a fine match for both teams. They need pen help bad and are willing to deal prospects.  Kouzmanoff can get 400 ABs easy with a little shuffling, more if he works out well.
  6. Let Payton go.  Obviously.
  7. Re-sign Big Hurt.  I don't think this is an absolute, and don't want the A's to make a large committment, but he is the greatest hitter the A's can afford to have, and hugely valuable.

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payton
dont let him go he was a very key player
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by bballfanr33 on Oct 15, 2006 5:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Well, in my plan, Jenkins would essentially replace him.  Jenkins is a superior player in every aspect, and would be close to the same price.

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 5:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since you like the less travelled paths
How does Eric Chavez for Jake Peavy sound?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 15, 2006 6:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I don't think Chavez has trade value, and definitely not for a guy that the Pads most likely still see as an ace. All that Peavy trade talk seems to have originated in Boston, not San Diego.

There is one guy/team that might be a match, and that's the Cardinals with Rolen.  We have the lesser player, but Rolen and LaRussa are feuding, and the two are similar enough, right down to the injuries.  I think Beane should at least explore that one.  Chavez and Calero for Rolen is a deal I'd look awfully hard at.  The concern would be the clubhouse and the fanbase, not anything on the field.

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 6:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Padres are looking for a 3B with power
they could be in the market for Rolen as well. The question of Chavez's trade value comes down to how good the SD front office thinks Eric is when healthy.
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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 6:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Hmm, the Padres might be a team that sees the value of Chavvy. Oakland ties and they do have that need. Don't see a good match between the teams though.  I'm sure Peavy, Young, and AG are off limits.  Don't think they have anybody else the A's would be too interested in, at least for Chavvy.  

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 6:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Supposedly
The Padres would be willing to part with Peavy for the "right" position player. Peavy's got great stuff, but he wasn't exactly dominant this year and it could be that SD would be willing to make a change.
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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 6:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peavy for Chavvy
How do you justify this deal, out of curiousity? I can see the value of getting another good-to-high quality starter, but in exchange for a relatively major force on the A's who plays top shelf D? If you trade a position player, let alone a position player who is arguably top 5 at what he does (hitting and defense overall), you better have a quality replacement. Is Peavy's production (which someone termed as decent last year) every 5th day really better than a consistent force at 3b? As a Phillies and A's fan, I can tell you it sure is nice to have a great 3b and it sure does suck to not have one. I'm just curious as to who you would replace Chavvy with -- Melillo? Another trade? FA? I feel like none of these guys would approximate Chavvy's value, and Peavy + X at 3b' value probably does not outweigh Chavvy + Windsor or someone similar at SP... 3b is one of the hardest positions to fill, the A's already have at least 4 good SPs, why trade a strength to fulfill another strength?

I'm not attacking, I am just trying to pick your brains for more ideas =-)

by Alon on Oct 16, 2006 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fix:
Meant to say "not exactly dominant," not "decent" in reference to the comment on Peavy's quality. Also, please don't get me wrong, who WOULDN'T want Jake Peavy? I just want to know what kind of replacement you see at 3b and how you balance the deal

by Alon on Oct 16, 2006 6:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's be honest
Chavez has not been a major force for the past two years, and at $9.5 million we haven't been getting value for the buck. I do have a couple ideas on how to replace Eric but availability (and thusly price) will be heavily dependent on what moves certain non-Oakland teams make.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 6:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So
you would wait for other moves to shake out and if they go the right ways have a Chavvy for Peavy trade in the pipeline?

by Alon on Oct 17, 2006 4:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think more could be had for Duke
I think Duke + Komine/Windsor could net us Crawford. Maybe more is needed but it's a start. Forget Geoff Jenkins, he reached his peak a few years ago and isn't getting any younger/better. Get Crawford and put him in left and away we go.

Resign Big Frank, multi-year MB, show Eric to a shaman and the middle of our order is ready to go.

Give MaEl a pair of titanium batting gloves and he's good to go.

Tell Crosby he's playing baseball and not Tiger Woodsball and maybe he'll be good to go.

Show Zito the door and hide the weights from Harden and we have a new ace.

Tell Blanton to develop a Haren-esque splitter and get his (substantial) weight behind the pitch and he's set.

Teach the Duke curveball to Guadin, or tell him to stick with what's working.

Sign Kendall up for a dodgeball league to work on his accuracy and he could become a premium catcher if he's not already.

Sign Richard Simmons for some arobic-therapy classes for the offseason for EVERYONE affiliated with the organization so that the letters "D" and "L" are never put together to form a certain acronym.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is my offseason wish list.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 15, 2006 6:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few thoughts in reply...
Windsor: I think the A's are in trouble if he's their #5. I saw no evidence of a major league pitcher in any of his outings. How he went 17-2 in the minors is a complete mystery to me, and more power to him for it, but I don't see a major league pitcher there. I see one in Gaudin, however.

Duke: To me, Duke was the best pitcher on the team, bar none, and (along with Thomas) the team's co-MVP. I'd hang onto him, even if it meant rolling the dice with a multi-year deal for a player with a bad back. Kotsay is a more expensive version of that problem; I say deal him before you deal Duke.

Thomas: Obviously, I'd love to see Frank in the A's lineup next season. However, I think if the A's have indeed offered 2 years/$15 million, then they have made a VERY fair offer, and if Thomas balks (as he is rumored to have done with his "It's a starting point...There's a ways to go..." quotes, I will completely understand if Beane decides he can't throw any more money into a 39-year old with a reconstructed ankle.

Question: Who do you see the A's parting with in order to get Geoff Jenkins? I have no problem with the idea of acquiring him; I just don't know what the likely cost would be.

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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 6:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny you should ask that question
The Brewers are supposed to be in the market for bullpen help, as well as a catching prospect that could be ready circa 2008. They're also looking for a CF and SP Doug Davis ( a 5th year arby canidate) is supposed to be looking for a 3 year deal. Milwaukee seems to be willing to push Jenkins out the door although I'm not entirely sure why.
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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 6:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I felt the same way the first time I saw Duke and the first time I saw Harang (I didn't see the gem that Duke threw; i saw one of the next starts).  Hell, Blanton looked like nothing as well.  At some point, I'm throwing my faith behind the performance record.  Seriously.  I wouldn't object to leaving him down for half a season and using Los Kirk (hence, pencil him in).  I would be absolutely opposed to signing a Loaiza or Kris Benson type for the role.

Duke would be hard as hell to let go.  But I don't see how the A's can get a big young bat without dealing Duke, Street, or Haren.  And Duke is the first I'd deal of those three.  And after years now of weak offense, I think it's time for the A's to do what it takes to get a big young bat.  We'd take a hit dealing Duke, but I have a lot of faith in Kennedy.  He was utterly reliable when healthy.  Kouzmanoff has the exact same swing as Kendrick, but with a bigger body.  I love his performance record and I love the way he looks.

For Jenkins...Suzuki, Halsey, maybe Saarloos.  I'd let the Brewers pick from a pool of those types.

I thought the A's offered Frank 2 for $6 million.  2 for $15 million is already more than I would expect BB to do.

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 6:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm partial to keeping Suzuki
He should be Oakland's starting catcher in 2008.
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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 6:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'd rather move a Jairo or Halsey than Suzuki, but I ultimately wouldn't hesitate.  IIRC, Powell threw out over 50% of base stealers also, and the offense is going to be close to the same.  Powell has more power.  Suzuki has more discipline.  Neither appears to have star potential.  I'm not too upset if Powell ends up the guy.

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 7:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Powell is further away
I'd have had Suzuki in AAA last August with the idea of having him ready mid-season 2007.
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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 7:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-Rod.
(And by that, I mean I wish the Angels trade Howie Kendrick and Ervin Santana for Alex Rodriguez.)
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by salb918 on Oct 15, 2006 6:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

payton
A's ,mvp's in order this year
  1. Frank thomas
  2. Milton Bradley
  3. Jay Payton
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by bballfanr33 on Oct 15, 2006 6:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm more like...

1 Thomas
2 Zito
3 Haren
4 Swisher
5 Duke
6 Bradley
7 Street
8 Kendall
9 Chavvy
10 maybe Payton

:P

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 6:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhm
  1. I agree with Nico here: it's hard to see Windsor as anything more than a fifth starter. If we replace Zito with Windsor, that's a huge downgrade. Huge.
  2. I think Johnson's problem is in his swing, not his muscles. I think he is obviously not a very good answer at first base, or at DH. I think the A's will just keep him as a backup, no more.
  3. Jenkins: bah. He's making like $7 mil, and he ain't worth that. He's not worth $3 mil more than Payton, especially when considering defense.
  4. Kennedy: excellent idea, I think Beane thinks so too, and I can see Kennedy here for at least a few more years.
  5. Duke: no no no no no no. Without Duke in 2006, we don't make the playoffs. No.
  6. I like Payton, but he's limited in what he does. If we could find someone better than him in  LF, or 1B (and then move Swisher to left), by all means, we don't need him, but he's better than all our alternatives, who are basically Bobby Kielty.
  7. Nico said 2 years/$15 mil for Thomas - is that really worth it? Realistically, he won't make it through the next two years without getting hurt. Add to that the natural regression of all players his age who are not on steroids, and he'll be hurting our payroll in 2008. I'd love to have him on our team, but we are not the Yankees. We could spend wisely on a free agent instead.
All that being said, I haven't really come up with a plan for what I would want the A's to do this offseason, so who am I to judge?

by Philip Christy on Oct 15, 2006 6:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe (hopefully) I got that wrong--
I thought I heard/read $15mil but truthfully, that sounds like more than the A's would offer, and $6mil sounds more probable.

So maybe I just heard a flat-out false rumor, didn't realize it wasn't fact, and started repeating it as gospel. Very responsible, huh?

I'd be up for offering Thomas up to $10mil for 2 years, but I don't think any more would make sense. And even at $10mil the A's could get completely burned, but it's a chance I'd be willing to take.

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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 6:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From a White Sox fan
Hey, good job in the playoffs. Everyone--AN and me included--feared the Twins, and it turns out the Tigers were the ones to run away from.

On the subject of Thomas: he's had an aversion to testing the FA market in the past, signing extensions with the Sox instead. As a result, he's only made ~96 million in his career, which is significantly less than lesser players like Jeff Bagwell (Upwards of 140)and Gary Sheffield (~146?). By significantly, I mean by less than about $55 MM. Also, Thomas had significant cash troubles with the White Sox when his record label collapsed, and possibly with his divorce. As I recall, the team helped to keep him afloat.

The point is, he's looking to cash in. If you want him, you're going to have to double the $10 MM for 2 years offer...and that's a starting point. He won't get any more contracts after this one, and he's looking to cash in. He's not going to give any discounts, nor should he. I think the A's resign him for two years, 20 MM, and he performs spectacularly. If not, then the Orioles, Mariners, Angels, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees and Tigers could have use of him and the cash to pay for him. Heck, the Rangers could probably make room for him.

If Frank Thomas doesn't sign with you, the only teams he won't go to are: any NL team, the White Sox, the Devil Rays, the Royals, the Twins, or Cleveland.

by Stealfirstbase on Oct 15, 2006 7:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GAK!!!
I just don't see how the A's could spend $20mil on Thomas, nor am I sure that they should.

I really want him back, but if that's what it takes, I totally understand if Beane goes in a different direction.

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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 7:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what it's going to take.
I could see Thomas settling for 18 or 16 MM with incentives, if those incentives were lucrative enough and you included a no-trade clause.

People are assuming he's only going to get a two year deal. I'm not sure that's the case. I could see him going for a three year 24 or 27 million dollar deal to a team like Seattle, the Angels, the Orioles or the Blue Jays.

Frank Thomas should have laughed in the face of a 2 year $6 MM offer. I'm not sure what Billy Beane was thinking. I don't know if AN folk regard Beane as a genius, but he royally screwed up here. Thomas--as a player and as a person--functions best when people doubt him. He played best in the 90s when Sox players like Ozzie Guillen would get on him about Juan Gonzalez, Manny Ramirez and Jim Thome having great numbers. He played best against the White Sox this year because they did disrespect him this offseason. If I know these things then Beane knows these things. And yet he offered Frank Thomas a two year deal worth $3 MM dollars a year, in a time when Frank Thomas is looking to cash in. I can only assume Beane was drunk or looking to alienate Thomas and make him more difficult to sign. It doesn't make sense any other way.

by Stealfirstbase on Oct 15, 2006 8:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who knows what the actual
initial offer was? Apparently it was such that Thomas didn't rush to sign it, nor was he put off. Whatever it actually was, it was probably a fair low offer, to be countered by Thomas' fair high offer, and go from there.

The one thing I'd be careful about presuming is that either of us knows as much about it as Beane. He knows Thomas personally, he knows the market, he knows how much he offered--none of us can say the same.

But honestly, I think your figures are high. There's no getting around the fact that Thomas will start next year 39 years old, with a career ending injury always just one mis-step away. Only the Yankees might throw $27 million at that. Hey, are they still paying John Mayberry?

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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 8:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, I heard 2 yrs $6 MM
That won't buy you a gyro from Frank Thomas this offseason. If you want the man, pay the man. If you don't pay the man, someone else will.

I really think he could go for $27 million if he goes to either the Orioles or the Mariners. And if he wants to go for three years I don't think $24 million is unreasonable.

I've been wrong before, though. I told some Cubs fans that the starting point for discussions with Derrek Lee should be at $70 million. They countered with $63, since he was only a bit better than Paul Konerko, and a year away from free agency. He ended up signing for $65 million.

Really, though, when someone hits the FA market, can you ever lose betting high on them? Ever?

I'll stick to my guns--like JUAN URIBE!--and say that Thomas will get 20 million for two and 24 MM for 3.

by Stealfirstbase on Oct 15, 2006 8:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm guessing more like
$16mil for 2 years. I think that would be a fair deal for both sides and is about what Thomas can hope to be guaranteed.
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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 8:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could see Thomas going for that...
with a no trade clause and at-bat incentives that would take it to twenty million, sure.

by Stealfirstbase on Oct 15, 2006 8:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S.: Maybe the "$6 million"
was in fact "$6 million/year for two years," and got misrepresented in the shuffle. I have no first-hand knowledge that the A's ever made an offer as low as $3million/year--in fact I'm sure they didn't.
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by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 8:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's happened before
But I'd disagree with that. I think the A's offered to pay Frank Thomas 6 million dollars guranteed for the next two seasons, and the incentives weren't reported. Irrespective, it's still too low. 6 million a year is too low.

by Stealfirstbase on Oct 15, 2006 9:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball teams don't have that short of
memories ...

They won't forget whatever caused them to not outbid the A's offer of $500k last year and there are only a few teams that could afford to pay $10+ mil to a healthy Thomas at his age and many of them already have the DH spot wrapped up. Any market that doesn't include the Yanks, Red Sox or the entire National League is going to be relatively affordable.

by devo on Oct 16, 2006 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He won't be signed by NYY, BOS for sure
becuase of Ortiz and Giambi. ANA is possible - but I think that they would like to start playing Vlad as a DH more often. BAL and TOR could both use him - but he would have to decide definitely for money as opposed to competing for a championship. And SEA is expected to be in the bidding wars for the Japanese pithcer - Matsuzoki (sp?) and Schmidt - so they might have that extra money tied up.

I think that when he tests the Free Agent market, there won;t be the money out there that he expects - so the A's should be able to get him for a reasonable price ~ 2 years 8-10 Million, with maybe some extra bonus potential for health and performance sounds about right to me.

by SD Erik on Oct 16, 2006 7:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps the total was $15 million
including substantial incentives?

Could the incentives part be what Thomas is hesitating about?

by OaklandSi on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Jenkins is a fantastic fielder.  He cleans up in all the metrics.  He does great in the fans' scouting reports.  And he's got the rep around the league.  I like him so much because the only place he's declined is in hitting lefthanded pitching.  His hitting agains righties was exactly in line with his career averages last year.  And in Oakland, obviously, he wouldn't have to bat against lefties more than 50 times with Kielty around.  He's the exact type of flawed but undervalued player the A's have had so much sucess with.  And I'm sure the Brewers would eat some of that contract.

As for DJ, there's no downside, and I do think a very large part of his problem is that he doesn't hit the ball as hard as other first baseman.  He's a slightly stronger Hatteberg, but far from a slugger.  He and the team ought to take chances.  He's likely not to have a career otherwise.  There's no market of okay hitting 1B/DH types.

Harden would replace Zito.  Windsor replaces the 20+ starts we got from Saarloos and Halsey.

by 31Boots on Oct 15, 2006 7:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dan Johnson
I don't necessarily disagree with you that DJ needs to become a better athlete.

What I'm curious about is why you picked the Bench, Squat and Deadlift as the exercises he needs to focus on. I'm also curious about the numbers you picked.

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by rfloh on Oct 15, 2006 11:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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The traditional power lifts, uncomplicated but useful.  If he was enough of an athlete, I would recommend the Olympic lifts, but a weak athlete needs months just to learn the technique of those.  He wouldn't be seriously lifting until February.   It doesn't matter so much exactly what the lifts are. I suppose he could do rows instead of bench presses. That might be safer and more effective.  Just get him lifting and moving toward a big goal.

I especially like pundage goals though because strength training is mostly neurological, particularly among the undertrained.  To do a program like this (concentrate on building strength and power), he would have to concentrate on low rep dynamism, which won't bulk him up.  If the A's told him to add 10 lbs of muscle, he'd just get bigger, more inflexible, and likely not much stronger.  

As for the poundages themselves, aggressive but attainable.  These would be typical gains amongst any first time PLer over four months (80lbs on the squat might be too much).

by 31Boots on Oct 16, 2006 8:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The traditional power lifts are great
I love deadlifts, and squats are the basis of life on earth as we know it :) But I would also include the Snatch, because it requires the use of the lower body extensors together with the upper body extensors, and the torso muscles too at the same time. Since he isn't planning on actually competing in an Olympic lifting competition, perfect or excellent technique is not all that important. I wouldn't really emphasise the bench too much, because I don't see all that much carryover too hitting the baseball.

I certainly agree with you that training the nervous system is very important for athletes. However instead of just focusing on increasing absolute strength, ie increasing certain lifts by certain poundages, I believe an athlete, unless he's a football player, specifically a lineman, needs to also focus on increasing relative strength. That is getting stronger without putting on (much) weight.

Are you a powerlifter?

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by rfloh on Oct 16, 2006 9:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re
I'd be more worried about injury than anything with Olympic lifts.  I think it'd be months before he could do them to any significant degree and stay safe.  Snatch is certainly a great exercise though.  Maybe power cleans as an in between.

I used to powerlift.  Even got to a 1400 total (my proudest accomplishment before the age of 25).  It was starting to wear too hard on my joints though (and I didn't want to be 240 anymore).  I actually stick mostly to jogging and yoga these days.  

Obviously you're right in the other post about core strength, but you can't underestimate the decompression of the spine with yoga.  I've stretched for years and used to go to a chiropractor.  I've even had a couple rounds on a reverse hyper machine.  My back never opened up with those like it did with yoga.  Not just the back, but the hips and pelvis too.  It all seems to work together.  

by 31Boots on Oct 16, 2006 8:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nico and I hit all our pundage goals this year
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 10:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's item #1 on my wish list
According to what I've read, Kotsay has a partial NTC for the remainder of his contract. He's supposed to be able to block a deal to roughly 8 different teams.

Anbody know who those 8 teams are?

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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 7:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess is think of 8 of the worst teams
when he signed the extension. Im sure TB, Bal, Pitt, KC, and Wash are on their but im not sure about any others considering a lot of teams getting better.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 15, 2006 8:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was thinking
Florida (Been there, done that)
Pitt
KC
Detroit
Toronto (He secretly hates Canadiens)
Cincy

Washington???
Baltimore???

I'd like it if Milwaukee wasn't on the list.

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by grover on Oct 15, 2006 9:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kotsay Contract
"Kotsay receives a complete NO-TRADE clause in 2005 and 2006 and a limited NO-TRADE clause in 2007 and 2008 that allows him to specify eight teams to which he could veto a trade to."

Not sure how that works...might be an evolving list of teams?

COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON!

by Colorado Fan on Oct 16, 2006 7:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe
I'd love to know the list.
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by grover on Oct 16, 2006 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duke
I'm with Nico and Phillip Christy regarding Duke's intrinsic performance value to the A's. What's more, I don't think Duke has much trade value, b/c Beane has maximized Duke's perf value while keeping him relatively hidden and Duke doesn't have a traditional high-value reliever's profile. I'd much sooner trade Street than Duke -- and I've been saying that since long before last night.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 15, 2006 7:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better yet: bionic Duke
Alternate riposte: "Platonic Duke"? So you think the lacrosse team was innocent after all?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 10:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#1 on my wish list
Fire Larry Davis and hire a Dale Dye/Billy Blanks-style motivational trainer who (a) will garner the fear and respect of the players and (b) knows a lot about flexibility, yoga, and the perils of weight training. Granted, the A's health issues are not all Larry's fault, and a team trainer doesn't necessarily have to be a physical specimen himself; but the A's can do much, much better in this area (and this may be where we feel the loss of Zito the most).
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 15, 2006 7:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, not to slander people
I don't know, in a field in which I'm no expert, but...

...While we tend to focus on Larry Davis, it seems like a lot of the issue is on the conditioning (avoiding injury) front as much as, or more than, the trainer (treating injury) front.

Clarence Cockrell, I'm looking at you!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 7:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Monkeyball/Nico
I'll be happy if the A's overhaul their medical staff.  Things have obviously not gone well.  Even so, I think the abundant and disparate causes of injuries combined with our (the fans on AN) lack of information and medical knowledge make all of this way too speculative.  And by that I mean even more speculative than trying to predict an individual player's future injuries.

I don't really even think that the answers are out there at this point.  I would guess (I don't know) that the Yankees and the Red Sox have carefully chosen and high paid medical staffs, but they have suffered injuries too.

Working in yoga and accupuncture might work great.  Sticking to "traditional" methods might work.  None of us know, and we are left to piece it together from Davis's media comments and various press releases.

Basically, it irritates me when non-fortuitous things happen and people try to find fault where there is no basis to do so, even if they may be right.

by mikeA on Oct 15, 2006 9:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand, MikeA, and
for the record, I don't hold the A's medical responsible in any way for the maladies we've seen with Kotsay, Duke, or Bradley--and if anything, they deserve kudos for their work with Frank Thomas. Ellis' injuries are clearly a fluke; no blame there.

What concerns me--and I feel I have enough info to judge--is the following:

  • Dan Meyer and Esteban Loaiza, allowed to pitch while throwing 5-10 MPH slow, while the medical staff couldn't figure out what every fan could see--that they were clearly not physically ok. That may have cost one promising career and one half-season.

  • Young, fit guys like Harden and Crosby, whose workout routines seem to, if anything, cause them injury, not prevent it.

  • The entire Chavez saga, from the nay-saying over non-traditional treatments (e.g., acupuncture) to not DLing him when he was hanging together by string and glue around the All-Star Break, did not suggest to me a high degree of competence or common sense.

There have been enough of those mess-ups that I do think the medical staff is PART--not all--of a problem.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What makes you think
that a brand new medical staff would be better than destroying the continuity of a medical staff that, by and large, has kept Oakland healthy over the last six years?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 8:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn you and your fairness and equanimity!
I mean, uh, what Nico said. Plus the stuff about Clarence.

What seems to me to be the problem is that the A's don't have a program per se <looks over shoulder for grover's hitmen> -- they seem to let the players run their own workout regimens, whether they make sense or not.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 11:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Perils of Weight Training
What are the perils of Weight Training?

Any type of training done incorrectly can be detrimental to an athlete. Including Yoga. An athlete does not need to do Yoga to develop flexibility-strength. Gymnasts, whether male or female, possess the greatest flexibility-strength, strength-flexibility of any athletic population. None of them do Yoga.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re
Weightlifting is essential in these days of baseball. To be fair, yoga would be highly useful to some of these players also (the guys with the back injuries.)  Decompresses the spine and strengthens the core.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Crosby and Kotsay are already doing yoga.  I know a couple of the A's definitely are.

by 31Boots on Oct 16, 2006 8:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love weightlifting :)
I have nothing against Yoga, I have taken, and still occasionally take Yoga classes.

However, Yoga isn't the only technique that strengthens the "core". Elite level Olympic lifters and power lifters probably have the strongest "cores" / lower backs among any athletic population. How many of them do Yoga?

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 16, 2006 9:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been condoning trading Street for awhile
Make Duke the closer, bump Calero up to Duke's role. If you can deal Street for a LF with power, do it. It's  a lot easier to find a replacement for Calero's old role than it will be to find an offensive force.
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Oct 15, 2006 7:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Problem i have with that is
that Street dominated as a rookie and suffered a little let-down this year as a sophomore. I say give him one more year at least, AT LEAST, and if he continues to blow upwards of 10 saves and look shaky in the majority of the rest then maybe look to get rid of him. The guy is only 23.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 15, 2006 8:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Street is not only 23, but also
he's not expensive and is 4 years away from free agency. I would think he would be a very appealing guy to keep just for those reasons.

That being said, if we could lock Duke up to a multi-year deal, I would be happy to have him as a closer...Except that having an ace, a CFer, a closer, a SS, and a #3 hitter who NEVER get through a season fully healthy...is a bit of a problem.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 8:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not saying that Street isn't valuable
He obviously is, for the reasons you mentioned plus the fact he's proven he can be at the very least a servicable MLB closer. I just think his value is more easily found than that at another position.  
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Oct 15, 2006 9:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, in that certainly
if the A's had another genuinely good hitter, they wouldn't have nearly as many save situations--no doubt that Duke and Calero would be more than adequate to handle the late innings behind a solid rotation and an offense that could actually score runs consistently.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 15, 2006 9:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Swisher, Street, and Haren
are absolutely untradeable.  

This team relies on young, cheap talent.  The farm system is a mess, and the three players I mentioned are the only proven, high quality players that we can have around for a few years at a low price.

The current team is old enough, and therefore expensive enough as it is, so if we're going to trade anyone, it can't be a cheap productive player like Street.

by mikeA on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading Street is insane.
  • Health: Street is still extremely young, and despite various nagging injuries, has never had a chronic injury nor a serious arm injury.
  • Cost: Street is cost-controlled, so his performance will always outstrip his salary, even if he produces only "average" years.  Even if we don't lock him up and he gets K-Rodesque arbitration awards, he'll still make only ~500K next year and ~4MM in 2008.  2008!
  • Replacement: Replacing Street is difficult with a balky back and trick elbow backing him up in our bullpen and bullpen aces costing a fortune on the open market.
  • Performance: Street has been just as good this year as last year.  FIP in 2005: 2.62  FIP in 2006: 2.61.  Last year's ERA was a fluke and likely his career best; anybody expecting a repeat of 2005 anytime soon will be waiting a long time.  He's still striking out nearly a batter per inning and became even more stingy with the walks this year.  Say what you like about him being too close to the plate, but I'll take an ace reliever who doesn't let situations get out of hand by his inability to find the strike zone any day.
  • Poise: This kid is nails.
  • Trade value: Young relievers don't get you much in a trade, especially ones who don't throw 98 mph. And without elite closer status (say, Billy Wager), I can't imagine getting much for Street.  Remember what the Blue Jays got for Billy Koch?  Justin Miller and Eric Hinske.  That's the kind of haul we're talking about for Huston Street.
I'm not suggesting trading Duke, either, who - as monkeypoo constantly points out - we has much higher actual value for us than he does perceived value.  I think Joe Kennedy and Kiko Calero are the most likely to fetch shiny parts on the trade market, JFK for his ability to start and Kiko for his strikeout numbers.  Neither will bring us anything big.

The larger problem is that we are looking at solutions that Billy just won't go for.  I don't see him subtracting too many major league players in an attempt to steal a 6-win bopper from another team.  Instead, Billy will retool the way he always does, making under the radar moves that pay off down the line.  Despite the acquisitions of Hurt and Bradley, Billy's key moves over the last year were acquiring guys like Brad Halsey, Chad Gaudin, Marco Scutaro, D'Angelo Jimenez, etc.  So don't be surprised - or disappointed - when a guy like Jason Lane or Jason Michaels is our big offseason splash.

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by salb918 on Oct 16, 2006 7:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points, salb, except
the "Street was as good this year as last year" claim. He just wasn't. Last year, his slider fooled everybody, this year they looked for it and laid off. He really did, legitimately, blow 11 saves this year--most were devoid of flukey, "not his fault" developments. Huston will likely come back much stronger next year, because he is good, young, smart, and determined. But while this season was not bad, it was not terrific--which 2005 truly was.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 16, 2006 8:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only wish!
That the A's announce a ground breaking for a new stadium.

by jeffro on Oct 16, 2006 10:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My wish list
  1. Trade Kotsay, Calero, and Powell to Milwuakee for Jenkins and Davis.  Jenkins and Kielty form a LF platoon will likely match this line next year: .310/.373/.517/.890.  Davis replaces Zito in the rotation and keeps a LHP out there every 5th day.  Re-up Davis for 2-3 years if it's economically feasible.
  2. Resign Payton for 2 years and put him in CF.  His offense looks better there, and defense is above average(although a step down from Kots).
  3. Let Jeremy Brown backup Kendall, and get at least 1 start a week.  Give the kid a chance, his bat could very well help us down the stretch next year.
  4. Lock Bradley up for 2-3 years.  Put him in the 2 hole behind Kendall and in front of Kielty/Jenkins.
  5. Strongly consider adding Rich Aurilia to the bench/SS position.  His defense isn't great, but the guy can hit, hit with power, and play every INF spot.  Put him in direct competition with Crosby at SS, and let them battle it out.  Worse case scenario is Croz rides the pine next year.  Best case, the competition brings out the best in him and Aurilia is available for other things.
  6. If Frank won't take the offer of $15 million over two years that's been mentioned here, move on.  I'm not even sure I'd want to pay him that much with the injury concerns.  I'd bring in a guy like David Dellucci, and provided Croz plays well and wins the SS job, platoon him with Aurilia at DH.  With Dellucci able to play the corner OF spots and Aurilia capable of all INF spots, the DH spot can also be used to rotate position players around for rest while keeping thier bat in the lineup.
  7. Move Gaudin and Kennedy into the 6th-7th inning spot that Calero had.  Street, Duke, Kennedy, and Gaudin is a very good back end of the pen, with Saarloos, Windsor, and Halsey rounding out the pen.  Brown, Scoot, Aurilia(ideally), and Kielty are the bench for next season.
This only bumps payroll up $3-5 million even with raises figured in for our young players.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 11:29 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dellucci has been on my wish list for awhile now
He's a sleeper, for sure. I hadn;t thought about Aurilia, but I think that's a great idea if the money's right.

I am hoping Gaudin wins the #5 spot, just so we can allocate our resources to improving the rest of the club.

I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Oct 16, 2006 11:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even better idea than Catalanotto!
Delucci's younger and (hopefully) cheaper.

Aurilia is an intriguing idea, but (a) his greatest success has always been in the NL (hmmm ... fastball-slugging NL middle infielder?) and (b) he's getting to the age where batting skills can evaporate overnight.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Phillies are thinking about keeping him
They traded Abreu with the idea of re-signing Delucci to man RF.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 12:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, back to Cat then ...
... although I should put in the caveat that I don't want Beane getting in a bidding war with anyone for either one of 'em.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 1:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cat
Cat would be a good option in LF with Kielty, but only if Big Frank was around at DH.  If not, I want HR power in both LF and at DH.  I think Aurilia could drop off some for sure, but I think he'd still be pretty effective vs. LHP(.347/.411/.531/.942 this year).
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hold on to Calero
I doubt it would take that package to get Jenkins and Davis. Kotsay and Powell should be enough, maybe toss in a minor league relief pitched like Burton if necessary.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 12:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's all it takes
great.  If not, I'd be willing to move Calero as we have plenty of arms and likely can only afford Duke or Calero in the future.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need Calero to get
a new CF.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 4:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm willing to live with Payton
But I do want to know your master plan here.  Who do we get for Calero?  Once Chavez is gone to SD, who do we get to play 3B?  What about that SS?  Details man, I need details!  
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 6:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There isn't one master plan
Just several smaller plans.

For now.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 6:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So....
Is there a diary to follow soon with some of these small plans?  I really enjoy reading your trade ideas.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 8:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you
I'm doing the research now.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 8:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're welcome
I'm looking forward to reading it.  Someone I forgot about on my list for a platoon role would be Eric Hinske.  .293/.367/.528/.895 vs. RHP this season, can play all four corner spots and DH, and would only cost $2.82 million (Boston and Toronto are splitting his 2007 salary).  He and Kielty would make a decent LF combo for $5-6 million next year, provided that your theory on Swisher's offense suffering at 1B is wrong, which I honestly don't think it is.  Although if Kielty could learn to play a passable 1B, he and Hinske could platoon there with Swish in LF.  I'm rambling, I'll stop now.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen

by gatling on Oct 16, 2006 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should have been us...
We should have been the ones to nab Hafner when he was wallowing in the Texas org, or even Papi when he had stalled in Minnesota.  In amongst our more headline-friendly moves of the offseason I'd like to see us grab up a few guys whose bats are on the radar but won't see much run in their current organizations.  Some suggetions...

Joe Koshansky, Rockies.  A masher without much in the way of defensive chops, he'll be blocked at first by Helton, and even if they find a way to move Helton aside that job would probably become Stewart's long-term since Atkins is doing well at 3B. He could compete with DJ for playing time in the near future and allow Swish to move back to the outfield.  The downside: left handed so not a platoon option (w/Johnson), lots of k's without a ton of walks.

Kevin Kouzmanoff, Indians.  We saw this guy in Sept.  He's not as thouroughly blocked as Koshansky, but Marte probably has third locked down. He'd also work in at 1B where, as a righty, he could possibly platoon with DJ.

Elijah Dukes, Devil Rays.  Everybody knows this guy.  A ton of talent, two tons of baggage.  The plus side is that he's a potential all-star, ready for the big leagues (physically that is), and persona non grata within his own org.  Is he worth the gamble?  I'd be surprised if it took all that much to get this guy seeing as he will not play another game with the rays period.  Could he blossom in Oakland the way Bradley has?  It's possible.

That's just three guys and all of them have major question marks, but they're of the TYPE I'd like to see us go after.  None of these would be the major move of the offseason of course, just picking up some supplemental talent.  And I haven't dug real deep with these guys either, so feel free to add some names to this list.  Go A's!

by vincehorsemansmullett on Oct 16, 2006 11:56 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vernon Wells...
may be available. The Jays supposedly don't want to loose him to free agency nor do they want to pay big $'s. Maybe Beane and Riccardai can work it out. I fear that the Angels will put together a solid trade and sign offer, if they realize how much more valuable Wells is than Soriano.

Duke's trade value might be at its peak. He is not the healthiest guy and I subscribe to the Branch Rickey dictum of trading a player too soon rather than too late.

I see Gaudin having more potential as 5th starter than Windsor. I would give Kennedy a shot at the rotation which now has no lefties. What is Dan Meyer's rehab schedule?

Good bye to Payton who hasn't figured out that he has lost a step. Put Swisher in LF. While waiting for Barton tell Kielty to get a 1st baseman's mitt and roll the dice platooning him with Johnson.

Get a solid fielding SS (like a Ceasar Itszuris) to give Crosby a concern that he has to compete for his job. If Crosby wakes up then you have a solid back-up who can give each of the infielders a day off.

Add a trainer who knows and can evangelize yoga, Feldenkrais and other excellent body work practices.

by NoeValley on Oct 16, 2006 12:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feldenkrais, what an asshole
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 12:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my on-field wish list
  • Catalanotto or Dellucci to platoon with Kielty in LF (and I'm all for letting Kielty keep switch-hitting; I'd just never ever start him against a RHSP)
  • Sheffield to replace Frank and spot-start at the corner OF positions
  • whomever grover thinks we should affordably get to play SS
In the abstract, I'd like to see Kotsay and Kendall traded, but that may be more trouble than it's worth. I'm not 100% opposed to seeing either/both on the A's in '07, but there's significant room for greater perf:$ ratios.

If we get Halsey or Gaudin to learn another out pitch in the offseason, I'll feel better about our #5 competition, but it may not be worth pursuing a FA or trade there. I'd expect Billy to make another couple of low-profile 'pen additions and do a bit of shuffling of roles.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 12:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gee... no pressure!
Do you want a back-uo who would be a better defensive SS than Scutaro, or are you asking for a new starter?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 4:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd have delivered Jeter
if you had spelled my name correctly. But you didn't so now I'm to offended to go on.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 16, 2006 6:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you misspelled "too"
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 17, 2006 12:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See... I'm so distraught
I can't even spell write.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Oct 17, 2006 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

starter
I'm perfectly content with Scutaro as the backup middle IF.

I'd also be fine with a healthy Crosby (bad hitting habits and all); but I'd be perfectly open to any of your various schemes to prise away a better/healthier SS from some other team.

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 16, 2006 4:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nothing to do with players or
coach but lets get stan conte-the giants trainer and get rid of larry davis

by smasfan on Oct 16, 2006 8:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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