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OF, 1B, and DH, Oh My!

Things change when you fancy yourself a contender, definitely for the division and possibly for the World Series. Suddenly, player development takes a back seat and "what helps us now" takes center stage. ("Hey Nico, are we in a car or at the theatre? Pick a metaphor and go with it, dude.") With an addition like Frank Thomas, Craig Wilson, Aubrey Huff, or <insert unfounded rumor here>, questions abound as to where that would leave Nick Swisher, Dan Johnson, Jay Payton, and everyone else caught in the domino effect. It is a nice problem to have; "nice problems to have," however, are still problems.

Problem: At this stage of his career, I don't want Swisher becoming a platoon player--not when he has demonstrated the ability to hit LHP in the minor leagues (and the second half of 2005). At this stage of his career, I don't want Johnson becoming a full-time DH--not when he has shown himself to be at least average in the field. I don't want to see him becoming a strict platoon player either--not when he more than held his own against LHP in his rookie season.

Problem: Another roster addition might squeeze Kielty right out of the picture, but if not Kielty's at bats need (please!) to come against LHP. But at whose expense? If not Swisher or Johnson, for reasons just outlined, also not Bradley based on his career splits, nor Kotsay (who hits better against LHP), nor any DH we are likely to add.

Problem: Other than the occasional days off guys like Kotsay and Bradley will need, there is no logical player to sit down against RHP, either. Certainly not Swisher and Johnson, nor Kotsay, Bradley, or any DH we add--because we are unlikely to pay key players and then sit them 75%-80% of the time, or any significant portion thereof.

It is looking grim. Until you realize...

Solution: What that leaves, possibly, is a "6 guys for 5 spots, let's just kind of rotate them equally" plan, which, while great for keeping everyone fresh, is kind of like going with a 6-man starting rotation and hoping your best 6 can match the quality of other teams' best 5. This rarely happens. But it could happen in Oakland with these five positions (OF, OF, OF, 1B, DH). Might the A's best 6 at these positions, following one more addition, wind up being as good as other teams' best 5 at these positions? If so, it is sheer brilliance on the A's part, to build in such depth that they can rest everyone throughout the season and still maintain division-winning quality on the field. Is that where Billy Beane is headed? It could be the ultimate checkmate.

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I'd go with this lineup
vs RHP
  1. .285/.348/.419/.767 - 2B Ellis
  2. .275/.373/.443/.816 - RF Bradley
  3. .282/.366/.524/.890 - 3B Chavez
  4. .272/.339/.467/.806 - DH Johnson
  5. .248/.326/.490/.816 - 1B Swisher
  6. .283/.341/.425/.766 - CF Kotsay
  7. .260/.325/.416/.741 - SS Crosby
  8. .276/.323/.439/.762 - LF Payton
  9. .307/.382/.380/.762 - C1 Kendall
vs LHP
  1. .301/.360/.420/.780 - CF Kotsay
  2. .326/.394/.513/.907 - RF Bradley
  3. .314/.391/.549/.940 - SS Crosby
  4. .283/.395/.404/.799 - 1B Johnson
  5. .263/.337/.434/.771 - 3B Chavez
  6. .296/.388/.504/.892 - DH Kielty
  7. .284/.351/.466/.817 - LF Payton
  8. .275/.385/.373/.758 - 2B Perez
  9. .299/.377/.360/.737 - C1 Kendall
Knowledge is Power, Ignorance is Bliss. But I have Blissful Power, because I have a lot of knowledge, I just forgot it all

by Zonis on Jan 7, 2006 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

And if we add
a hitter to the mix, Zonis? (Be it F. Thomas, or another likeness.) That's what makes it complicated...but maybe in a good way.

by Nico on Jan 7, 2006 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Crosby
I don't think Croz he'll start lower than 5th in the batting order.  If he's batting 7th in the lineup, it will because he's in a massive slump.  Otherwise, he's a lock for the 3-Hole, 4-Hole, or 5-Hole (Unless a DH is picked up).

I really hope Kendall is our #9 Hitter - Does Macha have the sack to do it?

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Jan 7, 2006 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

hey dude
how do you change the color of your quote??? do you just insert HTML tags?
Sometimes you tell the day, by the bottle that you drink, sometimes when your in love, all you do is think.... Death to the Angels!!!

by Shippee33 on Jan 8, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Ellis
What does the guy got to do to earn some respect?

by Larry E on Jan 8, 2006 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently, better than
a .313 AVG, a .403 OBP, and a .912 OPS against lefties.

by Nico on Jan 8, 2006 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What does Kendall have to do to bat 9th?
Obviously Macha wanted Kendall at the top of the order last year.  Will that change this year?

IMO, it will not.  Who would bat 2nd if not Kendall?  Ellis-Johnson/Bradley makes the most sense to me, but I doubt it will happen.  I remember reading that Macha felt Kendall fit well batting 2nd because of his bat control (a topic I'm quite interested in but don't know how to analyze sabermetrically).

Macha seems to favor his veterans.  Kotsay would likely bat 2nd over Johnson/Bradley, which is a shame since he's not a high OBP guy, and he is better fit for driving runs in lower in the order.

I fully expect an Ellis-Kendall/Kotsay, 1-2.  Even the reverse, Kendall/Ellis makes a lot more sense for DP reasons.  But, until I see that, or some other statistically reasonable top of the order, or Kendall batting 9th, the Ellis leadoff announcement doesn't give me any more hope for an optimized lineup.

To date, Macha still (draws liquid into the mouth by movements of the tongue and lips).

"I'm so green and gold that I hang on every pitch, not just every game." - Lew Wolff

by BleacherDrummer on Jan 8, 2006 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Being deep helps with injuries
I'll take it.  I empathize strongly with those who inevitably have to sit, though.

The depth will come in very good stead when someone goes down.  It's rare that none of them won't through the course of a season.

by paradox on Jan 7, 2006 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

So true
Jack Handey has never been on the DL in his entire career.
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2006 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

There's little issue unless..
The Hurt arrives.

I can remember the great oriole teams of 1969-71-- 3 straight pennants; 1 WS.

It was pre-Dh-- they had an OF of Blair, Frank Robinson, baylor and Merv Rettenmund. FRobby was somewhatinjury prone by then, and they basically used a 4 man rotation and it worked great.

So Nico, you're onto something.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 7, 2006 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, we do
You're on a pony, aren't you?

(And, yes, that's better than being on horse.)

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2006 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Being the bench guy
I tend to agree that the 6th man--Jay Payton in the analysis of oaktoon and others--will end up getting a good 100+ starts.   Between Kotsay's balky back, the yet-unsigned soap bubble feet of Frank Thomas, and Bradley's assorted wounds (both outer and inner), there are a lot of PAs that'll likely need filling.

But here's the rub:  it's one thing for Beane or Macha or even us to "know" this is true, and quite another to make Payton accept that it's true.  To him, in this scenario, the message out of spring training is "you're not the starter."  Yes, he's in an atmosphere which promotes team, and yes, he's likely to believe his role is more vital than being the 23rd guy on Boston's bench.  But none of that means Payton can flourish when not knowing when he'll start, and in what position, lineup slot, etc.  A lot of guys can't deal with that.  And I shudder to imagine the inflammatory effects of Macha's bench management "skills" on such a situation.  It seems a stretch to expect even career average Payton numbers out of such uncertainty.

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2006 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

For that reason, "Seat,"
a "rotation" may be a better spin for the A's to put on it than a "starting 5 and a key 6th man". If everyone understands that Swisher, Johnson, Kotsay, Bradley, Payton, and whomever will be getting 20-25 days off, and so everyone will be starting quite a bit, it might play better psychologically for all involved.

by Nico on Jan 7, 2006 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You can call me Upgrade
As in, Frank Thomas sure will be an upgrade over last year's DH production, if he can keep his feet.

But your 6 into 5 platoon theory is not the same as having depth on hand for injury purposes, except in the rust prevention sense.  Giving each member of the sextet a day off every sixth day is like planning in advance when the extra 100 starts fall...but that's not the way the back/foot/shoulder/psyche replacement needs will fall.  More important, the 6-to-5 plan (a sexplatoon?) is a hypothesis well removed from the more simple sense of place which defines pro clubhouses.  Jay Payton ain't thinking he and five other guys are each 83.33% of a starter, and I am unconvinced that the simply cerebral Chauncey Manager can sell the concept.

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2006 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Huff fills the bill and more
in many cases he would be an offensive upgrade to the starter. Albeit defensively it is wise to spot start him in the various positions.

Simplified:

  • A's Pass on Frank and obtain Huff.
  • Huff's position starts would be spread over LF, RF, 3B, 1B and DH.
  • 30% - 40% of his at bats as DH/PH
  • DJ stays at 1B continuing his development
  • Swisher moves to LF continuing his development and allowing the better arms & defenders; Kotsay & MB; to start at CF & RF.
  • Kielty and Huff back up and platoon in the OF allowing Macha to sit MB, Kotsay, and Swisher when wise.
Where is JayPay? ...Traded for Huff of course.
DRays don't need JayPay? ...No prob, BoSox do.
What do BoSox have to do with this?

BoSox have what it takes to get Huff and would do it to obtain JayPay.

The A's obtain Huff without trading a  single prospect and clear $4 million of his $6.75 salary in the process.

It isn't that much of a stretch to add other player(s) to this trade and end up with a Red Sox prospect and "floater" Aubrey Huff with salary a wash. (Middle reliever?)

CF = Kotsay/MB
RF = MB/Swisher/Huff
LF = Swisher/Kielty/Huff
3B = Chavez/Huff/Perez
1B = DJ/Swisher/Huff
DH = Huff/DJ/Kielty/Chavez(shoulder)

World Series depth here.
The goal to make defensive substitutions without a loss of offense is realized with the likely exception of Perez.

Swisher in LF over JayPay is more than acceptable with the Kielty/Huff platoon and preferrable when considering Huff's everyday contributions to the offense and roster flexibility.

 

"A's are just a Huff away"

by A s Eh on Jan 8, 2006 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm
Just for fun -- never in a million years but eh

Bos Sends:
3b Andy Marte (TAM)
P David Wells (LAD)
Medium Prospect (OAK)

Tampa Sends:
SS Julio Lugo (BOS)
UTIL Aubrey Huff (OAK)

Oakland sends:
CF Jay Payton (BOS)
Prospect (1b Brant Colamarino? Young Catcher?) (TAM)
P Kirk Saarloos (BOS)

Dodgers Send:
COF player (BOS)
Good Prospect (OAK)

Never in a million years, but it satisfies each teams' wants...

by Alon on Jan 8, 2006 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I get lost on other teams needs and values
they place on thier players

So I'm like "Why Not?" since I wouldn't know any better if Marte is the best BoSox have or #9 on their talent list.

By the same logic I wouldn't know the value the DRays place on Marte and for all I know they purposely passed on drafting him because of some flaw that materializes at one stadium and not thje others, or one team philosophy but not the others.

I try to keep up with A's players and those players I think push our team to the next level by eliminating roster weaknesses. So basically I'm looking at a players defensive, offensive, and character histories.

I look at the names above and can't disagree because value must leave to get any in return. The one I'd stutter on is Saarloos.

No other starter pitches like Saarloos. I would think bringing in a Saarloos when Harden, Zito, Haren, or Loaiza retire has to throw the hitters off somewhat and should do well in middle relief because of that. I think that Calero, Cruz, Witasik, or Kennedy following or preceding Saarloos has to be good for similar reasons. I think these guys used correctly can setup the closer nicely with different styles preceding his 9th inning entry.

Contributing reasons on Saarloos;

  • his very reasonable salary
  • salary control for 4 MORE YEARS
  • ability to start 20+ games
  • late inning groundball pitching in Boston, Texas, etc is very valuable.
  • Warrior/Battler personality
"A's are just a Huff away"

by A s Eh on Jan 8, 2006 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Saarloos
His talent is why he has to be included...

Marte is viewed as a top 5 prospect in MLB by both the BoSox and Tampa, and Tampa has been trying to pry him from the Sox in exchange for Julio Lugo for some time now

by Alon on Jan 9, 2006 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd say your 2 prospects coming back to the A's
is costing us Saarloos and his 0-60 pitches are much stingier than his innings as a starter making the A's middle relief NASTY

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6946&type=pitching3&three=1

JayPay to Boston can bring us Huff without the prospects.

"A's are just a Huff away"

by A s Eh on Jan 10, 2006 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than calling it a rotation
I would call Bradley, Payton, Kotsay, Swisher and Johnson the starters and tell Kielty he starts against all lefties, and tell Thomas he starts twice a week till his ankles heal.  It sounds from Slusser's article that Frank knows pretty well that he's not going to be abke to play 6x per week at the beginning of the season.  If everyone is super healthy in August we'll worry about that then.

Rather than thinking of Frank as stunting the development of Swisher and Johnson let's think of him as a massive upgrade on LH Kielty, Watson and Charles Thomas who combined for a total of 328 ABs in 2005.  I'll be thrilled if he's healthy enough to get that many ABs this year.

As far as Kielty is concerned, I see him getting 50 starts against lefties, maybe 14 each from Kotsay and Bradley and 11 each from Swisher and Johnson, just because the latter two are likely to be more durable.

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 7, 2006 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That's an interesting thought,
to sign Thomas as a "twice/week replacement for Kielty's lefty ABs, Watson's ABs, and Charles T's ABs of 2005". If Frank T. is willing to sign a cheap enough contract for the A's to afford that, I'd have to agree that this compromise would be a "best of all worlds" scenario--in that it's one actually consistent with reality.

by Nico on Jan 7, 2006 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Won't help Frank with incentives, though
All the rumors have Thomas signing an incentive-laden deal, sensible given his DL proclivity.  But if he's healthy yet still not getting the ABs by A's design, he may not be the happiest camper.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2006 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as he's happy enough
to pitch his proverbial tent in the A's clubhouse, that's a win-win-WIN situation.

I can't imagine his projected playing time won't be discussed during contract negotiations. He (or whomever) should have a very good idea of what BB and the A's will be expecting of them in 2006 before the season starts.

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Jan 7, 2006 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't quite understand...
 Why Swisher has earned so much respect from you all. He did a good job but the worshipful way he is spoken of here on AN surprises me. He has potential I give him that. But he wasn't dependable as a hitter last year. Near the end he was in sync but that was late in the season. His play in the field was not as good as Payton. His play at first was good but nothing special in my view.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 7, 2006 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

I totally agree--
Swish is the youngun I'm least sold on so far. My point is that he's too young to settle into a strict platoon role--the only way he will improve his weaknesses is by playing. However, it could be argued that there are few enough starts against LHP that being the "vs. RHP" side of a platoon is still tantamount to "playing every day," give or take a dead rat.

But coming into 2006, Swish's presence is, IMO, one of the least proven aspects of the "everyday lineup".

by Nico on Jan 7, 2006 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

As I recall...
Swish did have some stretches where he looked almost clueless at the plate, but just when I was ready to give up on him, he'd jack a couple out or do something to renew my hope.

Crosby, otoh, I know frustrated both you and I with insistence on overswinging in crucial situations where only a single was needed. Until he learns to relax and hit the ball where it's pitched, I'm still somewhat uneasy about whether he'll show improvement this year.

"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Jan 7, 2006 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sophomore Slump
..could definitely apply to these two.  I think it hasn't been stressed enough that although Swish and Croz have the most upside, they also are the least consistent, thus far.

I'm much more confident that Blanton and Johnson and Street  (oh my!) will repeat or improve on their 05 numbers.

"I'm so green and gold that I hang on every pitch, not just every game." - Lew Wolff

by BleacherDrummer on Jan 8, 2006 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Swisher is slightly worse than Johnson
at this point in his career, but he's still a solid all round player that's likely to improve.  A 100 OPS+ from a $300K player is quite valuable, particularly when that can improve dramatically -- particularly if he can find the stroke vs lefties that he had in the minors.  Further his 1B defense is also a good bet to improve a lot if he plays there more.

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 7, 2006 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

And in a lineup
most lacking in power, he represents one of the bigger power threats on the current team--possibly even more than Johnson (very hard to tell where his power numbers are headed). But Swish has to see the sunny side of .250 before he's worth adulation over more than his "potential".

by Nico on Jan 7, 2006 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno about worship, but
 - he had the 3rd highest OPS on the team against RH pitching
 - Wash says he'll be above average at 1b
 - he's a favorite of Billy's

The last point isn't a kool-aid thing, it just means that we know he'll be getting his starts so we may as well factor that in. Like Nico though I'd like him to be given the chance to prove that he can hit LH pitching too, especially at this early stage in his career.

by green star oakland on Jan 7, 2006 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Swisher gearing up for big season...
I heard a radio show interview with Swish a few weeks back where he was talking about his move to 1st base and one of the biggest positive things he mentioned was that he was going to start bulking up with muscle to add more power to his stroke.

Now, throughout his career, Swish has never been a high batting average hitter, but he has posted good OBPs and great power numbers. He hit 20+ homers last year, even after being injured and looking clueless at the plate, and I think he is in for a solid year, where he gets back some plate discipline, fights lefties a little better, and with added, muscle really becomes the power hitter (25-30 jacks) that the Moneyball crew expects of him.

Now, if that happens, it would be great for the team, because that means we are getting a legit power threat from 1st base, traditional power position, which we have not gotten (Hatteberg) in several years. That takes pressure of off Payton in the outfield and DJ at DH. EVeryone wins.  

by Taj Adib on Jan 8, 2006 2:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope "bulking up" doesn't make him
more injury prone or a worse outfielder.  I'd think he'd still have to play OF on occasion.

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 8, 2006 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Swish
posted an .800+ OPS last year and good enough #'s to warrant ROY consideration...

Good 'nuff for me

by Alon on Jan 8, 2006 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

where do you get that?
Baseball Cube says .768.
C'mon Billy, make it Hurt so good.

by As Man on Jan 8, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

.768 is correct:
.236/.322/.446 for a .768 OPS. The guy walked a lot, yet still had a below average OBP thanks to the putrid batting average. :-(

by Nico on Jan 8, 2006 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

His production vs RHPs
339abs, 44 xbhs, 26 dbls, 18 HR, .490 slg, Swisher
409abs, 45 xbhs, 24 dbls, 21 HR, .489 slg. Chavez

In 2005 there isn't much difference.

That leaves you wondering how their offensive futures will compare.

Swisher is playing out of position, and according to Washington would provide Gold Glove defense at 1B.

In the coming years will Chavez's shoulder slide the A's power and GG's to the other infield corner?

"A's are just a Huff away"

by A s Eh on Jan 8, 2006 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I do agree with Nico's point.
Someone as young as Swish can only get better if they play. and to have a guy who can play a couple of positions well is such a terrific boon to the A's. I am glad that they have him but he has a lot to prove as a hitter. As for Johnson I was hoping he was answered prayer and then he just went COLD. I had dreams of Jason Giambi the second for him but I think the announcers were right when they said pitchers had figured him out. Now he needs to show he can be an effective DH. I am excited to see how he does as a DH though.  I can hardly wait for baseball season...

Oh and if anyone wants to worship a rookie...worship Street. Now that one deserves it !

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 7, 2006 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

Too many starters
The only major problem -- as you pointed out -- is having too many starters and too little positions.  From my playing experience (up to High School, hey it's still baseball), playing more than one position on different days of the week is pretty tough.  A lot of players need to find a rhythm (as preached by all my coaches) and you don't develop any as the season goes on.  Yes, there are utility players who do play pretty well, but for the most part they are the backup to many positions and not "the starting utility player" (Chone Figgins may be sort of an exception, but he starts at one position for a lengthy period of time).  Although I'm not totally convinced by Swisher either, he is probably going to be most affected by the platoon.  Considering he is going to be playing 1B, OF (and possibly DH?) and a switch hitter -- there might not be any consistency in his game at all.  
People are going to have rest, but the inconsistences in the offense last season may continue into this one too.  There is no way you can have a rotation in the field -- someone is going to sit for a while and probably should take some tips from Scutaro (whom I respect for coming off the bench ice cold and still performing up to par) while there.

By the way, sorry if it's hard to understand -- my mind goes all over the place when I think about the A's.  

by rightbackin on Jan 7, 2006 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

162 games and 600 at bats is too much
for all but a few major leaguers.
"A's are just a Huff away"

by A s Eh on Jan 8, 2006 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Thomas
So much AN "approval" of aquiring him relies on how much he will cost.

I mean JT Snow is getting 2 million for a 1 yr contract.  Hes not gonna even play everyday and he has no stick.  2 million for a defensive replacement?

After seeing that, I think Thomas is going to command at least 4 million.  What do you guys think?

 

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Jan 7, 2006 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

For $4MM guaranteed I rather have
Craig Wilson and give up Saarloos/Kennedy.  But for $2MM guaranteed plus incentives that build up to say $7.5MM with 400 regular season PAs and 20 post season PAs I'd rather have Thomas.  That's $12,500/PA in the regular season and $25,000/PA in the post season.  I don't think I'd want him trying to get more PAs than that.

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 7, 2006 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

GM fear of losing face
I wonder if your average GM wouldn't rather overpay for someone like Snow who is likely to stay healthy though underproductive, than to risk a contract which seems to offer better value but could yield zero due to injuries.  You know, sitting around the Palm Springs pool in January, trading insults.  "You paid $7 mill for Steve Finley's .700 OPS!"  "Yeah, well you paid $8 mill to have Kevin Brown spend the season at the Mayo clinic!"
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2006 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The real value here is talented players
COMPETING for playing time.  Because of competition, players will work harder from the start to be better at any and all facets of the game.  They know that they have a ML proven guy right behind them who can do their job if they can't.  It is put up or shut up time for many players, including the second year players like DJ and Swish.  Everyone (not just Payton) wants to start, and that will require that players bring their "A" game and that they don't stray from it for too long.  If you suck, you will ride the splintering pine.  Sorry, but gone are the days of Billy McMillon and Frank Menochino as the primary threats.

I do think everyone will get ample opportunities to prove themselves, and that a rotation probably will happen, but when the Angels come to town for a 3 game trip, we all know the best will be starting.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Jan 8, 2006 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

Well, either the best
or the ones Macha started with and is waiting 3 months before considering a change. Hopefully, those days are gone, too.

by Nico on Jan 8, 2006 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

That's the big concern to me
If this really does represent a new mode of operation for the A's, do we have the ability to manage it. The evidence so far is not encouraging.

by green star oakland on Jan 8, 2006 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Macha
That's my biggest concern with this type of plan.  Can Macha manage this type of position player rotation?

I agree that Beane definately has a plan to help get more rest for our regulars by adding depth.  

Do you think the added depth is Beane's reaction to MLB's inclusion of amphetamines in it's new drug policy?  

Go A's!!!!

by Lodgeman on Jan 8, 2006 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of changes
I hope the hell that Kendall goes to ninth spot batting for crying out loud....and keeps his weak ass bat there until he proves otherwise.
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005.

by ak_A on Jan 8, 2006 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

On the plus side,
Macha announced publicly that Ellis would lead off. Maybe Kendall bats second, but if not he probably bats 9th. This would, IMO, represent a big improvement in Macha's thinking about a lineup. We'll see.

by Nico on Jan 8, 2006 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder
If macha reads An?? he should have batted Ellis leadoff and Kendall 9th last season
Sometimes you tell the day, by the bottle that you drink, sometimes when your in love, all you do is think...

by Shippee33 on Jan 8, 2006 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

An interesting point from Keith Hernandez
He suggests that a left-handed #2 hitter offers a couple of edges when the #1 hitter gets on:

(i) obscuring the catcher's view of the runner's lead off 1st & any attempted steal

(ii) taking better advantage of the hole in the right side of the infield with the 1st baseman holding the runner

by green star oakland on Jan 8, 2006 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

I especially agree with
his second point, along with a third one: easier time advancing a runner who is at second with nobody out. It's much easier for a lefty to pull an outside pitch on the ground than it is for a righty to hit an inside pitch on the ground to the right side. I think our best lineup starts either Ellis/Kotsay (my choice) or Ellis/Bradley, with Kendall actually being an above average hitter as a #9--instead of a weak rally-killer (as well as rally-starter) in the #1 or #2 hole.

by Nico on Jan 8, 2006 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Frank Thomas Update
This from CBS Sportsline:

"Former White Sox slugger Frank Thomas is no longer on the radar screens of the Angels and Twins, but will likely be signed in February by the Oakland A's if tests show his surgically repaired ankle can stand up to another season, says the Chicago Sun-Times."

by richwol on Jan 8, 2006 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

I would...
so support Ellis being lead-off and Kendall 9th. Ellis really got his bat going last year and he became very consistent. I get tired of biting my nails.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 8, 2006 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

If the A's sign Thomas
Payton or Kielty will be traded.  Swisher doesn't hit enough to play first and Payton doesn't get on base enough to play left and adding Thomas and trading Payton makes a lot of sense.  Considering he's a good outfielder Swisher in the OF is a must and trading an extra outfielder would make room for him.

by Nick86 on Jan 8, 2006 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

A's Tix
Anyone know when single game tix go on sale---are they on sale already?

by Tanner on Jan 8, 2006 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

Jan. 28 at Fan Fest.
"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on Jan 9, 2006 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder what King would say right about now...
He most likely would be pondering the shape of a womans behind, in a bar stool next to him, in Marin, not Oakland. He would be thinking to himself "self, is that behind as beautiful as a Russian ballerina's?". Hmmmm, I think Bill and I would think the same things during the off season. It's too bad he never skied Squaw, cause most likely, he'd take a pass on a on womans behind, or a Russian ballerina, and maybe the his beloved A's, for just a few months in the mountains on the chair lift!

by baseballbill on Jan 8, 2006 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Don't forget Chavez will be at DH
sometimes because of his shoulder. That means sometimes it'll be 6 players for 5 spots, sometimes 7 players. I tried to figure out how that rotation would work if Chavez DH'd once a week with everyone else rotating, but it just made my head hurt.

I agree with those above who say there's probably plenty of PT to be had, the question is managing the egos, and getting people into a good rhythm.

by Hegenberger Road on Jan 9, 2006 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

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